00:00:06 Devastator: It'd prove it for me..
00:00:11 Devastator: and if I"m making the theory up, that's what counts.
00:04:08 Devastator: The all-star is the AI in charge of the ancient simulation-verse, right?
00:04:42 Devastator: oh, thought that's what that was. I haven't seen much of many recent strips.
00:04:46 ER: the all-star is the name of the structure itself, not any particualr AI.
00:05:29 Devastator: Eh, if it can express an opinion, then I think I'll call it an AI. Although it might be a parliament or hive-mind thing. A lot of AIs are distributed in SM already, though.
00:06:25 ER: It's the ethos of the formerly-organic people who built it in the first place.
00:06:51 ER: Who resumably have some sort of leadership structure between themselves, but that's not stated.
00:07:07 Devastator: because I know it's ancient, I know that much.
00:07:18 ER: They don't like editing people against their will, but they might have willingly formed a hive-mind at some point.
00:07:21 Devastator grumbles about how every single thing is super-ancient and found yesterday. ;-p
00:07:40 Devastator: And that's what expresses those opinions?
00:08:22 ER: we have two characters native to the all-star who we talk to
00:08:57 Devastator: Oh, okay. I thought it might be a gestalt or a hive mind or an AI or something else. It's two exectives or ambassadors?
00:10:41 ER: we also see a third character called Evvin first, who is apparantly a "probability manifold". he doesn't say much before getting shut up though. He was being mean to the newbies
00:11:09 Devastator: Hmm, that sounds a little esoteric to me.
00:11:20 Devastator: Might be pacing issues.
00:11:37 ER: you can read forwards from there and get it, I think.
00:11:53 Devastator: I'd rather not get into reading it again, I'll just get angrier.
00:12:08 Devastator: That said, though, thanks for answering my questions.
00:13:07 ER: the green dinosaur person is one of the people who were investigating the object. the all-star uploaded them into their virtual space and then placed agents into their now-empty bodies.
00:13:45 ER: They used technology for editing people's minds, but in such a way that nobody died or got modified without permission.
00:14:14 ER: They see MOVING them without permission as okay because they were posing a threat to the all-star's security
00:14:53 Devastator: Which, of course, means they totally wouldn't edit anyone..
00:15:19 Devastator: That is a pretty authoritarian outlook, though.
00:15:47 Devastator: Nobody who we deem a threat is allowed to operate in the space which is our universe is pretty extreme.
00:16:38 Devastator: Yeah. I think 'getting angrier' would have been something that would have happened.
00:16:53 Devastator: If you don't need permission, you don't even make treaties or anything!
00:16:59 ER: It's pretty extreme and they took the stance because not being secret started a war that killed half the galaxy and almost got them killed.
00:18:24 Devastator: Maybe that's why Petey's doing it in secret then, too.
00:20:11 Devastator: Also sounds like a stagnant society, too. Is there room for innovation when everyone's inside a box?
00:20:25 ER: Basically their story was that they offered everyone the choice to get uploaded volentarially. Some civilization took issue with the very thought that anyone would be uploaded and started killing anyone who could possibly accept the offer. The all-star was forced to upload all those people to save them from death, and had to do so fast enough that asking permission wasn't an option.
00:21:01 Devastator: The box is never big enough.
00:21:24 Devastator: "You aren't allowed to die."
00:21:30 ER: the physical universe is a box, too.
00:21:48 Devastator: So no sense in making smaller boxes.
00:22:09 ER: what do you think of Crash not being allowed to die, then? :P
00:22:48 ER: he was saved because of the chance that when the world's fixed, he wouldn't want to die anymore.
00:23:13 Devastator: Eh. I can see that justification, but I'm not sure that's the right choice.
00:23:47 Devastator: I can understand that choice being made, but it might be wrong.
00:25:07 Devastator: They're almost out of space then.
00:25:10 ER: which, if you ask me, sounds like a box that's LARGER than the real world
00:25:14 Devastator: How long has it been going?
00:25:47 ER: Of course, there's only one. They could build more of them, too.
00:26:08 Devastator: Exponential math's a harsh mistress, though.
00:26:11 ER: They apparantly had one under contruction but had to sacrifice it in the war.
00:26:31 Devastator: How long has it been running?
00:27:01 ER: I don't remember off the top of my head.
00:27:25 Devastator: Important factor, though, because it's half-full now. That means it's one doubling from being completely full.
00:27:52 Devastator: If the entire galactic population is a fraction of one percent, that implies that whoever they put in there first has had lots of doublings in whatever time has passed.
00:28:26 ER: not quite half-full, after having taken in many times more than the current population of the milky way, and they still can build more.
00:28:53 Devastator: The math does not look good.
00:29:01 Devastator: Either you let people die, or the math is terrible.
00:29:11 ER: I don't think their population goes up inside the star
00:29:54 Devastator: Yeah it does. At the very least memory capacity would increase without bound.
00:30:06 Devastator: That's even if they utterly ban the concept of new people.
00:30:46 Devastator: Because a purely computorial construct consumes memory to continue existing.
00:31:10 ER: each person is granted a certain piece of hardware to run on, and "upgrades are available"
00:31:14 Devastator: If events are experienced and the people inside the simulation do things, they need to remember them for it to happen.
00:31:30 ER: you only get more hardware to use if you're granted it by whoever's in charge
00:31:50 Devastator: Mmm, so they did ban reproduction at least. That helps somewhat.
00:32:24 Devastator: Still, if you're deleting brains, how's that different than allowing death to occur?
00:33:27 Devastator: or, in a more straightforward question, isn't forgetting things brain editing?
00:33:57 ER: Ennesby has needed to delete parts of himself to fit into less powerful brains.
00:34:56 Devastator: and I'm the one who thinks that Petey, at least, is perfectly happy to edit people secretly to help accomplish his goals.
00:38:08 Devastator: giving examples of other societies that have done similar, if different things, with various justifications, in the comic doesn't seem to work against that theory one bit.
00:39:29 ER: But we have no evidence that Petey is okay with that, and the default stance of everyone else in the comic is that it's not okay.
00:40:39 ER: You can't really say the comic is too pro-authoritarian when just about everyone in the comic thinks autoritarianism isn't okay and the character you think is being authoritarian only has the POWER to do so, with no proof that he IS doing it.
00:40:42 Devastator: Eh.. by default, sure. But it's happened by people who have said they weren't okay with it.
00:40:55 Devastator: But many people think authoritarianism is perfectly okay.
00:41:08 Devastator: It's perfectly okay to force people to live in utopian societies.
00:42:28 ER: if you've managed to build a utopia, it's reasonable to try to stop people who want to tear it down.
00:43:28 Devastator: I don't think so, personally.
00:43:54 ER: you would leave what you've built undefended?
00:44:30 Devastator: They didn't 'try' to stop people.
00:45:39 Devastator: If defending a society involves destroying what that society stands for, then yeah, let it be torn down.
00:46:42 Devastator: That's how new ideas happen, after all.
00:47:50 Devastator: I mean, I'm more conservative than a lot of people, but why would you create such a stagnant limited society such as a utopia?
00:48:54 Devastator: I'm not sure he can remap Xinchup, actually.
00:49:30 Devastator: Xinnie didn't get his nannies from Petey. I'm sure Petey could create another Xinchub, but that wouldn't serve any purpose.
00:49:50 ER: xinxhub has the same technology in him as you're suggesting petey would use to edit the toughs
00:50:25 ER: he's where petey GOT that technology.
00:50:29 Devastator: Also, that was ten years ago.
00:50:44 Devastator: The pro-authoritarian stuff didn't start overnight.
00:50:56 Devastator: The comic started off quite anti-authoritarian.
00:51:14 Devastator: Changed with the times, really.
00:52:15 ER: are you actually able to point to any part of the comic which shows what you're talking about?
00:52:26 Devastator: Didn't I do that the other day?
00:52:47 Devastator: Like, literally the day after that strip?
00:53:21 Devastator: "It's okay to change the world, if I'm the one changing it."
00:53:38 ER: Petey adapts that tech for the toughs because it's repeatedly stated that they're his old freinds and he doesn't want them to die.
00:53:41 Devastator: ..that's how authoritarianism begins.
00:54:29 ER: you condemn stagnacy and in the next breath say that authoritarianism is in deciding to change the world.
00:54:49 Devastator: "Only the right people should be able to change the world."
00:55:11 ER: that's not even close to being what he said in that strip.
00:55:28 ER: he said "I'm going to use this to change the world"
00:56:17 ER: he said that lazarus didn't go far enough. That the people who made it SHOULD have pushed it farther and because they didn't, he has to.
00:57:04 Devastator: That's one person deciding the fate of the world. And it's okay, because Petey is the one making that decision.
00:58:08 ER: so your problem is simply that he has more power than anyone else?
00:58:54 Devastator: Yeah. That, and how increasingly, it's shown as only being right and proper for there to be such power.
00:59:01 Devastator: It didn't happen quickly.
01:00:28 ER: saying that it didn't happen quickly is the same as saying that it's a gut feeling that you have. It's not a thing that actually *happened* in the comic in a place that you can point to.
01:00:36 Devastator: I also remember a post from Howard Taylor where he describes how many of his personal views shape the comic, and how many of those personal views change over time, as is normal for most people.
01:01:20 Devastator: What you described with that star-mind thing, that they had to force people in order to prevent the utter destruction of their society and innumerable deaths, sounds pretty pro-authoritarian.
01:02:18 Devastator: "Look at what happened when we left it up to other people!"
01:02:25 ER: It's something they regret having to do.
01:02:52 Devastator: Eh, if they really regretted it, they would have stopped it, or found a different way. They've had millions of years, after all.
01:03:19 ER: They don't want to need to upload whole planets of people in order to save them, so instead they go to extreme measures to go undetected.
01:03:50 ER: which in this case means forcefully uploading about six people and launching an assault.
01:04:11 ER: they just pick what they see as the lesser evil
01:04:21 Devastator: Or they could just not upload anyone.
01:04:40 Devastator: Nah. No need to kill them either.
01:04:51 Devastator: If they've been undetected for so long, who would even know who they are?
01:05:13 Devastator: Just establish contact and don't upload anyone, and you don't have to upload everyone.
01:05:21 ER: these people had found the object, they knew where it was. To stay secret they needed to either kill those people or capture them.
01:05:35 Devastator: Yeah.. but they don't know what it is.
01:06:24 Devastator: Maybe. I don't see why that must be true, though.
01:06:35 ER: Once they know, they'll either demand to be let in or destory it out of princible
01:06:47 Devastator: That part sounds dodgy.
01:08:02 Devastator: Also sounds like static thinking.. that the same thing that happened millions of years ago will inevitably happen now.
01:08:46 ER: once you know it's possible, it's only reasonable to try to reduce the chance that it will happen again.
01:08:49 Devastator: I might have a problem with Petey rewriting people, but I wouldn't have a problem with that mind existing.
01:09:32 Devastator: Outside of the incredible degree of agression.
01:12:17 Devastator: I mean, they've got the biggest collection of brainpower and computing power that exists. They should just invent a cover story and establish borders, forcing a closed society. You'll get a little disruption, but there's no reason to believe you can't establish borders in a galaxy with so many different polities.
01:14:24 ER: the all-star has seen civilization collapse many times and thus doesn't think that being PART of civilization is a good survival strategy.
01:15:36 Devastator: Doesn't have to be, really.
01:15:44 ER: Long Guns can strike and destroy you no matter where you are, from anywhere. All it takes is being in communication with civilization are large and someone is able to target you and destroy yiou at the push of a button.
01:16:22 ER: And hypercoms apparently have enough location data that you can shoot anyone you can talk to.
01:16:45 Devastator: ..then don't use hypercoms.
01:17:11 ER: then you can't have borders on a interstellar scale
01:17:26 Devastator: Yeah you can. It's just slower and harder.
01:18:14 ER: the all star itself is immobile, so even without communication, once someone's seen where it is they can shoot it.
01:19:07 Devastator: Doesn't the teraport mean nothing is truly immobile?
01:19:39 ER: it's built around a star. I don't think you can teraport a star
01:20:15 Devastator: Gotta seperate the elements, then.
01:23:37 Devastator: "DM: At bar you see a cloaked, hunched over man. He wears a crown of bone and blade, surrounded by three sentient rings of fire. His arm is made of steel. Players: who else is in the tavern? DM: uhhhh theres a goblin named Sam Smorkle. Players: I want to talk to Sam Smorkle "
01:28:23 Devastator: I'd be with the party memebers there. Who would want to talk to someone wearing a crown in a bar?
01:36:47 Devastator: I did watch an ep of Overlord. I can see why
syv might be annoyed.
01:36:55 Devastator: we should make him watch it anyway. ;-p
01:40:05 Devastator: I think it may use actual freaking military doctrine, too, which is insane.
01:47:33 Devastator: No complicated plans, no complex orders, just a few words.
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01:50:10 syv:
Devastator, didn't you mention making Mina cast an illusion or something at some point?
01:50:40 syv: I recall you doing so, but your action says nothing about it, and Twin's action is basically just "Obey."
01:51:37 syv: Life is easier when you don't have to think.
01:51:37 ER: Yeah it actually would be a good idea for me to pick up more of the leadership role purity powers, huh?
01:51:44 syv: Unfortunately, so is death.
01:51:45 Devastator: That was when the attempt was to hide.
01:51:57 syv: Okay, so no hiding illusions?
01:53:30 ER: Right now Sophia is mostly Equi powers with the nice bonus from immaculate soul.
01:53:57 Devastator: If the horde of minions comes out looking for us, yes illusion.
01:53:59 ER: Mind control and inner monster are nice in theory but also dangerous to deploy at their current levels.
01:54:04 Devastator: If they aren't coming out, don't do it.
01:54:23 Devastator: If we're out of reach when they start coming, don't do it either.
01:54:56 Devastator: Well, we're going up. Might result in like an elevator platform.
02:01:15 ER: imma upgrade my mind control till I can mould your mind to do what I like. >:|
02:03:25 Devastator: ..You know, maybe instead of casting buffs directly on people, I should cast them on pills so I could use Enlarge to make more.
02:04:01 syv: Does magic multiply magic effectively?
02:04:16 Devastator: I'm still using magic to make more magic, but it might be more efficient.
02:04:40 Devastator: Especially if I want to put a large costing spell in something. Then I don't need to worry about it failing when actually used.
02:08:37 Devastator: or it might roll when the pill gets eaten, as normal..
02:09:00 Devastator: making it a bit of a time-waster, unless I put temp spells on them and give them to other people.
02:09:16 Devastator: Heh, I wonder if I can make scrolls.
02:09:20 Devastator: Maybe I should have taken that paper word.
02:09:25 Devastator: ..I probably should have, actually.
02:10:02 ER: that can have a side benefit.
02:10:15 ER: "guess what spell I prepared this morning"
02:14:02 Devastator: Was thinking about digging my way in AND going in the magical method of just holding on to someone else who is also going in, and then having people break into the tunnel while I'm facing off against the boss.
02:14:20 Devastator: good old basilisk. ;-p
02:17:45 Devastator:
PW did say that steel cloth robe is quite possible, and 'strengthen steel' is both cheaper AND more effective than just strengthen on a steel item.
02:18:02 Devastator: So.. if I do have to charge in, I'm probably going to have a lot of armour.
02:18:11 Devastator: ..because I'll probably have a shield made, too.
02:19:25 ER: I'd play the game more, but things were just going soooooooooo sloooooooooow for me
02:19:33 Devastator: How do you get more, personally?
02:20:21 ER: the fact that you start with one word, and can pay a big price to start with one additional, while if you do a decent sized quest you get like 3 or 4 words all at once seems like questionable game design.
02:20:44 syv: It's a
piecewise game,
ER.
02:20:50 ER: Most people get words by finding them in ruins and such.
02:21:12 Devastator: What was your method,
ER?
02:21:33 ER: I played a flesh scroll both times I made a character, so I just had to find them.
02:23:11 ER: ...yeah, that game had whack balance
02:23:36 Devastator: Man, grow for a flesh scroll would be nice.
02:23:40 Devastator: much easier to up your max.
02:24:09 ER: evokers just have a downside to the other word methods, and in exhange they "get more words". But not really, it's not EASIER for them to get words than others.
02:24:32 ER: and other methods get a good number dropped on them when they get words, so...?
02:25:13 Devastator: ..Yeah, I'm not sure.
02:25:31 Devastator: it was supposed to be easier, and I did find three in a person, where I would normally only find one.
02:25:56 ER: makes a guy want to make his own open world wizard game with blackjack and hookers, yeah?
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02:34:48 Devastator: ..wasn't
syv supposed to make the crime syndicate?
02:35:00 Devastator: he should be providing the blackjack and hookers. ;-p
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02:35:48 Devastator: Piecewise__,
Er wants to make his own wizard open world game, but this time, with blackjack and hookers.
02:37:08 Devastator: aww, must not be on.
02:37:23 ER: slash a wizard open world game with divine magic fueled by a pantheon of dickheads, but that's pretty much the same as blackjack and hookers
02:37:51 Devastator: Otoh, I don't know how I'm supposed to find words, really.
02:38:06 Devastator: Do I like look at kittens and see if they have birthmarks?
02:38:12 ER: Not sure if
PW does, either!
02:38:58 ER: half the word methods are ways to gain words, and half are ways to make having words interesting with no mention of actually obtaining them.
02:39:50 ER: One type gets words from dissecting things, the other writes words on their skin. You could easially imagine a wizard who does both of those things.
02:40:40 Devastator: Lets say I want to get water. Could I do that by distilling water and then bottling it up? Maybe I can see a word in the reflection of light off the interior surface of the bottled distilled water..
02:43:52 ER: I'd think that invokers are supposed to get words that way, but really it just seems to be "get them as loot"
02:44:51 Devastator: Well, I really want a feline, so I might start doing kitten things.
02:57:19 Devastator: I was wondering when he would have gotten that. ;-p
02:59:10 Devastator: rgu's game with the [kitten] in it died.
02:59:28 ER: rgu did not know what a [kitten] was
02:59:41 ER: the game is now dead, which disappoints
dev
03:00:32 Devastator: Yeah, pretty straightforward.
03:00:38 Devastator: "I cleaned up your character sheet."
03:03:10 syv: Did he 'fix' the [kitten] brackets?
03:04:01 ER: I honestly just wanted to be a kitten, but the brackets were nice too
03:15:20 ER: I'm a little sad that you gave up on cult,
syv
03:15:32 ER: I was looking forwards to having to fight you at some point
03:16:32 syv: I wasn't looking forward to fighting other players, and the game is otherwise uninteresting to me.
03:16:37 Piecewise__: Whats this about wizard open world
er?
03:17:21 syv: The only char I felt would be a good one would be a gun nut hitman who dgaf about the cult itself, and he'd basically be a method to make the game into something I'd like to play. Which is stupid, so no playing.
03:19:04 ER: to get the GM of a minimalist to say "I don't really want to roll the dice 64 times"
03:20:12 syv: Scrub. Just use computers.
03:21:17 ER: well, he does have to write something for each body doing something :P
03:22:00 Devastator: CULT isn't bad, but I think I'm already getting the resource management aspect in Coven right now.
03:22:08 Devastator: so there's less of a niche for it as usual.
03:22:58 ER: I'm enjoying it because my character is a kind of weirdo that's entertaining to me
03:23:15 ER: I think
paris is in for the same reason and everyone else is coasting :P
03:23:50 ER: ...damn, maybe I *should* spend favor soon, in case the game fucking dies
03:24:41 Devastator: I recommend wishing for something that will become horrifying when taken to it's conclusion.
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03:35:49 syv: Hey.
Devastator. Link me a Stairway to Heaven soundtrack.
03:36:03 syv: It's part of the power req. The player's supposed to find it, not me. -.-
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04:08:06 syv: Five rolls, three crits, two positive, with the other two still being successes.
04:08:18 syv: Y'all aren't supposed to have this luck.
04:08:35 ER: wow, sounds like it might even work.
04:14:32 Devastator: Must be paying me back for Nak's game. ;-p
04:15:05 Devastator: (Turned out those damage rolls were on d6s.) 1,2,2,2,3,6
04:15:58 ER: ahh, the boring counterpart to xan dice
04:18:08 Devastator: Yeah, a mere five below par. ;-p
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04:42:13 syv: Tell me if I screwed up something.
04:42:47 syv: Also! I actually managed to wrote a major update in what passes for my morning, while fully awake!
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04:43:07 syv: This is cause for celebration. I'mma eat a steak.
04:47:48 Devastator: Well, time to burn rubber.
04:56:01 syv: So, recently a discovered a twitch stream site called saltybet.
04:56:29 ER: I don't do bets, but you get to watch fights 24/7
04:56:33 syv: It features a constant automated stream of random MUGEN matchups, which are bet on with fictional money, and yes, it's great.
04:56:59 syv: Right now it's just a boring pair of DBZ fighter though.
04:57:01 Piecewise_: Alternatively you can just run saltybot and let it bet for you
04:57:14 syv: I don't bet, and don't care.
04:57:23 syv: I just think some of the fights are hilarious.
04:58:46 Piecewise_: The tournaments can be pretty fun
04:58:59 Piecewise_: depending on the ranking
04:59:53 Piecewise_: X tier is pretty funny
05:00:23 syv: And here I was figuring low tiers would be funny.
05:00:45 ER: potato matches are... something
05:00:45 syv: Why wouldn't you want to see incompetents flailing at each other?
05:01:20 Devastator: What are the tiers?
05:02:12 syv: Seems to be standard letters. A is below S, I presume X is above S, otherwise it follows---
ER actually knows, nvm.
05:02:15 Piecewise_: X is bullshit, p is utter shit, and the others are just increasing level of skill
05:02:40 ER: skill and firepower, really
05:02:54 Piecewise_: B is alright, A is good, S is great, X is broken.
05:02:59 syv: Yeaaaah. I'm watching A right now, and it's spammy as hell.
05:03:03 ER: something can be high tier if it's just smart enough to use its overpowered BS
05:03:24 syv: And something can be low tier if its AI is horrid.
05:03:38 Piecewise_: Touhou never lets you down unless it does
05:03:46 Piecewise_: and DBZ is always terrible
05:03:49 syv: Yay, whole screen grab attack.
05:04:00 Piecewise_: I lost all my money~
05:04:35 Devastator: I wonder what that means for potato-girl.
05:04:57 Piecewise_: Well this looks like an S vs S but they must not be that good
05:05:54 Piecewise_: Gonna lose this bet too
05:06:55 syv: Going on what I've seen so far, the winning strat would seem to be "Bet 25% against big things, scary things, and tits"
05:07:35 syv: The monetarily favored fighter doesn't actually seem to have a much higher chance in general, and those three things seem to predict which is monetarily favored.
05:08:40 ER: I do often see expereinced bettors say things like "why the fuck is THAT the favorite?"
05:09:28 Piecewise_: fullwall is a bot that wins like 99% of the time
05:09:37 Piecewise_: and bets large amounts
05:09:42 Piecewise_: thus can sway things
05:09:44 Devastator: Does it insta-win, or does it cheat?
05:09:59 Devastator: or just have perfect history?
05:10:07 Piecewise_: Oh hey, this is a nier Remix
05:10:13 syv: It's an automated betting bot, not a fighter.
05:10:26 syv: Presumably it manually runs sims of the fights.
05:11:08 Piecewise_: There are only so many fighters in the lineup. it just complies odds by watching many thousands of fights
05:11:28 Piecewise_: thats what salty bot does
05:11:50 Piecewise_: Nice to see your fighter win via scam
05:13:32 Piecewise_: This match seems more balanced
05:14:21 Piecewise_: Locked in infinite death
05:16:40 Piecewise_: The opponent got stuck in an infinite falling animation
05:17:53 Piecewise_: God Kula seems to win by just having absurd levels of HP
05:18:15 Piecewise_: Also that guy is doing Evangelion crosses
05:18:27 syv: Saphire does seem incompetent.
05:20:21 Piecewise_: Man, wait till you see an X tourny
05:21:21 syv: What the hell is the blue guy doing?
05:21:26 Devastator: dead before it begins?
05:21:28 syv: This alresdy looks retarded.
05:21:38 Piecewise_: Getting double teamed and losing me all my money
05:22:03 syv: I told you, bet against scary.
05:22:14 Piecewise_: Nah, I'm betting on the upset
05:22:59 Piecewise_: My base money in tourneys is 1250 so I just all in on all matches hoping for lots o money upsets
05:23:49 Piecewise_: Well, I'll bet on DBZ
05:25:00 syv: She does like zero damage...
05:25:19 Piecewise_: DBZ OC's are always broken
05:26:00 Piecewise_: Oh because X is FAR more op than this
05:26:21 Piecewise_: X is a screen filling gif of Daune that cannot be hurt and kills instantly
05:27:34 Piecewise_: He seems to have the ability to just insta teleport behind you
05:27:37 Piecewise_: because anime of course
05:27:55 syv: Too bad she can't counter with the same mobe.
05:29:21 Piecewise_: I mean, he's in Slap City
05:30:28 ER: hey
PW got a spare Slap City key :V
05:31:19 ER: it's easier to ask
PW to give me free shit than it is to find a torrent
05:31:56 syv: Meh, guess the cost of trying is low.
05:32:14 syv:
Piecewise, can I have Bloodborne and a PS4? Or PS3? Or whatever it's on.
05:33:09 ER: otherwise I would be much more motivated to find my PS3
05:33:59 syv: No good games for it yet, so nah.
05:34:25 Piecewise_: I have no slap city codes.
05:35:11 Piecewise_:
Sy have you beat off to Iji yet?
05:35:48 ER: because the only porn of it the bot could find was garbage
05:37:45 Piecewise_: Kim kicking off into the stratosphere always cracks me up
05:40:04 syv: DBZ doesn't seem to be doing so well against Japanese Man In Suit.
05:40:24 Piecewise_: Japanese infinite particle effect techniques
05:41:01 syv: Yeah, suitman seems to deal great with the teleport-behind-you move/
05:41:47 Piecewise_: Teleport behind you no jutsu
05:43:25 Piecewise_: Well, guess I'll bet on the upset and laugh when kim wins
05:44:21 syv: Mask isn't jumpy enough to deal with stratosphere kick.
05:44:35 syv: Also, Kim is utter bullshit.
05:44:45 syv: Not that mask isn't but still
05:45:41 syv: God, Thunder has way too much HP.
05:46:35 Piecewise_: this should be good
05:46:41 ER: who wins: suit bullshit or karate bullshit?
05:47:39 syv: 't have entire field effects, and Kim just leaves the field while dropping lure clones.
05:48:09 syv: Element's a fucking nuke, though.
05:48:28 syv: Not enough of one, but stikl.
05:49:10 syv: Element definitely wins in DPS.
05:50:24 Piecewise_: The thing is kim is just a normal fighting game character with cloning ability. Element is bullshit
05:50:40 syv: Cloning is more bullshit than element.
05:50:40 Piecewise_: If element can get a hit in edgewise, he'll win
05:50:55 syv: Like, element has way way better AI.
05:50:56 Piecewise_: It was close though
05:51:08 ER: now, time for the most "fun" segment of saltybet!
05:51:25 Piecewise_:
ER, confirmed exhibitionist
05:51:40 Piecewise_: Time to see how much money I have
05:51:56 Piecewise_: Its just random matches that take place between tournaments
05:52:06 Piecewise_: somepretty good stuff can happen
05:52:06 ER: I think people can spend their fake money to request matches between specific characters
05:52:13 syv: Oh. So what I already watched.
05:52:22 Piecewise_: man, salty bet has great music choices
05:52:23 syv: Yeah, this is the best part.
05:52:27 ER: it's not matchmaking, matchmaking is actually good
05:52:51 ER: usually it's RNG, this is people setting up the matches
05:52:57 ER: usually for maximum bullshit
05:54:00 Piecewise_: they usually have themes
05:55:22 Piecewise_: You know exactly why
05:55:32 ER: because we never stopped to ask if we should
05:55:45 Piecewise_: Potato Gotanks there too
05:55:55 Piecewise_: Veku, famously shit
05:56:09 syv: Oh, te kther guy has a pistol.
05:56:10 ER: a totally shit character that the community love irrationally
05:56:41 Devastator: Of course the community loves irrationaly. What other way is there to love?
05:58:34 Piecewise_: Shiki has an interesting idle loop
05:58:50 Piecewise_: Constantly flipping her head back
05:59:00 ER: when the thing you get in exhibs looks like a fight, you're lucky.
05:59:25 Piecewise_: Mega weapon is certainly shit
05:59:35 syv: Why were these two matched?
05:59:52 syv: ....Why do they have equal bets?
05:59:53 Piecewise_: someone's sick joke
06:00:29 syv: I assume the mouse will wreck it.
06:00:30 Piecewise_: watch out for space mouse if he ever shows up
06:01:23 ER: not sure what he does but he does something
06:01:51 syv: Mouse doesn't do damage, huh?
06:02:14 Piecewise_: very small amouints
06:02:31 ER: Yeah I'm VERY entertained by a pair of characters with 3 moves each jumping around randomly, completely unable to hit each other other than by chance.
06:02:58 syv: Randomized matches are better.
06:03:24 Piecewise_: Not sure how many exhibition matches there are
06:04:27 Piecewise_: this should be a thing
06:05:41 Piecewise_: Abyss has multiple forms
06:06:33 Piecewise_: this next one looks *great*
06:07:22 syv: I really really hope Goku fucks him up.
06:07:29 ER: I like saltybet's music so I hate it when fighters decide to bring their own
06:07:32 Piecewise_: Oh undertale, you were always doomed to be made into shit by the fans, weren't you?
06:08:07 Devastator: Need some strikethroughs there. ;-p
06:08:22 Piecewise_: This is probably S teir
06:08:52 ER: glad to see that real goku has a BS mode
06:09:01 syv: Goku's voice. NGGGGAAAAAAAAHHHH AAAAAGHHH NGAAHHHHH
06:09:10 ER: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
06:09:52 Piecewise_: DO YOU LIKE OVERLY LONG SHITTY ANIME INTROS?!
06:09:57 Piecewise_: I BET YOU DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
06:10:06 ER: ahh, the fucker who brings his intro with him every single time
06:10:30 Piecewise_: Boko can just automatically win
06:10:56 ER: boko takes no damage from shit, grabs you, then 50% of the time he dies and 50% of the time you die
06:11:10 Piecewise_: Are you feeling lucky, punk?
06:11:15 syv: He sounds like he was bashed in the mouth several times before speaking.
06:12:14 Piecewise_: Otherwise known as japanese
06:14:51 syv: One person dropped 50 mil.
06:15:14 Piecewise_: probably the one who requested the match
06:15:20 Piecewise_: making small profits
06:15:49 syv: That much fictional money, and he would get so little relative to his riches.
06:15:59 syv: I doubt there was a loss chance.
06:18:16 Piecewise_: oh dear to everything in this match
06:20:44 ER: honestly just oh dear in general
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06:46:20 ER: "Nushrat carried out three more assassinations after her work for Aslot in 86. Then she stole three more artifacts. And assassinated two more people. And lives happily at age 97, never married, with her seven remaining children, waiting to take a job to come to your fort and take your things or deal with your pesky sheriff. Or somebody like her."
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07:50:56 ER: why do things when I could be not doing things?
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18:35:23 midnightjaguar: Oh nice apparently Brutal legend 2 is going to be a thing eventually
18:45:54 midnightjaguar: Hmm. Welll I’ll be back later tonight
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18:51:19 Piecewise_: Brutal legend 1 was barely a thing though
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22:21:51 ER: so you want me to stab you?
22:23:17 Devastator: Could I use 'view' to link a window to said spyglass?
22:23:28 Devastator: so the window sees what the spyglass does?
22:26:35 Devastator: Yeah, maybe a few boozy parties would be better.
22:27:49 Piecewise_: I mean you could do that
22:30:31 Devastator: ok. Not too hard to get a bunch of people to look at a window.
22:31:11 Devastator: passing the spyglass around and having everyone adjust it and look around with it would be a lot slower and more fiddly.
22:34:34 Devastator: ..plus I could also use said spyglass to search the bottom of the lake, too.
22:35:33 Devastator: Hmm. I hope it'd be an airlock or an actual entrance. Going into a water pipe would be bad. I'd have to go through a grill, and there'd probably be a pump fairly soon, and it's not a viable route to get dozens of people out.
22:39:00 Devastator: Plus it'd probably require a few reverse-grow spells to fit.
22:41:53 Devastator: all this is redundant. I'll need to deal with the guy with the bottomless well or whatever's going on there.
22:42:11 Devastator: Might be able to make people older/younger too, fwiw.
22:42:15 ER: because that would be the opposite of growing?
22:42:31 Devastator: Yeah. Can do reverses in general. Just more expensive and less effective.
22:43:05 Devastator: d6 grow did, IIRC, six inches. Reverse d6 grow might shrink someone half that.
22:43:16 Devastator: so it'd probably be a few spells to be able to enter a pipe.
22:43:37 Devastator: but probably doable.
22:44:06 Devastator: More relevant might be reverse-enlarge. Use that to encase someone in their armour.
22:44:19 Devastator: (or regular enlarge.)
22:44:56 Piecewise_: A little girl to surpass metal gear!
22:45:19 ER: it's more likely than you'd think.
22:45:36 Devastator: Heh. I do have 'steel'
22:45:50 Devastator: Nah, that'd make hugs less satisfying. ;-p
22:46:30 Devastator: ..although I don't get the particular metal gear reference. Which one?
22:46:32 ER: most little girls can't beat up metal gear rex, but if you see a little girl who decides to pick a fight with metal gear rex you can probably assume that she's powerful enough to beat a mech
22:47:07 Devastator: ..Yeah, that'd be tough.
22:47:53 Devastator: I don't know. Have to be temp spells, as much fun as it would be to pilot a mech-sized character through the rest of the game, it's probably beyond my mana pool. ;-p
22:49:48 ER: Wonder how hard it would be to build a mech without using magic.
22:50:07 ER: probably needs to be thaum-powered anyway
22:52:22 Devastator: ..Yeah, I don't think they'd be viable.
22:52:43 ER: fuck that giant robots are cool
22:55:00 Devastator: plus mech-saeko would probably attract attention from the witchhunters. ;-p
23:11:36 Devastator: Hmm. I wonder if Telcal is connected to the person here.
23:11:47 Devastator: Maybe he sleeps for a bit, and that's when this person wakes up.
23:13:21 Devastator: I was hoping for a 'door' or a 'wall' word or something I could use to barricade this guy from the conduit, but reverse-speed to slow down the suction and reverse enlarge to pinch off the connection mght do it. That said, I wanted to do so as the hole opens, so that I don't leave this person an empty shell.
23:13:40 Devastator: ie, trap the guy in his own body.
23:15:25 Devastator: trapping the guy outside his body would have been doh-worthy.
23:23:28 Devastator: Do you read Prequel,
PW?
23:23:42 Devastator: The most recent strip features a catperson making improper advances on a skeleton.
23:51:19 ER: wonder how many deaths we're looking at in pumsy's
23:53:21 Devastator: Dunno. I'm hoping for zero.
23:53:30 Devastator: We can probably do okay defending a checkpoint.
23:53:42 Devastator: Staircases are chokepoints, after all.
23:53:57 Devastator: and Mina can provide cover. Hopefully RGU will come back and shoot.
23:54:41 ER: Yeah, it's possible that you can manage this fight.
23:55:03 Devastator: Only one primary skill a turn, though. I'd love to have Effigy running again now.
23:55:19 ER: bit of an unfortunately literal uphill battle, though.
23:55:30 Devastator: effigy and a bungee cord have some serious tricks.
23:55:50 ER: gonna pull some ice climbers shit?
23:55:51 Devastator: mechanical advantage plus super strength plus super acrobatics will be nice.
23:56:23 ER: see if you can pull off wobbling, why not
23:56:26 Devastator: It's why I'm tying the ribbon to the foot, so I can get it copied when I go for effigy.
23:58:44 Devastator: I mean, normally the arms would be better, but with mobility 2, spinning around upside down shouldn't be much harder than doing it on my feet.
23:58:55 Devastator: and swing, swing, swing, smaash should hit pretty damn hard.
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