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02:12:31 Devastator: The cat doesn't cry.
02:19:50 Devastator: Awful Hospital also updated.
02:19:56 ER: "Assuming that the universe is actively out to fuck you over might be overestimating how much the universe actually cares about you."
04:17:38 Devastator: that visual catalogue is neat.
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05:06:11 ER: well, it's stopped being monday
05:06:30 ER:
syv needs to update PS before he goes to sleep, then~
05:11:32 Devastator: and I need to meet your character.
05:21:17 Devastator: Well, it would depend if the central column is tall enough so the weight of the mercury can overcome the barometric pressure..
05:21:40 Devastator: Which is about 32 inches, IIRC, so it shouldn't be any different.
05:22:24 ER: "what would happen if I filled it with mercury" is a classic scientist thought.
05:24:15 Devastator: What if we tried more power?
05:24:34 ER: what if we attached more boosters
05:34:02 Devastator: If it breaks apart, add more struts.
05:34:11 Devastator: If it doesn't break apart, clearly you can add more boosters.
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05:38:10 Devastator: What's going on in Dig?
05:38:15 Devastator: I'm not really following it.
05:40:33 Devastator: Is Mook to update tomorrow, you think? I haven't posted any orders.
05:59:17 Devastator: Just wondering if you're still fighting god-beasts or whatever.
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06:13:54 Devastator: I think it'll be another day for Mook anyway, I'll think about orders tomorrow.
06:22:13 ER: probably only like three PS turns until I get to exist
06:23:52 Devastator: Assuming witch is dead. ;-p
06:24:13 ER: I'm assuming that you all die this turn~
06:24:14 syv: Also, Sophia already exists. Her actions have already had consequences.
06:24:26 Devastator: Also, gotta talk IC with RGU, but I'm assuming we can just do that.
06:24:32 syv: If she hadn't killed Isabella, Isabella would've been in the main game.
06:24:48 Devastator: Well, we have a bigger big bad, so...
06:25:33 Devastator: Weren't you saying something about someone else we really shouldn't want to meet?
06:26:14 syv: I have so many fucking antagonists I don't have any clue which ones I've hinted at.
06:26:34 Devastator: Which, annoyingly, was also the name of my backup charater.
06:26:43 syv: It's a kinda obvious name.
06:27:10 Devastator: Wasn't sure yet. Could be a love, could be a pure, could be an Innocent.
06:27:27 syv: An innocent, named after victory? Hahahaha
06:29:12 Devastator: well, could call her Alex instead.
06:29:59 syv: Alex has always sounded very masculine to me. It strikes me as an extremely knightly name.
06:30:18 syv: Nah, Alexa. 'Specially if she's a love.
06:30:23 Devastator: Could go with Sandy then.
06:30:30 ER: ...just makes me think of the HL2 alex
06:30:38 Devastator: I mean, Alexander et all.
06:30:40 syv: You don't want to use Sandy.
06:33:19 Devastator: other than that my current character is the blond.
06:33:36 ER: still not as good as Elizabeth.
06:34:31 Devastator: I had a dog named rocky.
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06:38:42 Devastator: Hmm? It was a male dog that was neutered.
06:38:53 Devastator: Didn't prevent it from being both a good dog and boy.
06:38:55 syv: You referred to him as an it.
06:39:08 Devastator: ..I usually refer to pets as its. They're animals.
06:39:09 Elastic_Ridicule: gender as we understand it is kinda a human thing anyways~
06:39:32 Elastic_Ridicule: humans are also animals
06:39:50 Elastic_Ridicule: probably my favorite physical objects are humans <3
06:39:59 syv: It's just funny because you sometimes rant about people using genderless pronouns for humans.
06:40:53 Devastator: I don't see it as being genderless if it's one people sometimes pick for themselves.
06:41:08 Devastator: so.. there are no genderless pronounds for humans.
06:41:25 syv: Ahh. The insanity defense.
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06:41:53 Devastator: I don't know, I could totally see it as saying, "Oh, you must be like X"
06:42:48 Devastator: It's not the end of the world in any case, just something that I find annoying. There are plenty of things like that, really..
06:43:37 Devastator: I'm also not sure why it's insane when the counterargument is basically, "Well, I wish you would do X instead, because I like it that way better."
06:44:00 syv: It's insane to say there's no genderless pronouns to refer to humans.
06:44:41 syv: There's plenty of genderless languages, with plenty of pronouns, and even English has genderless pronouns used to refer to people, you know.
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06:45:33 Devastator: That's what I don't get. Why are the only genders considered 'masculine' or 'feminine', while at the same time saying there's as many as people want to exist?
06:46:01 Devastator: Doesn't make sense to have it both ways. If there are dozens or hundreds, then they aren't neuter.
06:46:58 syv: To my understanding there's essentially only three genders--masculine, feminine, and kind've neuter--but there's a mismash of categories that result from intersection of sex and gender, sometimes redundantly referred to as gender.
06:47:44 Devastator: To my understanding it's an individual thing, and some people have broader or narrower views as to what constitutes a category.
06:48:10 syv: That is true for basically everything you can refer to as a category.
06:49:09 Devastator: Also, a lot of it seems to be people defining themselves as what they are not.
06:50:13 Devastator: I don't know. All seems triablistic to me.
06:50:28 syv: Mental gender is debatably actually a thing, but even if we decide that it isn't, then there's just people wanting to be something that they're not. Is that so wrong?
06:50:59 Devastator: It's one thing to want to be something you're not, it's another thing to be absolutely certain that X is the cause of your problems.
06:51:29 Devastator: I mean, sure that can lead to positive development, but it can also go the other way, where it gives you an excuse to do nothing.
06:52:20 syv: It's a problem if you then start to act like a jackass because of it, but requesting people refer to you as the other gender, or a dog, or hell, as a table, just seems trivial to me. It's not exactly being a jackass.
06:52:55 syv: And yeah, it's a coping mechanism, which many many humans fall to... but coping mechanisms still aren't inherently bad.
06:53:13 syv: Like most things, it can be good or bad depending on context.
06:53:14 Devastator: I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying I disagree with some interpretations of it.
06:53:35 Devastator: And well, it does seem awfully tribalistic.
06:53:57 Devastator: I mean, look at Trump to see why I don't like tribalism.
06:54:00 ER: "there are views that I disagree with." wow.
06:54:06 syv: Eh. Do you like Bay12 as a community? Do you like the Allegiance community? Both are tribes.
06:54:59 Devastator: I beseech you to find an example of the Allegiance community having an effect on the outside world.
06:55:15 syv: Tribalism isn't inherently bad. It's bad if used to justify aggression and hatred, but it isn't necessary for such things, and doesn't necessarily create such things.
06:55:52 syv: Lack of anything doesn't imply superiority to slightly negative things, no?
06:55:53 Devastator: Same.. but right now it really is seeming very worrying.
06:56:07 syv: Better to feel sad than to feel nothing, as I've heard.
06:56:13 Devastator: We do have people conducting mass murders.
06:56:51 syv: First thought there is Pulse, since Pulse is really damn close to me, and also was against LGBT people...
06:57:37 Devastator: You will notice that I mentioned mass murders as being a negative affect, while the most I've mentioned from the other side was 'annoyance.'
06:57:41 Devastator: They aren't the same thing.
06:58:09 Devastator: And why, although I call it tribalistic, I'm comparing it directly to right-wing movements.
06:58:19 ER: the only thing that I can bring myself to be annoyed by is "affect"
06:58:22 Devastator: I may see similarities, but they aren't the same.
06:58:30 Devastator: Oh god, don't mention 'loose'
06:58:34 ER: I might be a bit too tired for thinking
06:58:47 Devastator: and yes, I messed that up.
06:59:14 Devastator: People not knowing what 'reins' are is also very annoying.
06:59:23 syv: People don't know what reins are?
06:59:35 Devastator: When's the last time you've seen someone other than me use that word?
06:59:41 Devastator: and not say 'reigns'
07:00:02 syv: Uhh. I can't actually recall you using the word, and I live with horses that are rideable, so...
07:00:12 ER: there's a game called reigns which is a pun
07:00:23 syv: I suppose that's fair, I virtually never see the word in text.
07:00:43 ER: yeah, I don't remember
Dev ever using that word
07:01:20 Devastator: Dunno, it doesn't come up that often.
07:01:28 Devastator: and the games I'm running you guys are all birds.
07:01:32 Devastator: and birds don't use them, as a matter of course.
07:01:56 Devastator: I suppose flightless birds might have a reason to use them.
07:02:04 Devastator: Final Fantasy Kiwi.
07:02:13 Devastator: The mounts are humans.
07:02:45 ER: Birds aren't going to be as strong at carrying things as humans, having pack animals for heavy cargo will be MORE important for them.
07:03:05 Devastator: Yeah, but they can't move as fast, so they give up more that way.
07:03:58 syv: Humans would suck as mounts. They pretty much need special harnesses to comfortably carry even small animals without use of their arms, and such harnesses... are nontrivial to engineer well.
07:04:18 Devastator: Hmm, could a kiwi bird just stand on the shoulder?
07:04:31 ER: if you want to like, build something or dig a hole it'll be really damn hard without a beast of burden
07:04:33 syv: Maybe backpacks would work okay. Unsure, and that sounds unpleasant for the birds.
07:05:13 Devastator: Yeah, digging holes is absolutely going to be a challenge.
07:05:15 syv: How big are kiwis? Only smallish cats can comfortably ride on a human's shoulder long distance.
07:05:17 Devastator: building.. not as much.
07:05:20 Devastator: kiwis are pretty small.
07:06:44 Devastator: Looks like several different species.
07:07:23 syv: They look a little large for long-term shoulder riding. A lot of that is probably fluffy feathers though.
07:07:50 Devastator: Maybe the 'seat' is a hat.
07:08:07 Devastator: so the human wears a backpack and a hat, and the kiwi rides on the hat.
07:08:51 syv: Would the humans also be kiwis?
07:09:01 syv: I found a picture of a kiwi holding a kiwi.
07:09:36 Devastator: nah, if you want a bird clearly it would be an emu.
07:10:36 syv: A bit further down the page, they show the Royal New Zealand Air Force's roundel, which is a red kiwi inside a blue circle.
07:10:54 syv: Of all the birds to represent an air force, that is one of the worst choices.
07:12:41 Devastator: Does look a little large for long-term riding.
07:12:45 Devastator: Maybe the kiwis would ride dogs.
07:12:49 Devastator: Those are about the right size.
07:13:21 syv: Dogs are a pretty decent choice. Body design isn't so good for running, but they've got good endurance and are quite trainable.
07:13:26 Devastator: and should be more reasonable.
07:13:39 syv: Is there any reason *not* to use horses, really?
07:13:54 Devastator: They get frightened easily.
07:14:01 ER: the symbol of the antarctic air force is a penguin. You may laugh, but they're actually a terrifying submarine force.
07:14:26 Devastator: Also, it would be a genuine challenge to keep them if you can't build good fences.
07:14:42 Devastator: Unless you're nomads, which limits the population.
07:15:26 Devastator: Speaking of this, I need to figure out how you birds moved stuff around in days of yore.
07:15:38 syv: Keeping the population tied up would be a problem, but training them to respect rope fences... hmm, actually, that might be awfully difficult for birds.
07:16:09 Devastator: Oh, maybe you guys made slaves of the centaurs.
07:16:19 Devastator: but I'd rather it not be quite so incapable.
07:16:45 syv: Let's not given any happy justified excuses for the centaurs.
07:16:46 Devastator: Wrong age for that anyway.
07:16:59 Devastator: They don't, don't worry about it.
07:17:19 syv: Traded with centaurs for trained horses? Didn't actually learn HOW to train horses, just bought them fully trained?
07:17:36 syv: Sold fish, maybe? Are centaurs omnivorous in this world?
07:17:51 Devastator: Unless you are talking about offenses four or five thousand years ago by the tower-building mages, who probably did some heavy-duty magic. But they mostly fought against each other.
07:18:07 ER: tied stuff to deer antlers, then made loud noises to make them run in the right direction.
07:18:35 Devastator: Nah, I figure you guys traded salt primarily.
07:18:44 Devastator: Probably other stuff, but that's what they really wanted from you.
07:19:12 Devastator: So probably salt and manufactured goods, as you guys have a bit better technology.
07:19:14 syv: Salt? As in mined salt? Birds would make terrible miners.
07:19:22 Devastator: You guys live on an ocean.
07:19:27 Devastator: and around a salt sea.
07:19:51 syv: Isn't mass production of sea salt from seawater a bit beyond our technology? I thought that was nontrivial.
07:20:12 ER: there's places you can just pick it up, I think.
07:20:17 Devastator: You have rocky caves and tides.
07:20:26 Devastator: Just block one off for a couple days.
07:20:42 syv: Huh. Yeah. All it requires is just letting the water evaporate.
07:20:45 Devastator: making sea salt from seawater can be done with a bucket.
07:21:02 syv: For some reason I thought it was an involved process.
07:21:46 Devastator: I also figure you guys had silk, as ever part of that seems quite viable to be done by birds, and it's very lightweight.
07:22:11 Devastator: Also, human traders used to come buy to buy your salt, on their boats.
07:22:20 Devastator: not a good day for that.
07:22:28 syv: I want someone to write about a society of sapient spiders which trades in silk. :(
07:23:01 ER: Ethral seem to trade in their own silk
07:23:13 Devastator: Is moth silk good for that?
07:23:22 Devastator: I thought it was pretty poor stuff.
07:23:32 Devastator: Eh, Ethral are Ethral, they just look like moths.
07:23:39 ER: it appears to be what standard rope is made from
07:23:41 Devastator: Also,
ER, why aren't you playing a crow? Isn't someone else playing a crow?
07:24:04 syv: It could be like dwarven cheese, and they actually farm silkworms. Or spiders.
07:24:34 syv:
Piecewise seems to assume their silk ropes have the same properties of real silk rope.
07:24:57 Devastator: At least it's understandable why they would call it Dwarven Cheese and not Purring Maggot Cheese.
07:24:57 syv: The crows are really more cave raptors than crows.
07:25:25 Devastator: So next up, play a corven and get yourself wings. Or play an Ethral and become a proper crow.
07:25:46 Devastator: Also,
syv, Prequel updated.
07:26:11 ER: also corven have that whole money worship thing going on and I'm like nah
07:26:30 ER: all about that MOTH COMMUNISIM
07:27:59 Devastator: You didn't need to animate ASL for the atronach.
07:27:59 syv: Katia is adorable, and I expect some joker to draw the atronach making popcorn within the week.
07:28:08 Devastator: It hasn't already been done?
07:28:32 syv: Not that I saw. I barely checked though.
07:29:29 Devastator: I don't know it, but I can recognize it.
07:30:04 Devastator: Sent in Prequel orders, actually.
07:30:16 Devastator: Just "Money. M-O-N-E-Y."
07:31:35 syv: Still found no X-rated popcorn production.
07:31:51 Devastator: It did take a while for the pineapple.
07:31:56 Devastator: at least, the ultimate pineapple.
07:32:35 syv: Have you actually looked for pineapple/Katia porn?
07:33:33 Devastator: Oh come on, you know what it is.
07:33:59 syv: Oh wait, that one with the spiral cut animation.
07:35:48 Devastator: Hence it being called the ultimate.
07:37:33 ER: is that one besides the one that I saw?
07:37:49 syv: It was the one I linked repeatedly on here.
07:38:47 Devastator: the really good one.
07:38:59 Devastator: with the cutting string.
07:40:45 syv: "Antartica is a de facto condominium"
07:40:56 syv: According to Wikipedia. They're not wrong.
07:42:45 syv: Apparently Antartica was originally named Australia.
07:43:06 Devastator: What does Australia mean?
07:45:47 syv: Hey, I didn't know that. To me, Australia means "land of terrible lifeforms"
07:47:34 Devastator: Of course. And the Aurora Austrailis?
07:48:00 syv: I literally hadn't ever seen that term until two minutes ago when one of these web pages mentioned it.
07:48:58 syv: Hey, you live in America too.
07:49:25 Devastator: Not according to your president..
07:49:55 syv: I'd think you'd know better than to use his definitions.
07:55:29 ER: what are some not terrible things?
07:57:04 syv: The Spanish word "Estadounidense".
07:57:41 syv: Kittens can be quite terrible.
07:57:49 ER: kittens are just terrifying
07:58:05 syv: ...Mr Rogers is a good choice, yeah.
08:00:24 syv: Bubble wrap is terrible in the hands of another person when you're trying to sleep.
08:00:33 ER: in a bit of a low energy slump right here
08:01:59 ER: those are terrible because I don't live near the ocean.
08:03:16 syv: Ocean breeze kinda sucks IMO.
08:03:25 syv: And I *do* live near the ocean.
08:04:49 Devastator: Must be different in tropical regions.
08:06:32 Devastator: So what's Sophie like?
08:07:53 ER: not particularly optimistic.
08:08:11 Devastator: Yeah, just wondering, because Red didn't seem sad.
08:08:45 Devastator: had a bad backstory, but covered that up with a veneer of fight.
08:09:19 ER: well hay, just because everything is terrible doesn't mean you have to give up.
08:09:33 syv: I kinda expect Sophia to do the same. She's had really really bad stuff happen to her, but is aggressive rather than melancholic.
08:09:39 Devastator: Didn't seem like one to wallow in sadness.
08:10:07 syv: I also kinda expect Sophia to be rather happy about, y'know, not being a sex slave anymore.
08:10:14 Devastator: Yeah, that's definately an upside.
08:10:17 Devastator: and seeing the sun. ;-p
08:10:27 Devastator: And meeting people who are happy to see her.
08:10:29 ER: yes, I have reason to not be unhappy.
08:10:35 syv: I think I wrote about that? I probably didn't write enough about that.
08:10:50 syv: She also has a LOT of guns.
08:11:11 Devastator: Is it worthy of praise?
08:11:18 ER: the pile of guns is comfort
08:11:31 syv: Twenty-six guns. More than me!
08:12:18 Devastator: That's a lot of guns.
08:12:25 Devastator: How is she carrying them around?
08:12:36 Devastator: "This is your brain on guns."
08:12:40 Devastator: That's a lot of guns to fit in a car.
08:12:49 Devastator: and the cops might not like that.
08:13:49 Devastator: Those aren't all AKs..
08:15:21 syv: Only about two thirds of Sophia's guns are AKs. Also, come to think of it she has twenty-SEVEN. Forgot to count her totem.
08:15:39 Devastator: Well, for now, then.
08:15:43 Devastator: as you can always summon more totems.
08:16:51 ER: going to summon a miniature keychain gun
08:17:27 ER: both because I can and also because it seems like something that might play into some overcomplicated plan at some point
08:19:03 syv: modify your gun to fire keychain guns
08:27:05 Devastator: modify your keychain guns to fire main guns.
08:31:28 Devastator: Oh,
ER, that question you asked in birdgame.
08:32:53 Devastator: The guy responds "It was my master's."
09:11:04 ER: yeah, pretty sure I need more rest. love.
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