01:08:01 Devastator: I think you may be assuming it won't blow you up first,
ER.
01:43:32 Devastator: You around, Piecewise__?
02:30:13 Devastator: I also don't see why you couldn't pass earth guy.
02:32:00 Devastator: Unless they die off or kill you.
03:34:41 Devastator: Just curious at the time, was planning on playing a game with
syv.
03:35:11 Devastator: Also didn't want to talk to myself.
03:35:23 Devastator: that just seems masturbutory.
03:37:30 Devastator: How did the project go?
03:38:40 Piecewise__: Eh. People got me their crap in the last like....20 minutes
03:39:16 Devastator: Should e-mail it 20 minutes late. ;-p
03:46:01 Piecewise__: if It wouldn't hurt me, I would
03:46:14 Piecewise__: But it would only tank my grade too so
03:48:18 Piecewise__: Stab myself with my sword so I can stab them at the same time
03:48:56 Devastator: Hey, it's what, a 3:1 damage ratio?
04:00:44 Piecewise__: Now I just have to edit this for all the fucking grammar and syntax issues
04:01:02 Devastator: A task that grows more difficult each year.
04:01:03 Piecewise__: I swear, some people even being in college is a goddamn miracle
04:01:54 Piecewise__: Here we have a run-on sentence with misused words (Site instead of sight), misused vocab, and just pure bad english.
04:02:35 Piecewise__: And then we get stuff like
04:02:37 Piecewise__: "Susie Salmon is Finding Feeling because she is realizing that she may be dead due to the fact that no one can see or hear her and everyone is slowly disappearing "
04:02:44 Piecewise__: which is just...awkward
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04:41:53 syv: I forgot I said I'd play a game tonight. >.>
04:44:23 Devastator: well, you want to go?
04:46:17 Devastator: Right, it was downloaded.
04:47:24 syv: Oh, I read that exorcist dad comic thing.
04:47:49 Devastator: 'healed by loli spirit'
04:48:04 syv: I felt mislead because it seemed very much like the author was posing their relationship as romantic rather than fatherly. >:|
04:48:40 syv: Jeez, uploaded twelve hours ago.
04:50:32 Piecewise__: I mean, if its romantic the guy seems to be going about it extremely jokingly and fatherly. The demon sure, she has a crush but so does the other exorcist
04:50:46 Piecewise__: Exorcist man seems to just be fucking around
04:51:01 syv:
Dev, I have a server running on US. "longnamemakesthisshowupbetterkindayeah?" password "
piecewise"
04:51:35 syv: Yes but I feel like they wouldn't be willing to make it explicit if he was being a predator.
04:52:16 Piecewise__: Its only predatory if she's not secretly 10,000 years old
04:52:41 Piecewise__: also she looks like she's part fish
04:53:06 Piecewise__: how old is 10 in fish years?
04:53:25 syv: She acts and thinks like a young character.
04:53:51 syv: I don't care if the character is 10,000 or 1, their age is determined by their body and personality.
04:54:47 Piecewise__: Then I am a particularly perverted 13 year old
04:54:59 Piecewise__: *Plays with his toys*
04:55:12 syv: I'd put you more around fifteen.
04:55:30 Piecewise__: Buy me a beer, brah
04:55:37 Piecewise__: They keep carding me
04:56:01 Piecewise__: also no that link isn't sexual
04:56:17 Piecewise__: its about a ghost who wants a lady to get the fuck out of the office before she works herself to death
04:57:50 syv: I think the suspicion of sexually stems from "loli" being in the title.
04:57:56 syv: It's a word with connotations.
05:05:34 syv:
Dev, same server/pass and everything.
05:05:53 syv: Just changing that doesn't require a rejoin, actually. Only changing map.
05:05:55 Devastator: Was wondering if saeko related..
05:50:08 Devastator: magic healing loli. ;-p
05:51:20 Devastator: She was short, then used Grow.
05:51:23 Devastator: I though
PW just forgot.
05:51:27 Devastator: I mean, it happens.
05:51:52 syv: I think there's several more traits that define "loli".
05:52:08 Devastator: well, d10+1 will probably meant cute.
05:52:25 Devastator: albeit she didn't have a revealing outfit or anything like that. The opposite, really.
05:52:29 Devastator: It was elaborate, though..
05:53:22 syv: I'd prolly define it as "Female sexualized anime child" or something pretty close to that.
05:54:03 syv: Female and anime are covered, I suppose, so if she's a kid then that's 75%.
05:55:00 Devastator: Not that young. Was thinking ~16 or so.
05:55:12 Devastator: but that's certainly a 'kid.'
05:57:20 Devastator: but yeah, she still isn't particularly large. More like 'Small adult'
05:59:17 Devastator: I'll probably use another one when going for d12 End, which might happen after this mission, depending on how much mana is gettable.
06:01:27 Devastator: Another grow spell.
06:01:40 Devastator: d12s are really hard to get through normal buffing.
06:07:09 Devastator: Easier to do like a d6 grow and 2 d12 buffs than 3 d12 buff spells.
06:08:41 Devastator: the only downside is that being huggy will eventually go from acceptable to unacceptable.
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06:11:04 syv: And hugs are always acceptable, even if they're being given by a swole little girl.
06:11:19 Devastator: well, theoretically yes.
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06:12:16 syv: I want to see someone make a Souls-like game of decent length, which has a core mechanic of speedhacking the game faster, and with each speedup opportunity coming after a major boss or something so that yoi have to gradually step it up. Also, repeating areas being required at least a couple times.
06:12:45 syv: Optional speedhacks, that is. The game would be balanced for a normal speed playthrough.
06:13:02 syv: All this just because I want to see speedrunners deal with that.
06:13:58 Devastator: They'll find ways to skip bits..
06:15:53 syv: Alsol the routing would be amazing if there were skippable bosses only just barely put of your way. "You can go kill the Effervescent Choir for another 33% speedboost, saving about six minutes if you did everything properly, but during Garish Nightmare the ponies' OHKO grab attacks will be undodgable, forcing you to play more cautiously or have the run die nine times of ten."
06:16:13 Devastator: Yeah, that would be neat.
06:16:24 Devastator: they will kill the early bosses.
06:16:41 syv: The early bosses would also be easiest, so yeah.
06:17:59 Devastator: oh, I did write down Saeko's height at one point. She's now 5' 4". So yeah, shouldn't be a problem.
06:22:06 syv: That doesn't sound all that tall for a 16 y/o girl?
06:22:19 syv: Grow spell didn't increase her height much?
06:22:35 Devastator: She was pretty tiny.
06:22:49 Devastator: hence joking that
PW forgot she wasn't a loli ;-p
06:23:53 Devastator: also, the spell wasn't 'use a d6 grow on self' it was 'grow six inches taller.'
06:24:04 Devastator: which turned out to be d6.
06:27:09 Devastator: It's also why I expected giant bird to take more mana.
06:27:22 Devastator: ..although I used a 'strengthen' on it to get more bang.
06:29:38 Devastator: I'm sure a d6 strengthen grow would be a lot more than six inches.
06:37:16 Devastator: Hmm, how much was it.
06:37:27 Devastator: elephant sized.. so about 15 feet long?
06:37:43 Devastator: and it started out the size of an extremely large dog, so ~4 feet long?
06:38:50 Devastator: assuming it's linear and d6 d8 and d10 are equivalent to 3d8, that would be d8 = 1/3 of 132 inches, so 44 inches.
06:39:05 Devastator: nah, say 5 feet long.
06:39:20 Devastator: amd 40 for strengthen grow d8.
06:39:58 Devastator: so wild guess, d6 strengthen grow would make her two feet taller.
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20:09:57 ER: you get a shinobi tool from killing the guardian ape
20:10:50 ER: it's a whistle that attracts attention and "enrages beasts, making them unable to distinguish friend from foe"
20:11:18 ER: later you fight guardian ape again, this time in headless form the whole time.
20:11:52 ER: except in the second stage he brings in a second giant ape, which acts just like his first phase.
20:12:18 ER: Now, this is probably crazy, but hear me out: what if I use the whistle on the add? :P
20:16:35 ER: does this not count as a beast
20:20:54 ER: that makes this tool slightly useful in stealth and a counter to... dogs?
20:21:56 ER: I can't think of anything that I've seen yet where the enrage ability is useful except for dogs.
20:22:15 ER: And dogs didn't need a counter! They are very easy to defeat!
20:53:23 ER: defeated the add by just Mortal Drawing repeatedly for long-reach damage.
21:05:57 ER: ahh, bestowal ninjitsu is indeed pretty good.
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21:21:43 syv: From likes to add useless stuff to Sekiro.
21:22:22 syv: I think you can trivialize that one monkey crowd with the whistle, but then that encounter is pretty easy anyway, especially if you just use shuriken from a range.
21:22:44 syv: And yes, Mortal Draw is amazing.
21:23:41 ER: so, if I understand correctly.
21:24:11 ER: bestowal adds a second attack to each sword swing?
21:24:48 ER: so at a large distance, it hits with only the bestowal for relatively low damage
21:25:20 ER: but if I get up into normal sword range I'm suddenly doing tons of damage, hitting with both the blade and aura.
21:26:26 ER: I *think* that's what's happening. I noticed that enemies superarmored through a lot of the long range hits, while if I get up close and mash r1 they pretty much melt.
21:30:15 ER: But yeah, thought I was being clever with the whistle idea.
21:31:03 ER: I guess that From didn't want "clever" for that fight, they wanted you to fucking fight two phases of the same boss simutainiously in a smaller arena.
21:31:54 syv: It just adds a second damage effect to your sword, which partially penetrates guard.
21:33:15 syv: I don't thiiink the damage is affected by combat arts, which makes Bestowal+Ichimonji relatively poor, but Bestowal+Floating Passage pretty good. Though it's not hugely better than just R1ing, since R1s hit harder than normal.
21:35:01 syv: I think it staggers/stuns more than usual.
21:38:10 syv: Oh, something to note, sword enchants of any kind, like from the ultimare posthetic skill, will overwrite and remove Bestowal.
21:38:31 syv: Even the very quick ones that just give you one enchanted strike.
21:39:49 ER: Flip Over is annoying to use because the lockon automatically moves to another enemy, meaning that you can't turn around and backstab the enemy you just flipped over.
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21:40:05 ER: Guess I have to turn off the auto lockon if I want to use that
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21:40:47 syv: Play unlocked? Yeah that's annoying.
21:42:13 syv: Sekiro really isn't made for unlocked play. There's at least one boss who is VASTLY easier to hurt when playing unlocked, because you can deadangle it for some reason, but it just makes the fight painful instead of difficult because of the game's mechanics, and the boss's speed.
21:45:02 ER: Bestowal lasts the same amount no matter what enemy you use it on, right?
21:45:14 syv: Haven't tested but probably.
21:45:47 ER: When you have the chance to backstab a really powerful enemy, puppetry is probably better.
21:45:53 syv: It makes your sword glow with a different color if you use it on a gecko though, so maybe there's other special interactions. Game's pretty opaque.
21:46:20 ER: ah, gecko have yellow blood, right?
21:46:57 syv: It really depends. If there's multiple enemies, or the strong one is *significantly* more powerful (like the bell taro vs mibu villagers), puppetry is better.
21:47:38 syv: But if there's only one or two other enemies, bestowal is better because you do way more damage than a puppet, and puppets can hurt you.
21:47:55 ER: a mook standing next to a lone strong dude is good for bestowal.
21:48:19 ER: of course you can backstab puppets and get the best of both worlds. :P
21:52:00 syv: ...Never thought of doing that.
21:52:21 ER: maybe it causes poison buildup?
21:52:49 syv: No clue! Everything dies too fast.
21:53:49 syv: There's white geckos later who give you a white sword, but they're even worse since they're not even near enemies.
21:55:23 ER: Went to bell demon temple, back out and backstab the gecko lower on the cliff
21:55:46 ER: went back up and hit the centepede dude with it, he go poisoned in one hit
21:56:13 syv: Guess they have a poison vulnerability, for all the good that does.
21:56:14 ER: also tested bloodsmoke ninjitsu, it actually does something different with gecko!
21:56:48 ER: It makes a poison cloud that shoots forwards, rather than a circle of smoke around you.
21:56:57 ER: If you stand in it you get poisoned.
21:57:16 syv: So an utter downgrade to an already poor ability.
22:02:11 ER: just because I think it looks kinda cool
22:05:43 syv: It's still awfully useless.
22:06:05 ER: it's just like the gecko are thin men! :D
22:06:22 syv: What are you gonna do? Puppet a gecko so you can drag it all the way over to a tough enemy so that you can repeatedly bloodsmoke it to poison the tough enemy?
22:06:30 ER: maybe there's SOME point in the game where you can use that and it'll actually hit something?
22:06:44 syv: All for the grand benefit of 1% per second damage ticks?
22:06:59 ER: You can't repeatedly bloodsmoke a single enemy.
22:07:20 ER: At least, it wouldn't make sense if you could. A normal backstab kills a puppet.
22:07:33 syv: Huh. Didn't realize that, somehow.
22:07:55 syv: I've only backstabbed them to refresh the puppet duration.
22:09:30 ER: also puppetry will probably be more useful anyway because gecko just spit poison
22:10:50 ER: but uh, it's a cool reaction? I don't understand exactly why you can backstab gecko anyway.
22:11:48 ER: are there any other enemies with nonstandard blood? ninjitsu might have interesting effects on those as well.
22:12:29 syv: I don't think so. There's a bunch of nonhumans in a later area, but their backstab effects are completely normal.
22:12:54 ER: Is there anyone with like... dragon blood maybe? >.>
22:13:22 syv: I've never backstabbed a centipede, but I think they're human. Midgets are normal. Don't think you can use ninjutsu on infested priests. Taro are just overgrown humans. Monkeys are normal.
22:13:32 ER: I bet if I stabbed Kuro and used bestowal it would be SUPER powerful, right?
22:14:01 syv: I don't believe there's any ninjutsu-vulnerable chars with dragonblood, no.
22:14:36 syv: The amusing thing is that if you could do that to Kuro, it'd actually be helpful for the final boss fight, and wouldn't actually harm him anyway.
22:15:18 syv: I've never used ninjutsu on a ghost.
22:16:02 ER: centepede make normal smoke, but it shoots out forwards like gecko smoke
22:16:19 syv: Probably because they're both crawling enemies.
22:16:48 ER: yeah, I guess it's the same animation set?
22:16:55 syv: I wonder if bloodsmoke affects the longarm in Senpou? If so, that would actually be a good use for Bloodsmoke.
22:22:01 ER: I love the drip sound effect for bestowal
22:22:05 syv: ...Can you use Ninjutsu on Hanbei? I'd think not, buuut...
22:23:56 ER: It's likely for the player to obtain the mortal blade not long after first gaining ninjitsu.
22:24:19 ER: so a short time period to test it on him.
22:24:35 ER: unless you refuse to kill him, I guess.
22:24:46 syv: Assuming you murder him immediately.
22:25:00 syv: I didn't kill him for awhile because he was useful.
22:25:35 ER: At that point he has stopped being useful for me.
22:25:44 syv: And after letting him survive to the end in NG+, just to see if he had dialogue (nope!), I don't kill him at all 'cause it's slow and there's no benefit.
22:26:04 syv: He's still useful for testing whenever you learn a new combat art.
22:26:31 syv: Don't even need to select the sparring option, just run up to him and start slashing.
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22:55:28 ER: can I ever fufil anayama's quest to find a big lad to help him scavenge battlefields?
22:56:13 syv: Did you already send Kotaro to the Halls of Illusion?
22:56:44 ER: Kotaro is the only one? aw.
22:57:40 ER: I'm guessing that trying to spirit away Kotaro again now that he's in the halls won't be good.
22:59:09 syv: The description does say that it's relatively easy to return the first time, but a second time eill be permanent.
22:59:45 syv: As far as I can tell this doesn't mean anything as far as mechanics in the rest of the game. Spiriting away a taro soldier twice doesn't prevent them from respawning.
23:01:53 ER: The divine child is gone from her spot and I'm somewhat worried. :<
23:05:13 ER: everything's unchanged in the halls of illusion.
23:16:25 ER: heh, I went an found the book, then came back, and she didn't say anything different because I hadn't reloaded the world.
23:16:46 ER: used the homeward idol and she appeared in the proper place.
23:17:14 ER: now she's asking me to find the two fruits of the serpent, which I happen to already have.
23:17:25 ER: In fact, I got them a pretty long time ago.
23:17:59 syv: I got those fruits my first playthrough, and had no idea why I had them because I never did her questline.
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