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00:12:30 Devastator: I'll be starting in a bit.
00:13:06 Piecewise: Been poking around with the discord settings.
Paris is now hosting us a bot and we've got gambling for skulls
00:13:07 Devastator: Looks like steam finally updated before the stream this time.
00:13:21 Devastator: Sorry, though, can't use it.
00:13:39 Piecewise: not can't, don't want to
00:14:13 Devastator: although it is can't when it comes to streaming.
00:14:46 Piecewise: oh, I don't know if it works but I use a program called lock out browser for tests and as part of starting up it kills steam. So that might be a work around to definitely kill steam before playing
00:15:19 Devastator: I can kill steam after starting the game, but that doesn't kill ongoing downloads.
00:15:29 Devastator: it might kill if updates start while I'm playing though.
00:16:18 Piecewise: ongoing downloads on steam?
00:16:54 Devastator: Other stuff isn't a problem.
00:17:05 Piecewise: flat out ends every steam process
00:17:14 Piecewise: I know because I was downloading something when it did it
00:17:36 Devastator: I think I've heard the name before. Can't recall exactly what it was about, though.
00:18:52 Devastator: Also, are you offering me a flying mount in CULT, the one game I'm currently in where I don't want one? ;-p
00:22:52 Devastator: something like that name.
00:22:55 Devastator: might have been from you.
00:24:08 Piecewise: Its a browser that basically locks down your screen and doesn't let you alt tab or open anything till its closed. Used for doing online tests. I've talked about how useless it is to prevent cheating.
00:24:20 Piecewise: However, its great at killing applications
00:24:38 Devastator: came up when I was taking my power engineering tests.
00:24:49 Piecewise: Even ones that like to leave lots of little fucking processes in the background.
00:27:25 Devastator: so.. flying mount? Are moths sacred to the red scholar?
00:38:21 Devastator: I'll think about what to do. Strange situation.
00:38:37 Devastator: at least it seems doubtful that a moth will be interested in eating my character.
00:40:42 Devastator: Yeah, killing is a thing, but it's not like a werewolf or a dragon or something.
00:41:20 Devastator: of course, I could ask favor to turn into a giant monster myself and try to fight it that way.
00:41:39 Devastator: Hmm, that's an idea, could wish for a power like the dragon guy in Worm.
00:42:10 Devastator: or run. Or punch it in the nose to establish dominance.
00:42:29 Devastator: I'd get in the car and try to ride it out, but I'm worried it would just pick up the car and drop it.
00:43:34 Devastator: Sadly, not playing the succubus to try and seduce it.
00:44:19 Devastator: How large is your folder of random images?
00:45:41 Piecewise: Totally random or neat things I saved?
00:46:15 Piecewise: Lemme let it load through....
00:47:26 Piecewise: 112 gb in 130K files and 2,220 folders
00:48:09 Piecewise: My girth is impressive
00:48:26 Piecewise: maybe now the girls will stop laughing
00:48:42 Devastator: The screenshot folder for my 15 month long screenshot LP of Skyrim is only 22 GB.
00:49:08 Piecewise: But do you have a gif of a motor protein?
00:49:35 Devastator: it's certainly less though.
00:51:55 Piecewise: gives an idea of how fucking weird cellular biology is
00:52:15 Piecewise: things are all just wrigglng and shooting around at super high speeds
00:52:39 Devastator: And we know shit-all about it.
00:53:12 Piecewise: We know a lot of stuff, but there's a lot more stuff we don't know
00:53:19 Piecewise: we know the big bits, usually
00:53:50 Devastator: I'm exaggerating for effect.
00:53:54 Piecewise: But the smaller stuff is like "Uh...well this happens...but we have no idea why. Probably some enzyme moving faster than we can see and which we haven't cataloged
00:54:03 Devastator: although I could defend 'we know shit-all'
00:57:42 Piecewise: Time to just throw enzymes into it and see what happens
00:57:59 Piecewise: A lot of science is "Just throw stuff in and see what happens"
00:58:04 Devastator: Current hot take is 'machine learning'
00:58:21 Piecewise: I prefer Machine Loving
00:59:30 Devastator: okay, about to start.
01:00:30 Devastator: Just a sec, mic's off.
01:02:38 Piecewise: surely a sign of things to come
01:03:04 Piecewise: back next to the big lever
01:03:33 Piecewise: for fleshhorror purposes
01:04:06 Piecewise: Wow, you do some good ass damage on him
01:05:24 Piecewise: he's a dragon. They're all weak to lightning for some reason
01:05:34 Piecewise: I think Mr. Nameless is resistant. I'll check
01:06:22 Piecewise: King is resistant to lightning, weak to fire and dark
01:06:31 Piecewise: you still do good damage regardless
01:07:19 Piecewise: I mean...I think you could always take that old sword you have and stick fire on it
01:08:00 Piecewise: Nameless was actually nerfed. That downward fire thing used to basically always kill you and he did it whenever you got under him
01:09:45 Piecewise: For hitting him you may want to get right up on him before swinging. Lots of people have problems with perspective in this fight, especially with the dragon
01:10:39 Piecewise: You could change to fire on that other sword. I think you have everything you need to do so
01:14:36 Piecewise: infuse, find the zwei
01:16:29 Piecewise: There are two forms of fire, fire and chaos. Chaos scales with faith and int so it would be crap for you, ya heathen dummy
01:16:47 Piecewise: can you still fast roll?
01:18:17 Piecewise: You could always dump all your weapons except the swords in the bonfire and then just switch via the menu
01:18:49 Piecewise: The knight ring gives extra str so not having it reduces damage
01:19:03 Piecewise: No, but not having it would make switching faster and easier
01:19:27 Piecewise: just making the mechanics obvious to you
01:19:37 Piecewise: Also you're one handing
01:20:22 Piecewise: When you switch weapons it goes to one handed
01:21:07 Piecewise: Nah, use one handed on the other
01:21:35 Piecewise: less stamina usage, different move set
01:22:13 Piecewise: one handed on fire should make no damage difference
01:25:31 Piecewise: ya gotta handle the dragon with two hands. You can work that girth with one hand
01:28:09 Piecewise: yeah try two handed this time
01:28:39 Piecewise: It might also just be that he's weak to fire but not THAT weak
01:29:18 Piecewise: in which case it might be better to just turn it back to STR and get full physical damage on him instead of the other sword's physical/lighting
01:30:33 Piecewise: Shall we try pure physical? If you have a heavy gem. I think you probably have one
01:31:28 Piecewise: Neither of your weapons do pure physical. One does physical/lightning, the other physical/fire.
01:33:05 Piecewise: No you probably should ignore me DURING the fight. Or at least until the mid fight cutscene
01:38:39 Piecewise: You have a bunch of boss souls
01:41:24 Piecewise: Not REALLY but they're not common
01:43:43 Piecewise: His armor, his soul, Ornstein's armor,
01:46:10 Piecewise: and you were one handing
01:48:37 Piecewise: That horizontal breath attack is probably your best window
01:50:18 Piecewise: You could always just keep running away and dodging until he does the breath and then get in
01:50:34 Piecewise: You can side roll through as sweeps it over you
01:54:20 Piecewise: Thats not massive but it helps
01:57:03 Piecewise: We could try another boss
01:59:58 Piecewise: we're getting some weird distortion
02:00:03 Piecewise: refreshing to make sure its not me
02:03:58 Piecewise: look how far we got tehre
02:04:33 Piecewise: Alright, through the archives and up to the prince
02:05:33 Piecewise: we need to kill someone else
02:05:56 Piecewise: Did you kill the sluggy guy that shoots arrows?
02:07:03 Piecewise: Sit at the fire a sec
02:07:12 Piecewise: let me see your fires
02:09:50 Piecewise: Head across the bridge, to the left
02:10:01 Piecewise: There should be a door you opened
02:11:36 Piecewise: down the elevator, through the room with all the ladies, across the bridge beyond, into a big building
02:12:36 Piecewise: You're back tracking
02:12:50 Piecewise: the elevator was that hole you were standing by
02:14:33 Piecewise: There's a bonfire in that big building
02:15:50 Piecewise: Ok so up that ladder, sit the bonfire. The next boss is down a ladder right behind it
02:17:03 Piecewise: The next boss is a gimmick boss. The weapon you need to kill him is across the room you fight him in.
02:17:25 Piecewise: And here's the issue: Using the move to kill him requires the binding of the same button that parry uses
02:18:06 Piecewise: No, its a weapon art
02:18:37 Piecewise: you'll need to bind it
02:19:12 Piecewise: You CAN kill him with normal weapons but he has stupid HP
02:21:49 Piecewise: I think most people would agree on that
02:23:12 Piecewise: you and he have strong hatreds that I often do not comprehend
02:25:26 Piecewise: I do enjoy being able to hear the frantic dodge spam
02:25:45 Piecewise: gives you a mimic head
02:26:01 Piecewise: slowly drains health, makes you get items lots faster
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02:30:25 Piecewise:
Dev is fighting a gimmick boss he can't beat because he hasn't bound a key
02:31:04 ER: I saw beagerush beat that boss the non-gimmick way fairly easy
02:31:25 Piecewise: I saw Lenny do it with a broken sword
02:31:48 Piecewise: its just very annoying
02:35:07 Piecewise: Luckily
Dev has a fuck off powerful weapon
02:36:59 Piecewise: Well...no like I said that weapon across the room is used
02:37:14 Piecewise: that throne he stands up off of has a weapon beside it
02:37:24 Piecewise: Called the stormruler
02:37:43 Piecewise: it does massive shockwave slashes when the weapon art is used
02:37:51 Piecewise: kills him in like 5 or 6 hits
02:42:12 Piecewise: give him one more shot before you bind a key?
02:46:15 Piecewise: Weapon aren't easy or really that useful
02:46:45 Piecewise: Strong attack left hand
02:47:03 Piecewise: Nah, they have uses, but they're not as OP as you seem to think
02:47:50 Piecewise: You don't NEED any of this
02:48:01 Piecewise: you don't need armor or weapons or multiple attacks at all
02:50:09 Piecewise: You have to hold the weapon art button till the thing is charged, then release it and then press it again
02:50:24 Piecewise: When its fully charged there will be an aura of wind on it
02:50:35 Piecewise: Test it out at the bonfire
02:51:19 Piecewise: Nah, mana doesn't matter with this weapon
02:51:44 Piecewise: Actually very long range
02:56:21 Piecewise: And now you get a weird out of sequence cutscene
02:57:34 Piecewise: that place that had a closed door
02:57:44 Piecewise: last lothric castle bonfire
03:17:58 Piecewise: I like how you kicked the ladder down as a short cut and then don't use it
03:19:01 Piecewise: there's stairs up on the opposite side
03:19:07 Piecewise: you walked past them
03:19:21 Piecewise: side where you enter from
03:19:27 Piecewise: look for stairs on the left
03:20:27 Piecewise: elevator past the guy you killed, down, open door via leverl
03:20:54 Piecewise: you ran past the elevator
03:21:03 Piecewise: its in the room you were hitting walls in
03:24:16 Piecewise: Actually having your head covered in wax protects you from it
03:25:37 Piecewise: I suggest getting the shortcut before fighting him again
03:26:24 Piecewise: Across the bridge where you killed the wizard
03:28:21 Piecewise: theres a lever you have to pull down there
03:29:57 Piecewise: Its right next to the ladder
03:37:12 Piecewise: Careful of panic rolls, try to stay behind him
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03:40:15 Piecewise: He wanted me to tell you
03:41:05 midnightjaguar: Cool, could you put up a link? It makes it way simpler for me to watch the stream and still have this app open.
03:48:36 midnightjaguar: That’s some grabby ghost hands
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03:52:39 midnightjaguar: Ah, that’s a shame
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04:01:21 midnightjaguar: Ugly gargoyle thing
04:01:26 Piecewise: I swear firegox has this really neat thing it does where when it wants to update it just spikes your memory usage to 100% and strangles your pc
04:03:24 Piecewise: Keep walking until you hit a balcony to drop on
04:04:21 Piecewise: ladder back near the wax bath
04:09:15 midnightjaguar: That’s rough dubs
04:10:48 Piecewise: This is a good place to stop
04:12:16 Piecewise: You said you were thinking of stopping so I figured it would be a good place
04:13:20 Piecewise: So there's a big set of stairs, run up them, then look to the right. There's another elevator
04:13:29 Piecewise: thats a better shortcut
04:14:09 Piecewise: And the big doors at the end of the stairs are the boss
04:14:18 Piecewise: this area is not the boss but it does have some angels in it
04:15:28 Piecewise: Yeah, giant set of stairs covered in enemies
04:15:42 Piecewise: I recommend running it.
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04:16:52 Piecewise:
Dev is wrapping up ds3
04:17:17 syv: Ahhh, so that's why you're here.
04:17:56 syv: Still haven't played, myself, so I don't want to watch. I can tolerate the onesided natter though.
04:19:18 syv: Winter next year at the worst.
04:19:52 Piecewise: Yeah this guy is buff nightcrawler
04:22:13 syv:
Dev should be on top, the goblin.
04:22:16 Piecewise: We really need to get beyond thunderdome
04:22:40 Devastator: Never would have seen my way through it if not for your help.
04:22:58 Devastator: I'll try to think about what to do with someone else's flying mount. ;-p
04:23:01 Piecewise: Probably never would have played it if not for my prodding~
04:23:42 Devastator: You did buy it for me.
04:23:45 Devastator: I never would have played it.
04:25:20 Devastator: I'm happy to stream it for you from time to time. Feel free to bother me if you'd like to watch it.
04:25:49 syv: I'm not sure, but he *probably* already knows that.
04:26:14 Devastator: Yeah, but I haven't been bothered.
04:26:17 Devastator: It's all been one way.
04:26:48 Piecewise: My only regret is latency
04:27:10 syv: Clearly,
Piecewise, you need to be meaner to
Dev. He's begging for it!
04:27:10 Devastator: Stream delayed too much?
04:27:38 Piecewise: It seems to have like a 15, 20 second delay at times.
04:27:49 Piecewise: I don't swing that way
Sy.
04:27:54 Devastator: Were the frames holding up this time?
04:27:57 Piecewise: I only torture the unwilling
04:28:02 Devastator: no slideshow stuff?
04:28:28 syv: The fact that your games are optional seems to conflict with that statement, Dubs.
04:28:56 Piecewise: I don't torture players
04:29:04 Piecewise: if anything I'm too nice
04:29:25 Devastator: Any suggestions in CULT,
syv?
04:29:30 syv: ...Hmm, fair. The only torturing I directly recall was
Dev, and he was kinda unwilling, wasn't he?
04:29:36 Devastator: I'm not sure how to deal with economy-sized moth.
04:29:53 Devastator: Did you read the last update?
04:30:08 Devastator: Apparently a moth large enough to be someone's flying mount landed on my guy's car.
04:30:20 syv: Oh, I hadn't refreshed the page when I checked earlier.
04:31:36 Piecewise: House invasions and Moth persuasions
04:31:58 Piecewise: You guys picked Moon earlier than I expected
04:32:02 Devastator: I still think the best thing I should have done was just give proper orders for the suicide bombing, so he woulda died right there.
04:32:05 syv:
Dev: Flip off the moth and leave.
04:32:22 Devastator: I wasn't aware of picking something.
04:32:30 Devastator: Is it related to the choice of temple locations?
04:32:52 syv: Maybe throw a rock at it, see if it's an illusion.
04:33:09 Piecewise: Perhaps I should say "Drew" instead of "Picked"
04:33:20 midnightjaguar: Is it only considered attempted suicide bombing if the bomb doesn’t go off? Or does it also not count if they don’t die?
04:33:28 Devastator: Oh, so the red scholar is picking cards to fuck with the world.
04:33:38 syv: But yeah, I think you're pretty safe in the house, and giant creatures generally aren't fast enough to snatch you before your return to your window.
04:33:40 Devastator: You drop the 'suicide' if the guy lives,
MJ.
04:33:45 Devastator: I'm not in a house.
04:33:55 Devastator: with a moth large enough to pick up said car sitting on it.
04:33:58 midnightjaguar: Simple, I like it
Dev
04:34:12 syv: That's what's Piece *said*, but I have my doubts.
04:34:30 Devastator: Damn shame Nanami isn't the one accosted by it, so I could try to seduce it.
04:34:35 midnightjaguar: Maybe it’s like cabin in the woods:P
04:34:57 syv: I don't think a real moth twice the size of a toy car could pick up said toy car, and a giant one would have even more trouble.
04:35:15 Devastator: I think the update specifically said it might be able to do that.
04:35:24 midnightjaguar: But a giant one would already have trouble because it wouldn’t be able to breath
04:35:26 syv: Yes, hence why I said Piecesaid said it could.
04:35:45 syv: "The thing is the size of a small plane and you're pretty sure it could just pick your car up and fly off with it. "
04:35:56 syv: My impression: Your character is an idiot.
04:36:05 Devastator: small planes are a good deal bigger than cars.
04:36:20 syv: Cars are also heavy, and moths are no efficient.
04:36:23 Devastator: d12 Kno, d10 awareness.
04:36:34 syv: A lot of small planes can't pick up a car, too.
04:36:34 Devastator: Saeko would hug it.
04:36:48 midnightjaguar: I dunno, if there’s a giant insect that can breathe I would
er on the side of maybe because there’s already a lot of bio that doesn’t make sense here :P
04:37:04 syv: But yeah. What are you gonna do to the moth? If it picks up your car, it picks up your car.
04:37:11 Piecewise: "Hey girl you want some fug?"
04:37:20 Devastator: There's the question of staying in the car or getting out of the car.
04:37:25 syv: Flip it off and continue driving. Maybe park and talk, if you feel it might be intelligent.
04:37:34 Devastator: I think I'm already parked.
04:37:45 syv: Turn off your headlights, I guess you'd have them on at night.
04:37:46 midnightjaguar: Try to ride into the sunset.
04:38:00 Devastator: Yeah, that's probably a good idea.
04:38:03 syv: Drive off, then. Headlight off.
04:38:04 Devastator: flipping it off and running away is another.
04:38:26 Devastator: Alternatively I could burn some favor.
04:38:35 syv: It's not that hard to drive without headlights if there's a full moon.
04:38:42 midnightjaguar: Throw a rod flare away from you.
04:38:54 syv: I've been stupid enough to do it, and I didn't crash.
04:38:54 midnightjaguar: Or like a flashlight
04:39:50 Devastator: "I wish this moth was in my service."
04:40:33 syv: Yes, burn favor when you aren't even sure that you're in danger.
04:40:45 Devastator: I'm pretty sure that would be a payoff.
04:40:50 Devastator: until someone shoots it.
04:40:53 syv: Better plan: Visualize a giant cake.
04:40:54 Devastator: it is set in America, after all.
04:41:13 syv: Maybe you'll get a cake instead of a moth, then.
04:41:27 Piecewise: "Hey. Cult boi. You got some lamp?"
04:41:45 midnightjaguar: I actually laughed at that dubs
04:42:15 syv: You got d8 possessions, roll to see if you have glowsticks in the car. Crack one and toss it out the window.
04:42:38 syv: Bam,
Dev used meme on
Piecewise. It's super effective!
04:42:57 Devastator: the moth also seems to be glowing and is shedding glowy bits on my car.
04:43:03 Devastator: ..maybe it is trying to have sex with it.
04:43:28 Devastator: It's a joke, but I could see that happening. it wouldn't be tasty.
04:43:48 Devastator: I'll probably take a few pictures.
04:43:51 syv: Snort the glowy bits, I guess? What do you want from me?
04:43:53 midnightjaguar: ....I should know how moths reproduce but I really have no idea how they do it.
04:44:11 Devastator: The glowstick idea was good.
04:44:37 syv: ...
Piecewise? Not gonna take that opportunity
MJ gave ya?
04:44:40 Devastator: though I might try to posessions a pistol and shoot it in the face.
04:44:55 Devastator: I'm pretty sure dissecting a moth this big would be worth favor.
04:44:59 syv: Yes, shoot the giant monster in the face with a dinky pistol.
04:45:01 midnightjaguar: You should summon an even larger bat to eat the moth.
04:45:27 Devastator: "I wish I had a friendly bat greater than this moth."
04:46:19 midnightjaguar: And then summon an even larger hawk to eat the bat. Just keep going up the food chain until a bear the size of the sun crushes the world trying to eat the earth sized wolf :P
04:46:46 Piecewise: I got nothing here
sy
04:47:04 Devastator: No moth sex jokes? Maybe I will put favor on 'Seduce the Moth' then. ;-p
04:47:07 syv: the size od the galaxy is glowing as bright as the sun.
04:49:21 Piecewise: I don't got no moth sex jokes because moth sex is not a joke,
sy. We take it very seriously around here
04:49:30 Devastator: what weapon would you suggest,
syv?
04:49:36 Devastator: If I go with a posessions roll.
04:49:47 syv: Against a monster the size of a small plane?
04:50:02 syv: An anzio 20mm. Which probably didn't even exist in '85.
04:51:24 syv: ...If it did, though, you NEED to have one;
04:51:32 midnightjaguar: It’s kinda hilarious that’s just sold to the public :P
04:52:29 Piecewise: Really big bug zapper
04:52:50 Piecewise: Alternatively a sweater, to distract it
04:53:00 Devastator: I could accelerate the whole 'be a dragon' plan by trying it now. ;-p
04:53:38 syv: Each bullet is technically a destructive device though, so it's not *just* sold to the public.
04:54:29 midnightjaguar: Heh. I thought the gun itself was what gets labeled as a destructive itself. Or in this case is this bullet big enough to get its own label?
04:54:35 syv: Technically you gotta jump through the same loopholes to own a 20mm bullet as you do for a grenade, I think. Honestly don't know though.
04:54:49 syv: Nope, pretty sure it's the bullet. Could be wrong.
04:55:21 Piecewise: A gun on its own is only as dangerous as a baseball bat after all
04:55:30 Devastator: I think I might try to posessions a .45 cal pistol and just shoot it in the face.
04:55:55 syv: Nah, you're right, it's the gun. Kinda surprised, actually.
04:56:38 Devastator: Dex for using it, so I might favor it if it gets mad after round one of combat.
04:57:06 Devastator: I could favor the ability to communicate with animals, though.
04:57:20 syv: You could have an elephant gun in the back seat,
Dev.
04:57:52 midnightjaguar: 4 bore rifle 4 bore rifle! :P
04:57:55 syv: Hell, you could have a fucking Milkor MGL. Designed 1983.
04:58:08 syv: THAT would do a number on a giant moth.
04:59:02 Piecewise: Milkor MGL, first weaponized milking machine
04:59:02 syv: ...Man, yeah, if you do a possessions roll, even if you want a lightstick, do an MGL.
04:59:16 syv: Fire a 40mm road flare as a distraction.
04:59:35 Devastator: I'd like to have something which wouldn't require several standing rolls to not get arrested for owning.
05:00:21 syv: You could fit it in a big backpack, I think.
05:00:22 Devastator: of course, getting arrested might not be the end of the world.
05:00:33 syv: Might need some disassembly.
05:00:50 Piecewise: I needed this grenade launcher to fight giant moths. LET ME GO
05:01:05 Devastator: Well, if the giant moth is there, it'll be more believable.
05:01:27 Devastator: but I think a good sized pistol would be a lot easier to explain.
05:01:58 Devastator: but if it comes to round 2, a favor-rolled 5 would do it to save my life.
05:02:10 syv: You can launch *all kinds* of stuff from grenade launchers.
05:02:14 Devastator: Where are we in the states again,
PW?
05:02:54 syv: Less lethal rounds, shotgun flechettes, HE, incendiary, smoke, teargas, frag, nerve gas, road flares, flashbangs, stingers...
05:02:55 ER: just use your favor to give yourself the power to summon a grenade launcher whenever you want
05:03:09 ER: and leave them layin' a-round
05:03:19 syv: A pistol you've pretty much got HP, FMJ, AP, and shot.
05:03:24 midnightjaguar: Why can that thing launch nerve gas?
05:03:38 midnightjaguar: Actually what nerve gas is it supposed to launch?
05:03:51 syv: Well, you'd need to somehow obtain a 40mm nerve gas round, but I'm sure those are possible.
05:03:54 Devastator:
Piecewise, are we in any particular town/city in the states?
05:03:59 syv: Probably not in production, but possible.
05:04:05 Devastator: Be easier to make it.
05:04:21 Devastator: well, not advanced nerve gases.
05:04:29 Devastator: those generally kill those who try to make them.
05:04:34 syv: I don't think stealing it would be reasonable, I highly doubt anyone in the world owns such a thing.
05:04:37 midnightjaguar: Heh. Time to go steal some Sarin stuff it into a 40 mm grenade and go fight a wasp.
05:04:50 ER: some sort of west coast place, which means I know nothing about it
05:05:08 syv: Does sarin even affect moths? How does sarin kill things?
05:05:39 midnightjaguar: I think it’s paralytic. But lemme check
05:05:45 Devastator:
syv, you'd steal them from the stocks of chemical weapons in the US.
05:05:51 Devastator: There are several, some of which aren't that heavily guarded.
05:06:18 Piecewise: I believe I've said so
05:06:30 syv: I just highly doubt the USA would be stupid enough to arm soldiers with 40mm nerve gas, because 40mm nerve gas is a really bad idea.
05:07:00 Devastator: nah, you'd have to fill the shell yourself, but not make the gas.
05:07:07 Devastator: looking it up, it'd work against a moth.
05:07:17 Piecewise: THe abandoned building you all started in was right here
05:07:32 syv: So yeah, it's totally reasonable for you to make a possessions roll for an MGL loaded eith nerve gas.
05:08:20 midnightjaguar: Huh, yeah Sarin would totally work on a moth
05:08:40 Devastator: Montery california.
05:08:48 syv: @
Piecewise, if someone with d12 possessions carries a backback around, can they at any time reach into the backpack, roll possessions, and pull out something useful?
05:08:49 Devastator: Could I roll posessions for that?
05:08:53 midnightjaguar: And I was right it does paralyze your lung muscles
05:09:00 midnightjaguar: Or like diagrpahm
05:09:09 Devastator: tbh, I don't think
PW would let me get a pistol that way.
05:09:18 ER: well, it is a moth the size of a small plane
05:09:33 syv: Hmm. So it can only kill things which need muscles to breath.
05:09:42 ER: or what horrifying forces keep it from dying instantly
05:09:48 Devastator: It's a brain chemistry inhibitor,
syv.
05:10:07 Devastator: And hey, Laguna Seca. When was that built?
05:10:27 Devastator: we have to go there at some point.
05:10:53 Piecewise: Backpack no, but trunk of car, yes
05:11:06 Piecewise: Glove compartment works too, for small things
05:11:18 ER: what if I drag around a trunk
PW
05:11:33 Piecewise: Then you are an elephant
05:11:44 Devastator: no reason you can't be an elephant.
05:11:55 Devastator: Ok, best pistol that could fit in a glove box.
05:12:09 syv: FiveseveN doesn't exist yet.
05:12:11 Devastator: because I'd rather not have to pop and open the trunk before retrieving my gun at this point.
05:12:31 Devastator: ..I'd actually think higher caliber would be better than higher velocity for this application.
05:13:13 syv: You said "best pistol", not "best moth-killing pistol".
05:13:14 Piecewise: The most powerful handgun in the world
05:13:46 midnightjaguar: But you’ve got to get through it’s Exo skeleton. Which may or may not act as armor. I have no idea
05:13:53 syv: Also, penetration is probably actually pretty valuable here. A plane-sized moth has a lot of tissue to penetrate through.
05:14:03 syv:
ER kinda has a point, actually.
05:14:13 Piecewise: Taurus Judge pistol isn't out yet.
05:14:32 ER: double barrel with slugs could probably kill a moth
05:14:41 syv: 20 gauge out of a tiny barrel? I'd rather .32.
05:14:44 Devastator: I think the classic Model 29 was around there.
05:15:03 midnightjaguar: Just burn it to death
05:15:15 Devastator: Colt Anaconda is too new.
05:16:04 syv: Wait, no, it's .410. That's even worse!
05:16:32 syv: I mean if you want stupid powerful, go for a goldplated Deagle.
05:16:47 Piecewise: The goldplating makes it more powerful
05:17:05 Piecewise: Just like flame decals making cars faster
05:17:07 syv: No, it just means he can sell it to avoid some wealth rolls later.
05:17:31 syv: If you're gonna roll for a deagle, might as well get the more valuable version.
05:17:39 midnightjaguar: Solid gold deadly
05:17:47 ER: get a lead deag and bludgeon it
05:17:48 Piecewise: Diamond encrusted beagle
05:18:06 syv: But yeah, either a sawnoff (which is illegal without registration BTW), or a high cap 45.
05:18:40 midnightjaguar: Yeah, it’s considered like a short barreled rifle or something.
05:18:46 Piecewise: Aren't sawnoffs illegal even if registered?
05:18:48 midnightjaguar:
Syv would know more then me
05:19:02 Devastator: Probably high cap 45 then.
05:19:24 syv: All the ones I know off the top of my head are post 1985. >.<
05:19:42 Piecewise: I can check my big book of weapons
05:20:00 midnightjaguar: M1911 say fuck it to high capacity and go something old :P
05:20:14 syv: @
Piecewise not sure if the rules are different for shotguns, but I was under the impression that the same SBR rules apply to shotguns and rifles.
05:20:17 Devastator: AMT Hardballer would work.
05:20:27 Devastator: although that's only 7 rounds.
05:21:01 syv: 1911s can have extended mags.
05:21:37 Devastator: A P220 would also work, but only six rounds.
05:21:50 midnightjaguar: Isn’t Palladium the one with the weird system or something?
05:22:03 Devastator: besides,
PW would roll for it.
05:22:15 Devastator: which makes for an interesting question, worth it to favor a posessions roll for a personal weapon?
05:22:39 Devastator: so it's probably just 'large handgun' and the roll decides what I get.
05:23:18 syv: "Under the National Firearms Act (NFA), it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun [...] without a tax-paid registration [...] requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer"
05:23:49 syv: Go for a suppressed 45, too.
05:23:51 Devastator: a H&K P9 would be another one, 7 rounds.
05:24:05 Devastator: For this application, a suppressor wouldn't help.
05:24:07 syv: I vote that one. HK makes good guns.
05:24:13 syv: It wouldn't but it also wouldn't hurt.
05:24:30 syv: Normal 45 loads are subsonic anyway, and a suppressed handgun might be useful later.
05:25:09 Devastator: it's one extra round. Would it be better to take a big revolver, then?
05:26:42 syv: Can't suppress a revolver. And, as I said, you can just get an extended mag for it.
05:27:26 Devastator: Yeah, but .44 magnum rounds hit a lot harder.
05:27:40 Devastator: and the difference probably isn't overkill.
05:28:02 syv: Not for a moth, but if you intend to use it ever again, the .45 is better.
05:28:29 Devastator: If I die I don't get to use it again.
05:28:35 syv: Beyond that, if you do ask for ane extended mag as well, that means 15 vs 6 rounds, which very well could even the difference.
05:28:47 syv: You're not gonna die to the damn moth.
05:28:47 Piecewise: I'll see you hamsacks later
05:28:48 Devastator: and if we're encountering giant monsters already, well..
05:28:56 Piecewise: Thanks for the vidya
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05:29:23 Devastator:
Piecewise *Proboscis Poke*
05:29:26 Devastator:
Piecewise *poke poke*
05:29:49 syv: If you want to prep for giant monsters, get a sawnoff, as
ER said.
05:29:56 ER: you're afraid that the moth will drink your nectar?
05:30:01 syv: It'll do a lot better, and as a shotgun, is more versatile.
05:30:05 Devastator: I'm afraid it'll kill me accidently.
05:30:32 syv: You can load dragon's breath in a sawnoff, for instance, which might actually not be a terrible idea for the occult.
05:31:03 Devastator: Doesn't that wreck your shotgun?
05:31:38 Devastator: You know, that's an ability to wish for.
05:31:49 Devastator: "Action hero levels of firearms competence."
05:32:00 midnightjaguar: I don’t think dragons breath is actually too bad for it.
05:32:35 syv: Dragon's breath? Far as I know, it just means more cleaning. It's probably a lot worse than normal shooting, but that just means more wear, not wrecking it.
05:33:21 syv: Plus, if you meet a monster that is very vulnerable to fire, but not bullets, welp, you're covered.
05:33:49 Devastator: what if I meet a monster that's very vulnerable to bullets, but not fire?
05:34:09 Devastator: Anyway, I'll probably just ask for a large caliber handgun, get out of the car, and take pictures.
05:34:44 Devastator: I'll let the dice and
PW decide what I get.
05:34:48 syv: Shotguns are the jack-of-all-trades for firearms. Only coming in behind grenade launchers.
05:35:14 midnightjaguar: I’d vote sawnoff over a pistol in this instance
05:35:30 midnightjaguar: Especially ig your going to fight huge stuff
05:35:31 syv: ...And I guess artillery, but I meant man-portable.
05:35:45 syv: Yeah, sawnoff or a highcap 45 is the best choice.
05:36:00 midnightjaguar: Oooh, you should get a mortar like a type 95 or something like that :P
05:36:06 syv: Former is best for later use against monsters, latter for use against humans.
05:36:26 Devastator: I don't want my character to be the one fighting huge stuff.
05:36:45 syv: ...Which doesn't mean she won't.
05:37:27 syv: Sawnoff is best for emergency self-defense, too.
05:37:48 Devastator: Except it's a pain to lug around.
05:37:53 syv: Two rolls, both can definitely stop anything that CAN be stopped.
05:38:57 midnightjaguar: Fairly sure you could hide a sawn off under a coat.
05:39:02 Devastator: Yeah, but more than a sawnoff.
05:39:12 Devastator: I've had coats you could hide large revolvers in too.
05:39:23 Devastator: Hell, I've got one right now.
05:39:44 midnightjaguar: Heh. Your Canadian we could hide an entire armory in one of your coats :P
05:41:20 syv: You can hide a sawnoff in a coat!
05:41:56 syv: Hell, you can hide a fucking sawnoff BAR in a trenchcoat. Didn't that one famous bank robber couple do that?
05:45:20 midnightjaguar: Bonnie and Clyde
05:46:27 Devastator: I'll leave that sort of thing for the more combat capable members.
05:47:58 Devastator: I suppose just the .45 pistol then.
05:48:21 syv: Yeah, and you prolly don't have a BAR in your glovebox.
05:48:40 midnightjaguar: Get a SAW in your glovebox :P
05:48:44 syv: Make sure it's suppressed, plox. Maybe you can share it later.
05:48:53 Devastator: Could get an uzi, but that might have penetration issues.
05:48:57 Devastator: and perforating my car issues.
05:49:21 syv: HEY!
ER! You're the one with d12 possessions, does your char have a MGL? A revolver GRENADE LAUNCHER!
05:49:52 Devastator: Can you spend on the next expensive project a bit?
05:49:57 Devastator: You got the dosh, after all.
05:50:04 midnightjaguar: Convert all of your gold into MGLs
05:50:25 syv: Buying rare military equipment is probably difficult.
05:50:42 syv: Guile would likely have an easier time obtaining an MGL than
ER, actually.
05:50:56 syv: d12 connections, and military backstory.
05:51:16 syv: Might need
ER to share money, though.
05:51:23 midnightjaguar: One day when I actually have free time I will get into CULT
05:52:07 Devastator:
PW's busy with school.
05:52:41 midnightjaguar: I’m about to not be
05:54:00 Devastator: anyway, thanks for the advice.
05:54:06 syv: Man, now that I realize just how many guns I could get in this game, I really regret not playing a Russian hitman.
05:54:41 Devastator: There's no reason to belive that Guile would be bad at using guns.
05:55:21 syv: Not bad, but not exceptionally good, either.
05:55:42 syv: Plus he has d12 strength, so it's really smarter to just stab and punch things.
05:56:00 ER: my character has all the money, but cares about money least.
05:56:25 ER: So in a way, I kinda need other people to take the inititive in asking for money. :P
05:56:29 Devastator: You can always upgrade it.
05:56:31 syv: She should buy Guile a pistol, and then he can practice dex until it goes up a level.
05:56:51 Devastator: I think it's only world stats you can upgrade with actions. But maybe not.
05:57:21 syv: Favor upgrades are better spent on what Guile's already good at. And practice isn't available because Guile has no money.
05:57:50 Devastator: Nope, you're right.
05:57:58 Devastator: maybe favor for money.
05:58:07 Devastator: you can upgrade anything with practice.
05:58:25 Devastator: some pistol shooting practice shouldn't be unreasonable. I'll probably borrow money for ammo.
05:58:44 syv: No, Guile is not upgrading wealth with favor.
05:59:19 syv: Beyond it simply not being optimal, I like the challenge run aspect of him having no money.
06:00:00 Devastator: I don't know if it's not optimal.
06:00:12 Devastator: it might be very difficult or nearly impossible to upgrade something with no levels or d4.
06:00:42 Devastator: then again, you might be able to get money with some non-money stat.
06:00:59 syv: Or by asking the people with d12 money nicely.
06:03:05 syv: Hell, I might be able to get a few levels of dosh by murdering someone with d12 wealth and then stealing what I can.
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06:03:48 syv: Heeey, I gor it in time for once, though misspelled.
06:04:06 Devastator: Shows as late on my screen.
06:06:11 syv: Meh. It shows as fast enough on mine.
06:06:57 Devastator: Yep, that's what counts.
06:09:17 ER: Does anyone other than me even have d12 money?
06:09:54 syv: Yeah, one person. Forget who.
06:10:17 syv: When I made Guile I tallied up all the stats od every player, then I think I deleted the file once Guile was done.
06:10:36 Devastator: I took one money hit so far.
06:10:45 Devastator: probably get one back when the mail comes back.
06:12:34 Devastator: I am wondering what he meant by picked the moon, though.
06:12:43 Devastator: I take it stuff will get progressively weirder if we succeed.
06:14:56 syv: One of the random encounters he had is symbolized by the moon, and then at night while the full moon is shining, people get a sensation of being watched, then find whatever they felt they were watched by.
06:15:40 syv: Note the repeated emphasis on the moon, the fact that Guile and Helen found a man when they thought they were being watched by somebody, and the fact that you found a moth when you mentioned a moth.
06:17:16 Devastator: The moths showed up first.
06:17:27 Devastator: but yes, the mention might have lead to the gigantic moth.
06:18:00 Devastator: Maybe it's friendly.
06:18:06 Devastator: I looked at the moon for a bit.
06:18:22 syv: Ahh, I see, yeah. You had a swarm of moths beforehand.
06:18:24 Devastator: ..I'm going to need a lot of sugar water.
06:18:58 syv: Yup, and the giant moth landed on your car first too
06:19:17 syv: So nope, it's not a summon-what-you-expect effect.
06:20:01 Devastator: It could be 'summon something related to what you're thinking.'
06:20:09 Devastator: and I got a strong effect because I was looking at the moon.
06:20:13 Devastator: and there were just moths about.
06:21:13 ER: probably some moth god bullshit
06:21:50 Devastator: Anyway, going to take pics.
06:22:00 Devastator: and wish I had one of my other characters, who would either hug it or seduce it. ;-p
06:23:08 syv: No, I looked back at your prior action; the bits of glowy dander, and the green glow, were both present before you saw that the giant moth was the source.
06:24:20 Devastator: So why's the moth here, then?
06:24:26 Devastator: I can get it just showed up, but why here?
06:25:48 syv: You do have two favor, and are one of the most helpful towards our god.
06:25:59 ER: eh, moth god sticking its antennae at us because it can tell someone's up to something culty
06:26:01 syv: What got you the second point, anyway?
06:26:35 Devastator: Setting up the temple.
06:26:49 Devastator: one point to start, a second once the temple got chosen and we put the orb there.
06:27:12 Devastator:
PW said that moths aren't sacred to the Red Scholar.
06:27:40 Devastator: Hmm, it might be the night daily encounter.
06:27:44 Devastator: like the dream the previous day.
06:28:13 syv: Yup, +1 favor to everyone, while Guile was in the trunk.
06:28:36 Devastator: Counts for you too.
06:28:46 Devastator: What would guile do to the moth?
06:28:57 syv: Yup. Even though Guile is very likely to turn traitor.
06:29:23 Devastator: I don't think any of us has actually done anything.
06:29:31 syv: Because cultists killed his family and he hates all of them with a burning justice?
06:29:49 syv: And you're also very likely to actually do bad things.
06:30:07 syv: The whole stalking and interrogating Helen wasn't just a random choice.
06:30:08 Devastator: Well, go after someone who seems evil then.
06:30:48 Devastator: Oh god, that would be worth asking favor for.
06:30:54 Devastator: "I wish I knew how to build giant mecha."
06:31:13 syv: And yet you refused to roll possessions for an MGL.
06:31:37 Devastator: The payoff is bigger for giant mecha than MGLs.
06:33:03 Devastator: Plus I want to build stuff in CULT.
06:33:21 Devastator: including building stuff that destroys stuff.
06:33:58 ER: i wish that tank duels were a national sport
06:36:27 syv: National? Wasn't it inter-school or something?
06:36:53 Devastator: The second doesn't preclude the first.
06:37:04 Devastator: I'd expect the second level would imply the existance of a higher league.
06:38:22 syv: Nah, I decided awhile ago that if I was gonna make reference to that in PS, it would be limited to Germany.
06:39:02 syv: Someone's gotta specifically wish for it if they want local tanker schools.
06:40:24 ER: aren't we in some nonspecific country?
06:40:50 syv: Nonspecific country means that if I name a country, it's specific, and therefore not the country we're in
06:41:49 syv: We're also not in Russia, despite being on the North coast and having a heavy Russian mob presence.
06:42:35 ER: ...have we seen russian mob?
06:43:46 syv: It's ambiguous who the slavers work for.
06:44:09 ER: Am I even in the same general area as the others?
06:44:20 syv: They certainly have worked *with* the Russians though, so you've likely seen some of them.
06:44:50 Devastator: don't kill us with your awesome unlimited powers.
06:59:45 Devastator: I am fairly impressed at how long the GM stuck with the rules.
07:03:21 Devastator: insects don't store well.
07:05:14 Devastator: Man, it's been a long time since Oric.
07:06:12 syv: "If spiders were as big as crabs and lived in the ocean, would you-" "How do I set fire to the ocean?"
07:06:48 ER: been tempted to start a "the warrens of ciro the dwarven" a few times, starring a mysterious white-haired adventurer.
07:07:02 syv: Well, after seven pages of google, I conclude that spiders taste kinda like crab, but mostly like spiders, and that live spiders probably taste bad because they aren't cooked.
07:07:11 Devastator: I don't know if you coudl keep it up that long.
07:07:25 syv: Don't worry, FFS could only barely draw.
07:07:40 ER: me? I can't keep anything up for any length of time
07:10:42 Devastator: still waiting on turn 1 for me.
07:11:04 ER: 1 turn per 1.5 week is pretty good~
07:13:44 Devastator: yeah, it isn't that bad.
07:13:54 Devastator: If I ever run another game it'll be a SG.
07:14:00 Devastator: can't handle more than one turn per turn.
07:14:15 ER: turn per turn ratio: not good
07:14:16 Devastator: Maybe something from RTSTW like Sh.
07:16:08 syv: Oddly, I actually rather enjoy the multi-perspective turns in PS.
07:16:11 Devastator: or something character based with an odd twist.
07:16:31 syv: It's fun to write the same thing, but from different angles, with different perceptions.
07:16:33 Devastator: yeah, like you are snek, something's wrong, do yo thang.
07:16:44 Devastator: Yeah, you got some good stuff there.
07:17:17 syv: I *have* eaten snake, snakes are good.
07:17:37 syv: I don't recall what it tasted like, but I remember thinking it tasted good.
07:17:47 Devastator: Hmm, I had one where I rolled up a floating islands world.
07:18:02 syv: Ooh, I've been talking to
MJ about those.
07:18:37 ER: my problem might be telling myself that I'll do games where I do turns quickly, and then in practace I just feel the need to write big detailed turns.
07:18:57 Devastator: yeah, that's tough.
07:20:19 Devastator: Hmm, fixed result for 'floating islands.'
07:20:21 Devastator: lets roll from there.
07:20:30 ER: so obviously I need to set up a game where I explicitly only update once a year, on christmas~
07:20:34 Devastator: Hmm, desert. That's pretty dominant.
07:21:08 Devastator: species is.. 71. That's furry zone mammals.
07:21:25 Devastator: with desert, it'd be something like mousepeople.
07:21:47 syv: Make it a collaborative game. I update it in May, then six months later you update.
07:22:07 syv: They probably WANT that,
ER. Careful with your words.
07:22:22 syv:
Dev, cats are desert animals.
07:22:34 Devastator: could be catpeople, yeah.
07:22:59 ER: with the cats eating the mousepeople, of course
07:23:07 Devastator: so mousepeople and just cats?
07:23:29 Devastator: catpeople and just mice?
07:24:13 ER: magical mice that are the only food source because it's a fucking desert
07:24:18 Devastator: anyway, floating islands.
07:24:34 Devastator: Nah, there would probably be some good sized islands.
07:24:39 Devastator: it might also not be the only terrain.
07:24:43 syv: Mousepeople and catpeople, at war.
07:24:54 Devastator: you're from the floating desert islands, but maybe you trade with other regions or something.
07:24:58 ER: big spheres of rock and sand held up by ancient machinery
07:25:03 syv: Nomadic cat people raiders who ritualistically sacrifice and eat micepeople.
07:25:20 Devastator: Size next seems likely.
07:25:39 ER: as in, a great big self-maintaining clockwork facility at the bottom of each island with giant propellers
07:25:40 Devastator: There a lot of you or a few of you? And am I rolling for the catpeople or the mousepeople?
07:26:06 Devastator: Ooh, that's a roll.
07:26:21 Devastator: 21 and 2. You're from the one surviving town of catpeople, on a floating desert island.
07:26:32 syv: Maybe cat people are interdimensional travelers with airships and high technology, but are a dying species. The mousepeople create large cities and are native, but have much inferior tech, medieval or just at the beginning of gunpowder.
07:27:11 Devastator: Could be the NA background, mousepeople developed tech first and almost exterminated you guys.
07:27:30 Devastator: probably extra-nasty due to say, historical predation.
07:27:49 Devastator: might also roll for the mousepeople. Or not.
07:28:08 Devastator: Yeah.. that's a high roll. Lots of mousepeople. Big cities, large nations.
07:28:43 Devastator: I could see travelling catpeople, but that might be a little too extreme for such a small number of them.
07:29:33 syv: Islands rise and fall with the seasons, inter-island transport is done via gliders.
07:29:51 Devastator: or I could roll for magic, tech, and plot armour.
07:30:02 Devastator: unless you just want to roll with that as is and come up with interesting backgrounds.
07:30:30 Devastator: The two magic rolls are 67 and.. 7.
07:31:33 Devastator: 67 is in low fantasy magitech. It's common and people will be familiar with it, but about one magic user per 300 people and maybe devices or tools or such a bit more common.
07:31:55 Devastator: I'd expect there to be something related to transportation and various survival methods.
07:32:57 syv: If most are familiar, I'd expect items to be at least 1 per twenty people. I suppose there might also be very large important objects which are visible and public use.
07:33:25 syv: Is there ground, and if so, is it livable? Why would anyone live on the islands?
07:34:46 Devastator: I'd presume there is ground, due to the sheer numbers of mousepeople.
07:35:45 syv: Aah. So cats live on islands, and the lighter ones can survive falls with only major injuries. Plus they've got good balance and fall less often. Mice would be more wary of island living.
07:36:04 Devastator: Mice can survive falls cats can't.
07:36:08 syv: Are islands connected to the land, or do you need flight? What forms of flight are there, if any?
07:36:27 Devastator: I'd say 'generally no' with the vast difference between the population sizes.
07:36:39 syv: Cats are better at surviving being thrown at walls.
07:36:44 Devastator: Also, we're talking about mousepeople and catpeople, so the size difference isn't going to be as great as between mice and cats.
07:37:06 syv: They could be cat-sized catpeople and mice-sized micepeople :P.
07:37:19 Devastator: These are just guidelines.
07:37:34 Devastator: If you work up a really good background, I'll think about running it after my job ends in January.
07:38:16 Devastator: Yeah, I should have time then.
07:38:18 syv:
ER! You're the creative one! HELP ME DO THIS!
07:38:20 Devastator: I'll be pretty tired when working.
07:38:25 Devastator: If you want any more rolls let me know.
07:38:54 syv: How close do we have to come to the actual rolls? Can we revise/replace?
07:38:55 Devastator: I think the only restrictions I'll put on it is the PC will be from the small faction of single-town sized population of catpeople.
07:39:06 Devastator: who live on one or more floating desert islands.
07:39:25 Devastator: and are in some kind of conflict with the massive population of well-developed mousepeople.
07:39:39 ER: cats are cat sized, mice are mouse sized.
07:39:50 Devastator: I'll be fine with that.
07:39:59 ER: The mice really like spears and formation combat
07:40:12 Devastator: I'd probably be uncomfortable if you put magic as too common, too.
07:40:29 Devastator: Oh, and also, in anything rolled on this, the threat must be extinction-level.
07:40:37 Devastator: When it happens there will be no catpeople left.
07:40:42 syv: There's a range of biomes on the islands, and cats used to be the dominant species, living predominantly on islands for religious reasons.
07:41:05 Devastator: oh, also the 'divine magic' roll was a 7.
07:41:10 Devastator: so no priestly mages.
07:41:33 syv: Magic is considered holy, an the strongest spells do grant flight, but those take a lot of time (ritual magic), great skill, and intense concentration for the duration.
07:41:47 ER: Mice used to live on the surface, in burrows, but advances in technology have made them a powerful empire.
07:41:52 syv: Well, it could be considered holy, but still be arcane, yes?
07:42:07 syv: people with strong magic are considered blessed by the gods, even if not actually?
07:43:17 ER: Right, about 100 years ago the mouse peoples were united under one mousey emporor, who had magical powers thought to be divine in origin.
07:43:29 syv: Many islands have surface connections, generally flora dangling from the bottoms. They also have lots of floating rocks around the edges, and fragments occasionally break away. Someone who falls off the edge is likely to hit an edge rock before the ground, though not terribly likely to catch on.
07:43:47 syv: Oooh, yes, mouse god-emperor.
07:44:57 syv: Cats are better at climbing than mice, due mostly to their large size and jumping ability. They can hop between rocks. Mice are more industrious, though, and make ladders.
07:45:41 syv: The current desert island has no land connection, needing flight, or gliding from a higher island to get there.
07:46:06 ER: Mice have invented magical flying airships, but they are extremely, EXTREMELY expensive to build, and only two exist.
07:46:53 syv: And because I like the concept, islands do bob go up and down, and higher-to-lower island gliding is the traitional less-magical alternative to proper magical flight.
07:47:26 syv: Both were originally designed as warships, but now mostly perform freight transport, since the cats are dead.
07:47:37 syv: Should the mice know about the last cats?
07:48:21 syv: Probably not. That way they can be more of an enemy for the cats, and it's more of a traditional trope.
07:48:50 syv: Unless the cats have some defenses for their island, but that sounds like too much.
07:49:50 ER: what better defense than apathy?~
07:50:48 syv: Mice probably hate cats too much to leave the job unfinished.
07:52:36 syv: Cats used to have a grand civilization, mostly built on islands (which they considered holy and closer to the gods). Most islands have uninhabited cat ruins, some still with treasure surviving. Mice consider islands evil and cursed, as cats historically lived up on them and would come down to kill and eat them. Some mice adventurers do explore the cities for loot, though.
07:53:06 syv: A few islands have small border towns, maybe penal colonies? which most adventurers work from.
07:55:14 syv: Historically, cats were the strongest magicians, and had greater magical powers. They've left a fair number of magical artifacts around their ruins, but the mice largely dismisses them. The way they teach magic is somewhat incompatible, and cat artifacts are difficult for mice to use, and vise-versa. Plus, modern mice create just as powerful artifacts, so don't need to sift through a dead empire's junk.
07:57:54 syv: Both mice and cats have equal chances of mage-hood (~1/300 souls, as
Dev said), cats were only more powerful because they were physically more powerful, and survived longer to teach the youth. Also they live longer, cats are like giant elves to mice. Mice, once their civ got stronger and became more stable, became more powerful because they have waaay more births, and therefore way more mages, which with proper training can rival cat mages.
07:58:30 Devastator: There's no mandate that mice have the same magical odds, or even the same kind of magic.
07:59:22 syv: Once they could actually fight back, their society experienced a massive boom and developed much faster, and they learned to fight back against cats even without magic. Spear formations became a cornerstone of defense.
08:00:24 syv: Things really changed, however, when the mice mages reverse engineered floatrocks... wait, no. They captured a particularly large floating stone fragment, and carved a city into it.
08:01:05 syv: Both their warships were made like this, and they use... other means for propulsion. I'unno, magic seems boring.
ER can come up with something.
08:02:45 ER: which are bred to blow really hard out the back
08:03:02 syv: Anyway, cats had a major religious crisis when mice mages started popping up, they thought they were the chosen holy race, and mice created as their prey. When tons of mice mages started showing up, they were confused why the prey was gaining so many gifts from god. They blamed this on the mice's god-emperor, claiming him to be a false, evil god, who came to usurp their own.
08:03:26 syv: Hehehe. Not my first choice, but I can't think of anything better.
08:03:45 ER: praise the mouse emperor of mousekind
08:05:00 syv: Cats, socially, are kinda assholes. They believe that a person is pretty much born with fate dictating who they are and how they'll do. If you're born into low station, tough luck, you're screwed. Born with magical talent, you're an awesome person touched by god. Both, well, your parents only existed to make you come around.
08:05:46 syv: This leads to them being lazy (why work, when fate will bring good things to you?) and jerks (Meh, if god loved you, he wouldn't have let you fall off the island and break your legs.)
08:07:31 syv: Mouse, on the other hand, are extremely selfless, and consider self-sacrifice to be the highest virtue. They believe their heaven only opens to those who die for mousekind, and that if you ever stop working for your community, you are evil and have abandoned them. They have no such thing as retirement, they work until they die.
08:08:11 syv: There's exceptions, of course, but they're considered bad people who are selfish and are taking advantage of society and their family.
08:08:40 syv: That's deliberate! I like evil vs evil.
08:09:30 ER: cats and mice have seperate pantheons, but with a little overlap. They hate this fact a little, and tend to spurn those gods that they share between them.
08:10:13 syv: Mice have a sort of neutral religion, that has no central figure, more just a force that is kinda half between a god, and the spirtual embodiment of their community. "God", for them, is only there as long as there's mice working together, and its actions only affect the world as long as those mice are working to affect their world.
08:10:42 syv: Actually, I like that. It gives a common thread between the civilizations.
08:11:15 syv: They're too adversarial as I've made them, so at least sharing gods would give them some common ground, even if in the past they've used them to be divisive.
08:12:29 syv: Cats would probably view the pantheon as dominated by the one leader, with the other gods being underlings that understand their place and role, while mice would emphasize the teamwork of the gods, with each god having its own talents and them all working in unison.
08:12:52 syv: Which constrasts their ethoses (?) perfectly!
08:14:04 ER: okay, what does magic actually do though
08:14:33 syv: So how does the god-emperor come in? He's a powerful mouse mage, of course... or maybe he's a creation? An immortal god-king would be perfect, but mice live short lives, and magic shouldn't be strong enough to grant immortality, least not easily. Maybe there's a secret cabal of mages who create the illusion of an immortal god king? Mice illuminati?
08:15:08 ER: Magic can't make you live forever.
08:16:00 syv: Hmm. Yeah. So a single powerful individual who united the mice and lead the charge against the cats, but then died off, and let the mice lose their fervor for war.
08:16:03 ER: In his place are other mage mice, but they have different titles and less power.
08:16:27 syv: Sorta like George Washington permanently being in charge of the USA military?
08:16:40 syv: Can magic commune with the dead?
08:17:13 ER: The dead guy is still the one emperor, but he is dead.
08:17:46 syv: Do souls exist? Do people go anywhere after dying? Can souls be ripped from bodies? Can you eat souls? Or are all mice and cats just meat?
08:17:49 ER: Might be they expect him to come back someday, or someone sililarly powerful who can take on the title of emperor.
08:18:16 syv: Someone taking his place seems more mousey.
08:18:25 ER: We have a trend of arcane magic being real and connected in people's mind to gods, but the gods not being real.
08:18:44 syv: Yeah, he'd have to be dead. Mice value dying for your country highly, so as their greatest hero, he had to die.
08:18:48 ER: We have can souls and an afterlife, but it's not a *thing* that you can interact with.
08:21:26 syv: I think some sort of mana system might be appropriate. Very slow regen, or at least magic being exhausting. A mouse mage could suddenly fry a cat, but then he's out for the day, or maybe a week.
08:21:41 ER: But yeah, the empire is waiting for a new emperor. Some powerful mages try to attain that position but aren't accepted. Instead the empire is led by councils and bureaucracy. It's all officially one empire, because they're all waiting to have one leader again, but it's splintered.
08:22:37 ER: Magic is stored as an energy in your body, which is part of why cats are stronger, of course.
08:22:50 syv: Sudden powerful bursts of magic are possible, but extra taxing, and they can only be very limited, sudden effects. A flash of fire or lightning, but no mage-handing on a whim. You gotta concentrate and plan out your spell for anything complex.
08:23:07 syv: Or maybe ritual magic is just more efficient? Hmm. I like that.
08:23:30 ER: Doing anything major with it will drain a lot from you, both tiring you out now and taking days to recover the energy, but spells can't resisted.
08:23:40 syv: Yeah, mice and cats can cast the same spells, with the same strength, but cats can hold more mana, live longer, and naturally are lazier, so they store lots more magic.
08:23:59 ER: The sort of magic that can just reach out and stop your heart, unless you're also a mage and actively do something against it.
08:25:08 syv: Powerful and long-term effects need circle magic, where many mages work together. Mice are naturally much better at this, but they *need* to do it if they want ro replicate the effects created by the strongest cat archmages.
08:25:48 syv: Circle magic also just makes it less draining, since everyone share the drain, and you can switch in new mages like new batteries, long as they can join the chant.
08:26:47 ER: I like the idea of minimally trained mouse mages literally casting themselves to death
08:27:04 syv: Skill matters, but a skilled mage can drain from others without them being quite as skilled, which is part of why the god-emperor was so powerful. He used other mice's mana, but could do so much more with it, especially if he had a few other skilled mages helping him.
08:27:25 syv: Suicide bombers. Their society would totally encourage that.
08:28:17 syv: That's a little disturbing, actually. If they believe you gotta die for your society, but a mouse mage hates the idea of working to death, they might decide dying in battle is the best plan. ._.
08:29:12 syv: Yeah, you join in the circle, and it's your choice when to step out. There's no rules on when that should be, but it's heavily encouraged that you go near-death--those who don't last as long are ridiculed as weak, those who die are hailed as heroes.
08:30:04 ER: Though highly skilled mages dying of exaustion is also seen as a minor tragedy.
08:30:30 ER: Leave that yo those strong of body and weak of mind.
08:30:39 syv: "They could have done more instead of dying"
08:32:00 ER: They keep a tally of everyone who dies working, mages or workers, and read the list publicly each day.
08:32:39 syv: If you die ignobly, your name is never recorded, and your body left in the trash.
08:32:41 ER: ah, we have created a magical society.
08:33:26 syv: While cat mages are broadly respected in society, because magedom is seen as proof that they are fated for great things, mice mages, while having some respect, are more pressured to achieve, and aren't really respected until they get to the higher ranks of mages.
08:34:34 syv: Dying as a battery can be seen as a kind of shortcut, since you get the greatest honor without working for your whole life. Plus, since many mice mages never reach the high tiers even without dying early, it's sometimes seen as the *only* way.
08:35:57 syv: Should the final cat town be hopeful and positive, changing for the better? Or should they be bitter and remain self-destructive?
08:36:32 syv: The former might be better since they're the protags, but the latter means the solo protag could put effort into changing them.
08:36:39 ER: Well, if they're all self destructive, they probably won't last long <.<
08:37:06 syv: Nah, it's still a game. They won't die unless
Dev kills them.
08:37:09 ER: Make it mostly positive, but with clear signs of where they came from.
08:38:47 syv: Hm. So they're being more helpful to the lower parts of society, since there's so few cats, but they're not entirely happy about it. Heh. Should they be tsundere? "I'm only helping you because times are hard, and we all need help! If I weren't worried about where I'll get food tomorrow, I'd leave you to rot!"
08:39:34 ER: mouse society: grimdark self-sacrifice
08:39:58 syv: I'm not sure which is worse~
08:40:41 syv: Oh! The desert island used to be something of a border town. Since it doesn't have land connections, only being reachable through flight, and doesn't have much on it that's valuable, it was always a backwater.
08:40:51 syv: That's why the mice didn't notice it.
08:41:40 syv: Much of the populace is descended from families that have lived there for generations, but there's a clesr second class, that of the refugees and their descendents, which is clearly culturally separate.
08:42:34 syv: The refugees have more of the old selfishness, but also have more mages (which might be down to luck). They view that second part, especially, as a sign that they're better.
08:44:13 syv: The natives, as always, find it more important to survive, and are overall a bit nicer than the others. But the refugees are still consumed with a desire to fight back against the mice and reclaim their glory. They all have stories of ancestors who died in battle, or were murdered in cold blood, while the natives pretty much only know other people who were involved. The war never reached them.
08:44:56 ER: thought process: jeez, hit those mage assholes with a table leg -> wait, who is the protaganist going to be -> katia! -> what is booze like in this world?
08:45:28 syv: Genetically, natives can kinda be picked out from their looks. While there's been some mixing over the generation, they all tend to have short fur and light patterned colors, tan most prominantly.
08:46:02 syv: The refugees, in contrast, have a wide range of coats and colors. Some are very fluffy, or dark, or which is not ideal
08:46:54 syv: Katia is a tan shorthair. Well, yellowish, but close enough.
08:47:43 syv: I'd presume booze to be a limited resource in a desert, probably somewhat limited to the richer people.
08:48:42 syv: Cats have never had royalty, and despite being very selfish and viewing themselves as "ordained better", actually have a somewhat meritocratic society. After all anyone who has gained status was fated for it.
08:49:15 syv: Most may not try, and when they do their success isn't attributed to their effort, but some do anyway.
08:51:34 syv: This means that the only nobility they've heard of is mouse nobility, the most notable one being the mouse emperor, who they see as something of a satanic figure.
08:52:05 syv: A false god who brought power to their fated victims and toppled their empire.
08:53:10 syv: Cats recognize that mice are people with minds, but are extremely racist, thinking that they're universally very stupid creatures. This has a *little* basis, since cats live longer and gain more knowledge, but it's mostly because they're mean.
08:53:45 syv: They refuse to believe that any figure as powerful as the emperor could be a mouse, too, which is why he must be an evil god. They don't realize he's desd.
08:54:12 syv: Do cats know how to cast circlemagic? CAN cats cast circlemagic?
08:54:39 syv: They might attribute all mice circlemagic to the emperor, since no single mouse could attain magic that powerful.
08:55:04 ER: Though they can't do quite as powerful things thanks to a sense of self-preservation
08:55:51 syv: They prolly have no idea about the level mice mages will go to.
08:56:33 syv: ...Though, if mice flaws aren't known to the cats, then the cats look less sympathetic. They're already pretty unsympathetic.
08:57:00 ER: nah, they think it's a sign of mice's stupidity that they're willing to die for a little magic power.
08:58:19 syv: Tails are a conduit for power. Circle magic requires touching tails together. This is purely so that mice circles who all die in the act of casting leave behind a rat king.
09:00:04 syv: Come on, that would be an awesome moment. Squeezing through the abandoned mouse corridors, only to find a huge open meditstion hall, at the center of which are five mummified mouse mages, with their tails all knotted up.
09:30:39 Devastator: so you can't fit it in your pocket?
09:31:32 syv: You can fit it in your pocket, you'll just have a little robot dildo sticking ot.
09:31:56 Devastator: ..couldn't you do everything in this video by just having a non-robotic latch thingy?
09:32:08 syv: Which affectionately rubs you if anyone texts you a smiley face.
09:32:32 syv: Could a latch rub you affectionately?
09:32:36 Devastator: I like the 'how does it work' bit that doesn't tell you how it works.
09:32:47 Devastator: pre-robotic dildoes managed that, apparently.
09:33:05 Devastator: "It's a plastic bit."
09:33:35 syv: Yes but that requires effort by the user. This surprises you, which is better. I guess.
09:33:39 ER: I think some researchers just wanted an excuse to play with a robot finger
09:34:02 Devastator: I'm pretty sure this thing requires effort by the user.
09:34:05 syv: Yes, but it's still a good video.
09:34:18 Devastator: It's an average video about a terrible product.
09:34:31 syv: Nah, if you're holding the phone and reading forums or whatever, the finger will start rubbing you of its own accord.
09:34:49 Devastator: The video is average and the product sucks.
09:35:03 syv: Which makes for a good video, because it's hilarious.
09:39:50 ER: Unsounded is good, you should read more or it~
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10:56:07 syv: Apparentlyin surviv, all shots have a 15% chance to be a headshot, which doubles damage. For shotguns, damage is only increased 50%, as are boltaction snipers aside from the AWM (which gets no boost).
10:56:41 Devastator: so helmets do nothing against the AWM?
10:56:55 syv: Vests don't protect against headshots at all, but helmets provide 25%, 40%, or 55% damage reduction against headshots.
10:57:13 syv: Helmets also provide 1/3 their protection to body shots, so they do help.
10:57:54 Devastator: What is base damage for the AWM?
10:57:58 syv: And the AWM CAN headshot, it just gets no boost. In practice it'll still do more damage because vests don't protect against headshot damage.
10:58:21 syv: Vests provide 25%, 38%, or 45% protection.
11:00:10 syv: So you need tier 3, or both tier two armor pieces, to survive.
11:00:33 syv: And T3 vest only will leave you with 1 HP.
11:00:56 syv: ...Wait no, did that backwards. 19 HP.
11:02:32 syv: The highest DPS weapons in the game are the sawnoff, followed fairly far back by dual Glock 18s at melee range
11:03:22 syv: M870s only have a DPS of 125, vs the MP220's 562.5, and the G18's 150*2.
11:03:47 Devastator: "Because of how weak this gun is, it is commonly used in challenges."
11:04:34 syv: Note that M870s can empty in far less than a second, which makes its DPS look better.
11:04:59 syv: The problem with the G18 is its range. It's shorter ranged than shotguns, and takes longer to deal its damage.
11:05:17 syv: The saiga-12 has a DPS of 281.25, BTW.
11:05:42 syv: So if you can land every G18 shot, you'll beat a autoshotty. But you can't land every shot,
11:06:41 Devastator: unless your firing point is literally inside the enemy.
11:08:30 syv: The OT-38 has a DPS of 65, the lowest in the game aside from the three slowest SRs.
11:09:29 syv: Dual wielded, it's actually "better" than SMGs and slower ARs, but has a short range, and horrible accuracy.
11:09:46 Devastator: the OT-38 has a short range?
11:10:39 Devastator: something's off there.
11:10:52 Devastator: it seems to go a lot further than 5/4 the range of a mac-10.
11:10:56 syv: Shortest ranged AR is the FAMAS at 150. Shotguns aside from SPAS have a range of 27.
11:11:47 syv: I think the MAC-10 just has terrible accuracy, so it feels shorter. But the info could be wrong.
11:13:20 syv: Bolt actions and LMGs deal 50% more damage to obstacles. M249 deals 75% more.
11:14:23 syv: The DP-28 has lower DPS than any AR, and only slightly more than an MP5.
11:15:17 Devastator: yeah, the DP-28 doesn't do much damage.
11:15:22 Devastator: ahh, five times the shotgun range.
11:15:52 syv: The Vector has better DPS than every other auto aside from the MAC-10, but only 46 range, almost equal to the SPAS.
11:16:31 syv: It also has the shortest reload outside of shotguns.
11:18:24 syv: Oh, this doesn't mention bullet velocity, which is pretty important. It's also entirely possible that "range" is bullet lifetime, in which case it only tells half the story.
11:19:39 syv: The flaregun, for some reason, is listed as having 25 DPS. It deals no damage, instead calling down an airdrop.
11:20:49 Devastator: it used to deal damage.
11:21:01 syv: Fists have a DPS of 161. Knives have a DPS of 180.9, and otherwise identical stats. The wood axe has a DPS of 202, and 11% more range (1 vs 0.9).
11:21:20 syv: The pan has a DPS of 174, but a range of 1.5
11:21:51 syv: Frags have a 4-second fuse.
11:23:36 syv: The mosin has higher DPS if you swap to your other weapon, then back to the mosin.
11:26:02 syv: This may or may not also apply to the M870, but the m870 definitely won't slow you down for a full half second if you swap away.
11:26:58 syv: Air drops deal 200 damage if they land on you, this is not mitigated by armor.
11:28:05 Devastator: what if they land on an obstacle with more than 200 HP?
11:28:07 syv: The flaregun can headshot. It still deals 0 damage, unless the crate lands on the player.
11:29:19 syv: I'll shoot a barrel with it if I get one.
11:30:56 Devastator: ..do barrels have 200 HP?
11:32:20 syv: Wiki says they explode after seven hits, so no. Seven punches only do 168 damage.
11:32:55 syv: Stones take "10-15" hits, so maybe.
11:33:39 syv: In every game, there is one rock sitting on a radiation marker, and if destroyed it will drop an AK and some other random loot.
11:34:13 syv: It is also slightly darker.
11:38:00 Devastator: I've seen the trees.
11:38:04 Devastator: but didn't look for a rock.
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