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01:13:07 Devastator: Didn't see you sign up for Coven.
01:25:30 MidJag: Yeah, I'm trying to get into it, It's nice too see you, how you been?
01:27:36 Devastator: It's not hard to get in, just post. Need any help?
01:28:50 MidJag: Yeah, I franklly have no ideas about a charecter.
01:31:00 Devastator: Chavs are the british equivalent of white trash.
01:31:08 Devastator: Except kids, basically.
01:31:29 Devastator: You could ask
NJW about them, he'll be better at describing them.
01:31:45 Devastator: Think of the kind of guys who would have popped collars and be drunk a lot.
01:33:52 MidJag: Heh, that definitely sounds like something I would play.
01:38:21 Devastator: If my character died early, I also had in mind playing some character who thinks he's in a coma and living out his fantasies while unconscious somewhere.
01:40:50 MidJag: heh, that sounds pretty great
01:40:58 Devastator: Also, if you want to be basically the same kind of character, but a bit older and with higher standards you're a lad.
01:41:23 Devastator: Although looking up at it, it seems the feminist movement has demonized them recently, so you might not want to say that.
01:42:52 Devastator: Think someone, who might have money and be a professional in some way, but who is interested in recreation consisting of stuff like fast cars, getting drunk, watching sports, and fighting or combat sports.
01:45:40 Devastator: You don't have to be a sexist asshole to like any one of those, or in combination with them, but apparently the brush is pretty wide.
01:47:16 Devastator: Better to be a chav, they're supposed to be trashy, so you can have fun with it.
01:49:10 MidJag: heh, a chav might be fun, like a football hooligan style thing :P
01:52:08 Devastator: A lot of them are football hooligans.
01:52:12 Devastator: There's lots of overlaps.
01:57:10 MidJag: Hmm. Yeah, a chav has potential.
02:04:10 MidJag: I'll ask
syv about the stats
02:10:38 Devastator: For magic stats, I'd take two ritual use and one puissance to power it. More points in puissance isn't much good, and there's several rune users. Plus I can't see Chavs being about writing.
02:10:49 Devastator: Alternatively drop one of those three poitns for a point in banal combat.
02:11:25 Devastator: For physical I'd say a chav has to have a point in melee, and the others aren't too important.
02:13:18 MidJag: All, I can think of is chav summoning demons so he party with them.
02:13:47 Devastator: Well, then pick a good chalice.
02:14:47 Devastator: What you summon demons with. In the weapons list.
02:15:25 Devastator: You need an occult medium, which you can get just by asking a magical creature for some, which are everywhere. You might get something more potent if you look around first, but it isn't that necessary.
02:15:39 Devastator: In addition to that, you need something that holds liquid and some non-magical liquid.
02:15:46 Devastator: I'm sure a chav can handle those two.
02:18:30 Devastator: Also, for wands, staffs, and pendants, stuff that's architectually relevant to London has a lot more power. It's why my self-made wand is so utterly weak.
02:18:58 MidJag: ....So stealing the top of the london tower would be an amazing wand?
02:19:54 Devastator: although it would almost certainly have something huge living on it.
02:21:52 MidJag: Sounds like something to drink an enourmous amount of malt liqour and fighting whatever is on it with a bunch of summoned bros. :P
02:30:37 MidJag: Hmm, yeah, this has potential.
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05:15:41 syv: No
ER, so I suppose there's no need to send a greeting message.
05:32:34 MidJag:
syv, thoughts on stats for a chav/frat bro
05:33:33 MidJag: I've heard from
dev but a second opinoin never hurts.
05:33:38 syv: Not many, I've never paid huge attention to Coven stats.
05:33:51 MidJag: I'm suprised by this statement
05:34:13 syv: Pract is prolly the best mundane stat, rit is *arguably* the strongest magic one, but neither seems appropriate for a frat.
05:34:31 syv: Agility is good to have a bit of for defensive purposes.
05:34:50 MidJag: actually ritual might work decent.
05:35:06 syv: Oh, I misspoke. I meant runic sight.
05:36:09 syv: Banal is probably not a good choice, if only because it's boring and we've already got a max-banal char anyway.
05:37:03 syv: Yeah, I think I'd suggest high agi, then either focus on pussant fettle or ritual magic depending on whether you want to cast spells or summon monsters.
05:37:24 syv: Coven isn't exactly mechanically deep, and it's balanced by all stats just being different.
05:37:26 MidJag: I'm thinking summon monsters, gotta have bros to party with.
05:38:07 syv: You may want a point or two of pract, since it's used for cha and basically all noncombat nonmagical stuff.
05:38:28 syv: And aim if you intend to be a wander... which you apparently don't.
05:40:07 MidJag: I could do wander, but at the same time, having a dude who summons stuff by drinking heavily and thinks they are actually just friends who've showed up to whatever event he has is too tempting to resist
05:41:57 syv: Ritual is more powerful but less flexible. It's not a bad choice at all.
05:44:07 MidJag: Hmm,
Dev suggested meele.
05:44:53 syv: We've got a lot of killy chars, I think being highly defensive is safer... but it gives you an option.
05:47:23 syv: ...Hmm.
Dev, which stat was the mind-defense stat?
05:48:04 syv: It occurs to me that mind control is Ben's biggest weakness, as he's all banal, but I forget which stat defends against it. If it's puissance, you definitely want some of that.
05:49:42 syv: The biggest thing to note about Coven's combat is that all weapons use the average of two stats. A gun (or mundane knife) is banal + aim (or melee). A wand is aim + pussaince.
05:50:01 MidJag: Intresting, so how does summoning work?
05:50:14 syv: So direct combat stats are half as effective as their numbers would imply.
05:50:28 syv: Rit, and agility, are just straight bonuses.
05:50:46 syv: *Pretty* sure, at least.
Dev might correct me,
05:51:24 syv: But that makes agi, pract, rit, and runic all effectively twice as beneficial as the attack stats.
05:52:04 MidJag: Is it RTD style rolling>
05:52:25 syv: So a +1 is a huge bonus, really.
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06:16:56 syv: "Deliberate" is a really weird word. You'd think it would mean to trap, or to enslave, or something like that--you're de-liberating, after all--but no. It means "done carefully" or "carefully consider". Weird.
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08:59:13 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Intergalactic Day of Mourning for 2016 (2016-2016)
08:59:13 Topic set by Remalle!Variety@i2246816zi629tu21.vc.shawcable.net [Tuesday 03 January 2017, 06:26:56]
10:05:48 Devastator: It can also mean 'slow'
10:05:56 Devastator: now, lets see if
MJ posted in Coven..
10:07:19 Devastator: Sacrificing
Paris's character is looking better and better.
10:07:20 syv: I give it 40/60 chances he'll actually join and stay.
10:07:35 Devastator: three to two against?
10:10:41 Devastator: I kinda do want to see a chav character.
10:11:55 syv: As opposed to a frat character?
10:12:15 syv: I think a chav might be a little outside of
MJ's cultural experience.
10:18:31 Devastator: Eh, they aren't -that- much different.
10:20:17 Devastator: also, melee can be a defensive stat too.
10:20:43 Devastator: at least, my understanding of them is they're like frat boys, but more, for lack of a better word, street.
10:23:38 Devastator: And wands aren't aim but puissance. They're just aim.
10:24:45 syv: Eh? I woulda sworn they averaged the stats.
10:24:58 Devastator: Nope, just aim. I've shot mine a few times at a straight +1.
10:26:24 Devastator: I do think a chav would be more of a melee guy, anyway, just due to being a chav.
10:26:28 syv: Huh. I guess Ben would be awesome with wands, if only he believed in their existence.
10:26:49 Devastator: Dammit, still gotta drain his clots.
10:27:14 syv: Hah, I just killed a rocket launcher with a sniper standing four feet away!
10:27:49 Devastator: lost a round of survivor when a sniper shot me in the face from like four feet away..
10:27:55 Devastator: was the last guy too.
10:29:19 syv: I'd imagine snipers aren't *too* terrible at close range in that game. It's still a high damage shot.
10:30:08 Devastator: Yeah, guy had the really big sniper rifle. If I'd been a little fuller on health I'd have survived, and then might have won, depending on how quickly the guy switched to his other weapon and what it was.
10:39:57 Devastator: But yeah. So let me know when you want to murder Helen in Cult.
10:41:36 syv: I don't see any reason to, ye.
10:41:59 syv: Guile is stalking her, though, so if she tries something *too* dangerous he can swoop in.
10:45:40 Devastator: more writing 'I know' on foggy glass?
10:46:54 syv: That would be insufficient grounds for murder.
10:54:33 Devastator: you know my stance on forum-game murder.
10:55:44 syv: Whenever you feel like it would be funny?
10:57:16 syv: Oddly enough, the visual image of Guile jumping out of the shadows and breaking the neck of an (admittedly annoying) girl isn't particularly humourous to me.
10:58:46 syv: ...It's more amusing when his theme plays during it, though.
10:59:09 syv: That reminds me. Egan, next time we're both around in IRC, remind me to talk about the thing.
10:59:16 Devastator: spin-kick, clearly.
11:02:47 Devastator: reading Rgu's stuff.
11:02:54 Devastator: 'Clearly, you shouldn't try unless you know it'll work.'
11:03:45 syv: Well, yeah. To try invites failure.
11:06:28 syv: I think Tiruin may have missed the writeup on Honorable Dead motivations.
11:06:50 Devastator: What is the motivation?
11:08:54 syv: They're all driven, invariably, by a sense of guilt which they can't place. They need to atone, and when they finally *do* atone, they drop dead.
11:09:28 syv: Meanwhile, Tir's character is exploring the bore, marveling at the machinery, and fantasizing about becoming a mechanic.
11:10:24 Devastator: I am tempted to play one, for the sole purpose of saying 'Dead men tell no tales' in response to someone else.
11:10:29 Devastator: And then, presumably dropping dead.
11:12:08 syv: Heh. Wonder what the guilt would be about in that case.
11:13:36 Devastator: Presumably, someone who didn't crack enough jokes.
11:13:46 Devastator: so I'd be cracking jokes throughout the stay, but that would be the one that ends it.
11:14:39 syv: ...That would be too amusing of a character to die so quickly. :(
11:14:47 syv: I invite you to play it, though.
11:15:44 Devastator: far too many characters, bookkeeping, wiki, discord..
11:16:51 syv: The last three can all be comfortably ignored. I ignore them.
11:17:24 Devastator: bookkeeping means loads of thread posts.
11:18:24 syv: You can also ignore other characters, really. All it means is fewer opportunities to crack jokes.
11:18:59 Devastator: I couldn't ignore other characters if I'm there to crack jokes, really.
11:19:34 syv: You totally COULD! You'd just be failing.
11:20:59 Devastator: It wouldn't be satisfying.
11:22:33 syv: Though, I suppose you ARE the champion of enjoying failure.
11:24:49 Devastator: It's more 'without failure, there's no point in enjoying victory.'
11:26:35 syv: You've certainly vicariously enjoyed grand defeats which you engineered of your own volition.
11:27:10 syv: ...Vicariously? Huh. Not sure how that got in there.
11:27:39 syv: Certain ones of which my memory is not sufficient to recall.
11:27:48 Devastator: How's underground tank doing?
11:28:22 syv: Can't go forward, can't go back, we're not interested in screwing with the occult bullshit the Nazis were playing with, so not much.
11:28:40 Devastator: time to take the ammo out of the tank, and just blow everything up?
11:29:01 syv: Simon is "helping" Tala (Tir's char) interrogate a Nazi, as of a few minutes ago.
11:29:12 syv: I omitted my sheet, so he won't do a good job.
11:32:37 Devastator: Well, so much for that.
11:33:07 Devastator: I was watching a streamer play a SM64 romhack, and the guy got to a simple lights out puzzle, and made absolutely no attempt to solve it or think.
11:33:26 Devastator: The solution was to push three buttons, and he was told two of them.
11:33:43 syv: Does that even count as a puzzle?
11:33:54 Devastator: Oh, yes it does, but try man.
11:34:01 syv: A lights out puzzle, no less, which means the third answer was obvious.
11:34:04 Devastator: "I need the whole solution man, I can't possibly think.
11:34:38 syv: That type of puzzle isn't even hard...
11:34:58 Devastator: It can be, if you fuck up you'll be stuck pushing buttons for a while.
11:35:34 Devastator: but yeah, think man.
11:36:16 syv: It's hard to figure out in the minimum number of moves, maybe, but you can just push the lights to the bottom then figure out which ones you can actually flip on that board. Then flip them.
11:36:47 syv: It's not obvious, but if you actually think about the mechanics for ten minutes they're trivial.
11:36:47 Devastator: it's made a little harder because he's supposed to match a pattern, not just turn them all out.
11:37:00 Devastator: That would take thinking! Can't think, must be stupid.
11:37:13 syv: Ahhh. Well, still, third choice would have been obvious.
11:37:24 Devastator: Yeah, assuming he even noticed what pushing the buttons does.
11:41:33 syv: Why is he playing a game that involves puzzles?
11:42:48 Devastator: It's a Mario 64 romhack.
11:42:52 Devastator: There aren't any puzzles.
11:43:26 Devastator: Hmm, found a Nan hair reference.
11:47:08 Devastator: Palutena, apparently from Kid Icarus, but I only know through Smash Brothers.
11:48:09 Devastator: Seems to have the general issue of each successive depiction having more hair. ;-p
11:52:14 syv: It's doesn't look quite inhibiting though.
11:52:32 syv: I trust Nan will accomplish that soon enough.
11:54:22 Devastator: Just amused at how three successive versions seem to have more hair. ;-p
11:56:01 syv: Easy enough to explain. Each version is supposed to top the last.
11:56:51 Devastator: so an accurate corollary, then.
12:03:59 Devastator: I suppose enough of that.
12:04:58 Devastator: Looks like DBZ abridged finished episode 60, after a freaking year.
12:07:06 Devastator: "And nobody's shutting the hell up."
12:10:51 Devastator: I'm astonished they managed to pad out DBZ.
12:14:40 Devastator: That just looks stupid.
12:16:39 Devastator: did you see that helicopter video?
12:17:08 syv is continually amazed at his ability to spell that name
12:24:47 Devastator: "Your reality was the bad one."
12:25:39 syv: "Proof helicopters are held up entirely by the pilot's belief that they can fly."
12:26:28 syv: Most of Dslyecxi's videos are good, they're just way too long. Kinda unavoidable with the nature of ARMA, but still.
12:29:14 Devastator: "I have been reassured by the pilot that everything is fine."
12:32:13 Devastator: dyslexi isn't that bad a name, anyway.
12:35:02 syv: Says you, as you misspell it.
12:35:53 syv: It's more surprising because pretty much every time I start to type it, I'm unsure of the proper spelling, and feel surprised when I finish and it looks right.
12:37:17 Devastator: What? That's how you spell dyslexi the word.
12:39:08 syv: It's not Dslyecxi the name, though.
12:39:25 syv: ...It's also not a word, pretty sure.
12:40:05 syv: Yeah, need an 'a' or a 'c'.
12:48:52 svyirss: Also, good night. Or good day. Good sleepytime.
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15:46:50 Devastator: Maybe I should try to expand the money supply by expanding a pile of gold pieces. ;-p
16:10:08 er: I dunno what the dice are doing to me now.
18:08:50 Devastator: "The Serbs used things like hand grenades, which the Austrians had never seen before." ;-p
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