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02:56:53 Piecewise_: "Anita Sarkeesian is fine"
02:58:54 Piecewise_: I mean, regardless of what you think of her beliefs (They're pretty bog standard in her line of academia) she's done some very shady fund raising, advocated doxing and harassing, and spread misinformation about as readily as a presidential candidate
02:59:21 Piecewise_: I really wouldn't call that "Fine"
03:00:07 ER: and now you've used that many words to retort a single throwaway line in a 40 minute video about something else entirely.
03:00:19 Piecewise_: Albeit I do understand wanting to distance yourself from criticizing her since the people doing it often go off the deep end.
03:00:36 ER: If you care that much, go yell at the guy who made the video, not me.
03:00:52 Piecewise_: I have mouth and I scream
03:01:22 Piecewise_: But really, did we need a video to tell us that 90% of what musk plans to do is bullshit?
03:02:04 Piecewise_: its pretty obvious. His spacex stuff is amazing, all things considered, but he seems to be going Edison and starting to create a bunch of untenable projects
03:02:15 Piecewise_: Next he'll have solid concrete poured houses
03:02:36 Piecewise_: I just want a future where I can go to work via pneumatic tube
03:03:00 Piecewise_: and eventually get caught in a tube traffic jam and suffocate on crushed human parts
03:03:02 ER: just make a skyscraper sized 3d printer and use that to build the tunnels
03:03:42 Piecewise_: I can tell you even if this thing came to fruition I wouldn't ride it for a while
03:03:48 ER: we have internet human transportation is obsolete grandpa
03:04:16 Piecewise_: till they get the inevitable tunnel collapsing kinks out of it
03:04:47 ER: you mean till 2000 people die in one accident and they get sued to oblivian
03:05:48 Piecewise_: Naaah I'm sure they'll have some sort of liability waiver you sign
03:06:10 Piecewise_: when you get your tube pass or whatever
03:06:19 ER: and then that won't hold up in court because it never does~
03:07:13 Piecewise_: but they'll keep it in appeals and cases for 1000 years
03:07:29 Piecewise_: long enough to divert funds, shift liability, etc
03:07:35 ER: meanwhile nobody touched the thing
03:27:56 Piecewise_: Honestly I have no idea why he's not just building bullet trains
03:28:20 ER: poor people might end up riding with you
03:28:21 Piecewise_: this shit about transporting a personal car is fractally stupid
03:29:31 Piecewise_: See, subways don't make sense in the american west because our soil is literally more difficult to tunnel through than reinforced concrete, but bullet trains are fine.
03:31:06 Piecewise_: and japan has all the good ideas
03:32:08 Piecewise_: I mean, when it comes to public transportation, japan does have some pretty good ideas
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03:43:18 Piecewise__: whats that command
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03:43:37 ER: same as it is pretty much everywhere!
03:44:08 ER: ! and . tend to be for bot commands ya know
03:49:41 piecewise: Now if I can just get this thing to export procedural doom maps we'll be in business
03:50:23 ER: use your roomba to make a doom map of your house
04:05:31 piecewise: I wonder if grid cartographer can open .wad
04:29:50 piecewise: Hmm can I export this as an image?
04:30:11 piecewise: Hey
dev, you know anything about .wad files?
04:30:18 Devastator: Went with the doom maps?
04:31:02 Devastator: maybe doug the eagle can help you.
04:31:16 ER: if grid cartographer took wads I would be quite impressed
04:31:35 piecewise: It can automap some games while you play them, though i've never played around with that capacity
04:34:03 Devastator: Just a long-ago modder who I haven't heard from for years. Updates his website at once every five years intervals.
04:34:53 Devastator: Made THE SKY MAY BE.
04:35:48 Devastator: "When I released 'The Sky May Be', I had no idea that eight years afterwards, people would still be arguing over whether it was a work of twisted genius, or the most god-awful piece of trash ever unleashed upon the world."
04:35:54 Devastator: So reminds me of you. ;-p
04:39:37 piecewise: Grumble grumble have to torrent a freaking .wad
04:40:29 Devastator: really? Can't just host a wad?
04:44:46 piecewise: Apparently Id software is anal about their 30 year old game resources
04:47:47 Devastator: Hmm, he seems to have a youtube channel that I haven't looked at.
04:48:24 Devastator: Also seems to be a furry, which is entirely unsuprising.
05:03:23 Devastator: He did seem to do one of his anti-walkthroughs on video, which is dearly tempting.
05:15:04 piecewise: well I can now I can generate infinite doom maps
05:15:26 piecewise: Now I just have to fiddle out a system for the dumb idiots to put in them
05:24:56 ER: filling an FPS with dumb idiots ain't hard
05:29:41 Devastator: The name The Sky May Be was chosen because I was experimenting with Olivier Montanuy's DEUTEX and playing with the sky. I was trying to create a sky 720ø round, with the words "REPENT, SINNER!" written in blood so it only appeared if you did two complete turns.
05:36:17 Devastator: Whatever is wrong with him, I hope they never find the cure.
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05:40:19 Devastator:
PW is working on his new game, I think.
05:40:23 Devastator: something related to doom maps.
05:41:00 syv: Ooh. I hope it ends up tactical.
05:41:19 Devastator: Neon revolver was fun.
05:42:31 syv: I should run something like that. A flavorless CQB deathmatch game.
05:43:07 syv: ...I should finish the damn mall ninja gun generator.
05:43:42 ER: maybe try running a game for a year or more
05:44:21 syv: I also have a Grief Syndrome rebalance to do, a Door Kickers balance overhaul, the DaSPvPCCG...
05:44:29 syv: I have a lot of unfinished projects. -.-
05:44:48 syv: Which was supposed to update forty minutes ago, yes.
05:46:55 Devastator: Human tetherball, here we come!
05:47:35 syv: Doesn't tetherball require a pole?
05:47:42 ER: yeah that seems like a great idea
05:47:56 syv: Your plan is more like a... discus launch?
05:47:57 Devastator: although technically we have a ball and a tether.
05:48:16 syv: For a very strange definition of ball, perhaps.
05:54:22 Devastator: not like strange ideas are a new thing with me. ;-p
06:08:37 syv: Hey,
Devastator. Roll a 1d6 for me, please.
06:13:18 syv: In the old system, it would be, but I made it less thunderdome. -.-
06:13:48 ER: wonder again how many deaths this labrynth will have. :P
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06:15:31 Devastator: fumbled the dodge, naturally.
06:15:43 Devastator: Well, we're hooped now.
06:15:52 syv: No. Dodges don't roll on d6.
06:15:58 syv: You fumbled the wound roll.
06:16:23 Devastator: I meant the dodge to not get hit in the first place.
06:16:52 syv: Well, that was fumbled when *I* rolled. So you only fumbled the other one~
06:16:52 ER: the first step to not getting shot is to not get shot at.
06:17:31 Devastator: How am I supposed to not get shot at when surrounded by the enemy, which includes the damn sky?
06:17:59 ER: Not be surrounded by the enemy~
06:18:38 Devastator: Well, so much for that.
06:18:53 Devastator: and #### it, there goes that moderate.
06:19:59 syv: (
Devastator) How am I supposed to not get shot at when surrounded by the enemy, which includes the damn sky?
06:20:21 syv: Very poor powers of observation there.
06:20:52 Devastator: ..well, what else is there?
06:20:57 syv: Think on that, though. There's a *lot* of options... though actually a lot of them would fail, for a very specific reason which will be easy.
06:21:00 Devastator: I mean, we can get blasted by artillery.
06:21:03 ER: At that moment I open the RTD subforum and see "Don't go outside"
06:21:44 Devastator: Hiding under stuff isn't really an option, that, because we're on an ash plain with some rubble, so it's about as bad a terrain as possible.
06:21:59 syv: Rubble is a bad hiding spot?
06:22:24 Devastator: Pretty much, yeah. There's no roof!
06:22:47 Devastator: I'd get slightly better odds of not getting hurt, but I wouldn't make any progress towards the target.
06:23:06 Devastator: so I'd just get hit next turn.
06:23:38 Devastator: I can't fly or anything, and I took painless, which has been pretty much a complete waste so far.
06:24:48 ER: I have seen multiple memories of Painless being totally badass. :P
06:25:04 syv: I'd feel bad, but you kinda just charged straight toward a ranged enemy with a clearly powerful attack, without taking any defensive action.
06:25:18 syv: You had a chance to dodge, but all stats have failure chance, and you got unlucky.
06:25:53 Devastator: No offense, but clustering next to the group of all the other characters wasn't a good idea, either.
06:26:36 Devastator: I suppose cover to cover might have been slightly better, but I could still have gotten unlucky.
06:26:43 Devastator: Might as well reduce the number of turns of exposure.
06:26:44 syv: But yeah, you had... three good options which would have worked, as I see them. Arguably four, but the fourth wouldn't have function for reasons.
06:27:38 Devastator: Having Mina stealth me might have helped, I suppose.
06:27:59 syv: Oh, no, if we're counting other people's actions the number goes way up.
06:28:05 Devastator: I don't know what I could have done, though. I have no ranged attacks, or no projection abilities.
06:28:11 syv: Those three were wholly on you.
06:28:28 Devastator: I might have tried to bat the explosive bolt back at the witch, but that didn't seem smart.
06:28:52 Devastator: I could have changed the order of special abilities and done Effigy first, I suppose.
06:29:20 Devastator: ..I thought I'd do painless first, though, as I'll only be closer to the source of the fire next turn, and need it more then.
06:29:50 syv: Hmm. Where do you think the fire was, on that map I posted before?
06:30:20 syv: I shouldn't discuss turns with you *before* writing them. -.-
06:31:43 Devastator: Last shot was inside the building.
06:31:48 Devastator: This shot.. dunno. Bottom of the stairs?
06:31:59 Devastator: I mean, we're right next to the dock.
06:32:23 Devastator: It's not like there's cover between my char and the stairs.
06:32:29 syv: Oh, you mean fire as in attack. I thought you meant the burning cloud. Which is far enough away Alida would be incapable of reaching it by any method.
06:32:45 Devastator: I thought the burning cloud was metaphorical.
06:33:41 Devastator: Ahh. I thought that was the witch, from the heavens.
06:33:46 Devastator: so.. middle of the lake, then?
06:33:58 syv: Since when do I speak in metaphor?
06:34:23 syv: The witch is *far* off to the left of the map. Where clouds would be, if they covered a small portion of the sky.
06:34:58 Devastator: Probably still wouldn't change things, really.
06:35:54 Devastator: a fumble and I'm dead in cover or not.
06:36:28 Devastator: ..because I'm moving?
06:36:44 Devastator: a fumble and I might trip up, or run into a familiar, or not make it to the cover which is my goal.
06:38:00 Devastator: Or the cover isn't solid enough to stop a hit.
06:38:28 Devastator: explicitly saying that I want to stay in cover as long as possible might give me better odds, but I was geninely worried I wouldn't have enough turns to get Painless up before the fight.
06:38:59 syv: Easy tasks aren't rolled for. Is there any nearby cover that would be easy to get to?
06:40:36 Devastator: in any case, two critfails is going to be death pretty much regardless of my actions.
06:42:08 syv: Nope, you're wrong. By all three methods, Alida would have survived.
06:43:26 syv: Staying? Alida wasn't in cover.
06:43:57 Devastator: Tooru was, though..
06:44:03 Devastator: sitting by the base of a wall.
06:44:19 syv: That's not cover. She's on the witch-side of the wall.
06:45:03 Devastator: Wasn't the band in cover? They were on the other side of the wall..
06:45:38 ER: they were making a lot of sound
06:47:29 syv: Also, one might wonder why she knew the exact location of the band. Even if she's indirect artillery, they're known for multiple obvious reasons.
06:47:54 Devastator: Still, if she can pitch them to hit both sides of the wall, where's the safe spot?
06:49:15 Devastator: And hell, I don't know how she even sees things.
06:49:32 Devastator: Maybe she can see through her minions. Maybe she can smell magical girl.
06:50:21 syv: It's a massive room that took up half the floorspace of an entire mansion, and they were on a raised stage in the center. She had direct line of sight. Most of the ground on the mansion side would have a wall between her and it.
06:50:43 syv: "Ah, maybe I'm just fucked no matter what I do, I don't need to be careful"
06:50:45 Devastator: Ahh. I thought she had to pitch it over the wall so that it came down.
06:51:33 syv: You assumed. And, as I said, even if she *could*, unless she magically always knows where you are, you'd have concealment and a large space to move in.
06:51:46 Devastator: and I assumed wrong.
06:51:56 Devastator: If I'd done something else, and assumed wrong there, I'd have been just as screwed.
06:52:12 Devastator: I had to make a guess.
06:52:13 syv: (
syv) You assumed. And, as I said, even if she *could*, unless she magically always knows where you are, you'd have concealment and a large space to move in.
06:52:26 syv: Your assumption doesn't make that cover useless.
06:52:40 syv: Invisibility is powerful, you should know this.
06:52:56 Devastator: I didn't want to bump into fifty angry minions running out of the mansion.
06:53:03 Devastator: That didn't seem safe either.
06:53:03 syv: and having a large solid object between you and something else is pretty good invisibility.
06:53:23 syv: They were described as leaving it, actually.
06:54:01 Devastator: Yeah, but it's a damn crowd. If I was going to run towards something dangerous, I'd rather it be something strategically important.
06:54:29 ER: not dying is strategically important
06:54:39 syv: Fair enough, you can assume such that that's a poor option. Still leaves you two useful options.
06:54:43 Devastator: bump into a badly-controlled unicorn marionette, and I'm just as screwed.
06:55:13 syv: Bah, why am I even trying. It's clear this isn't my mistake.
06:55:21 syv: Think more,
Dev. You complain constantly about other people being useless, so try setting an example.
06:55:26 Devastator: I should have done Effigy first. That was a mistake.
06:56:00 Devastator: and I should have been moving by superleap, which would have left no ground to trigger the explosions, making it harder to score a hit.
06:56:27 Devastator: sending an Effigy decoy away would have worked.
06:57:17 Devastator: or at least made it take three failures to get killed.
06:57:45 Devastator: A third one.. well, if I'd have done CC, maybe I could have carried a second of wall to act as a shield.
06:58:26 Devastator: It's also concievable I could have thrown my club to detonate an incoming round at a distance.
07:00:32 Devastator: Stealthing probably wouldn't have been a good idea. That's Cre, which is cursed. I'd figure moving faster would have kept me safer.
07:01:29 Devastator: Ahh, it's the singing, wasn't it?
07:09:50 Devastator: So would the wall thing be viable?
07:10:06 Devastator: I don't have any more ideas.
07:30:27 Devastator: Oh well, at least I hopefully drew fire for the others.
07:33:32 syv: Actually, the attack was targeted at Tooru, Alida was just in the way, and critfailed her dodge. Tooru got a perfect dodge, so if Alida hadn't hit the projectile it would have flown harmlessly past.
07:34:49 Devastator: Wait.. how'd that happen?
07:35:05 Devastator: Weren't we in different locations?
07:36:47 syv: No, she was following you, and you were like five feet apart at the start of the turn.
07:37:16 syv: Even if you hadn't been, your action had you going to Asha (who she explicitly collided with) before charging.
07:38:09 Devastator: I wanted to use the normal ribbon I got from asha.
07:42:35 Devastator: I already had it. I had two, one of which was made rubbery.
07:42:49 Devastator: No difference, though, because Tooru gave orders to follow, so presumably we were together.
07:44:36 syv: checked, you never made an action to take the rubber ribbon, and if it was in flavor text I missed it while making turns, which is how that goes.
07:45:03 Devastator: Wasn't there an action to give it to me?
07:45:04 syv: Ah, yeah, she made a ribbon that she was *already holding* rubbery.
07:45:48 Devastator: Oh, I thought I already had it.
07:46:50 Devastator: from the turn where I picked her up bodily.
07:47:49 Devastator: ahh, well, it's not relevant compared to the effects of the turn.
07:57:05 Devastator: Can you let me know next time I don't have an item I'm trying to use, though?
08:13:42 syv: I can, if I see it and think of it at the time.
08:13:55 syv: No promises, though. I suggest you check inventories before using items.
08:14:34 ER: better stick everything in my inventory
08:15:42 Devastator: I'd rather you stick me with not having it next time.
08:16:15 ER: imagine me as a cat flicking my tail annoyedly as I say that I'm waiting impatiently for a Sophia. :V
08:17:22 Devastator: You're fine. You don't have to worry about being roleplayed into a complete asshole because you're alone. ;-p
08:24:45 syv: I try and interpret actions favorably, as your characters would act. I don't want to give people outright ideas, or solve problems for you, but I do like to give the characters some autonomy and reasonableness.
08:24:58 syv: Also, yeah, Sophia is a far worse persoj than Alida.
08:25:03 syv: She just has a better excuse.
08:25:15 Devastator: You wouldn't know it from the turns sometime. /me sighs.
08:25:52 syv: Alida is a teenage girl, who often has actions to be forceful, along with cursed love/charisma.
08:25:58 Devastator: Good job I'm blown to bits now, though. Care to bet that every single person is going to blob together next turn?
08:26:12 syv: I don't bet on my players.
08:26:17 Devastator: (Of course they are. One-word orders are going to mean blobbing.)
08:26:26 Devastator: (Oh well.. got telepathy.)
08:26:32 ER: wonder what it looks like when we get a TPK
08:30:52 Devastator: Like this. Because now hiding isn't going to do much good because there's going to be a pile of famliars heading for us.
08:31:00 Devastator: so we'll die by hiding or die by bomb.
08:31:34 Devastator: The survivors from the mansion area, and the ones wandering about.
08:32:45 syv: Done, just editing the map now.
08:33:10 Devastator: I recommend making the concept of cover visible by showing craters.
08:50:08 Devastator: So.. three critfails in a row then.
08:51:04 Devastator: (I am wondering about a roll compilation, though. This labrynth has been non-stop failure for Alida.)
08:52:06 Devastator: I thought I took the hit for KM.
08:54:06 syv: It's probably not evident, but Tooru was following Alida, a bit behind and to the right. Witch launched the projectile right after Tooru got to the top. Alida dodged right, and got hit, Tooru dodged left (earlier) and completely avoided the splash.
09:02:45 ER: Guessing that Painless L2 isn't enough to compensate for missing half your body?
09:03:00 Devastator: Nope! It's been a pretty complete waste so far.
09:03:16 Devastator: I thought you said Alida deliberately took the hit to keep the stairway going.
09:03:37 ER: Too bad. That's one level off from being able to not care that you got blown in half.
09:03:42 Devastator: ..which would have made some sense, but getting hit on a shot intended for someone else doesn't mean anything.
09:03:55 Devastator: Yeah. Was a bad choice of power.
09:05:03 ER: Berserk L2 and Painless L3 means not giving a shit about being dismembered.
09:05:49 Devastator: ..Going to come up with a post.
09:05:57 Devastator: I don't think I'll grovel, though. It'd be OOC..
09:06:04 Devastator: I'll just give it up.
09:06:51 ER: Now let's see Tooru get 5 good rolls in a row and solo the boss.
09:08:17 Devastator: Yeah, the other players don't want to be here. I'll just let it end.
09:10:11 Devastator: You can write out the suffering, and play with Sophie and a few other people who do want to play.
09:10:31 Devastator: (Or maybe they'll pull it out. I'm doubtful though.)
09:13:00 ER: "oh well guess I'll just die"
09:13:49 syv: As it happens, Alida can force regen.
09:14:15 Devastator: Does she know about witching?
09:14:23 syv: It's a rules change whivh was going to be made explicit after this lab, but which has been used before for TM.
09:14:35 syv: Yes, unless you want her not to.
09:15:47 syv: Forcing works as L1 and makes the power cost an extra stage, or moderate if that's higher. Not sure if Alida has enough to survive that, didn't check. Probably not, to be fair.
09:15:51 Devastator: Nah. Forcing Regen would probably be something like +1 cost, putting it at finale.
09:15:56 Devastator: She doesn't even come close.
09:16:05 Devastator: Maybe a quarter of what's needed.
09:16:29 syv: Autokill if she does that.
09:16:51 Devastator: Major is also an autokill, really.
09:16:52 syv: Regen should probably be cheaper. :P
09:16:58 Devastator: so regen 2 would be hopeless as well.
09:47:36 syv: We never finished John Wick versus Magical Girls.
ER's MG escaped and planned to hunt Wick down in the future, but we never did that.
09:50:06 syv: Reading through old logs. It's entertaining.
09:51:57 Devastator: Well.. what do you think would have came from an asshole getting killed with a bunch of people she hates who she thinks hate her?
09:52:09 Devastator: I know she doesn't hate them.
09:52:28 syv: I disagree with several of these statements, but if you want your char to suicide, that is fine.
09:54:12 syv: Alida hating all the others (purely up to you, it never came across that way to me), and her thinking the others hate her (she struck me as being annoyed with them, feeling they were incompetent, not hating her). Asshole is debatable, but is a non-sequitur regardless.
09:54:40 Devastator: A lot of the hate stuff was internal thoughts. It wasn't her liking them and expressing herself badly.
09:55:02 Devastator: I don't think you've had her think a single positive thought about anyone.
09:55:15 Devastator: that is, the other characters.
09:56:02 syv: You've pretty much never said anything positive about them, and Alida has been heavily affected by your statements.
09:56:15 syv: IC, she still has a family, but you can justify that if you like.
09:56:48 Devastator: I've done that a lot, actually. I've been annoyed at the characters, but there's many times where I've said that I like the players and am more than willing to put up with momentary annoyance.
09:57:59 syv: I'm not the only writer. If you feel that Alida wouldn't hate them based on her experiences, then she doesn't. If you do, she does.
09:58:17 syv: If I've written her contrary, you should state such do I can write her more accurately.
09:58:53 Devastator: I don't want her to suicide, but I don't think she'd want to be soulgemmed with the other people.
09:59:00 Devastator: I'll think about it some more.
09:59:01 syv: ...I absolutely have written positive thoughts from her perspective. Aleksandra's exuberance and friendliness after waking up made Alida smile, reminding her of her siblings.
10:00:04 syv: Beyond that, I don't know. I've forgotten most of the game, frankly. It's old.
10:01:09 Devastator: Just please don't write her to be such an unrepetant asshole, okay?
10:01:24 syv: Oh! The other thing is that Alida strikes me as an aggressive person who lashes out when stressed. Most of the time, when she's written as negative, it's because something bad happened.
10:01:38 syv: Ok. Is she not suiciding, then?
10:01:44 Devastator: I'll give it a turn.
10:02:06 Devastator: If someone bothers to telepathy her or come over, I won't do it.
10:02:11 Devastator: If they don't care, yeah.
10:02:30 syv: Well don't take too long. If she bleeds out before smashing her gem, then she'll only be able to suicide by witching.
10:02:47 Devastator: Well, that's one turn then.
10:02:58 ER: Doesn't critical damage cause witch anyway?
10:03:08 Devastator: Tell you what, I'll post it without the 'suicide' bit.
10:03:21 Devastator: If she's dying, have her do it.
10:03:38 Devastator: If someone comes by or telepathies her, have her not do it.
10:03:48 Devastator: If she stays alone and nobody says anything, have her do it.
10:04:13 Devastator: it should be pretty clear from the thoughts what's going on.
10:05:29 Devastator: besides, there were some similar scenes from the show.
10:10:10 Devastator: (dying while low on soul)
10:10:41 syv: Being sad while low on soul.
10:10:59 syv: How interesting that the brave in PS is behaving much like the brave in PM3.
10:11:54 ER: Blue refused to give up even in the face of debilitating sorrow.
10:12:38 Devastator: You mean red, right?
10:12:56 syv: Sayaka was the Brave, Kyoko was the Joy.
10:13:17 syv: Kyoko was making a heroic sacrifice, Sayaka was basically being a death seeker.
10:13:37 Devastator: Blue would be the joy, really.
10:13:53 ER: Attempting to keep trying despite the fact that you're unable to do anything useful in your current state.
10:13:55 syv: Yes, because she's so joyful.
10:14:30 syv: Kyoko was outwardly and aggressively happy. Sayaka was more about being a hero and sacrificing for others.
10:14:45 syv: I mean, I did put thought into this.
10:15:45 ER: Trying to be the biggest hero possible even when it's obviously a horrible idea.
10:15:54 Devastator: Well, whatever. If you don't think it's totally out there it'll be okay.
10:24:56 Devastator: so is it totally out ther?
10:33:00 ER: You might give up. I don't see why now would be the time, though.
10:34:05 Devastator: ..because evidently they dont' like me enough to shoot me in the head? ;-p
10:34:45 Devastator: and when I was out of it with cake, nobody bothered to talk back to me? Like at all?
10:35:02 Devastator: Just one way chatting while I was out of my mind and had no idea what was going on?
10:36:17 ER: A moment ago you were charging forwards to kill the witch. All that's changed since then was you getting half your body exploded.
10:36:25 ER: And that's no reason to give up!~
10:36:26 syv: That would be easier to write off as being an effect of the being out of your mind...
10:37:18 syv: Suiciding now is a bit jarring, but it's not unbelievable. If Alida believes she was the only shot at winning, or thinks the witch is just too powerful, she could feel that they're doomed.
10:38:20 syv: She seems far too prideful and competent to think that she's doing them a favor by suiciding, and is too family driven to just do it out of dislike for the other MGs, but even then you could write it off as stress, or lingering effects from the hallucinogens.
10:38:45 Devastator: I think the others could do it, but if I have to literally pick them up to keep them doing things.. I could see doubt.
10:40:56 syv: It's easy to write a character as having any of multiple different opinions, due to emotions, and flawed information/perceptions. Anything goes.
10:43:02 Devastator: Good. I kinda want to be talked out of it.
10:53:55 Devastator: Heh, I like your interpretation, Egan.
10:55:00 Devastator: But we'll see if anyone does anything. Up to them, really.
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11:14:30 ER: dammit, I want... cornbread
11:15:22 ER: also, I'm awake too late. big hmm
11:15:52 ER: I'll need to... consider finding cornbread tomorrow/today?
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11:18:50 Devastator: I do like how you said the other day that Alida would have the best chance of survival. ;-p
11:20:10 Devastator: How? She's dead inside a witch's labrynth.
11:24:14 Devastator: I mean, she isn't going to survive unless someone else does.
11:28:18 syv: Everyone else has to have someone survive too. Themselves. And Alida, unless she's revived, will be alive too.
11:28:53 syv: She therefore has the best chances, by dint of being least capable of getting herself killed. Assuming no suicide, of course.
11:30:43 Devastator: That's close, but not quite right.
11:31:15 Devastator: I think she could still die easily, if something just breaks her defenceless gem.
11:31:24 Devastator: Which is going to be quite possible, given all the enemies around.
11:35:48 Devastator: plus alive and soulgemmed inside a witch's labrynth is a terrible ending.
11:37:35 Devastator: I see your reasoning, though.
11:37:42 Devastator: if it isn't a TPK, Alida would probably live.
11:41:36 Devastator: However, I think it's possible for the others to survive alone.
11:42:36 syv: Sasha could. It's just very, very, very unlikely.
11:43:37 Devastator: more or less unlikely than three consecutive fails?
11:47:53 Devastator: I should stop whining.
11:48:12 syv: Whining is the soul of loss.
11:50:34 syv: Playing DaS II. Keep using Warmth.
11:51:00 Devastator: I thought you only played the first one.
11:55:03 syv: DaS II is better in a few ways, and much worse in many more/
11:58:24 Devastator: It's the last screen of the 50 levels in the third column, dammit.
12:15:54 Devastator: If there's a TPK, is the next batch going to be
ER's char and one ward?
12:17:42 syv: Probably more than just Sophia, but it depends on who's interested in playing.
12:21:33 Devastator: Maybe Sophia, two characters who have been waiting, and one ward from someone who hasn't been waiting or wants another char, who isn't me.
12:36:06 Devastator: (Not me because of suicide.)
12:46:25 Devastator: What's better about DS II?
12:50:06 syv: Character is ambidextrous, so you can wield weapons equally well regardless of which hand. Backstabs are initiated by a punch, and if the punch misses, backstab doesn't work. Kicks are replaced by a guard-breaking bash, which rewards the basher with a riposte if the bashee was blocking. Magic is fun, useful, and balanced.
12:55:48 syv: Enemies, animations, areas, stats, general balance, story, bosses, uhhh...
12:56:21 syv: Oh, you can restat in this game too, which is great. I think that's one of the things DaS III kept?
12:56:42 syv: There's also powerstances, which are basically dual wielding movesets.
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13:02:51 Piecewise: 5am here in the land of oz
13:03:48 Piecewise: I call it the land of oz because I'm pretty sure my house is being flown away in a tornado
13:04:09 Piecewise: Its very stormy out and I wanted to check that my cats weren't outside being stormed
13:05:22 Piecewise: One simple trick: Cats hate it
13:07:56 Piecewise: Huh there's a manga named "Do You Like Your Mom? Her Normal Attack is Two Attacks at Full Power"
13:09:30 Piecewise: Hello Michael Jackson
13:09:54 Devastator: Don't cats come in when it's a tornado?
13:10:13 Piecewise: Well, I'd have to let them in, there's no doggie door or anything
13:10:31 Piecewise: Too many scorpions round here for that.
13:11:10 Piecewise: I generally don't let them out before I go to bed, but sometimes my wife, when she's on call, lets them out as she leaves
13:11:38 Piecewise: I've been married for over 5 years
13:12:14 Piecewise: I also have a girl friend. We all live in the same house.
13:12:53 syv: I honestly don't know whether to believe any of this.
13:13:17 Piecewise: Everything I say is a lie
13:13:24 Devastator: One would have to be a cat and the other a robot for it to be an anime.
13:13:43 Piecewise: Gynoid, thank you very much
13:17:04 Piecewise: 27 rounds till next tournament in salty bet
sy.
13:18:26 syv: Poor internet ATM, and I'll be sleeping soon besides.
13:18:41 syv: Random fights seem more fun anyway.
13:25:28 Devastator: Nak started another game.
13:25:34 Devastator: I'll watch it if there's a link,
PW.
13:27:49 Devastator: Now, is it better than listening to David Attenborough narrate game demolishing?
13:30:28 Devastator: okay, robot vs dbz character.
13:30:58 Devastator: well, nobody died during character introductions.
13:31:39 Devastator: what kind of mupen is this?
13:32:33 syv: Aside from the others, of course.
13:33:47 Devastator: I see why this is called potato tier.
13:34:57 Devastator: are round 3s common?
13:36:34 Piecewise: Ah here's a fight we can all enjoy
13:36:47 Devastator: Whoever wins, we lose?
13:37:23 Devastator: Is there going to be an upset?
13:38:15 Devastator: I would have liked to see a 6-1 upset. ;-p
13:39:58 Piecewise: not often, but it does
13:40:07 Piecewise: I've seen 20:1 upsets
13:40:26 Devastator: So a werewolf against Haggar.
13:41:18 Devastator: Time to bet on the pig.
13:41:47 Devastator: ferer animation frames = win. ;-p
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13:43:37 Piecewise: Its hard to say with ones like that
13:45:22 Piecewise: I don't know why she was meowing
13:45:31 Devastator: who the hell knows.
13:45:36 Devastator: Well, this looks ok.
13:45:44 Devastator: Mallow sucks, btw. ;-p
13:47:49 Devastator: battle edgelord here.
13:47:56 Devastator: Was that random or did someone pick that?
13:48:47 Devastator: well, this is going pretty one sided.
13:50:06 Piecewise: There are a lot of characters in higher tiers that are there just because they have some bullshit "No, I win" tech.
13:50:08 Devastator: so that one's basically if the super comes out or not.
13:50:55 Piecewise: Like in the S tourney yesterday there was some anime lady who just auto broke out of combos and did a super at low life
13:51:36 Piecewise: which is pretty good against all these "Combo to death" characters
13:52:10 Devastator: Is there another tier for characters that are exclusively made of 'I win' stuff?
13:53:28 Piecewise: Roll's idle animation honestly just looks like she's about to lift her skirt up
13:53:55 Piecewise: I think its the odd way she holds her arms
13:58:47 Piecewise: Author name in the character name
13:58:51 Devastator: Well this looks terrible.
13:58:53 Piecewise: thats how you know its good
13:59:31 Devastator: I like the complete lack of knockback there.
13:59:59 Devastator: Ahh, that's how it was supposed to win.
14:00:38 Devastator: "Hey, I want to make this the character, but I only have a couple frames for it."
14:01:19 Piecewise: My frame budget is low
14:01:30 Piecewise: gotta wait for my next frame paycheck
14:02:13 Devastator: "So I'm just gonna steal the rest from Megama."
14:02:53 Devastator: Well, that was a walkover.
14:03:02 Devastator: (I can't log in, so haven't placed any.)
14:03:18 Piecewise: where's
sy when you need him
14:03:39 Devastator: Busy killing my Pumsy's character due to utterly trash rolls. ;-p
14:04:00 Devastator: I've had some bad luck in forum game rolls lately.
14:04:28 Devastator: failure, critfail, critfail, dead.
14:04:46 Devastator: Ahh, the I Win button.
14:05:29 Piecewise: Luckily I bet close to nothing on these
14:07:08 Piecewise: But I bet 100 on the head this time
14:07:35 Devastator: well, this looks good.
14:09:30 Devastator: well that was unpredictable.
14:10:13 Devastator: This one is looking like a possibility.
14:10:26 Piecewise: I bet on the umbrella so I home
14:10:39 Devastator: nah, there's the unstoppable endless combo win.
14:10:54 Piecewise: I think sometimes it comes down to AI coding
14:11:09 Devastator: If it triggers it, or if it can break it?
14:11:32 Devastator: Someone get that man some pants.
14:12:33 Piecewise: I think sometimes the AI of a character just ain't able to deal with certain tactics or attacks
14:12:41 Devastator: Hmm, intereting, odds against blue, but one guy put down 226k.
14:13:21 Piecewise: I'm not sure how people get so much money
14:13:37 Devastator: betting both sides? Dunno.
14:14:33 Devastator: Those are low damage hits.
14:14:46 Piecewise: Hamburglar has some Canadian damage.
14:15:17 Devastator: I mean, if they did any damage, it'd be another tier up.
14:15:53 Piecewise: Unstoppable million hit combos balanced by shit damage
14:16:12 Devastator: Yeah, it might actually be shit enough damage so that works.
14:16:55 Devastator: This looks more mundane.
14:19:22 Devastator: I hope the next match is a potato.
14:20:31 Piecewise: looks like a 7:1 upset here
14:21:00 Devastator: Nah, that was the 7:1 favorite winning.
14:21:03 Piecewise: ah,nope, misread yeah
14:21:38 Devastator: Crono trigger music.
14:22:00 Devastator: Well, this is going to be incomprehensable.
14:23:04 Devastator: Yeah, basically shouldn't even be in the same tier mismatch there.
14:23:20 Devastator: okay, so how do these tourneys work?
14:24:52 Devastator: back to Attenborough.
14:26:59 Piecewise: They work by giving you a small starting amount
14:27:05 Devastator: Man, the SNES titles today.
14:27:25 Piecewise: Lets see what I can make on this tourney
14:27:41 Devastator: This is from Tales of Evermore, IIRC.
14:28:19 Devastator: not a bad fight, actually.
14:29:33 Devastator: 3-0, but not without entertainment.
14:29:58 Piecewise: Geez, I dunno on this one
14:30:08 Devastator: Bet against the ball and chain.
14:31:14 Piecewise: she has no hit recovery
14:31:25 Devastator: basically nobody does.
14:31:35 Piecewise: it she wins or not depends if he just gets too close
14:31:38 Devastator: good lord, that's a broken move.
14:32:19 Devastator: Told ya, bet against ball and chain. ;-p
14:32:47 Devastator: This looks unpredictable.
14:33:03 Piecewise: 2hu vs 6 swords? Bloodbath
14:33:45 Devastator: 6 swords probably good for next round, though.
14:34:02 Devastator: looks like a strong bracket matchup.
14:34:23 Devastator: Ahh, perfect music here.
14:34:41 Devastator: Yeah, whoever wins this looks good next round.
14:35:35 Piecewise: that could go either way
14:35:37 Devastator: I'm going to go against type and bet on knucks.
14:35:46 Devastator: terrible 3d model would normally win, but I feel unlucky right now.
14:36:10 Piecewise: All in on Ugandan knuckles.
14:36:26 Piecewise: seems other people felt the same way
14:36:41 Devastator: 1 paying 1.9 is still decent odds.
14:37:02 Devastator: Still, not too skinny.
14:37:07 Piecewise: Knuckles and knuckles featuring Knuckles from Knuckles may cry
14:37:27 Devastator: Ahh, good to see why the other guy is in this tier, though.
14:38:01 Devastator: That really throw heavy AI might do it favors forward.
14:38:20 Devastator: I'll skip this one.
14:38:37 Piecewise: yeah, actual fighting game character vs low quality sonic can go either way
14:38:53 Piecewise: Much like a mexican dbz character
14:39:34 Devastator: Well, this looks punchy.
14:39:54 Piecewise: Sonic is clearly in this tier because his 3 hit 100% combo
14:40:15 Piecewise: Heh, he got counter spindashed
14:40:24 Devastator: That would make really unpredictable matches. But yeah, Sai looks rough too.
14:40:45 Devastator: I'll take 'bet against big guy' here. ALthough I'm not confident.
14:40:51 Devastator: the gross meter is a detriment.
14:40:57 Piecewise: I recognize him from some game
14:41:18 Piecewise: but I don't think he has much combo potential
14:41:51 Devastator: oh, please have called an upset.
14:42:21 Piecewise: I only bet 20% on her but looks like it may pay off alright
14:43:07 Devastator: bam, that feels good.
14:43:32 Devastator: I think you're obligated on the bone.
14:43:42 Devastator: although I don't feel good.
14:44:24 Piecewise: a weird one I think thats a Killer instinct cross primal instinct character
14:45:10 Devastator: That's some pretty cheesy range there.
14:45:20 Piecewise: never bet against aime
14:45:30 Devastator: Sheesh, yeah, not a chance.
14:47:30 Devastator: Well, that looks potent enough.
14:47:46 Devastator: SM was a fairly weak winner, but so was the other guy.
14:48:07 Piecewise: I'll go all in on her
14:48:27 Piecewise: Though I feel like terry might clinch it out
14:49:11 Piecewise: If she just spams that flyign kick thing, we'd be good
14:49:43 Piecewise: Casual 40% with that
14:49:46 Devastator: It'd carry her to S tier?
14:51:10 Devastator: Too bad, that'd have put you in the top 10, probably.
14:51:17 Devastator: oh, thought you were outta cash.
14:51:35 Piecewise: You always start with some bailout cash even if you lose it all
14:51:49 Devastator: so max bet the first two matches.
14:52:18 Piecewise: the people who win are usually ones who go all in for every match and win every match
14:52:38 Piecewise: statistically possible but hard
14:53:14 Devastator: Yeah, but looks like you're in good shape.
14:53:32 Piecewise: yeah, 2hu is hard to fight with their billion projectiles
14:53:33 Devastator: although sadly you won't win anything.
14:53:41 Devastator: Yeah, that's touhou.
14:53:57 Devastator: although I'd take that all-thrower in the next bracket over that one.
14:54:27 Devastator: Yeah, hear guy here.
14:54:37 Devastator: but this gonna ba a fast one.
14:54:45 Piecewise: one way or the other
14:55:23 Piecewise: well, its gonna be a hell of an upset if you were right
14:55:33 Piecewise: I was pretty sure the girl would win
14:55:37 Piecewise: she's got spam for days
14:55:57 Devastator: Yeah. I just lumped the last two brackets as 'way better than the upper one', and didn't remember the last one being this much better than the second last one.
14:57:07 Devastator: Prolly the overall winner there.
14:57:09 Piecewise: Never took his hands out of his pickets
14:57:12 Devastator: Just too much spam.
14:57:44 Piecewise: he had good rushdown
14:57:46 Devastator: Yeah, this was another really fast one.
14:57:59 Piecewise: she spams but I think he can counter it
14:58:21 Devastator: very heavy favorite there.
14:58:52 Devastator: Ooh, someone's going to be salty.
14:59:09 Piecewise: His ai seems not very optimized
14:59:11 Devastator: Look at those two guys at top max bracket who might lose it all.
14:59:23 Devastator: This is a pretty incredible corner stand.
14:59:31 Devastator: Couldn't make it, but damn.
14:59:52 Devastator: First one was a fluke I guess.
14:59:54 Piecewise: He does really inconsistent damage.
15:00:06 Piecewise: some does massive, some does nothing
15:00:20 Devastator: That's still very good at tanking in a corner.
15:00:36 Devastator: Well, this looks obvious.
15:00:47 Piecewise: she can actually combo
15:00:47 Devastator: Yeah, Terry was very adequate.
15:01:07 Piecewise: hes like...a fighting game character or something
15:01:39 Devastator: and the winner here will lose the final.
15:02:16 Piecewise: Making a sweet 94 dollars off this
15:02:55 Devastator: Oh, I'd love to see an upset, but it's not happening.
15:03:21 Piecewise: He's doing better than I expected
15:03:36 Piecewise: I expected 3-0 blowout
15:03:45 Devastator: but it's not even close, really.
15:03:49 Devastator: and she'll lose the final.
15:04:02 Devastator: This should be fun.
15:04:07 Devastator: even better spammer than his last matchup.
15:04:21 Devastator: Eh, take the undead?
15:04:39 Devastator: winner here wins tourney, though.
15:04:51 Piecewise: He's not undead. He's the main villain from samurai X
15:05:11 Devastator: "I am not left handed."
15:05:34 Piecewise: I think he has a lot of HP too
15:05:52 Piecewise: this is a minor upset
15:06:03 Devastator: Yeah.. but it isn't like Shishio is weak.
15:06:13 Devastator: That's not a weak character there.
15:06:23 Devastator: Hah, looks like nobody has a perfect max bet bracket.
15:06:27 Devastator: That one broke one of the guys.
15:06:34 Piecewise: Gonna guess he wins, with a super unbalanced ratio
15:07:17 Piecewise: wow, not as unbalanced as I thought
15:07:25 Devastator: There's something I don't know about.
15:07:56 Piecewise: shit she got that damage though
15:07:58 Devastator: Yeah, something I didn't know about there.
15:09:08 Piecewise: He has an amazing rush down but she seems to just casually combo him to death
15:09:22 Devastator: something I didn't know. He had a hole in his game.
15:09:39 Piecewise: the hole was he only wakes up some times
15:09:41 Devastator: kills anything in front of him, and faced someone who could teleport to his rear.
15:10:06 Piecewise: Someone whou teleports behind and 100% combos him
15:10:15 Devastator: Did better blind than with info.
15:11:25 Devastator: "HE WAS A FUCKING JOBBER THE ENITRE TIME"
15:11:53 Devastator: Back to Attenborough!
15:11:57 Piecewise: You thought it was tournament winner? No, it was me! Jobber!
15:12:09 Devastator: some people knew, and some didn't.
15:13:46 Devastator: "In other words, you can now summon an unlimited number of wolves whenever you want."
15:14:03 Piecewise: ah that anti-walkthrough
15:14:16 Devastator: He apparently put it on video.
15:14:35 Devastator: Great voice for narration, too.
15:16:43 Devastator: Sadly, I never got to pull off most of the stuff I wanted to do in my Skyrim broken playthrough.
15:17:05 Devastator: I wanted to get kidnapped from the realm of madness by the assassin guild.
15:17:39 Piecewise: Is there such a thing as a non-broken skyrim playthrough?
15:17:42 Devastator: I did think I could manage to get an execution scene to override a major battle scene, which might have been fun.
15:18:11 Devastator: Well.. I was doing some pretty weird stuff.
15:18:26 Devastator: but nothing really groundbreaking.
15:20:15 Devastator: I did break a few quests a bit, leading to at least one case where a guy says "Give me that" because I'd taken the quest item he was supposed to give me.
15:20:46 Devastator: so he takes it from my inventory in order to turn around and give it back to me.
15:21:28 Devastator: It wasn't that fun, though, the game just didn't demand enough from the player for me to do anything truly remarkable. Too many things that were just 'Press E to succeed."
15:22:20 Piecewise: Whenever people talk about skyrim I am compelled to post this
15:24:51 Devastator: "Why are you turning me into a werewolf before we go on the mission where we fight people geared to kill werewolves?"
15:25:18 Piecewise: because werewolves for life bro
15:25:39 Piecewise: Are you over there trying NOT to be a werewolf?
15:25:48 Devastator: I did have fun with that. Nobody there can get mad at you properly, so you can do all kinds of strange things.
15:26:34 Devastator: There are no attacks while in water.
15:26:45 Devastator: so all he can do is give me a dirty look.
15:26:53 Piecewise: No attacks in the water, no racism in the dark
15:27:46 Devastator: Are you kidding? They left the morrowind glitch in skyrim?
15:28:47 Devastator: (I didn't know because I was playing a character who didn't earn skill ups or use shouts.)
15:29:05 Devastator: Ahh, assassinating the ~2 NPCs who aren't immortal.
15:29:59 Devastator: Ahh, weakness stacking in Oblivion. I knew about that, but never did it.
15:33:32 Devastator: I did kill Mehrunes Dagon using that bug, but that takes a lot less time.
15:34:54 Devastator: I do more about the morrowind alchemy glitch, but I like how it's in there.
15:36:25 Piecewise: I feel like the same glitch is in every game because they've just been using the same engine in every game
15:36:45 Devastator: Oblivion had a new engine.
15:36:48 Devastator: ..and so did Skyrim.
15:36:53 Devastator: They just looked similar.
15:37:18 Devastator: Thanks for the link, though.
15:39:24 Piecewise: I'm pretty sure they didn't
15:39:32 Piecewise: I know oblivion to skyrim wasn't
15:39:43 Piecewise: they just modified the game byro engine
15:42:40 Devastator: Obliv was definately new, though. There were huge compatability issues with it.
15:43:59 Piecewise: They've been using the same one for a long time, just modifying it
15:44:14 Piecewise: which is probably why skyrim feels like something from the early 2000's
15:45:13 Devastator: Nah, Morrowind had a different engine.
15:45:19 Devastator: So it did change between those two.
15:46:07 Piecewise: Not according to todd howard
15:46:49 Piecewise: Maybe an earlier version
15:46:55 Piecewise: or they modified it heavily
15:47:17 Devastator: ..Probably. There were an awful lot of new features in Obliv.
15:48:01 Piecewise: I mean, that doesn't mean an engine change
15:48:15 Piecewise: Look at the list of games made with that engine
15:48:30 Piecewise: no reason they can't just add more features
15:48:52 Devastator: Eh.. sometimes you can't.
15:49:06 Devastator: Is it always the same engine if it's produced by the same company?
15:49:18 Devastator: How much has to change?
15:53:17 Piecewise: But there is a fair bit that says the same
15:53:50 Piecewise: Between obl and sky I feel like the graphics got better but basically the rest was the same
15:54:25 Piecewise: Its particularly clear with character and npc animations and such
15:54:34 Piecewise: they're pretty famously not great
15:55:55 Devastator: I was more annoyed by game design choices.
15:56:52 Devastator: one guild per town, no NPCs that actually do anything, character backstops so you could never get in trouble, etcetera.
15:57:07 Devastator: It just felt like a smaller game.
15:57:21 Devastator: Plus the terrible animations.
15:57:35 Devastator: I mean, Dark Souls shows you what good animations can do for a game.
16:02:52 Devastator: Heh, you know you're doing something right when you see a message like that.
16:08:31 Devastator: Hmm.. I wonder if he change the next trial bit in the following part. There was an innovation he didn't do in his original.
16:15:00 Devastator: Can Ape be used to make seeking ammunition in Cabal?
16:33:26 Devastator: "It really is a shame you can't quite untether a game from reality quite so neatly and still complete it these days."
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17:09:46 Piecewise: straight up bluescreen of death there
17:09:52 Piecewise: first in a very long time
17:10:03 Piecewise: So yes, Ape can be used for tracking
17:10:16 Piecewise: though it will probably just track whatever is closest
17:15:34 Devastator: Would it work better if fired by a non-ape?
17:16:49 Devastator: Ahh, it's not a big deal. I gotta fix this conduit guy, hold a meeting, do some boozy parties, and get digging.
17:17:50 Devastator: A shitload of speed should be able to score hits anyway.
17:18:01 Piecewise: It would probably work fine so long as you fire at a group an don't care who gets hit
17:23:46 Devastator: So how do you normally find words? Read books on the subject? Distill some water and look at the internal reflection on the underside of the water in a bottle?
17:26:14 Devastator: Oh well. I guess I'll just try stuff.
17:34:34 Devastator: I've got another idea, but I don't think I'll ask that one. Rather just be suprised.
17:36:25 Piecewise: usually they're in ruins and on ancient things
17:40:30 Devastator: Ahh, okay. Can't hunt for specific ones, then.
17:44:14 Devastator: I'm full up now anyway.
17:50:46 Piecewise: Oh I couldn't eat another word, no thank you
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18:58:44 midnightjaguar: All I know about Bethesda’s Enginge is that they used the same engine on for Fallout 76 as they’ve used for both Skyrim and Fallout 4.
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20:07:13 Piecewise: Fallout 76 is the mark of quality
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