00:49:13 Devastator: Still six billion demons to go.
00:49:50 ER: a king's work is never done
00:51:06 Devastator: I'm mostly just rounding down. ;-p
00:51:18 Devastator: I doubt Ally's killed five hundred billion demons, so it stays at six.
03:39:29 Devastator: Oz is getting hosed in Cabal.
03:42:55 Devastator: Two consecutive 1d10 v 1d4 failures is rough.
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04:21:17 syv: Hello, you questionably-sentient sapients.
04:21:32 syv: No, don't get why Radio does that.
04:21:56 ER: that mission was long and disappointingly uneventful
04:22:37 syv: 100 global, and a lot of >100 individual payouts.
04:23:11 ER: getting paid well isn't THAT great when I have to go back month and months to count anything that I might get paid for.
04:23:49 syv: That's why I've been recording my achievements as they happen~
04:23:49 ER: which in this case, I'm counting as potentially every single thing I did because
PW doesn't really provide metrics for what counts.
04:24:22 syv: "Glorious" things. I.E, anything which advanced the mission, or was cool.
04:25:12 ER: wonder what to do if I get over the 600 mark. My own plane, or +3 tank skill?~
04:25:57 syv: Plane would be more useful for the group, but would probably be less interesting.
04:26:16 syv: Though if you get a plane, Simon is going to get a parachute and jump out of it every mission.
04:27:12 syv: I think the mission was supposed to be a lot more about gradually taking the town while linking up with la resistance and uncovering occultism, and then gearing up for one big assault on the bunkered up hill. The tank was probably supposed to be a bossfight, but in our hands became something of a mission bypass.
04:27:26 ER: Or I could spend 600 on officially requsitioning my own tank, which means we can wreck it. My own lack of skill won't matter because I'll just be commanding newbies~
04:27:42 syv: Though, on the other hand, that lightning was WAAAY too lethal for a drawn out mission.
04:28:50 syv: If you buy a tank, I may just have to go back and change my spending to buying a third tank. Turn this game into an armored combat game.
04:29:13 syv: "Our next mission is a black ops mission."
04:29:21 ER: You have to admit it would be fun.
04:29:42 syv: I would have loved to have three tanks during the investigation mission.
04:30:00 syv: One of them being a Nazi tank, no less.
04:30:05 ER: Yeah, we COULD have three tanks, plus however many GLORIOUS people we can convince to buy a tank themselves. :P
04:30:34 syv: I think that might be it, though?
04:30:47 ER: seems better than some big bombs...
04:30:50 syv: Four tanks would be difficult to man, TBH.
04:31:08 syv: Five would be right out. We'd need NPCs helping out.
04:31:15 ER: yeah we better stick to three
04:31:42 ER: having some PC infantry support is probably a good idea ;P
04:32:00 ER: well, depends how much GLORY I get
04:32:49 syv: ...Hmm. I should ask how much a hireling costs.
04:33:44 syv: Sadlym like almost everyone else, Tobeis has junk camo.
04:35:33 syv: Simon would love a buddy for backup, but pretty much everyone he might take has +0 or +1 camo, and as such has a 50% chance to spoil his cover.
04:36:23 syv: And IIRC everyone who's had +3 camo is incompetent.
04:36:25 ER: ...I mean, I could always take camo skill, too :P
04:36:51 syv: You want to go on scouting adventures with Simon, rather than drive a tank?
04:37:23 syv: Well, Simon did charge a tank with a knife, while wounded, and on a scouting mission, which he embarked upon without any means of communication.
04:37:30 ER: I could do anything, because Alice is a blank slate, because she has no useful skills or items.
04:37:50 syv: He is incompetent by every metric aside from his success rate. ;P
04:38:25 ER: want to go on scouting adventures with Simon, rather than drive a tank?
04:39:12 ER: sometimes copy paste fucks up on hyrdairc
04:40:07 syv: Yup. I was fully aware at the time, and knew it kinda rendered the scouting pointless.
04:40:32 syv: That was because OOC, I was intending to have Simon decide his "scouting" mission was actually to assault the primary target alone.
04:41:04 ER: still might be the best idea to get a plane and chuck you out of it at the start of every mission, and as often as possible.
04:41:15 syv: But then he got hit by magical lightning, and I decided that stealing a tank would be a far safer and reliable option.
04:41:28 syv: I have no problem with that plan!
04:44:56 ER: "Just like drivin' a car, 'sept you don't have ta stop when you hit something."
04:48:10 ER: and then my next post is the allcaps rant, great
04:51:33 ER: It only ENDS with the navy seal copypasta, the rest is stream of consiousness.
04:57:10 Devastator: Can you buy magic in 888th?
04:57:11 syv: Yes me? Affirmative you? Weird greeting.
04:57:54 Devastator: Hmm. Want suggestions for Alice?
04:58:18 ER: Magic bullshit seems to be solely the purview of the shitty nazis
04:58:55 Devastator: Go get a stack of bazookas.
04:58:56 ER: I'll ask if I can have a magic plane though, if that's been reverse engineered yet.
04:59:11 Devastator: Why not? Fire them fast enough and you'll fly.
05:01:18 syv: If you want to make suggestions, make suggestion for the name of Simon's tank.
05:02:21 ER: I feel like I shouldn't have to provide reasons why not for that, because those reasons should be self-evident.
05:02:51 syv: "Ohhh, imagine if we found another big cargo plane, we could stuff the tank into it, and then drive it out with a parachute next time we raid a secret Nazi base!"
05:03:09 syv: You need to buy a plane, and Simon will buy a tank parachute.
05:03:18 syv: This is our new entry method.
05:03:40 Devastator: How do you keep a plane on a destroyer, anyway?
05:04:12 syv: It's a magic VTOL cloud summoning plane.
05:04:20 syv: Maybe it folds up into a briefcase, too.
05:04:32 Devastator: Well, you could buy a big mortar or something.
05:06:22 syv: There's a mortar that uses sniper skill, but it costs 600, same as a tank. And fires non-explosive rounds.
05:06:41 Devastator: what kinda mortar fires non-explosive rounds?
05:06:46 Devastator: That's kinda the whole point of one.
05:06:55 syv: It's a really special mortar.
05:06:57 ER: Yeah, some of the promotions seem distinctly not worth it
05:07:14 ER: at least compared to something like a tank
05:07:17 syv: Honestly, it's kind've insane that you can get a modern heavy tank for 600, considering all the other promotions are so much weaker.
05:07:18 Devastator: Weren't they like four per companies?
05:08:33 syv: "Yay! I can finally buy THREE building-destroying satchel charges! ...Or I could buy one tank, and ram it through thirty buildings, while picking off Nazis with the MGs and laughing as their bullets ping off my armor. Hmm."
05:08:51 syv: Still flabbergasted that Oz actually BOUGHT that one.
05:09:07 Devastator: I'd take the satchel charges, actually.
05:09:23 syv: Could just have bough six satchel charges for less glory, and gotten 90% of the use out of them.
05:10:10 syv: "Building Killer: Building killers are given explosive charges specially formulated and designed by the 888th. These charges are high power and extremely directional, putting out the equivalent of an expanding knife edge of destruction. These bombs can be used to level or weaken structures in exactly the way the user desires. These bombs are scalpels and you get 3 of them."
05:10:42 syv: A normal satchel charge, which is full capable of taking down most normal buildings when placed well, costs 30 per.
05:11:03 ER: With how
PW prices things, you could probably GET three satchel charges of the same power for under half the price of a promotion.
05:11:04 Devastator: Probably for magic targets, then.
05:11:10 Devastator: taking out enemy gods or something.
05:11:49 syv: "Fireman: Gain the use of an 888th fireman suit. This asbestos and rubber suit is virtually fireproof and comes with a built in arm mounted flamethrower unit and fire ax. The flamethrower is risk 5 and has less coverage than the standard flamethrower, but holds twice as many shots. The fire ax is risk 3 and gets bonuses to rolls for hacking through doors and debris."
05:11:49 ER: okay, under a sixth of the cost, then
05:12:30 ER: A fireproof suit and a flamethrower that's worse than a normal one, great.
05:12:31 syv: Risk three trench knife costs 60, flamethrower likely costs <100, and fireproofing... well, it probably always costs 600.
05:13:23 ER: He's probably forgotten that fireman exists, and you could ask for a fireproof suit price and he'd give you 30 or something.
05:15:03 syv: There's two melee weapons that cost 600. One is risk 2 brass knuckles that add your strength to your rolls, so max risk 5 if you made terrible stat choices. The other is a risk 3 sword that gains +1 risk for every kill you make with it, max 10, resetting at the end of missions. Both use nonstandard weapon skills (unarmed and exotic, respectively), so you're penalized until you can afford them.
05:15:22 syv: And, to top it off, risk is only rolled against *players*...
05:16:24 ER: If Alice died, I was totally going to make a exotic melee user and spend my cross-life GLORY on a saber or something.
05:17:05 syv: Though, an AT recoilless rifle is risk 6, and a satchel charge is risk 10, so I would be tempted to get that saber just so I can argue that the saber should be capable of bisecting tanks.
05:17:46 ER: I think once you reach that point, bisecting tanks is kinda the point of it?
05:18:27 ER: That sword at least seems like you could do some stupid things with it, like knock walls down with it.
05:18:59 ER: not too hard if you're sneaky.
05:19:23 ER: or 7 dead anyones really, if you're feeling ruthless enough.
05:19:31 syv: Honestly I think he said max 10 because that's the point at which you always oneshot anyone you hit. By player health mechanics.
05:23:15 syv: Best of all, I bet you 30 glory that Simon could win a swordfight against a 10-risk saber user, just by having max melee.
05:27:56 ER: I like how we killed the main objective of the mission in one turn after getting in position, using a single tank shell, on a roll of 3.
05:28:28 syv: Was it Ed firing? He does have +2 tank.
05:29:13 syv: So at least it is technically a roll of 5, though 888th's system is stupid.
05:29:56 syv: I wish Coven weren't dead. :(
05:30:31 syv: It has a better system, both balance wise, and because Ben could just keep stacking banal to absurd levels and have no real failure chance.
05:30:31 ER: Though it seems popular and long running enough to maybe deserve a sudden reality shift style rebalancing?
05:30:41 Devastator: Yeah, Coven was fun.
05:30:52 Devastator: Well, yes, against banal. There were lots of non-banal ways to die.
05:31:28 ER: so it was a good system because you in particular could exploit it by playing wrong? :P
05:31:29 syv: But I like game design where a good player can basically remove random chance.
05:31:43 syv: What games do I play *right*?
05:32:14 syv: "Play" implies I have fun. ._.
05:32:26 Devastator: Coven might come back eventually.
05:33:11 Devastator: Yes. Nan is not yet pretty enough. ;-p
05:33:38 ER: if we define playing right as "how the game designer intended", then Nyw seems to be pretty much how honored dead are supposed to work
05:34:01 syv: Eh, that's true enough. He's damn close to a pacifist, though.
05:34:14 syv: He *really* wanted to capture the slavers alive, for one.
05:34:34 ER: That's the problem with being a paladin. ;P
05:34:39 syv: Which goes directly against the Honored Dead thing of just decapotating people without a word.
05:34:43 Devastator: That's the whole point of playing a paladin.
05:34:50 ER: Lawful Good, but really good at killing shit
05:35:08 syv: HD aren't exactly paladins, as written.
05:35:15 Devastator: I did explain to one of you why I feel paladins of other alignments don't make sense, right?
05:35:35 syv: Maybe to
ER, not to me. Or at least a long time ago.
05:35:46 Devastator: It was a while ago.
05:36:02 Devastator: Generally, it is because only someone Lawful Good can really 'fall.'
05:36:09 ER: I don't think CE paladins make sense, because a CE character doesn't make a pact to always act CE
05:36:33 ER: 1:24 AM]
ER: @Mr.Bones the "bone's blade" promotion in 888th gives you a sword that can go up to 10 risk if you keep killing people with it. A satchel charge is 10 risk. Does this mean that a fully charged bone's blade could slice tanks in half, or at least do serious damage?
05:36:34 ER: [1:35 AM] Mr.Bones: Probably!
05:36:39 syv: I'm not sure why the point would be made, though. D&D 3.5 only allows LG pallys, unless they're fallen LGs, so...
05:37:03 Devastator: There's plenty of alternate paladins out there.
05:37:43 syv: Well sure, but there's plenty of mary sues in D&D in general. And in many other systems there's equally stupid and sueish stuff.
05:37:57 ER: LN and LE paladins kinda make sense, but then again that kinda overlaps with monks being a generically lawful class.
05:38:40 Devastator remembers that monk barfight thing.
05:39:22 syv: LE pallys make sense as fallen LGs, but it's hard to see as a start. Maybe if they're a demon pawn or something, but then they should be more warlocky than holy. LN...
05:39:43 ER: Though, if you're not treating alignment as a hard and fast rule of the universe, (as you should) then paladins are just people with a set of vows, possibly made to gods or other powerful figures, which is they break they'll fall.
05:40:02 syv: Well, LN do kinda fit, as crazy arbiters of balance. Hell, they can fall. Make them grow a conscience, and they "fall" up. Or standard make them hate, so they fall to evil, as standard.
05:40:20 Devastator: That's not what LN means..
05:40:30 ER: or they do neither and just become too chaotic ;P
05:40:36 syv: I can't really see an LN pally being anything else.
05:41:20 ER: everyone has their own ideas about what the heck alignment is supposed to be, which is part of what makes it a dumb system.
05:41:40 syv: Ah, you're making the argument of LN being "follow all laws, regardless of how stupid or evil they are"?
05:42:04 syv: What is your argument, then?
05:42:24 ER: at least it's not making the argument that LG is following all laws, no matter how insane and currupt. :V
05:42:42 syv: ...Which it often ends up doing anyway.
05:42:42 ER: "You can't free these slaves, because slavery is legal here!"
05:43:01 syv: But see there's totally LG paladins who would say that.
05:43:04 Devastator: LNs believe the world is best served by things working as they should be, so people can achieve happiness through understanding what they have to offer the world.
05:44:04 syv: IIRC, as the alignments were stated in my 3.5e PH, LN was "Follow all laws no matter how stupid or good or corrupt. Order and structure, regardless of their intent, are paramount."
05:44:24 Devastator: They didn't understand alignments by then.
05:44:24 syv: Which is entirely insane, yes, buuut if it's what the book said...
05:45:14 Devastator: They didn't then, they don't now, and they didn't originally.
05:45:16 syv: Also, 3.5 was set in Planescape, which will never not be the best D&D setting.
05:45:34 syv: "Everyone except me and this smart guy is wrong!"
05:46:21 ER: well, because I have PF 2.0 on hand :P
05:46:23 ER: ""Your character has a lawful alignment if she values
05:46:23 ER: consistency, stability, and predictability over flexibility.
05:46:23 ER: Lawful characters have a set system in life, whether it’s
05:46:23 ER: meticulously planning day-to-day activities, carefully
05:46:24 ER: following a set of official or unofficial laws, or strictly
05:46:24 ER: adhering to a code of honor.
05:46:36 Devastator: The way I judge it,
syv, is if my definition carries well to anyone's table.
05:47:32 Devastator: That's not too bad,
ER. Read a lot worse than that.
05:47:55 Devastator wants to punch whoever equated 'lawful' with 'follows laws'
05:48:24 Devastator: Yes, I know it was most likely more than one person, but it's an idea that deserves more than one punch.
05:48:54 ER: and it explains law/chaos and good/evil seperately, so the Neutral part is "not willing to go too far out of your way to help people, and also not willing to victimize others"
05:49:12 ER: Order is the opposite of Chaos, not law. :P
05:49:21 Devastator: Hmm, that's not how I define TN.
05:50:10 syv: Uh huh. And if you go to someone's table where they say LN means you have to follow all laws at all times, or you get forced into TN?
05:51:06 syv: Everyone knows TN is all about opposing whatever is dominant and forcing change no matter the current state.
05:52:01 Devastator: It's very difficult to say that my definition is wrong, even from the point of view of someone believing that all laws must be followed.
05:52:09 ER: TN is about picking a spot on the infinite and subjective alignment charge and saying that it's the true center. :P
05:52:24 syv: CN is "Roll a die, then ignore the result and start trying to eat the Druid because fuck roll charts and their confining rules."
05:52:48 syv:
Dev, your definition is wrong, and I don't even know what it is.
05:53:05 Devastator: I said it earlier,
syv.
05:53:11 Devastator: that was my definition of LN.
05:53:19 Devastator: LNs believe the world is best served by things working as they should be, so people can achieve happiness through understanding what they have to offer the world.
05:53:20 syv: It's still trivial to say it's wrong.
05:53:33 ER: CN is "fuck alignment rules, I'm just going to draw a smily face where my alignment is supposed to go and do whatever I want"
05:54:31 Devastator: I also don't feel they're too restrictive. It's like saying a building foundation is restrictive. Sure, that's technically true, but you don't build anything big without a foundation.
05:55:05 Devastator: Like you found Nan to be an interesting character. I think that was because I developed a foundation for her behavior, which made it much easier to play her.
05:58:39 Devastator: Anyway, enough ranting.
05:58:40 syv: Did I say the alignment chart was restrictive?
05:58:43 Devastator: back to the WW2 game.
05:58:51 Devastator: Nah, that's just something I've heard too often.
05:58:57 syv: But it's not restrictive unless you have a shit GM.
05:59:04 Devastator: or are a shit player.
05:59:18 Devastator: How is your group going,
ER?
05:59:36 syv: Oh, yeah, I've heard nothing about that for awhile.
05:59:43 ER: if you have a shit enough GM to restrict you using the alignment system, they're probably going to restrict you no matter what
05:59:45 syv: You should have some good stories by now!
06:00:18 ER: Well, I got some actual use out of witch bolt this time.
06:00:46 ER: Pair of zombie orges had enough health for the damage over time of witch bolt to matter.
06:01:04 ER: had some good rolls, and some bad.
06:01:50 ER: We fought a lot of zombies out in the open field, and were smart enough to treat that as a running battle rather than charging in.
06:02:28 ER: Next session we have to fight a LOT of zombies, so we're going to set up on a hill and set a pit trap for them.
06:03:32 ER: due to poor desicions last session, we started this one in the middle of the night, high on various herbs, and looking to go fight some zombies.
06:03:54 syv: ...Very poor decisions indeed.
06:04:35 Devastator: as long as they aren't save-or-die spiders.
06:04:39 Devastator: Very bad to fight those when drunk.
06:04:58 Devastator: Very bad to fight those at all, really.
06:05:31 Devastator: I think they had twenty-plus kills, because no PCs could ever ignore the damn spider pit in the middle of the spider farm.
06:05:38 syv: Very bad to fight save-or-die anything.
06:05:59 Devastator: Welcome to the games I used to play! ;-p
06:06:53 ER: well, sorcerers have d6 HP but proficent con saves for some reason, so I might be slightly more likely to survive a hit from something like that.
06:07:07 ER: as opposed to something that just does damage.
06:07:43 syv: Take Tenser's Transformation when it becomes available.
06:08:04 ER: GM said if I got hit by a zombie orge it was something like 80% chance I get knocked out, 30% chance I just die from the massive damage rule.
06:09:40 ER: Well, I only have +1 to con right now. I guess giving sorc profeceincy in con saves is kinda to make up for the fact you probably didn't take a good con roll. :V
06:10:04 syv: Why WOULDN'T you take a good roll on con?
06:10:06 Devastator: It's often a good pick for a caster.
06:10:16 syv: It's like the second most important stat for casters.
06:11:26 Devastator: Well, if you're on d6es it's not that necessary.
06:11:32 ER: who takes defensive options? outrageous!
06:11:43 Devastator: CN spontaneous caster, right?
06:11:57 Devastator: Did you take a race that grants flight?
06:12:37 syv: Are there races that grant flight?
06:12:45 ER: Didn't have the right book for aracora, and GM said they're not allowed, though I didn't question it farther because I couldn't play one anyway.
06:12:46 syv: Also, no, she's a tiefling IIRC.
06:24:56 Devastator: a tiefling that makes things explode.
06:26:35 ER: well, I can throw motes of fire at things, toss blue lightning, and perform various party tricks.
06:28:51 syv: ...Huh, so Which Bolt actually does have a choice involved? Fire vs Lightning? Or are they different spells?
06:29:16 ER: Fire bolt is not Witch bolt
06:29:40 ER: Fire bolt is my damage cantrip, witch bolt is my damage 1st level spell
06:31:57 ER: witch bolt is a ranged spell attack which shoot a blue bolt of electrcity which deals 1d10 damage. But the fun part is that if it hits, it connects me to the target by a sustained bolt, and I can deal 1d10 damage to them every turn as long as I stay in ragne.
06:32:40 ER: It DOES still take my action to do that damage, so no stacking up spells. But It's d10 a turn for not additional attack rolls or spell slots.
06:33:48 Devastator: Yeah, not too shabby.
06:52:20 ER: I don't remember that one scaling at all, but it could still be useful?
06:52:45 ER: oh yeah, d12 damage actually
06:53:07 syv: That's actually really good.
06:53:37 syv: Becomes more or less useless, later, but is really great when you can't cast an L4 spell.
06:53:45 ER: firebolt does eventually get more powerful with level
06:58:28 syv: So you've got something good now, and something good in the future. That's... good?
07:00:14 syv: So any further idea on what Simon should name his tank?
07:00:44 syv: I'm torn between something over the top and inappropriate, or a lengthy woman's name.
07:02:48 Devastator: but yeah, Isabella is fine. ;-p
07:03:01 Devastator: So I take it you guys screwed up in spidergame,
ER?
07:03:06 Devastator: or at least the other guys?
07:03:44 syv: Every time I see someone say "spidergame", I get my hopes up for a few seconds before remembering that spidergame is actually dridergame, and that it sucks.
07:08:48 Devastator: 'It would appear he noticed his reflection in the floor again. He is now attempting to "beat" the "other" d-d-doctor to his destination. '
07:09:27 ER: Eh. We found some woman in an iron maiden who had apparantly been teleported there or something. Then we ran into successively more OP enemies in the hopes that they would kill us off, and in the end defeated the necromancer at the cost of my and the leper's lives.
07:10:01 ER: Then it turned out that the woman we saved was infected with something, after we left.
07:10:56 Devastator: So you fell for the damn trojan horse ploy.
07:14:18 ER: As I said, I died to the OP boss monster that the GM explicitly put there so that we would TPK
07:14:48 ER: ...once it became clear that we would not TPK from the OP ghoul we also had to fight
07:17:49 Devastator: There was an interlude where it was a more conventional game.
07:17:54 Devastator: apparently they screwed the world.
07:18:09 ER: sidney got knocked out for a while, so we had a little darkest dungeon flavored intermission
07:18:25 ER: with individual characters, rather than SG style
07:18:41 ER:
Dev sat it out, because goblin
07:19:00 Devastator: Coven was updating regularly then..
07:21:06 syv: It was updating regularly ever?
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07:23:22 Devastator: Anyway, I'll be updating birdgame late saturday night. Hopefully
MJ's around.
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07:25:12 syv: With some stupid epithet referencing running people over.
07:25:35 ER: welp, vote stays on Isabella
07:26:44 ER: strangly fitting concatenation
07:27:23 syv: Well, she was death/rage and not hatred, as
Dev insists on saying in private chat, but meh.
07:27:30 syv: It's kinda the best of both worlds.
07:27:48 syv: And I can't think of any stupid tank puns for death or rage.
07:27:59 ER: ...I don't pay attention to witch types, much
07:28:57 Devastator: "Maybe it's a ware-house like a were-wolf and it needs a full moon."
07:29:06 syv: I'd say that's a mistake, but then I kinda doubt anyone could actually guess what the types mean with a useful degree of accuracy.
07:30:12 ER: Hmm, rage is subverted bravery, I guess. Rage WAS going to be Refine's melee attribute, but Fury has slightly more netural connotations.
07:31:10 ER: not the melee attribute, it's speed/dexterity
07:33:13 ER: My wires are kinda mixed up with fury and defiance, because generally the raw agression is ascociated with melee characters.
07:34:13 ER: Here it's speed, dodge, and ranged. It's the basest emotion, and also the more important combat stat.
07:35:45 ER: I noticed that Joy is the most vital stat when I failed at using it during the test. :V
07:36:10 syv: Nah, the best stat is Creativity.
07:36:27 ER: I assumed that "you don't need to roll to use magic" meant that using mobility could get me up there without a roll.
07:36:31 syv: Remember the repeated failures to FIND the witch in the test game?
07:36:52 syv: Mobility more or less does that for most things at L3.
07:37:57 ER: This directly led me to some of the wording for how powers work in P&P. Rolling to cast is not the same as rolling to use the spell.
07:38:27 ER: no chance of fucking up the creation of a bolt, but it still relies on your own aim.
07:39:16 ER: there IS a chance of fucking up a flurry of bolts, and you STILL need to aim, so that's two rolls in exchange for more damage.
08:40:04 ER: what am I going to do when I'm done waiting?
08:40:37 ER: why don't I already know the answers to these questions?
08:43:25 syv: Because you haven't slept enough?
09:20:04 ER: I probably don't have any excuse to not update death plane at this point
09:20:22 Devastator: I don't care anymore about it.
09:20:29 Devastator: It's dead to me now.
09:24:17 ER: eh, I'll keep it open so long as people are still interested in it. I'm just not too worried about rate of updates
09:27:17 syv: Y'know, as helpful as it can be to brush up on the origins of whichever meme, I really should stop looking at KYM. I always end up hating people afterward.
09:28:19 ER: and doing other things doesn't make you hate people?
09:28:37 syv: Apparently the genderswapped Bowser is no longer the most popular. Now, though, Goblin Slayer is trending. That manga full of random goblin rape that
Piecewise linked before got an anime adaption. Aaand it's popular.
09:28:47 syv: Most things don't make me hate people.
09:29:32 ER: goblin slayer is a favorite thing for us to complain about in the bone zone, because
PW's recommended it a few times
09:30:08 syv: Oh! People insult his taste over there?
09:31:32 syv: He unironically played through Saya for the story.
09:31:46 syv: Dude deserves some insults to his taste.
09:34:17 Devastator: I thought his taste was 'everything'
09:34:48 syv: And "everything" is horrible.
09:35:04 syv: Though no, that isn't his taste, because there's plenty he dislikes.
09:35:36 Devastator: What does he dislike?
09:36:39 syv: I recall him complaining about RWBY, but picking on stupid memetic flaws. Which is really annoying, because there is so much that's wrong with that show, you could actually pick real flaws.
09:37:58 syv: Yes, it has lazy animation. But... like, it has *horrible* plotting, characterization, setting, and drama. The animation is merely poor.
09:38:17 Devastator: Oh, incidently, you know that trailer you showed me of it?
09:39:48 syv: It's like picking on Trump for his family largely being bad people. It's true enough, but there's so much more major flaws.
09:40:04 syv: Also I can't really think of any lesser flaws for Trump himself, FOR SOME REASON.
09:40:25 ER: I'm sad that RWBY is apparantly terrible.
09:41:17 syv: Hey, some people like it. They just... are very willing to tolerate a lot of flaws. A lot of flaws.
09:41:24 ER: Lesser flaws for trump? Well, his hair looks kinda dumb.
09:41:48 Devastator: He conflates reality television with reality.
09:42:19 ER: That sounds like a symptom of a greater problem, not a lesser problem itself
09:42:38 syv: Yeah, there you go. It's like unironically saying that you won't vote for Trump because of his skin color and hair, not because of any of his personality disorders or stances.
09:42:55 syv: Yes, it's true, but it comes across as ignorant.
09:43:24 syv: (
Devastator) Leng is currently playing that characters weapon.
09:43:27 syv: (
syv) Yeah, so? So have I.
09:43:56 syv: It occurs to me that he might possibly mean LITERALLY playing the weapon, as in a sapient object, which would be even more radically awesome.
09:44:21 ER: the combiscythe gunsctruct is a thing of dumb beuty, indeed.
09:44:55 ER: She's a little girl who transforms into a bladed gun
09:45:26 Devastator: Yes, it's the sapient object.
09:45:27 syv: That's pretty much the one good thing I have to say about RWBY, the weapon ideas are just stupid awesome. Grenade-launcher warhammer, why not? Shotgun gauntlets with enough recoil to fly, sure! pistol-nunchuks which combine into a bowstaff! Yeah...
09:45:40 syv: Well that's just great then. I love living weapon chars.
09:45:50 syv: Kind've a pity that she turns into a person though.
09:46:25 ER: There is something refreshing about playing as a weapon, yes.
09:47:15 ER: ...unfortunatly most of the games I've done that for have died. :(
09:49:16 ER: that's where Leng is a weapon.
09:50:15 ER: Clunkers should still be alive.
09:50:32 ER: I tried to get back into it, but gave up.
09:51:02 syv: I really wish Oz wasn't such a jackass. Dar was my favorite character.
09:51:18 syv: Even with Oz doing his damndest to sabotage the char.
09:53:59 Devastator: Aylia died pretty badly.
09:54:10 syv: You must be happy about that.
09:54:16 Devastator: she tried to steal the powers from the person she was grooming.
09:54:36 syv: Ohhh. Wait. Do I remember this?
09:55:01 syv: Was this with Noir, ATH's halfdragon self-insert-ish char?
09:55:03 ER: yeah, that explosion happened quite a while back
09:56:34 syv: How do most characters die? By random events or minor mistakes that they have virtually no ability to predict.
09:57:11 Devastator: I died from activating jet engines indoors..
09:57:15 ER: guess that's why he started Grunts
09:57:15 Devastator: that seemed pretty dangerous to me.
09:57:21 syv: What two characters survive the longest? A literal metal golem, and the munchkin's munchkinned char, who ALSO became a metal golem.
09:57:42 syv: And by longest I mean they're the only survivors.
09:58:05 syv: Both of whom came pretty damn close to death several times.
09:58:22 ER: being made of metal and bullshit magic IS a good excuse for surviving things
09:58:33 Devastator: Well, metal guy's gonna have trouble on this one.
09:58:45 syv: Oh, yes. Definitely. But if that's the ONLY way to survive, something is very wrong.
09:58:49 Devastator: falling down an icy mountaintop with -2 movement and being a giant iron thing is likely to die.
09:59:16 ER: uh, that's not clunkers you're thinking of
09:59:36 syv:
ER's 15% lethality rate was much too low, I'll agree with that. A 90% lethality rate is way way too high though.
09:59:39 ER: giant metal thing with -2 movement is the iron golem, and he's doomed
09:59:59 syv: Clunkers should be pretty high in every useful stat by now.
10:00:11 syv: He's got loads of XP, and Pan's no fool.
10:00:24 ER: 90% is roughly what I aimed for with death plane's rules, but that's kinda the point.
10:07:39 Devastator grumbles about seeing four turns of inaction spent to avoid killing anyone.
10:12:45 Devastator: That probably would have went over worse than nukedoor, though.
10:13:15 syv: What would've? In what game?
10:13:49 Devastator: setting a nuke off killing an entire pod of guys.
10:16:04 syv:
ER, I see Alice is stealing Simon's superlative theme.
10:16:24 syv: Simon is totally the annoyingest commander, though, not merely annoying.
10:16:43 syv: Alice wasn't annoyed more by any other commander, after all.
10:16:58 ER: I might have been, you don't know!
10:17:13 ER: I ended up in the 888th, after all.
10:17:23 syv: You definitely haven't because no other tank commanders are as annoying as Simon!
10:18:07 ER: good job, you successfully constructed a circle
10:18:33 syv: Not that I know what a circle is, no siree,
10:18:40 syv: Sideless shapes are still heresy.
10:18:51 Devastator: So
ER, any character goals in CULT now that you've returned the dead to life?
10:19:02 Devastator: Just call them priests.
10:19:29 Devastator: that was
paris's char.
10:21:46 Devastator: You muffed a seagull.
10:22:12 syv: Hmm. Rejive called me Simon in the 888th OOC.
10:22:35 Devastator: Something up with that guy.
10:22:37 syv: The other three people he referred to by forum profile name.
10:22:45 ER: my character goals are to be the one sensible one long enough to willingly make a horrible mistake.
10:23:04 syv: Eh, seems young and socially awkward, but not much worse. He's no
Aigre,
10:23:23 syv: Could've been me, five years ago.
10:23:43 Devastator: Ahh. Which means..?
10:24:11 syv: Which statement is that directed at?
10:24:26 syv: Horrible mistake, no
aigre, or years ago?
10:24:34 Devastator: my character goals are to be the one sensible one long enough to willingly make a horrible mistake.
10:25:24 ER: I feel like this should be fairly obvious in the context of what game we're talking about, but.
10:25:24 syv:
ER wants to play the only sane (wo)man, up until he gets a chance to make a really, really horrible mistake.
10:25:55 syv: Namely, the moment when she has a chance to shoot Guile before he reaches the detonator.
10:26:12 ER: I'm going to build up Favor untill using it won't roll me something horrible, then make a dreadfully open-ended wish.
10:26:37 ER: I'll just ask for my god to show me something interesting about the world.
10:27:02 ER: I'm not a shooting character.
10:27:24 ER: But for the record, she wouldn't hesitate.
10:27:55 Devastator: That seems like a minor horrible mistake.
10:28:08 Devastator: It might not even be that horrible.
10:28:34 syv: This is
Piecewise, not Oz. Open ended means you get something neat but not super useful.
10:29:22 Devastator: Depends on how it's open-ended.
10:30:01 ER: that's why I've gotta piss him off by insulting his taste in manga first~
10:31:34 Devastator: It's where you get something that you think is neat and I think is horrible. ;-p
10:31:50 Devastator: But yeah, you gotta be more self-destructive than that if you want things to go horribly badly.
10:32:43 ER: How is asking an alien entity to show me something interesting not openly self-destructive?
10:34:45 syv: His Cthulhu is a ten year old girl who can be directly raped for years and only cause mild insanity.
10:34:50 Devastator: Yeha, you'll probably end up mildly affected with a nice buff.
10:35:15 Devastator: "I wish my sweat was a primary explosive."
10:35:18 Devastator: stuff like that, maybe.
10:35:43 syv: And he'd probably still give you a chance to survive if you're careful.
10:36:07 syv: And then if you survived for a few months, he'd forget about it and you'd be back to normal, essentially.
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10:42:41 syv: I have made zero progress on Mechalopolis tonight.
10:43:20 syv: I had wanted to have it done tonight so I could explain rules and chargen *before* actually running a test.
10:44:55 syv: I'm not even sure which dice system I want to use. >.<
10:45:41 ER: when in doubt, P&P system is probably all you need.
10:46:28 syv: The problem is, stamina ties into the roll system, and I'm not entirely sure how it should.
10:46:37 ER: Well, might depend on what things need to be all systemsy, but you can just apply that to a setting and have something workable.
10:47:15 syv: But I want multiple improving skill levels, which mesh with being able to spend stamina on any action to improve the roll.
10:47:50 syv: I've had multiple ideas on how to do this, have loved none of them, and completed none of them. -.-
10:53:25 ER: I dislike messing with things that have too many numbers. Sometimes the best solution is the simplest.
10:54:05 syv: Could do a roll chart system, since I love roll charts so much (yet hate RTD). D10, strictly increasing success chances, skill increases die number, stamina investment gives direct buff. Not sure on statistics, plus kind've complex. System already has looots of automation.
10:55:40 syv: I do like the general idea of hard things reducing die count, while easy things and skill increase die count. Allows infinite upscaling, and inherently causes diminishing returns, and also allows stamina to always have a direct benefit no matter your skill.
10:56:10 syv: Also doesn't scale into perfection, which is nice.
11:01:51 syv: 2d6 gives you a 55% chance of 5+ on highest roll.
11:02:28 syv: If 3 is failure, you only have a 14% failure chance.
11:02:46 ER: And you get that 2d6 for like, one thing.
11:03:01 syv: ...Wait, no, I thought was weird. It is 25%. 14% of 3 specifically.
11:03:45 syv: Six stats. Hmm. If you have to take negatives for all but a couple points, that might not be so bad.
11:04:09 syv: -1d6 is 2d6 take lowest. And of course extenuating circumstances can give more penalties.
11:05:00 ER: It's the system I'd use when I don't want to bother with stats.
11:05:13 ER: If you DO want to bother with stats, use something else.
11:05:41 ER: I still like what I came up with for Denature
11:06:49 syv: Eh, you know what, screw it. That's good enough for a test. RTD except 6 is good, >6 is great. 50% success at level 1, halves with each point, ~17% critfail + ~13% for each negative level.
11:07:01 syv: Denature is good, but the stamina system doesn't work with it so well.
11:07:22 syv: It also doesn't scale with skill in quite the way I want.
11:08:01 syv: I think it can work with either if I'm careful, but I can't make out a way to reconcile both, least not while tired.
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19:33:58 Radio_Controlled: 'Eya you wiz all up in my biz.
19:35:33 Radio_Controlled: What's the word on the mouth of this generation, devvy-t?
19:36:08 Radio_Controlled: You just ain't street enough my man.
19:37:29 Devastator: Do you want to negotiate for Saeko buffs?
19:37:50 Devastator: Might as well, you're on.
19:38:12 Radio_Controlled: Might be a little premature, no? And Pan isn't here either, and we share most of our stuff.
19:38:26 Radio_Controlled: Though if you have an opening bid I'm all ears.
19:41:20 Devastator: Well, I was thinking that for a d8 spell it would be 8 mana, plus five, and the equivalent cost to a d8 weapon, or 100 gold.
19:41:55 Radio_Controlled: Would that be 100 gold per attempt?
19:42:03 Devastator: Nah. 100 gold per success.
19:42:06 Radio_Controlled: Cause if you get a couple of bad rolls...
19:43:47 Devastator: d10s or d12s I'd probably charge the mana cost max + 5, plus any failed castings. Cost would probably double per level. 200 for a d10, 400 for a d12.
19:43:54 Radio_Controlled: That said, 100 gold is something we should be able to afford.
19:44:10 Devastator: d6 would be like that, but just the actual mana cost +5 instead of the max, and only 50 gold.
19:44:15 Radio_Controlled: Difficulty for d6 => d8 was 12, right?
19:44:30 Radio_Controlled: And d8 => d10?
19:44:55 Devastator: That one we'd have to talk about individually. That level might be better doing in pieces.
19:45:32 Devastator: break it down into several spells.
19:45:52 Radio_Controlled: Is that even possible though?
19:46:05 Devastator: Should be. I'm rocking d10 senses through temporary buffs.
19:46:14 Radio_Controlled: And honestly, getting it to d8 would already be pretty good for me, d10 might be overreaching.
19:46:18 Devastator: I could probably do it permanently with four or five spells.
19:46:29 Devastator: Well, it's your call.
19:46:34 Devastator: There's other gear that can be done, too.
19:47:08 Radio_Controlled: It'd be very useful if we could pull off, that's for sure. Especially if right after that we go hunt own those bugs that raided your caravan.
19:47:32 Radio_Controlled: In terms of gear I'm not sure what we'd want to improve. Maybe the gun and thaumic flammenwerfer?
19:47:40 Radio_Controlled: Or maybe our armor, if that's possible.
19:47:52 Devastator: am wearing similarly buffed armour.
19:48:05 Devastator: I don't think I'd give you a break in the price, unless you've actually saved peopl.
19:48:53 Radio_Controlled: You buffed d6 armor to d8 right?
19:49:14 Devastator: No reason I can't go up from there, though.
19:49:19 Radio_Controlled: That's fair, didn't expect to be getting buffs for nothing, fair payment is fair.
19:49:49 Radio_Controlled: If the challenge die gets too high it might not be worth the risk of underrolling badly and suffering feedback.
19:50:22 Radio_Controlled: Except if doing it
piecewise like you suggested works, but then that might take too much time and get boring.
19:51:02 Devastator: Can probably concatenate a bit.
19:51:15 Devastator: And don't worry about feedback. Saeko's suffered feedback before. It's not so bad.
19:52:03 Radio_Controlled: If we do end up winning that big bet, you can bet
pw wouldn't pass up a chance to knock us down a peg or two, keep us on our toes.
19:52:51 Devastator:
PW isn't that vindicitive. Just watch out with your reputations.
19:55:18 Devastator: No showing up covered in blood, and no demanding insane things.
19:55:49 Devastator:
PW did say that Pan's character resembles Groo the Wanderer, so you might want to give him a bath or something first. ;-p
19:56:39 Radio_Controlled: I'll try to make sure Ecalir doesn't spear anyone in the mouth in front of Saeko.
19:57:51 Devastator: Anyway, what do you think of those prices?
20:00:15 Radio_Controlled: They sound doable. Honestly, if I'm totally honest you could probably ask more and it'd still be reasonable.
20:00:39 Devastator: Saeko's not in this to get rich. At that price I'm likely to donate half of it away.
20:02:09 Radio_Controlled: You are free to use your money as you wish of course.
20:02:32 Radio_Controlled: Also, I've been thinking about how we could track down the bugs.
20:03:27 Radio_Controlled: Maybe we could use that magic compass we loaned to lup and, with pan's 'insect' magic word, create a new compass that points to the bugs.
20:03:53 Devastator: Couldn't you just enchant a regular compass with insect?
20:04:31 Radio_Controlled: Dunno, maybe? Figured that having another magic compass as a template/example to work from might make it easier.
20:05:04 Radio_Controlled: Given that ecalir has really bad int, we'd need to make it an easy spell for him.
20:05:42 Devastator: That might be an End spell, actually.
20:05:45 Devastator: enchanting a compass.
20:05:52 Devastator: Just finding them with a spell directly would be Kno.
20:06:20 Radio_Controlled: But, if we do find them, then his d8+1 end and the word insect should open some neato options.
20:08:00 Devastator: They're already bugs.
20:08:03 Devastator: It would let you heal them.
20:09:56 Devastator: I don't think Ape lets me mind control people.
20:10:24 Radio_Controlled: "Endurance: Spells focused on manipulating objects or bodies directly. Buffing, de-buffing, healing, repairing, manipulating forms, etc."
20:10:54 Devastator: Well, you could deheal them.
20:11:49 Radio_Controlled: Or alter their forms a bit so their pain receptors are constantly firing non-stop.
20:12:20 Radio_Controlled: In case we need some leverage and/or feel like being monstrous that day, you know :p
20:12:55 Devastator: Yeah, could do some nasty stuff.
20:13:16 Devastator: Besides, if you kill someone in front of Saeko, she might perma de-buff you.
20:13:30 Radio_Controlled: didn't you say she wouldn't go along on the bug hunt?
20:14:49 Devastator: Probably not. You guys get too much money.
20:15:44 Radio_Controlled: In this case there shouldn't be fat stacks of cash waiting, unless the bugs sleep on a mountain of gold dragon-style.
20:15:55 Devastator: It seems to happen.
20:16:02 Devastator: besides, I'm going to probably want to move on.
20:18:10 Devastator: Maybe I'll up the mana cost a bit.
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20:18:19 Devastator: I'd like to make sure I've got enough juice for that bird.
20:18:35 syv: So how much gold is worth one mana point?
20:18:39 Devastator: What's the conversion rate?
20:19:43 Radio_Controlled: I made a deal with
pw that, for convenience sake, 25 gold is normally worth 1 mana in thaum for an alchemist.
20:19:51 syv: Also, were you talking about improving a stat, or an item?
20:20:10 Radio_Controlled: Stats mostly, but potentially items as well.
20:20:15 syv: Ahhh, I thought Drv had said it was 10. That's much more reasonable then.
20:20:18 Radio_Controlled: Also hello
syv, long time no see.
20:20:37 Devastator: Do you have any item buffs in mind?
20:21:03 syv: "Well, I was thinking that for a d8 spell it would be 8 mana, plus five, and the equivalent cost to a d8 weapon, or 100 gold." (so 17 mana).
20:21:43 syv: "d10s or d12s I'd probably charge the mana cost max + 5, plus any failed castings. Cost would probably double per level. 200 for a d10, 400 for a d12." (So 12+5+4*4=33 mana for a d12)
20:21:57 Radio_Controlled: I could think of some, but nothing in particular springs to mind as being extremely important. But a bit better armor or stuff like that is always welcome of course.
20:22:08 syv: Aaand "Difficulty for d6 => d8 was 12, right?"
20:22:44 syv: Which means buying an upgrade of d6 -> d8 is less efficient, effective, and reliable than just leveling the stat.
20:23:09 Radio_Controlled: Ah, but you could go from d6 to d8 and then get that +1.
20:23:18 Devastator: If you already have a +1, it's 80 mana to get the stat to +3.
20:23:25 syv: 'Course leveling can happen at any time, but still, getting a +1 costs 10, a +2 30, 40 for both.
20:23:58 Devastator: d8+1 is better, though.
20:24:02 syv: Same way, d8+1 is worse than d6+2.
20:27:25 syv: Plus getting other stats to +1 or +2 is broadly more valuable/efficient than getting another die size increase in almost anything. Maybe if it's your primary stat, but then why would you have a d6 primary?
20:27:34 Radio_Controlled: d8 and d6+1 are very close in terms of outcomes, and the 'bonus' (in terms of mana saved) of getting that first 'lvl' through the d6=>d8 increases when you lvl further.
20:28:02 Devastator: Yeah. Besides, this is an opportunity that only lasts while one specific character is alive.
20:28:07 syv: d6+1 can't roll one, which is a virtually guaranteed critfail.
20:28:11 Radio_Controlled: I mostly want the d6=>d8 for end so I can wear that d8 armor. Would need to get a +2 otherwise.
20:28:28 Devastator: You could get me to d8ize d6 armour.
20:28:29 syv: That's also not true,
Dev. You can't know that your current method is the most efficient magical method for growth.
20:28:48 Devastator: I have a word that says 'grow'
20:28:58 Devastator: there isn't going to be a better method of doing that than that word.
20:28:59 syv: There could be stat words, or other improvement words, and some might be more efficient, especially used in concert.
20:29:03 Radio_Controlled: Then getting a d8 in spd and another +1 in spd lets me at least hold my own in combat.
20:29:22 syv: The more efficient manner,
Dev, is to just buy d8 armor.
20:29:59 Devastator: you can buy d8 armour, but can't wear it without either a +2 or d8 end.
20:30:04 syv: Getting d8 for equipment reqs makes sense though, I cann get that.
20:30:18 Radio_Controlled: Of course Darwin will never be the best fighter, but being able to contribute and not be completely screwed if ever cut off from Ecalir is a nice bonus.
20:30:34 syv: I forgot you need larger dice to wear heavier armors. :P
20:30:58 syv: Why is have d8 vs d6 armor the difference between holding your own and being completely screwed over?
20:31:26 Devastator: you also roll end HP, IIRC.
20:31:35 syv: Also, (
Devastator) there isn't going to be a better method of doing that than that word.
20:31:55 syv: Literally even if
PW said so he could be wrong.
20:32:04 Radio_Controlled: It's the better armor and having at least one decent-ish combat stat.
20:32:50 Devastator: and you're right, it is
PW.
20:33:02 Devastator: still, I doubt I'll find a better method of making something bigger than 'grow'
20:33:07 Radio_Controlled: Right now if cornered I could still go for a senses spell of course, but having an option that doesn't depend on having mana seems like a safer bet.
20:34:40 syv: Having "metal" of some kind would likely allow metalbending, strengthen words in general, and any armor words. Though I'm unsure if Cabal has forms. I recall liquid, but that's a phase, pretty distinct from "helm". A lot of mats would work too. Force, or wind, or other stuff could be used to make armor with a defensive enchant
20:35:12 Devastator: But you're right, there may be other ways.
20:35:23 Devastator: that said, 'metal' might let me make d6 armour into d8 armour, no problem.
20:35:24 syv: Armor effectiveness isn't strictly dependant on size. At least, I hope it isn't.
20:35:33 Devastator: ..but it won't let me make d6 armour d8 armour that requires d6.
20:35:59 Devastator: That one was strengthen.
20:36:04 Radio_Controlled: I think he means 'strengthen'.
20:36:07 Devastator: which is probably going to be the best for Str and End.
20:36:10 syv: "Grow" literally requires you to improve the armor by making it bigger == heavier.
20:36:30 syv: Ah, strengthen would be good, yes.
20:36:34 Radio_Controlled: Are you thinking of getting back into cabal,
syv?
20:36:56 syv: Eternally. But that's not why I'm hear.
20:37:06 Devastator: I think it killed his brother.
20:37:13 syv: My munchkin senses were just tingling, and that is *so irritating*.
20:37:15 Devastator: so he'll only re-enter it to demand revenge.
20:37:34 syv: I don't have any brothers, and both of my sisters are alive.
20:37:45 syv: I wouldn't vow revenge even if one were killed, anyway.
20:38:48 Radio_Controlled: Still, I think the strategy of getting d6 to d8 and getting a +1 to become decent at my physical stats is a valid one, especially since it makes getting a d8+2 in the future fairly attainable. Getting d6+3 would be more difficult though, that 50 mana for +2=>+3 is steep.
20:39:11 Radio_Controlled: Oh, I didn't know you have siblings!
20:39:22 Radio_Controlled: (or maybe I just forgot :v)
20:39:46 syv: I didn't know
Dev knew who Groo the Wanderer is, either. It's rare to see any reference to that char!
20:39:55 Radio_Controlled: Say hi to them for me. If they ask who the fuck I am, make something up, just make me look good!
20:40:04 Devastator: What, me make a reference that nobody else understands?
20:40:44 syv: You also said
PW knew who Groo is.
20:40:57 syv: On the topic of siblings, one is actually gonna have a child very soon. Either sat/sun/mon.
20:41:25 syv: I'll tell her an annoying Belgian guy said hi, and that you're basically the same as her husband. Because you really are.
20:41:44 Devastator: Actually,
PW didn't say 'Groo.'
20:41:54 Devastator: but that was my interpretation of his interpretation of Pan's character.
20:41:58 Radio_Controlled: Then also tell your sister she has *excellent* taste in men.
20:43:03 syv: I try not to lie to family, so nah.
20:44:23 Devastator: Also, I can't make armour bigger through 'grow.'
20:44:29 Devastator: That only applies to living things.
20:44:31 Radio_Controlled: You try not to lie to family, but we aren't family, meaning that you're lying right now and you WILL tell her!
20:45:52 Radio_Controlled: I sunk your battleship with a homerun strike. Checkmate.
20:46:00 syv: (
Devastator) You could get me to d8ize d6 armour.
20:46:00 syv: (
Devastator) I have a word that says 'grow'
20:46:00 syv: (
Devastator) there isn't going to be a better method of doing that than that word.
20:46:34 syv: Not sure how else to interpret that.
20:46:43 Devastator: there will be no word better at doing 'grow' than the word 'grow.'
20:47:17 syv: Except... you can't... grow armor?
20:47:28 Radio_Controlled: Tell that to turtles.
20:48:16 syv: Yes,
Dev, give Ecalir a d8 turtle shell.
20:48:31 Devastator: I could do that if I had turtle.. ;-p
20:48:40 Radio_Controlled: Turn him into a ninja turtle!
20:48:40 syv: While you're at it do the same to Saeko. Make a turtle-shell catgirl, for a nice little pun.
20:48:56 Devastator: You decided that she isn't a catgirl, just has extra-wide elf ears.
20:48:58 Radio_Controlled: You had a turtle, once.
20:49:27 syv: No I didn't, I couldn't come to any conclusion. Because sphynxes exist.
20:49:43 syv: She an ambiguous abomination.
20:49:56 Devastator: What madman would make furless cats, anyway?
20:51:10 Devastator: Not a good enough reason.
20:51:20 Devastator: No cat is better than hairless cat.
20:51:20 syv: Though, yeah, could just get a pet snake. Snakes are kinda like cats. They're almost more cat than cats.
20:51:35 syv: Not sure on that one, actually.
20:52:41 syv: No unconditional love from any source is better than unconditional love from an ugly source? Your parents should have made you watch more Disney movies.
20:53:00 syv: Though maybe you're just too old to be nice. ;P
20:53:18 Devastator: I like cats. I don't pretend to think they're full of unconditional love, though.
20:53:21 Devastator: Except the kittens.
20:53:25 Radio_Controlled: Are you sure catlove is unconditional?
20:53:32 Radio_Controlled: Sounds more like a dog thing.
20:53:42 syv: You just haven't known any great cats.
20:53:59 Radio_Controlled: But we're talking in general terms here, right?
20:54:04 syv: I've had cats who would run away from food to cuddle, while unhealthily thin, so yes.
20:54:36 Radio_Controlled: I mean, I had a cat that I could walk around the neighborhood with without a leash, she'd just stay within a couple meters at all times.
20:54:42 syv: Nah, I'll broadly agree that many sphynxes wouldn't be worth the horror of their appearance. But I firmly believe some would.
20:55:11 Radio_Controlled: Man, that cat was the best. Still miss her.
20:56:01 syv: I've had a bunch like that. It's pretty easy to train them, just feed them exclusively during walks, and have them be well socialized when young. Doesn't work with all, but most.
20:56:08 Radio_Controlled: I could kie her in my neck and wear her like a scarf sometimes. A soft, purring scarf.
20:56:37 syv: Almost all will still prefer food though. I've only had a couple who would prioritize staying close over eating. They are indeed the best cats.
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20:59:25 Devastator: It sounds like you're saying that it isn't the furless part that makes the cat worth having.
20:59:38 Devastator: Usually he says bye.
21:00:01 syv: But if you're so allergic you just can't have a normal cat, I get it.
21:01:12 Devastator: Anyway, thanks for scotching the deal. ;-p
21:02:34 syv: He reminded me of Mingy, who just had the most unfortunate name due to my sister being a jerk, but was an amazing cat.
21:02:36 syv: She'd ride cars, and really enjoyed it.
21:06:01 Devastator: Anyway, you're probably right about me just not having a cat like that.
21:06:10 Devastator: Although the first one I had was pretty unconditional.
21:06:26 Devastator: The only requirement seemed to be 'provide sunbeam'
21:07:09 syv: Well, Canada. When you live in a frozen wasteland, heat seems a pretty fair condition. ;P
21:08:34 Devastator: It's only frozen half the year.
21:08:47 Devastator: So.. how much more mana do you think I can draw out of
RC?
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21:10:20 syv: At most a little over haaaaiiiiii, Radio!
21:10:36 syv: How funny to see you again!
21:10:41 RC: Wow, mibbit suddenly just... died on me.
21:11:11 RC: Anyways, did I miss anything?
21:11:38 Devastator: I'm trying to see if I can get
syv to direct me in the negotiations.
21:11:46 Devastator: and
syv named one of his favorite cats.
21:12:18 syv: Not one of, my favorite period.
21:13:01 RC: Like I told you myself, yeah, you could probably squeeze more out of me if you wanted to.
21:14:26 RC: Last time we discussed this you mentioned that you didn't want to try and extract max payment since that wasn't what Saeko wants so I figured that you'd just come up with some number that seemed to reflect that.
21:14:35 Devastator: well, Saeko's not in it to get rich.
21:14:44 Devastator: But I might need it to feed the lurker.
21:15:11 Devastator: And I'd like to get something for that bird, so it'll depend on if I end up with any mana after the mission. I might have to spend all of it or almost all of it fixing things after.
21:15:17 syv: This does seem like a very
ER action you're taking.
21:15:29 Devastator: No, the Lurker in the Depths.
21:15:54 RC: It's what he calls the secret underwater disco rave he'll be crashing into.
21:17:31 syv: It sounds like a goth rave.
21:18:10 syv: Since when do goths have disco raves? Underwater?
21:18:40 RC: They have magic disco balls that shoot out rays of darkness.
21:19:28 RC: Underwater so the squares upstairs won't disturb them.
21:21:24 Devastator: The money will be enough, though, that's for sure.
21:21:57 RC: Too bad we don't have any magic words we can pay you with.
21:22:53 Devastator: I wouldn't mind payment in words.
21:23:03 Devastator: Didn't you carry out jade with unknown word types on it?
21:23:44 syv: I'mma gonna go now. Got stuff to do.
21:24:18 Devastator: running something tonight?
21:24:52 syv: Will try and send a PM of the rules within a couple hours.
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21:25:22 RC: You mean running a game in here or what?
21:25:38 Devastator: Yeah, he wants to test out one of his systems.
21:26:59 RC: Would the fact that we are about to tackle the bugman problem influence Saeko's prices, you think?
21:27:31 Devastator: Maybe a little, but she's more likely to put some of the money you pay her into the bounty.
21:27:49 RC: What's the current bounty at?
21:28:51 Devastator: 10g on locating the nest and 25g on recovering any people.
21:28:57 Devastator: Someone else might have added to it.
21:30:45 RC: Nothing for ensuring that no future kidnappings will happen?
21:31:18 Devastator: You either help people or you don't.
21:32:54 Devastator: Saeko may not be an absolute pacifist, but she isn't going to pay people for killing.
21:34:47 RC: Who said anything about killing?
21:35:33 RC: Also, I'd classify the prevention of future kidnapping as helping people, even if it's not quite as direct as freeing them post-kidnapping.
21:36:23 RC: But yeah, if we eg. find out they're being forced or mind-controlled into this by some mage for example, we might be able to just capture him and end the problem.
21:36:26 Devastator: but what did you have in mind?
21:36:38 Devastator: Talk that over, then.
21:36:51 RC: Dunno, don't know enough about the situation, but it's possible.
21:37:35 RC: If it turns out that they're doing it for shits and giggles or sports, then some 'stern talking to' could make them see the error of their ways.
21:37:36 Devastator: That'd be good then.
21:39:39 RC: Either way, just rescuing some people but not solving the root of the problem is just fighting the symptoms instead of the disease.
21:39:59 RC: Assuming there are any people left to be saved. It's been a while since the event already.
21:40:16 Devastator: I'd bet there are people.
21:40:29 Devastator: People who take slaves are also people who keep slaves.
21:40:56 RC: Maybe they're soul sacrifices. Maybe they like their food fresh. Who knows really.
21:41:30 Devastator: That one I'd bet on.
21:41:53 Devastator: Maybe it's a mad mage with an insect spell who kidnaps people to turn into bugmen.
21:42:26 Devastator: In any case, if someone doesn't fix the job, they'll bring back the nature of what's going on to Saeko, and then she can be more specific.
21:43:02 Devastator: but yeah, I'm probably going to put a fair amount of the money you pay into increasing that bounty.
21:43:15 RC: It'll depend on whether we can get to them without having to trigger the mist ambush thing.
21:44:19 Devastator: Pfft, as if you guys aren't badass enough to deal with that.
21:44:29 Devastator: I'd bet they would have been a lot less tough if there was anything fighting back.
21:44:31 RC: If we do need to trigger it combat (and some dead bugmen) seems unavoidable. Then again, just capturing one of them would help us a lot if we can interrogate it.
21:45:58 RC: (I'm reasoning from the assumption that Saeko will tell us to avoid killing/harming any if we can.)
21:48:49 RC: Then again, Reanimate, so if she gets huffy that we killed anything in particular we can raise it with unholy dark magics. That'll cheer her right back up!
21:50:27 Devastator: Depends on if they come back right.
21:50:50 RC: Dunno, only ever did it to a small fish.
21:50:52 Devastator: So do you have any word Jade?
21:51:20 RC: Hmm, maybe touching the magic-sucking orb to a bugmen would give interesting results.
21:51:59 RC: Do you mean 'do you have any words on those jade tablets for my type of wizard'? Or whether I have the word 'jade' itself?
21:53:54 Devastator: Those are valuable in trade, although I've only got one free slot.
21:54:20 RC: "Do you mean A or B?" "Yeah."
21:54:27 RC: Christ, who are you,
PW? :p
21:55:14 Devastator: I did get a spell description.
21:56:49 RC: Maybe? We have some jade tablets without any word on it that Pan or me can read, so those might or might not have a word for you. We can't check ourselves, we'd need an invoker to recognize words from the scribblings.
21:57:57 Devastator: Well, I'd like to see them, in case there's other words.
21:59:01 RC: Funny thing is, if you find a word you can take it and pretend there was nothing. We'd never know.
21:59:05 Devastator: 'Human' would be extremely valuable.
21:59:10 Devastator: Saeko wouldn't do that.
21:59:20 RC: I know, but I find it funny that she could.
22:00:12 Devastator: Would you pay to have her point out what's on ones she can identify?
22:00:23 Devastator: Like she takes one word, identifies the others.
22:01:25 RC: If there's more than one on there. Or maybe just ask her to pay for any word that she takes from it, dunno.
22:02:33 Devastator: Probably work that out when we get together, then.
22:02:39 Devastator: How much jade are we talking about?
22:03:14 RC: I'd have to check, I know that pan took a bunch of jade tablets but it seems he forgot to add them to his inventory.
22:04:53 Devastator: You guys interested in stuff like super-ears?
22:05:45 RC: I think we're good on that front.
22:05:59 RC: Don't wanna spend /all/ out money in one place, you know? :D
22:06:50 Devastator: too bad. They're really good. Probably going to make something like that permanent.
22:08:06 RC: Maybe Pan will want that buff though, dunno.
22:08:15 Devastator: d10 senses makes it more worth it.
22:08:28 Devastator: It lowers the difficulty numbers.
22:09:00 Devastator: Yeah. Making something that would take d30 take d8 is huge.
22:09:31 RC: The current spelling is 'yuuuge' actually.
22:09:37 RC: Get with the times old man.
22:11:58 Devastator: Besides, don't you want to be able to track where someone's moving while blocks away?
22:12:20 RC: And have any loud noises incapacitate me?
22:12:43 RC: Guess one could wear earplugs standard though to compensate.
22:13:33 Devastator:
PW game, seems to be all upside.
22:13:44 Devastator: having two people in the room should provide enough random noise to prevent this.
22:15:24 RC: Well, if we can selectively ignore any downsides and just get the upsides that changes things, but I'm not sure if I wanna game the system like that.
22:17:40 RC: Ah, but if
pw doesn't care maybe I shouldn't either. Dunno, we'll see when we get there. Maybe I'll just go for a temp buff for the duration of the bug hunt.
22:19:28 Devastator: One that lasts several days is probably going to be d8.
22:20:54 Devastator:
PW sait that temporary = significantly more power.
22:21:21 RC: Meanwhile I'm trying to think of places and other wizard racers for my next RPG dm session.
22:22:03 Devastator: So what are Wizard Racers, he said apprehensively.
22:22:50 RC: I'm running a RL RPG with the concept of "The A team but everyone is wizards".
22:23:11 RC: For the next session I'll have them take part in a wizard race to help out some guy.
22:23:42 RC: Thinking of places they can race through and things to race against.
22:24:11 Devastator: Try places from Cabal.
22:24:21 RC: The other racers can be weird, mind you. Thinking of having a living Ferris wheel be a racer, for example.
22:24:21 Devastator: Put in Thag on a biometal feline monstrosity.
22:24:40 RC: Wait, I'll give you a link to the docs file where I'm collecting some ideas.
22:25:07 RC: Unless you can't use docs either because then The Man will get to you or something?
22:26:19 Devastator: oh I can use them, just can't edit them.
22:29:24 Devastator: You must log on to edit them.
22:29:46 RC: Nah, normally you can edit without logging in.
22:30:37 RC: "Access:Anyone (no sign-in required)" promising.
22:31:31 RC: Still fairly barren, need to add racers especially.
22:31:54 Devastator: So that's your name?
22:35:18 RC: The idea is that there are portals that act like checkpoint. Go in a portal, enter into some dimension where you need to enter another portal to continue.
22:36:05 RC: The other racers get chosen randomly from the pool for every part so the list can be substantive and they don't all have to be hyper-unique snowflakes, just no copy-pastas.
22:36:50 Devastator: So Thag would be okay?
22:37:31 RC: Can even name him Thag if you want to.
22:37:50 Devastator: And no Doc Brown in a flying Delorian?
22:38:32 RC: Just give me a blurb that describes what he and his car (or 'car') look like and what their general behaviour is (eg like to start a fight, runs away and just tries to beeline to the portal, etc).
22:38:47 RC: I'm trying to avoid overt cameos.
22:39:04 RC: So a mad scientist in a flying car going 88mph, sure.
22:39:23 RC: Thag is obscure enough that I'm fairly sure I can name him by name though :p
22:43:30 Devastator: I figure his main issue is that the cat, although damn fast for a living creature, isn't really fast on the scale of a racing vehicle.
22:43:53 RC: True, but has good mobility compared to, say, a wheeled vehicle.
22:44:00 Devastator: Yeah. Should be competitive.
22:44:13 RC: So he could shine in the right environment.
22:45:23 RC: Note that the specific scene and the other racers per location is drawn randomly (thinking of using tarot cards for this, cause why not). So the cat might also spawn in bathtub land and be screwed.
22:47:05 Devastator: Should be fine with that. It isn't like there's no conditions where he could do well.
22:47:42 RC: Also note that they are allowed to fight and destroy vehicles, but there are harsh penalties for actually killing another racer.
22:47:56 Devastator: Gonna be tough against Thag.
22:48:08 RC: To prevent each round from starting with the players magi-nuking the other racers.
22:48:44 RC: Yeah, being unarmored means they can't just spell-bazooka him without risking losing a ton of points.
22:51:04 RC: Some nice suggestions. I like the beachfront cliff location as well.
22:53:18 RC: Oh, and the players will first be tasked with stealing a car to use in their race.
22:54:14 RC: "Just go through the dimension portal, the car you want is a fancy black one owned by a guy with a silly mustache. You'll recognize the car when you see it."
23:01:07 Devastator: Okay to have a couple locations with conventional road surfaces?
23:01:54 RC: I'll make a final selection so don't put too much effort into any one entry, but having some more conventional locations is fine.
23:02:22 RC: Either way, some nice suggestions, thanks.
23:02:44 Devastator: Oh, I thought they'd be going through like three of them.
23:03:24 RC: Dunno yet how many they'll have time to go through.
23:03:32 RC: 3-5 sounds about right though, yeah.
23:05:22 RC: I meant that I might take some locations or racers out of the final pools if I think it'll be difficult to use for a live RP session, and to try and have a mix in locations focused more on speed, combat, puzzle/obstacle solving and diplomacy situations.
23:11:39 Devastator: Oh, already got a hamster ball.
23:12:06 RC: if you have a better twist for it though, go for it.
23:13:19 Devastator: I kinda did. Man in hamster ball made of brass.
23:13:31 Devastator: Yeah, gotta name hovercraft wizard.
23:14:01 Devastator: Hang on, just a sec.
23:18:53 RC: I'll make the referee a goblin in your honor :D
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