00:03:59 Devastator: So we end up dooming Artesh to millenia of agonising servitude, all as the result of a careless bet, a horrible echo of the tragedy that laid low his father.
00:04:00 Devastator: Goddamn owned, Artesh.
01:27:01 Piecewise_: Yeah, take that you whoever you are
01:27:25 Devastator: The lesson learned is to not bet your soul over robot wars battles.
01:32:16 Devastator: How many have you won so far?
01:46:53 Devastator: what's the best weapon?
01:54:22 Piecewise_: Statistically, malaria
01:56:03 Devastator: I meant at robot fighting.
01:56:09 Devastator: I don't think they're suspectable to malaria.
01:57:18 Piecewise_: Well Jamie Hyneman from myth busters actually won so many robot wars that he was banned from competing anymore
01:57:29 Piecewise_: and he basically just had a spinning thing
01:57:48 Piecewise_: (He was also banned because something about debris flying into the crowd blah blah blah)
01:58:13 Devastator: debris flying into the crowd, heh.
01:58:21 Devastator: they coulda just put up clear plastic walls.
01:58:49 Devastator: I did see his robot, IIRC. It was just like a large spinning bowl.
01:59:19 Piecewise_: its quite a smart design
01:59:25 Piecewise_: almost impossible to flip
01:59:46 Piecewise_: don't have to aim your hits
02:01:40 Devastator: A pure disk might be better.
02:01:56 Piecewise_: Flippers seem to be one of the best weapons
02:01:59 Devastator: but that looks really good.
02:02:08 Devastator: I wonder if that had a counter-flipper on the bottom.
02:03:06 Devastator: okay, throwing the entire opposing robot out of the arena is impressive.
02:03:16 Piecewise_: I think it was just heavily weighted, low down, and the blade would hit any flipper coming in
02:03:52 Devastator: "A combination of a stronger arena design capable of containing the energy Blendo released, stronger robots able to take multiple hits from Blendo, multiple copycat designs, and Blendo's own tendency to tear itself apart caused it to be defeated in its first match in all four BattleBots events in which it competed. "
02:04:14 Devastator: Sounds like it took years for people to catch up with it, and it wasn't improved much in the intertrim.
02:05:46 Devastator: Maybe the solution is to build a tougher robot.
02:05:54 Devastator: Take the hits and make the spinner break itself apart.
02:06:11 Devastator: because it's gotta take everything it dishes out, right?
02:06:38 Piecewise_: I'm not sure what the rules for the games are
02:06:48 Piecewise_: what is and isn't accepted
02:08:02 Devastator: Apparently you must have some kind of moving weapon these days, and it's by weight and sometimes power limits.
02:08:16 Devastator: so no just building a bot that smashes into other bots.
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02:25:53 Devastator: oh my god, no wonder it was so powerful.
02:25:59 Devastator: it was gasoline powered.
02:26:07 Devastator: in 1996, that would have been an immense advantage.
02:32:15 Devastator: That was also the guy who went on to build Backlash.
02:48:59 Devastator: High voltage electric discharge
02:49:01 Devastator: Liquids (glue, oil, water, corrosives…)
02:49:02 Devastator: Fire (except in BattleBots)
02:49:05 Devastator: Un-tethered projectiles
02:49:07 Devastator: Entanglement devices
02:49:08 Devastator: Lasers above 1 milliwatt
02:52:39 Devastator: Hmm, air cannons might be legal.
02:53:31 Piecewise__: Lasers above 1 milliwatt?
02:54:22 Piecewise__: if someone can make a portable laser gun capable of disabling armored robots, they deserve to win
02:54:23 Devastator: I don't think they'd be effective, but they would be hazardous to the audience.
02:54:31 Piecewise__: just before the government kidnaps them
02:54:34 Devastator: IE, you'd hurt people long before you hurt the robot.
02:54:58 Devastator: "Beta unsuccessfully attempted to use an electromagnet to counter the reaction forces of its massive hammer weapon at the BattleBots competition. This resulted in the robot being completely stuck to the floor."
02:56:17 Devastator: but yes, I'd love to see the killer laser.
03:15:37 Devastator: survived arcane fuckery?
03:17:32 Devastator: (I thought we didn't have to roll for magic use.)
03:21:46 Devastator: (I'm also a bit miffed that I don't get a free chance to fight the hostile creatures, but that's life.)
03:26:05 Devastator: good luck though, heh.
03:28:04 Piecewise__: See, the best weapons are simple
03:28:12 Piecewise__: any bot that has anything complex tends to get fucked
03:28:25 Piecewise__: Not having to aim is also good
03:28:40 Piecewise__: since its not exactly easy to do
03:29:53 Piecewise__: I think one of the better ones was just a fast moving wedge that would run straight into people and flip them
03:31:20 Devastator: so spinners or wedges?
03:31:47 Piecewise__: Maybe not a full spinner
03:32:11 Piecewise__: instead some sort of single, 180 or 360 "Slice" or "Smack" attack
03:32:28 Piecewise__: so you'd be less likely for tearing yourself apart
03:33:00 Piecewise__: Like those bots that have the hammer blow type weapons but mounted horizontally
03:33:18 Piecewise__: Just turn it into hammerfight~
03:34:11 Devastator: Like Son of Whyachi? The tri-spinner?
03:34:29 Devastator: Basically just a lawnmower top?
03:34:50 Devastator: I don't think the swingy ones work well, they can't seem to drive properly.
03:38:56 Devastator: just sorta spin and can't move.
04:06:31 Devastator: Watching old battlebots.
04:06:49 Devastator: 'oh look, it's an overhead saw-bot, and it's got a perfect grip on it's opponent.'
04:06:56 Devastator: ..which has titanium top armour.
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04:14:04 ER: ugh don't care for that arcane fuckery rule change
04:14:39 ER: can still pay 1.5 cost to gain advantage, right
Piecewise__?
04:14:51 ER: what happens if we don't have enough mana...?
04:14:53 Devastator: you can pay for an advantage?
04:15:09 ER: shoulda read the rules
dev ;P
04:15:55 ER: though this does seem to roughly cut the maximum mana cost in half?
04:16:27 ER: maximum spell was 100 mana, now a maximum spell is 100 MAX but an average of 55
04:16:45 Devastator: I would have if I'd known.
04:16:55 Devastator: wanted to get those explorers out ASAP.
04:20:53 Devastator: should still get the first building up no more than a turn behind, thoug.
04:21:12 Devastator: so lost four turns of mana and one turn behind.. which is big, but it's random enough it's not fatal.
04:23:24 ER: interesting, was I the only one casting spells at advantage one turn one?
04:23:34 ER: ...I see a lot of ones for magic
04:30:01 Devastator: I wasn't. Didn't know it could be done.
04:31:51 Devastator: There's a "dogeweight" class for fighting robots.
04:32:58 Devastator: up for some survivor,
ER?
04:55:13 Devastator: run into a group, lag.
04:58:05 Devastator: yeah, there's a bunker under the greenhouse.
05:02:07 Devastator: dammit, those two guys were nearly dead, just switched to the wrong weapon.
05:05:38 ER: there were like 5 enemies between me and you there...
05:06:02 Devastator: I was hoping someone would open the door.
05:06:08 Devastator: so the grenades would kill them.
05:09:42 Devastator: Just too many dudes.
05:09:49 Devastator: I shoudla used some nades.
05:09:59 ER: also I picked up a mosin with no scope...
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05:11:32 Devastator: wait, 14 damage? What the hell?
05:11:37 MidJag: I could stream something
05:11:43 Devastator: playing survivor right now.
05:12:18 Devastator: I'm not sure how I did 14 damage to that guy.
05:14:30 Devastator: can you click new game so we can restart?
05:17:31 MidJag: I always forget that ovens explode
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05:22:56 MidJag: Decent, might need to go soon.
05:23:14 Devastator: not doing terribly well.
05:23:28 syv: "I might be busy at midnight on a Saturday night."
05:23:40 Devastator: nah, I'm not playing that well either.
05:24:08 syv: I could join you for a couple rounds if you like,
Dev.
05:25:41 Devastator: oh, right, I had no armour.
05:25:41 MidJag: heh, nah this is the good kind of busy
syv.
05:25:49 Devastator: and I should have been using the M419
05:28:55 Devastator: of course the guys tank just enough shots to keep the computer from going boom and killing both of them.
05:33:05 syv: I shouldn't have taken the SCAR.
05:33:11 Devastator: it's not a bad gun.
05:33:23 syv: It's just not as good up close as the M416.
05:33:25 Devastator: yeah, that's another pretty good gun.
05:33:38 Devastator:
MJ, can you ready up?
05:33:40 syv: Normally I love it, but it just wasn't the gun here.
05:33:46 MidJag: I might need to go actually
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05:34:46 ER: the "good kind of busy" means that someone brought over their console and you get to play smash bros with them
05:36:28 Devastator: agg, should have just kept fighting.
05:38:19 syv: But got caught by a frag just as I incapped the thrower. And then a third guy came in and punched us both to death while we thumbed each other.
05:39:00 syv: Other guy also had a vector, so a real pity I flubbed that.
05:39:36 Devastator: flubbed it against three guys in a building. I had them all.
05:40:59 syv: I lost control of my char for the last bit there.
05:41:01 Devastator: I forgot to reload the shitty shotgun.
05:41:10 syv: Just ran out into his bullets.
05:41:14 Devastator: you're playing better than I am.
05:46:11 syv: Got confused with which weapon was top.
05:47:26 Devastator: fuck, I thought you were up there.
05:54:18 Devastator: Nice, 69 damage taken.
05:54:23 Devastator: the saiga-12 is just broken.
05:54:25 syv: For once I actually did great with a sniper rifle.
05:54:36 Devastator: it was the one I was using.
05:54:54 Devastator: one more, but this time I'll do the revolver thing. ;-p
05:57:54 Devastator: almost had that guy.
05:59:55 Devastator: well, started lagging, but there were like 11 guys there..
06:00:02 Devastator: was four, they lost one.
06:06:32 Devastator: got him. He simply couldn't handle the flank.
06:06:36 Devastator: good shooting, though.
06:06:39 Devastator: you did the heavy lifting there.
06:06:51 syv: I'm doing unusualy well todsy.
06:06:58 Devastator: what I was trying to indicate was that's the only exit to the hydra base.
06:07:04 Devastator: the sounds meant there were people in there.
06:07:09 Devastator: they had to come out there.
06:14:21 syv: I did terrible that round.
06:14:22 Devastator: ahh, it was gonna happen.
06:14:28 Devastator: too many high-risk plays.
06:14:38 syv: Worse, I grabbed it while usig a 2x, like an idiot...)
06:14:50 syv: I grabbed it, still sucked
06:19:24 syv: Oh well. Bad time to heal.
06:19:26 Devastator: shoulda been ready for a guy like that.
06:23:38 Devastator: I think those two were cheating.
06:24:06 Devastator: but the guy had some perfectly-on bursts.
06:24:17 ER: because ANYONE WHO BEATS ME HACKS BabyRage
06:24:27 Devastator: They're not cheating.
06:24:35 syv: He WAS very accurate. But okay, if you spectated.
06:30:42 Devastator: Okay.. I think I need a minute to cool down.
06:30:44 Devastator: had some good wins.
06:30:57 syv: Yeah, I need to figure out some key bindings too.
06:31:05 Devastator: there are key bindings?
06:31:59 syv: My W key is partially broken so I have to pkay SZXC, wgich requires a bunch of rebinds.
06:34:35 syv: Heh. Was adjusting keybindings in escape menu, not playing. Guy with sawn off walks up to me, stares for a couple seconds, then starts punching. I finished, exited, then gave him a smiley face. He stared at me, then wandered off.
06:35:44 Devastator: I had one earlier where I was idling for a few moments, someone came up to shoot me, and I woke up right as he starting firing.
06:41:33 syv: First crate I smashed had an M249 and an AK.
06:41:49 syv: No healing items, first guy I fought rought me to 15%.
06:42:09 syv: Next THREE KILLS had no healing items, no loot, I won by ambushes and barrel hits, with a x2.
06:42:54 syv: I got to #2, full boost, lots of healing items, x4, EBR secondary, plenty of ammo, L3 armor... Last guy didn't shoot at me. He didn't have a gun.
06:42:56 Devastator: my kingdom for bandages.
06:43:11 syv: He just dodged around cover, trying to get close.
06:43:29 syv: It's a great sniper. Maybe the best.
06:43:58 syv: I started trying to pressure him with nades, cut off a line so I could get him to STOP FLEEING.
06:44:11 Devastator: the circle will bring him close.
06:44:18 syv: I cooked one and held off throwing it because there was no good line, and then it blew up 5 feet in front of me.
06:44:21 Devastator: or you could just shoot all the stuff in the way.
06:44:25 syv: Instakill from full health.
06:44:37 syv: This was monumentally stupid.
06:44:54 syv: Especially after I killed two people by retreating, damaging barrels, then oneshotting them with said barrels.
06:45:08 syv: At 15% HP. Three flawless fights. Grah.
06:45:46 syv: I lost against a guy that didn't even have ammo. >.<
06:48:26 syv: Also, yes, the M249 is ridiculously OP.
06:48:58 syv: I've never had one before, but it has an insane firerate and insane accuracy, with 100 rounds and apparently good damage. Plus it chews through cover.
06:49:20 Devastator: you just shoot through cover.
06:49:32 syv: It has a long reload, but then everyone ran away from me so that didn't matter.
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06:52:00 syv: Has Dubs played any surviv?
06:53:34 Devastator: I have punched someone with one before.
06:53:50 Devastator: but it's so lethal that usually doesn't work.
06:54:10 syv: I could see having trouble if you get charged by four or five people in a row.
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06:54:30 syv: But "It's not as good if you're outnumbered five to one" isn't exactly a flaw.
07:23:04 Devastator: "We're you worried when you saw stuff flying off your robot?"
07:23:32 ER: yeah Intruder is a super fun game to watch
07:37:28 syv: welp, just looked at the first thing you linked, and that looks like it might be amazing.
07:37:42 ER: you really haven't seen it before?
07:38:00 ER: yeah I haven't played it but it's *very* fun to watch.
07:38:22 syv: Ohh, it's kinda like Spies vs Mercs.
07:38:52 ER: it's been in development since... 2012, at least
07:39:14 ER: it's been around for a long time.
07:42:24 syv: Ehhhh reading about it it's prolly worth 20$ to me. I don't need much from a tactical game really.
07:42:52 syv: Doesn't seem nearly as good as GRP, but then it's prolly no worse than Neotokyo, and the worst part of Neotokyo was the lack of players.
07:45:51 syv: ...Hour long vid. Any highligjts?
07:46:56 ER: think you'd get some idea from watching the first round
07:47:21 ER: that video has some downtime but not a lot
07:47:33 ER: think the game itself ends 45 minutes in
08:07:30 ER: it seems kinda backwards that the harder feature to implement in current DF is working for a villain as a henchman, and the easier feature is being the mastermind and ordering people around :P
08:07:47 syv: Nah, that makes total sense.
08:08:12 ER: aye, there's just games where that would be the other way round
08:08:19 syv: Being a henchman is a far simpler job for an NPC than a player, but being a mastermind could easily be about the same if done correctly.
08:09:10 ER: much simpler for things to happen if those things aren't on screen
08:17:12 syv: Game seems extremely slow paces, and there's only five people...
08:17:49 ER: it's not fast. it is a stealth game, after all.
08:17:52 syv: Much more about stealth than CQB, and the stealth is a little crazy. Hidden mines and perfectly silent doors?
08:18:16 syv: Plus no respawns, which is just annoying in a game so slow paced.
08:19:45 ER: Focuses more on information than on fighting.
08:20:17 ER: Having to communicate without talking when near enemies and such.
08:20:24 syv: Yeah. Not a bad game, but not the kinda thing I'm super into.
08:20:41 syv: Also I hate that kind of mechanic. It's sooo easy to cheat.
08:21:17 syv: Others can, though. It introduces a choice between cheating or being at a disadvantage sometimes.
08:21:51 syv: Also, I just don't like it as a mechanic. "You cannot communicate when near enemies".
08:22:12 syv: Communication is a good mechanic in general, don't screw with it and make it bad.
08:23:42 ER: It's not like they force you to not communicate. Talking is a risk if you might be near the enemy but you can still do it. You have the radio clicks and snapping and hand signals.
08:25:57 syv: It's punishing you for teamplay. I dislike that.
08:26:18 syv: Talking is teamplay, and while there's other options, they make it screwier.
08:26:46 ER: And it rewards you for paying attention to the enemy
08:26:57 syv: Also, this might just be the participants having bad mics, but the radio garbling effects are terrible. If that's intentional it's just a huge demonstration of bad design.
08:27:19 syv: No, it rewards you for having ears. At any time you might hear someone talk, and then you have an advantage over them.
08:27:31 syv: It's random. Based purely on relative positioning, on a large map.
08:29:29 syv: See, footsteps, footsteps are a solid sound-based detector. Make them audible while running, and inaudible while going slow; this doesn't interfere with other mechanics, and gives a good tradeoff: speed vs stealth, and it still rewards knowing where enemies are--though in a game like that, knowing where the enemies are means you've already won.
08:32:28 syv: Also, the design of the game means low playercount would REALLY hurt. On such an enormous map, without any kind of waypoints or wallhacks, having two people as defenders is going to very much hinder them.
08:33:11 syv: At least Neotokyo has the always-visible bot, which itself grants a wallhack to the holder. That gives a goal everyone wants to go towards, and a way to detect any enemies who are hidden if they don't go for it.
08:33:34 syv: It essentially shrinks the functional play area with the number of players, which is a great mechanic.
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08:40:55 MidJag: better than the alternative
08:43:10 MidJag: nah, it's definetlly better, instant death suprise death is the way to go. none of this dying bullshit :P
08:44:19 ER: dying once is overrated, I don't want to die if I don't get to die multiple times.
08:49:48 ER:
Devastator, when are you going to update the birb game?
08:50:59 Devastator: as soon as I don't have six hours of chores on a weekend and my shifts settle down.
08:55:27 syv: How long has it been since we've done a four-player match of Surviv?
08:59:49 MidJag: I don't konw what it is, but I'm very laggy
09:00:21 Devastator: might want to ctrl-refresh and wait a moment before the next match starts then.
09:01:58 syv: Should've shot the explodingbarrel.
09:04:38 syv: Dec, you leave allies behind too often.
09:06:06 ER: just pick up all the AKs and tape them together
09:08:43 ER: I do not know what all the damn 9mm pistols are in this game, there's too many
09:11:55 Devastator: there's the normal one, the auto one and the 3-shot one.
09:12:04 syv: G18, kinda like a sad MAC-10
09:12:04 Devastator: M9 worthless, unless you have an autofiring macro.
09:12:12 syv: M93R, burst fire, good if dual.
09:18:39 Devastator: god I hate sniper rifles.
09:19:02 syv: Once you have a gun, stay with your sllies, don't go running off in the opposite direction.
09:19:09 MidJag: The loot is so enticing
09:19:15 Devastator: but how can I flank guys?
09:19:23 syv: In general this means "follow
Dev" because he can't follow, and is good enough to know where to go, but still.
09:19:40 syv: Also,
MJ grab everyhing. Includig ammo.
09:22:53 syv:
Dev was asking you to revive him,
MJ.
09:23:06 syv: Switch to the shotty up ckose.
09:23:10 Devastator: and to shoot that barrel.
09:23:22 MidJag: ah, I had no ammo for the shotty
09:23:34 syv: But yeah, grab all ammo if you can, so you can drop it for us later.
09:23:34 Devastator: you can drop it, then, by right-clicking.
09:29:33 Devastator: sorry, was pursing guys who were running from the revolver.
09:29:41 syv:
MJ, you want the MAC-10 if possible.
09:29:49 MidJag: is that the best subby?
09:30:03 Devastator: unless you get one from a gold airdrop.
09:30:09 syv: Do not use any pistol, except the G18 if no mac
09:32:58 syv:
MJ, you can move while reviving.
09:33:17 MidJag: I think I might do one more and then go to ebd
09:40:03 Devastator: shouldn't have went to punch kill a good player.
09:40:07 Devastator: almost did it.. but that count.
09:40:11 Devastator: yeah it was my fault.
09:40:15 Devastator: I could have murdered that guy.
09:40:24 syv: Almost more than the rest of us combined.
09:40:33 Devastator: That doesn't preclude me getting 900 damage.
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09:46:05 syv: Three swuads converged on us.
09:46:16 Devastator: damn, didn't stand on the right side of that last guy.
09:46:26 Devastator: I coulda taken the reviver out.
09:49:54 Devastator: goddamn it, I missed revolver-killing that guy.
09:49:58 Devastator: I got him one time too few.
09:50:09 Devastator: drawing a mosin from the airdrop sucks, though.
09:51:23 ER: tiiiime to hide and wait for thinning out :P
09:52:15 Devastator: there's stuff under flowebushes, too.
09:52:48 Devastator: see, unlike me,
ER can occasionally land hits with it.
09:52:58 syv: ...That's a clever tactic the guy tried.
09:53:19 syv: Disarmed himself in hopes he'd be spared, so his teammattes would still rescue him.
09:53:30 syv:
ER is GOOD with thay yhing.
09:54:05 Devastator: odd, was that guy shooting the mosin normally for you?
09:54:07 syv: If only you could've won it with the katana.
09:54:22 Devastator: oh, he seemed to be doing two-shot bursts. Musta been lag.
09:54:50 syv: IIRC you can twoshot bolt actions if you have two and rapidly switch.
09:54:53 ER: yeah I seemed to instantly die with no explaination when I picked up the katana so I'll blame lag ;P
09:55:02 syv: He shot you swuare with his mosion
10:00:28 Devastator: you guys just walked past that guy.
10:00:42 Devastator: also, I punched the guy I failed to punch a few games ago.
10:01:38 ER: and a M O I S T N U G G E T
10:01:41 Devastator: but yeah, that last guy in the police station was the guy who beat us a few rounds ago.
10:01:51 Devastator: I got him this time.
10:03:07 Devastator: nah, shot the wall in front of my face there.
10:08:55 syv: Right when it mattered I had a bad spot of lag. ._.
10:09:33 Devastator: that guy was just going to be a pain in the ass.
10:09:43 Devastator: I hate those silos.
10:09:51 ER: had way too hard a time for having an 8x and lmg
10:14:19 Devastator: That's crossfire for ya.
10:14:24 Devastator: I should have went out the other door.
10:20:02 Devastator: Ugh, dual deagles are rough.
10:20:09 ER: I may have forgotten to pick up any armor
10:20:19 Devastator: sorry guys, I was in pursuit there of another guy and didn't get back quick enough.
10:20:30 Devastator: oh, there was lots in the police station.
10:20:34 syv: Nah, we shouldn;t have charged a dueagle user.
10:20:37 Devastator: and I flanked that Levi guy with the BAR who had like 8 kills.
10:21:01 Devastator: how'd you get 0 kills and 525 damage?
10:21:13 syv: You damn killstealers! >:(
10:27:50 Devastator: There's that Levi guy again.
10:27:53 Devastator: he's gotta be hating us.
10:27:56 ER: well that made perfect sense
10:28:12 Devastator: I wanted to punch kill him.
10:28:14 Devastator: almost did it, too.
10:28:24 syv: I wanted to kill us all with nades.
10:28:35 ER: not sure if I was actually helpful there
10:28:37 Devastator: I think this next one will be my last.
10:35:00 ER: I was off looting while you were winning the game
10:35:03 Devastator: Yeah, you should have seen the beginning.
10:35:12 Devastator: there were like five guys around the crysanthemum bunker.
10:35:26 Devastator: And the loot didn't come out, so I had to go in to take it.
10:35:32 Devastator: 1370 damage isn't that much.
10:35:46 Devastator: (in seriousness, 1700 would have been a ton.
10:36:01 Devastator: who got the saiga-12 guy?
10:36:05 Devastator: That was very well done.
10:36:26 Devastator: That looked like you'd get wasted, but you just didn't give any fucks.
10:36:53 ER: yeah what I did there was very much "saving up for the final boss during the final boss"
10:37:10 Devastator: anyway, have to quit. I got the last kill with a Mosin.
10:37:12 Devastator: never happen again.
10:37:50 ER: wasn't sure if the garand was better than the mosin last round, ended up going mosin
10:37:58 Devastator: garand is way way better.
10:38:16 Devastator: like incredibly so.
10:38:26 Devastator: They do like 10 more damage, if that.
10:39:08 ER: mosin seems good for when you can focus fire with some other people, as it tears down cover very quickly
10:39:49 Devastator: hmm, half the shot damage.
10:40:39 ER: it is kinda hilarious how slowly you go through blue ammo with the mosin compared to every other blue weapon though
10:41:06 ER: carry like 300 bullets, use 10 in one fight tops
10:54:45 syv: Just watched a guy win with 15 kills, using largely just the UMP9 (burstfire SMG) and M870 (single-loading shotty). Prior to the last two kills he picked up a mosin, but it seemed to be worse for him.
10:55:02 Devastator: the UMP9 is usable but I'm no good with it.
10:55:02 syv: Still won remarkably easily. And not hacking either, he missed a fair chunk.
10:55:06 Devastator: same with the M870.
11:01:52 syv: Beat him the very next round.
11:02:00 syv: The MAC-10 is very, very good.
11:17:53 Devastator: best weapon or best weapon?
11:18:24 ER: if only you could dual wield them, right
11:19:10 Devastator: dual wielding them would be absurd.
11:19:14 syv: I'm not actually sure I'd want to dual wield MAC-10s.
11:19:39 syv: The short reload time is a big boon to the gun. Double the shots, but also the reload time? Ehhhh.
11:19:55 Devastator: I'd take it in an instant.
11:20:01 syv: Most of my kills with it I reload at least once. It's a suppression weapon that you duck in and out of cover with.
11:20:14 syv: Plus if it actually got *more* inaccurate, well...
11:20:45 syv: Hey
ER, how will that kinetic aspect in Vessel work out?
11:20:57 ER: though as my "ha, thought you could get close to me? think again fucker" weapon the mac is tied with the double barrel
11:21:32 ER: they'll get power from being around a lot of kinetic energy?
11:21:48 Devastator: You wouldn't need to reload if you had double damage.
11:21:59 syv: Nah, MAC's definitely better than the double barrel.
11:22:22 syv: I beat it with the MAC regularly and virtually never die to it. :\
11:22:26 ER: also surprisingly good for range
11:23:28 syv: @
Dev but it wouldn't be double damage if it lost accuracy. It'd be even more of a bullet hose, so somewhat higher min and max damage, but not 200%.
11:23:44 Devastator: Why would it lose accuracy?
11:23:51 Devastator: none of the other dual wields lose accuracy.
11:27:52 syv: Yeah. It's very noticable on G18s and Deagles, and a little on M93r, and those are the only ones I ever use.
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11:48:52 syv: Hum. I don't have any counter/antimagic/"Nope" powers. Hmm.
11:49:19 syv: ...Wait, I did have one, Purity had a reflect. Replaced with Ruler's Rune. Yeah. Prolly for the best, nopes are boring.
11:50:55 Elasticly_Rigid: RR is just an expensive nope
11:52:31 syv: To an extent. It's much more interesting than most though.
11:55:32 Elasticly_Rigid: Still not entirely sure what the best use case for RR is. Seems wasteful to use something which permanently affects the area in a labyrinth, which is a temporary space.
11:55:50 Devastator: You could do it outside the labrynth.
11:55:55 Devastator: some pre-buffing or ongoing effects.
11:59:14 Devastator: or something more imaginative. You could probably corrupt familiars with it.
11:59:49 Devastator: there's also no reason you couldn't do it in your room or something.
12:00:44 Elasticly_Rigid: It combos well with Refuge, a different class's power. :P
12:01:04 Devastator: do someone else's refuge.
12:01:42 Elasticly_Rigid: Or just put it in a park or something and make that your meeting spot.
12:04:06 syv: There is a reason Sophia can't put it in her room.
12:04:16 syv: ...Does Sophia even have RR?
12:04:42 Devastator: she doesn't have a room?
12:06:00 Elasticly_Rigid: No, don't have rr
12:06:25 Elasticly_Rigid: I'm mostly equi class right now :v
12:08:29 Elasticly_Rigid: Which also makes me a little bit terrifyingly inefficient. I won't survive without teamwork...
12:10:17 Devastator: gotta take your class powers then.
12:10:24 Devastator: is Sophie not good at teamwork?
12:16:03 ER: taking class powers is my step 2 of not dying
12:16:18 ER: step 1 is to survive long enough to do step 2
12:17:18 syv: ...Why take Eq powers first then?
12:18:23 ER: because I made sophia years ago when I didn't understand this game so well, and the later levelup I mostly upgraded eq powers to make them cost less.
12:20:37 ER: also eq powers are sexy anyways
12:28:18 ER: I kinda just don't want to live in a world without mobility and regeneration, and pure isn't exactly high on damage so manabolt to go with my shotgun and I don't like level 1 powers...
12:30:12 ER: and yet my mobility and regen are still level 1. :P
12:30:24 syv: If you want to change the powers you took after eating Isabella, that would be fine. You haven't used any since, I don't think... Wait. No, triage would have to stick.
12:30:43 ER: I can't imagine how Twin can stand just not using like 4 of their power points~
12:30:53 syv: I'd say the same for any MB investment, but nah, same result no matter what you did there.
12:31:54 syv: Actually, that goes until the end of this Lab, when the next power rebalance comes through.
12:32:14 syv: Since a couple Eq powers are changing.
12:32:29 Devastator: Doesn't Mina have all her points spent?
12:33:18 syv: She just virtually never uses anything besides CC.
12:33:30 syv: Even her last couple casts were prompted.
12:33:42 Devastator: Yup. Smart route, really.
12:34:40 ER: I got 3 points for eq and pure, and I got one in manabolt for increased efficency, one in TM for increased efficency and for the totem tweaking, as a longer barrel or chain or blades could be very useful for circumstances, and I got one in immaculate for survivability and being able to go underwater and such.
12:36:22 Devastator: really? Seems like letting the others go witch and risk soul is better.
12:36:29 syv: Sandbagging is only good if you can carry yourself when your teammates die.
12:36:55 Devastator: You just kill them after the witch is dead and they have no soul.
12:37:00 Devastator: then take the gem for yourself.
12:37:11 syv: That's sociopathic, and would gain penalties.
12:37:34 ER: could reconsider the MB and TM points, but... they're both kinda things I actually want and increase efficency for stuff I'll be using either way.
12:37:36 syv: Sociopaths aren't very good at using emotion-fueled magic.
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12:38:17 ER: cheap totems rather than minor totems is a pretty big chunk
12:43:03 Devastator: "After all, this way means you can't torture Akachi by making him eat his beloved later on."
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13:28:14 syv: Ennervating Rest never sleeps.
13:35:46 syv:
ER, is it possible to take some kind of disarming action in Tactihell?
13:37:01 syv: Failing that, can I make an unarmed attack and deliberately *not* deal pain damage?
13:38:04 syv: Well stop playing your game and answer my questions. >:|
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14:14:34 ER: I feel like my request to organize into nice easy to understand team lists has been largely ignored.
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