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01:00:50 Devastator: I keep losing my Ankh on the blue level before the giant head.
02:21:01 ER: well, better than losing it on the black market level :I
02:23:37 Devastator: If you shoot a merchant they all get mad, right?
02:24:26 ER: but last time I got killed by a tiki trap next to the exit -_-
03:10:14 Devastator: Hmm,
syv wanted me to play Autoduel.
03:12:42 ER: what are you thinking in dridergame? we have a dungeon, and no way to regenerate mana.
03:21:41 Devastator: Recruit this guy by telling our observations of the god, and ask what he's doing here. Then we play it either fast or slow.
03:22:07 Devastator: find out what this guy knows and see if his mission is compatable with our mission.
03:22:38 ER: That might not be a wise angle, because we clearly have different ideas of what "mantaroc" is.
03:24:10 Devastator: Yeah, but it's a pretty straightforward explanation. Mantaroc is creating a new universe and killing all it's current inhabitants.
03:24:31 Devastator: However good that new universe is, it's understandable why someone would want to stop that.
03:25:14 Devastator: Plus we're going after specific people who have been kidnapped or isolated by that god. Sure, we'd like to do more damage, but we don't have to kill it or be especially destructive on this mission.
03:30:06 Devastator: Of course, we're screwed if this is one of her minions and he's going to shoot us for that point of view.
03:30:37 Devastator: I'm betting it isn't due to meta reasons.
03:31:16 Devastator: (GM seems to like companions.)
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03:31:23 ER: he has what appears to be an automatic shotgun, he doesn't have to be subtle about killing us
03:32:05 syv: This is relevant to my interests.
03:32:08 Devastator: I'm pretty sure we can straight up eat souls for mana, though.
03:32:22 Devastator: the guy in dridergame. Apparently there's a dude with both an AR and an autoshotty.
03:32:37 ER: WE apparantly got transported to modern day earth or something similar
03:32:57 Devastator: Well, all we know is there's a guy who is excessively armed and he says we're in Cambodia.
03:33:09 syv: I'd really like to enjoy that game, but nothing I've seen of it has been good.
03:33:40 ER: well, there's GIANT DEMON ARM
03:34:17 ER: GM really likes direct references.
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03:37:09 Elastic_Ridicule: hello, random momentary internet drop!
03:37:17 Elastic_Ridicule: how I've missed you
03:37:56 Devastator: Mantorak could be pulling a fast one on us.
03:38:02 Devastator: Sending us to something she wants us to bust up.
03:38:27 Elastic_Ridicule: it's an elder god, it could ALWAYS be pulling a fast one on us.
03:38:36 Elastic_Ridicule: that's like, what they do.
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03:41:07 Devastator: I do hope I've got it right, though.
03:41:15 Devastator: Sniffing it out this early into the game would be sweet.
03:42:38 Devastator: We've been here one turn.
03:42:38 ER: I figure this is easially late-midgame
03:42:47 Devastator: sniffing out what's happening one turn after arrival counts as early.
03:43:24 ER: do you think this is some GAME? This is SRSBSNS :p
03:43:46 Devastator: It's metaphorical, anyway.
03:43:49 Devastator: so how's it going
syv?
03:43:53 Devastator: Still snowing here.
03:43:59 Devastator: Albeit pretty light now.
03:44:18 syv: Weather mostly cleared up by 1500. I slept most of the evening, and am still kinda tired.
03:45:02 syv: Prolly gonna be more bad weather tomorrow, though the weekend should be clear. I could stream Sunday morning.
03:46:10 ER: I can most certainly not watch a stream sunday morning :P
03:47:52 syv: Autoduel is... yeah. It's opaque and difficult even if you know what you're doing.
03:50:02 syv: IIRC at the beginning you pretty much have to go to the arena on weekends, for amateur night, and they'll provide you with a vehicle for the duration. The other race tiers have significantly more dangerous opponents, and you have to bring your own (expensive) car, which will then be damaged and need to be repaired even if you survive.
03:50:48 ER: the mental image that I get from "autoduel" is probably much cooler than it actually is.
03:51:22 ER: That is, a two player competitive game where you wield giant weapons that are also cars.
03:51:41 Devastator: That's easy enough.
03:51:53 syv: The char has three stats, but in standard RPG fashion they level up with use. At the beginning it's best to put a bunch into marksmanship, because it will make most of your shots one-hit-kills. Driving can be practiced by losing control, and grows naturally over time, while mechanics can be trained by exiting vehicles and walking into destroyed enemy cars, salvaging them. It's hugely important later, but isn't necessary t
03:52:06 Devastator: I could also use a map.
03:52:25 syv: The roads between cities are hilariously lethal.
03:54:10 syv: I never survived long enough in the game to travel more than a couple cities away from the start. Not all cities have everything you need, and courier jobs aren't very lucrative.
03:54:54 Devastator: I'll take your word for it.
03:55:00 syv: Ah, and there's no saving. If you die, it's permadeath, unless you bought a clone at the hospital. Clones only save your stats at the time they're created, and you only keep cars that are in the garage.
03:55:47 syv: Hospital might also sell armor, but it could be another building. There's certainly armor in the first city, though.
03:56:25 Devastator: care to watch, then? I mostly want a manual, not a walkthrough thing.
03:56:52 syv: I've been considering playing that. Is it a particularly good game, or is it only popular for weirdness/the main character?
03:57:17 syv: I linked a map, not a walkthrough.
03:57:45 ER: Do you like hitting things with weapons until they die, and can you tolerate some RPG mechanics? If so, it's good.
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03:58:10 ER: If you're just there for the action, I'd recommend Metal Gear Rising instead
03:58:50 syv: I like robots and navel gazing plots, but I don't know if N:A has a decent one.
03:59:03 syv: Or if it needs context from the rest of the overcomplex Nier series.
03:59:04 ER: I like it. Take that as you will.
03:59:45 ER: It's set like, tens of thousands of years after nier? something like that.
04:00:33 ER: There's not like an established cast of characters or anything.
04:00:59 syv: Might try it eventually, then.
04:01:13 syv then remembers that he has a bunch of stuff to do already
04:01:42 ER: also, fun fact: NieR is set in the world created by the worst ending of Drakengard, and Automata is set in the world created by the worst ending of NieR
04:01:57 ER: it's a bit of a crappy world
04:02:49 syv: Does it have six different endings itself?
04:03:33 ER: it has one two three four five standard endings if you play it normally, and many many joke endings.
04:03:58 ER: That's more like the first ending if the first quarter of the game and then you keep playing, though.
04:05:05 ER: Like, you do ending A, watch the credits, and the game pops up a window that basically says "hey the game's not actualy over yet idiot, keep playing"
04:05:45 syv: Is there another ending after awhile?
04:05:55 ER: like doki doki literature club's two playthroughs, though not QUITE as fucky as that game
04:06:33 ER: game for certain values of fuckiness
04:07:04 ER: It does require a brain to actually complete it, which is more than most VNs. :P
04:07:18 Devastator: no, not really. ;-p
04:07:50 Devastator: Those hints weren't exactly subtle.
04:08:00 syv: Most VNs could be completed by an autoclicker. Most have an autoclicker *included*.
04:08:06 ER: And you need to HAVE a brain to get said hints.
04:08:36 syv: You need more of a brain to follow on-screen instructions, so it therefore required a brain, and more of one than a standard VN.
04:08:54 Devastator: That's not a very big map.
04:09:35 ER: Also you're pretty much trapped in yuri's death scene unless you think to hit fast-forward, and that's not hinted. You need to either have an original thought or click ten thousand times.
04:10:26 syv: ...I liked DDLC. It was good.
04:11:11 ER: Correction: you liked the second half of ddlc
04:11:30 syv: It was at least the second two quarters.
04:12:21 ER: I should try getting the other two endings for that at some point. I'd need to download it again. >.>
04:12:36 syv: What? There's other endings?
04:13:00 Devastator: Ahh, PC Speaker music.
04:13:07 syv: ...I know there was one if you loaded saves to do all three routes before finishing, but there was more than that?
04:13:13 Devastator: Been a long long time there.
04:13:40 ER: one, you delete her before starting the game, the other you use saves to get every single scene with everyone before ending the first playthrough.
04:14:03 syv: How's the early deletion work out?
04:14:45 ER: I haven't seen it. If I had seen it I wouldn't have any desire to try doing it. :P
04:14:54 Devastator: You want me to tell you?
04:15:15 Devastator: might need your help with the controls.
04:15:22 Devastator: I figured that part wouldn't be a spoiler.
04:15:37 syv: I have the stream page up, but I'm unsure whether it's loading badly dus to horrible wifi, or if it's just silent because you're tabbed out.
04:15:45 syv: I don't recall any of the controls. :P
04:16:32 syv: Pretty sure it was mostly arrow keys, a button to shoot (prolly clicking), and numbers for weapon selection.
04:16:41 Devastator: Nah, something's wrong with the stream, too.
04:17:47 Devastator: Name this doomed guy.
04:19:12 syv: Marksmanship is best, it's by far the most impactful early on.
04:20:21 ER: maybe
syv can do better than that
04:20:24 syv: Any car you make at the start is gonna be *horrible*.
04:20:47 syv: Audio is cutting in and out for me.
04:21:07 syv: I have a very poor connection.
04:21:59 syv: IIRC the lowest tier for car quality was $5000 and below, though I believe that also included weapons, which can be bought separately.
04:22:07 syv: You're pretty clear and consistent now.
04:22:42 syv: U armor is under, protects against mines. It's valueless for a long time.
04:24:35 syv: Arena is huge, has five enemies, I think.
04:25:05 ER: so apparantly these cars are powered by plants?
04:25:06 syv: There should be a minimap with dots for each of the enemy cars, they're all identical to you at this stage.
04:25:32 syv: I think they're all nuclear, because zeerust.
04:26:19 ER: not fusion, what primative technology
04:26:22 syv: Yeah, you can't salvage cars in amateur night, because they're property of the arena.
04:27:08 syv: They have zero skills, I believe. You have some marksmanship. It takes a lot more shots to kill without any marksmanship.
04:27:42 syv: Could be wrong though. It's been a long time.
04:28:25 syv: Exit is at the bottom, I believe. Might be a second at the top.
04:28:53 syv: Upon winning, you get more money, and can custom make a more expensive cae.
04:29:28 Devastator: Need a name for this car.
04:29:30 syv: More expensive car can take courier jobs to go between cities, or can enter into harder arena challenges.
04:29:35 Devastator: 1500 buckazoids was pretty good.
04:30:57 syv: Some things I recall: Building a sideways car is oddly effective. Armor mostly only the front and side, while mounting a gun on the armored side and front. That's great for dueling, ss long as you chave space.
04:32:23 syv: Stay over at the truck stop.
04:34:04 syv: I think you're only allowed to do one thing per day.
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04:35:56 syv: There's pretty much always road warriors who will kill you.
04:36:11 syv: Even if they say it's safe, you will die.
04:36:37 ER: huh, road warriors much have a lot of ballistic skill
04:38:15 syv: Division numbers * 1000 is the most expensive car that's allowed to participate.
04:38:51 syv: So if your car costs 5500, you'll be banned from Division 5, and it'll have to fight against $10,000 cars in Div 10.
04:39:33 syv: Yeah, anything below $5000 is fine.
04:40:24 syv: It can work. It's a little harder, but $1000 isn't hugely impactful.
04:42:40 syv: Oh, you can shoot enemies that are offscreen.
04:43:01 syv: If you line up the minimap juuust right it works pretty reliably.
04:45:56 syv: Just go with the lightest options you can get for the desired armor.
04:46:47 syv: Pretty much. You also have to leave weight/cost for guns, though.
04:46:48 ER: if you train by yourself at the arena, does that increase skills as well?
04:47:01 syv: I think it can only improve driving skill though.
04:47:33 syv: I don't think any of it has any effect from shooting, no.
04:47:41 syv: It's the same map without vehicles.
04:48:49 ER: why is heavy rocket so cheap?
04:49:12 syv: ...Could buy like ten of them, that might actually be workable.
04:50:18 ER: maybe a flamethrower is lighter?
04:51:53 ER: that's a very heavy video game
04:52:12 syv: 40 weight for spike droppers~
04:52:36 syv: I honestly don't know. Don't recall using them.
04:53:45 syv: 215 weight for rec. rifle.
04:54:33 syv: It's a bit better, but the MG is typically quite enough. More armor is probably more valuable
04:55:13 ER: seems like you'll want spare room and weight if you're doing courior jobs
04:55:41 ER: with no spare weight you'll only be good for bloodsport
04:57:13 ER: you can't check how much money you have if you don't have a car, dummy~
04:57:20 syv: Spikes apparently can kill.
04:57:35 syv: And they do a fair bit of damage.
04:58:08 ER: this game might not have mastered the art of action gameplay
05:02:20 syv: 1000$ for MG, 25$ per ammo.
05:04:29 ER: in this game you can no anywhere, be anyone, do anything. Provided that that involves strapping guns to your car and blowing up other cars.
05:05:34 syv: You can do it immediately, I think.
05:05:58 syv: You get more skill every time you lose control.
05:06:39 ER: I like how you lose the radar when you get out of the car
05:06:42 syv: Mechanic skill determines success, and raises with attempts.
05:07:22 ER: I mean, that's pretty much literally how driving skill works in CDDA
05:08:25 syv: Oh, guide says I'm wrong. You have to pay for mechanic lessons at the truck stop to improve the skill.
05:08:42 syv: Motorcycles are dangerous and you can't have one.
05:08:47 ER: looks like a motorcycle with sidecar :P
05:10:16 ER: if you jump out of the car, do they shoot at you? :P
05:10:34 syv: Yes, they kill you quickly if you leave.
05:10:42 syv: You don't have to keep playing.
05:10:50 syv: That's pretty much the game right there.
05:11:23 Devastator: So in.. Autoduel, you duel in autos.
05:12:22 Devastator: I still wish I could remember that other one where you're using autoduel but equipping armies.
05:12:41 Devastator: It was about that same vintage, except instead of cars you had guys on horses and what not.
05:12:52 Devastator: Strat game, not whatever that was.
05:13:31 syv: Car wars is about building a fleet of cars with a ton of people manning them, and desperately trying to scavenge enough food to feed all your shmucks while you travel around.
05:14:06 Devastator: Nah, it wasn't cars.
05:14:50 syv: Has a neat little leveling system where your population is divided by quality of your people, and they're just represented by total numbers. Has a kind of tactical game which is included, but it was always too fiddly for me.
05:16:45 syv: This Autoduel guide seems to boil down to "Get to Atlantic City asap, then gamble until you're rich and can buy top-class cars. Then do whatever."
05:19:31 Devastator: Huh, Lords of the Realm. That was an odd game.
05:21:26 Devastator: There's Nectaris, which is essentially an odd varient in the same family as Advance Wars.
05:25:15 ER: just downloaded huntshowdown on the laptop. curious how it runs.
05:28:14 ER: need to make sure it actually work acceptably first
05:30:34 ER: the menu screen is snowy in the background, and the music is the exact same except the vocals is just saying "ho" repeatedly rather than the usual humming.
05:32:52 syv: As in "Hohoho!" or "Hooooo.... Hooooo... Hooooo..."?
05:35:25 Devastator: Hoooo ho hooo ho hooo.
05:43:08 ER: A crossbow that shoots bolts that are tipped with shotgun shells.
05:43:20 ER: is that awesome or dumb,
syv?
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05:50:18 Devastator: you need a barrel or some kind of chamber to allow the shotgun shells to function.
05:51:41 ER: [00:42] <
ER> "crossbow shotbolt"
05:51:42 ER: [00:43] <
ER> A crossbow that shoots bolts that are tipped with shotgun shells.
05:51:42 ER: [00:43] <
ER> is that awesome or dumb,
syv?
05:52:19 Devastator: using a crossbow to fire bombs isn't a bad idea.
05:52:56 syv: It's roundabout as good an idea as duct taping a firecracker to your bolt; neither is going to go off, even if they did it won't do anything very helpful, and the aerodynamics are probably gonna be wrecked.
05:54:26 syv: In fact a firecracker might even be better. At least that, if it exploded, would make a nice bright flash and crack. I don't think the shotgun shell would even explode in any real sense; it'd just burn off quickly and quietly.
05:55:20 syv: I should put crossbows in the mall ninja generator.
05:55:24 Devastator: Yeah, plus they use firing pins instead of fuses.
05:55:49 Devastator: Need more examples in each category, though.
05:56:01 ER: well Idunno, I guess they just duct tape it together in a way that makes sense
05:56:08 Devastator: so the same thing doesn't come up so often.
05:56:47 ER: and the hand crossbow is described as "imaginative"
05:56:58 syv: I had originally been trying to only choose well-known guns which had some stupid trait or major flaw, with very few exceptions. That ended up limiting the options a lot.
05:57:17 Devastator: I meant more for the weapon mod types.
05:57:20 Devastator: the gun types seem about right.
05:58:23 ER: so huntshowdown does have a new game mode.
05:58:41 syv: Oh. Yeah. Problem is that most of the guns, unless you use the lowest setting, end up being very tacticool with *tons* of attachments, so if you make five guns you'll definitely get a few repeats in some slots.
05:59:05 ER: It's solo only, called quickplay, you get given a hunter to use for free but can only keep him if you win.
05:59:16 syv: And on setting 11, which only takes the most extreme options for each slot, you get many many repeats since there's even less of a selection.
05:59:39 Devastator: Yeah, could use a little more variety there. And yeah, probably fewer overall weapons.
05:59:50 syv: That's probably for people who've managed to run out of money.
05:59:54 ER: It's kiiiiiiiinda battle royale in that only one person can win, and it's last man standing, but there's also objectives.
06:00:30 Devastator: 'silenced subsonic rounds' for instance.
06:01:04 ER: You need to find rifts and close them, which is just like finding clues in the normal game. The first one to close five starts to absorb energy and when that timer runs down everyone else dies.
06:01:28 ER: If you kill that person, it sticks to you
06:01:49 syv: Does anyone get a wallhack?
06:02:11 ER: You also get bounty at the end proportional to how long you had that on you, even if you die. Which I think means you earn money?
06:02:22 ER: I haven't heard about wallhacks.
06:02:34 ER: Pretty sure it's not part of the mode.
06:02:45 syv: So yeah, it's a way to get money for people who've managed to run out.
06:03:05 ER: you also get a free hunter if you manage to survive.
06:03:08 syv: Makes sense, considering how much money they give to you from levelups, and how difficult it can be to make it back.
06:04:02 Devastator: How have the two of you been doing there?
06:04:44 syv: Firstly, we haven't played in a long time.
06:04:45 ER: haven't played in some time
06:05:01 ER: have we ever won a run? I think so.
06:05:14 syv: Back when we were playing... mediocre, I guess? We won occasionally, but lost more often. Had a couple good ambushes of enemies, but got ambushed more often.
06:05:19 ER: they're like 45 minute matches, so it's a commitment
06:05:30 syv: We definitely won a few times.
06:05:37 ER: they also added a second map
06:06:10 Devastator: Allegiance timescale, then.
06:06:48 syv: Similar to most longer term match based team PvP games.
06:08:00 Devastator: longer duration teamwork based PvP single match games.
06:17:20 syv: Okay, so Dark Souls is pretty scary in first person when you can only see three feet in front of you.
06:17:31 Devastator: and I can't watch it!
06:17:36 syv: I also added the aggro mod which makes everything worse.
06:17:43 syv: I can do it again, don't worry.
06:17:57 syv: I've already memorized the game, it's not like this is changing my experience.
06:18:06 ER: alright, played my first game of quickplay!
06:18:36 ER: You gain a trait every time you close a rift, but I couldn't find a way to look at what traits I had :V
06:19:53 ER: started with just a machete, went forth and slashed some shit. Closed my first rift and found a shotbolt crossbow. Closed two more rifts and then got shot by a dude with a silenced pistol.
06:20:36 ER: Pretty happy with that. I killed four armoreds and a meathead without taking damage.
06:21:01 ER: two armored kills using a machete, even
06:21:23 ER: game seems to run pretty well, though some sounds were distorted.
06:23:37 ER: it's nice to be able to run around in daylight with a machete, because hey my soul is already damned anyway. ;P
06:25:51 syv: That is the most stressful DaS has EVER been for me.
06:26:17 ER: not every day that you find the BURG terrifying :P
06:26:41 syv: There's monsters in every direction, and I can hear them coming for me.
06:27:22 syv: Fights are a constant chaotic jumble where I'm rushing in and out so I can see what they're doing but can avoid their attacks.
06:27:44 syv: Lockon makes things weird, but without it blocking is hard, and aiming is guesswork.
06:28:08 syv: When I stream it, I'll do a shieldless dual-wield run, at least until it gets grindy.
06:28:46 syv: Opening Hunt now, that'll be good for relaxation.
06:30:11 syv: Also, it makes Asylum actually almost difficult. He still dies very quickly, but I can't see what he's doing.
06:30:17 ER: harry coupland is feeling optimistic about his chances of survival
06:30:27 syv: It's just fat belly wobbles, and then GIANT HAMMER
06:31:32 syv: Ahould I choose a ranked guy, or a new guy>
06:31:59 ER: I only have level 1s, but I've got him kitted out as well as I can
06:40:36 syv: Fire effects are visible from a distance in true darkness. I really want to fight Gwyn with it on, because I'm pretty sure his flaming sword would be the only visible thing in the arena.
06:41:26 syv: And it would just be so awesome to watxh his leap come in, just this massive flying fire launching into the air and coming down st you.
07:16:29 ER: so yeah, you stood still in place for a while, then fell over dead. When I moused over your corpse it said "you have already collected bounty from this monster"
07:16:38 ER: soooo I just ran for the evac
07:16:59 syv: And don't seem to be reconnected yet.
07:17:17 ER: at least it happened at the start, rather than at the end :P
07:18:33 ER: well if you reconnect, we'll do one more round
07:18:54 ER: should probably go to sleep some time before four hours from now
07:19:07 ER: if not, I'll do another quickplay! :D
07:19:44 syv: Steam seems to be having a stroke.
07:19:59 ER: also, my new daily challenge is to kill 35 grunts with melee. That seems fun, huh? :D
07:20:49 ER: specially because you can always start quickplay with a melee
07:21:10 ER: gives you a choice between a revolver, shotgun, melee, or random
07:22:39 syv: Okay, it seems to be working again.
07:24:07 ER: yeah, think I'll still just do a quickplay
07:24:32 syv: Prolly just do one myself, stab some zombies.
07:26:10 ER: winning a quickplay seems like it might be even harder than winning a bounty
07:26:19 ER: despite being the more casual mode
07:27:01 syv: Game seemed a bit broken. Told me I was rank 1 and wouldn't let me go into any other menu.
07:27:09 ER: ...I feel like they should have called it something other than just quickplay, given that it's totally different rules
07:29:16 syv: You didn't notice that before?
07:29:41 syv: In our girst run, just past the water thing you noticed, there was a flock of ducks.
07:29:59 syv: I wonder why the water devils don't eat the ducks.
07:43:14 ER: well, I got to see what happens when someone else gets all the energy and you don't find them! :P
07:53:25 ER: started with an axe. Killed some grunts. Ran to the nearest rift, got shot by a dude with a rifle
07:54:00 ER: huh, I got 25 bounty for "bad luck"
07:54:15 ER: guess you get that if you spawn late?
07:54:15 Devastator: is getting bounties good or bad?
07:54:43 ER: that's just what the game calls getting money
08:01:26 ER: another new thing is that you can pick up weapons from dead hunters.
08:02:06 ER: Apparantly if you steal someone's gun and evac with it's it's marked as "contraband" and you can't sell it. I can see why they did that but it's kinda BS.
08:06:22 ER: got the first rift, went to the second, suddenly realized that what I was slashing at was a hive and got poisoned, ran around the corner and realized that the things I was slashing at was a player, hacked wildly at air, got killed by his cavalry saber
08:10:03 ER: apparently in bounty mode, I've killed two players and been killed by players eight times. I've killed the boss 4 times and extracted with both bounty tokens two times.
08:10:59 ER: and I've wiped a team 0 times, which I guess means we've never really won a teamfight. :\
08:12:43 syv: We've done at least one teamwipe, I am certain.
08:13:38 syv: Maybe you died so it didn't count it for you, but I know that I had a teamwipe marked, and I certainly didn't do that solo.
08:15:41 ER: but yeah, I should stop now >.>
08:16:27 ER: I like the quickplay, it's a lower stakes game to cool down from the tense co-op mode
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08:36:51 Devastator: well, that was a mistake.
08:36:56 Devastator: don't go south from Harrisburg.
08:43:50 Devastator: The road to the west of harrisburg and the road to the south of harrisburg make an immense, complicated loop that goes nowhere.
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