00:36:16 Devastator: "… in a moment straight out of FE6, a gigantic barbarian army just popped up from the middle of a lake surrounded by my cities."
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03:39:06 Devastator: Is it okay asking Asha to wound Alida for soul?
03:39:46 syv: Try and phrase it carefully, though. Asking her to cripple you or something is unlikely to get success.
03:42:40 ER: I decided to crawl around the darkest dungeon wiki for that dank lore
03:43:18 syv: I STILL haven't finished that game.
03:43:21 Devastator: Of course, if she did cripple me that would be fine, heh.
03:43:24 ER: I've seen the ending cutscene, and I quite like it.
03:44:07 syv: Maybe I'll finish it tonight. There anything either of you want out of me tonight?
03:44:46 Devastator: Just the usual discussion nonsense, nothing urgent.
03:45:34 ER: I spent most of my time reading all of the hero barks for various afflictions. There's a lot of them, some some are excellent.
03:46:21 ER: They wrote lines for each specific hero, for each specific affliction, for each specific scenario where that affliction comes into play.
03:46:39 ER: and each of those categories has MULTIPLE lines for it
03:47:41 syv: Seems entirely reasonable to me, I usually find it weird how *few* custom lines NPCs get in text-only games.
03:48:05 syv: Writing a bunch of reaction statments for a specific personality is relatively simple.
03:48:44 ER: yeah, there's a lot more variety there compared to the shit the ancestor says
03:48:53 Devastator: It's reading and re-reading all the dialogue to do that which makes it tedious.
03:49:00 ER: not that the ancestor lacks in variety himself!
03:49:39 syv: The Ancestor himself has to voice each line multiple times, carefully, after they're all written up, so it makes sense that he has less variety.
03:49:52 ER: But yeah, writing all that in a text game isn't impossible, if only because writers are cheaper than voiceacters
03:50:06 Devastator: That might not be the case anymore.
03:50:11 Devastator: at least for good writers.
03:50:28 syv: @
Dev Sure, if the bark-writers are different from the main writer. But if you have one person who came up with the chars, and is making the barks? Not much effort to have the writing fit.
03:50:43 syv: Good voice actors are more expensive than good writers.
03:51:19 syv: And, even if they weren't, quality dialogue requires both a good writer AND a good VA.
03:51:22 ER: though you don't have to try very hard to find BAD writers OR voice actors
03:52:04 syv: Start PMing FF.net authors "Hey, you want to be paid to write me a bunch of gobbeldygook?"
03:52:05 ER: DD has good and not lazy writing, is what I'm saying.
03:52:43 ER: and also good and not lazy voice acting, made possible by just having one guy do it really well.
03:53:17 syv: Decent writing, downright AMAZING voice acting.
03:54:14 ER: speaking of decent writing, I haven't done anything productive today!
03:54:27 syv: He's supposed to have down HPL audiobooks, I really have to wonder how good those are. If they're an equivalent quality to his work on DD, I imagune they'd actually improve the books.
03:54:52 syv raises his hand for a high-five
03:56:03 ER: I breathe o2 and turn it into co2!
03:56:43 syv: Making sure plants don't asphyxiate.
03:58:13 ER: I should breathe harder and kill off all the animals and let plants take over the world
03:58:36 ER: then a few million year later, high o2 levels and megafauna!
03:58:42 syv: That would mean no cats or spiders.
03:59:08 syv: ...Hmm. I think birds would die before them, though, so maybe it wouldn't be all bad.
04:01:35 ER: whateva heterotrophs drool lol
04:02:37 syv: Some plants are heterotrophs too.
04:03:10 Devastator: Lichen would survive.
04:04:36 syv: Lichen consists of solidified soul matter created by the efforts of archmages who sought to transcend mortality.
04:04:59 syv: It survives most everything.
04:05:55 Devastator: While simultaneously being incredibly fragile.
04:06:22 ER: frikkin organisims how do they work
04:15:51 syv: Specifically, the Magic Man's Magic makes them work.
04:45:47 ER: dammit, I just had a weird philosophical throught about choice, because of ice cream bars
04:46:11 syv: I like weird philosophy. Please share?
04:46:45 ER: so i open the freezer to get an ice cream, and there's three of them left. two of one kind, and one of the other kind.
04:47:22 ER: so I grab the flavor that has two left, so the next person who comes along has a choice of flavors
04:48:08 ER: so the question is: did I maximise the number of choices that everyone gets to make, or just give my oppertunity to make a choice to someone else?
04:49:14 ER: if I choose the first type, I make a choice, and the next person gets to make a choice too. if I pick the second one, I make a choice but the next person doesn't get a chance to excersice their preference.
04:49:19 Devastator: A, yes, because you had the choice to take the one that had two kinds.
04:49:42 Devastator: You then chose to pick the option that gave the next person a choice.
04:49:50 Devastator: Now, what happens if you go back and take a second one?
04:50:24 ER: so, if I want to maximise the number of choices, I pick the first one. But then I'd have the pick the first one any time I want to maximise choice, making it NOT a choice, which in turn makes it so that it doesn't matter which I pick, there's one choice being make either way.
04:51:24 ER: ie, if I choose to maximise choice, I choose not to make a choice over what flavor I actually want, and thus don't raise the end number of choices available
04:51:45 Devastator: You could still choose your decision method as to how you made a choice.
04:57:07 syv: I'd just pick the lone ice cream which I know I like.
04:58:00 syv: There's three possibilities: The next person likes it too (bad); The next person likes both equally (small good); The next person likes the other best (most good).
04:59:19 syv: If I chose the one that there's two of, I'd be slightly less happy, and if they liked that one better, they'd be more likely to be slightly less happy since there's less of their favorite. While, if they do prefer the other, their preference is presumably no greater than my own, so it's equivalent to me taking the single ice cream and forcing them to take the less favorite.
04:59:40 syv: Since I don't know their preference, it's wisest to base my choice purely on my own.
05:04:00 ER: ...ah, while I do like the one that has only one left, the other flavor is pretty good, and I'd just had the one I liked last time, so this way I get some variety too.
05:05:07 ER: hell, if I ninja this and I'M the next person to choose, I get a choice myself that time!
05:05:59 ER: this way I get to pick my preference TWICE, even if my preference the first time was to pick the one I want less, because it might increase choice down the line
05:09:26 syv: Yes, you've figured out how to be optimistic. Good job~
05:10:16 ER: you kidding? I'm hella optimistic. How else could I kill so many of my own characters?
05:13:14 ER: I'm the MOST optimistic, folks, just ask anyone
05:50:08 syv: Hey,
ER, how optimistic is Refine?
05:50:46 ER: Not much more optimistic than dark souls
05:50:47 syv: Like, I know it's post-apoc, but isn't it more about struggling and succeeding against the badness, unlike PS/PM3 where it's more of a merciless descent?
05:51:47 ER: you can struggle, but it's unlikely to save the world in the end. Saving the world is possible, but might just make thw world too unfair to even deserve to exist.
05:52:18 ER: But, as for you personally, it might not be your problem.
05:53:13 ER: You're more powerful than most things in the world, it's your job to bring hope, and you probably won't live long enough to see the world cast into darkness forever.
05:53:34 syv: Asking because Nik's reason for not joining PS was the very downer nature of it. He likes light-in-the-darkness, stuggle against impossible odds stuff... but only if there's actually real hope, rather than hope existing only so it can be crushed.
05:53:53 syv: Which makes it kinda funny that he likes WH40K, but I digress.
05:54:38 syv: Anyway. I think he might actually really like Refine, depending on how you run it. You might send him the OP stuff once you're done with it, see if he has an interest?
05:54:52 syv: He's usually pretty good about actually seeig and answering PMs.
05:55:37 ER: Well, refine is dark, where as ocean and denature. Are bright. Because those are set in a world that will last for a very, very, very, very long time still.
05:56:13 ER: Still, refine may be what nik's looking for, as you can't have a light in darkness in a setting that's all light
05:58:21 ER: refine has a surprisingly wide set of inspirations considering that the setting is supposed to be a strange PM3 fanfic, and dark souls is in there.
05:58:36 ER: "fire will fade" and all that
06:01:47 ER: though maybe my distinction between light settings and dark settings is kinda more literal than metaphysical, because it's just about which shade fills the negative area when I picture it in my head?
06:02:57 ER: It Resonates is certainly a light setting. My internal asethetic for it was something like the game OFF, which is a game where most backgrounds are solid white, and the story themes are dark as hell.
06:05:16 syv: Poor Poignant. My only Hellion died, at level 6 too. :(
06:05:32 Devastator: You were right,
syv, it was clearly survivor rust.
06:05:47 Devastator: Had a very classic game for me, get to the final two, lose the ensuing duel.
06:06:20 Devastator: although the last guy did spam gg and the tag thing, whatever that meant.
06:06:35 syv: Well, GG is obvious enough.
06:07:04 Devastator: the tag thing was dogtags.
06:08:19 syv: People just like gambling, I guess.
06:08:46 Devastator: There were like 3000 people playing it.
06:08:53 Devastator: That's not small at all.
06:10:01 ER: I'm seeing like rivers and shit?
06:10:18 Devastator: There's a pile of new weapons, too.
06:12:20 ER: guess I'll boot it up for a try or two
06:17:40 ER: rank 4 on solo vs squads, first try, 6 kills
06:18:10 syv: You two should Duo, clearly.
06:18:35 ER: I did find an 8x and spaz quite early
06:19:17 ER: went down when I faced a coordinated duo... then ran away and ran into another coordinated duo.
06:19:49 ER: had plenty of boost, but they just whittled me down, and the red penned me in
06:26:34 ER: ah, so THOSE things explode when you punch them
06:28:27 Devastator: down with two to go.
06:28:41 Devastator: killed by the last pair, 11 kills 1300 damage.
06:29:31 ER: yeah, so I found a neat little underground base, found a pair of rare weapons, then punched a metal box until it exploded in my face
06:29:57 Devastator: did it start smoking?
06:30:03 Devastator: anything that smokes blows up.
06:31:57 ER: I'm not gonna stop punching something to check if a little smoke is seeping out~
06:47:33 Devastator: Oh, and dogtag guy might have been excited since I punched him in the snoot in the middle of our combat with a knife, but he pulled out a hook so I had to try to gun him down.
06:50:07 syv: Odd that in this game where the final two typically have automatic weapons, you can still end up punching in the end.
06:50:12 Devastator: there are knives in the game, now.
06:50:44 Devastator: That's what was odd about it. I had a M39 EMR and a mac-10, but we were both reloading and he took a lot of bullets, so I thought I might be able to finish him off with a couple of quick punches.
06:51:01 ER: *flashback to the final fight of MGS4*
06:51:06 Devastator: got one in, but I was pretty low too and a hook is really good, so I had to back off.
06:52:04 ER: let's have a fist fight for no reason because that's more dramatic than just shooting at each other!
06:53:00 syv: So,
Dev, why didn't you just shoot dogtags guy?
06:54:54 Devastator: I was reloading my mac-10.
06:55:03 Devastator: and I was right up close, because that's a very short-ranged weapon.
08:54:17 ER: other than that, how are we?
08:56:06 ER: reading through those affliction barks made me think about sophia a few times, who SOMEHOW remains the character I empathise the most with.
08:57:17 ER: Like, I won't even say she's the deepest character I've made, but she's the one that makes me think the deepest, despite barely playing as her.
08:59:42 Devastator: Does that say something about Sophie, Syvarris, or your other characters?
09:02:52 syv:
ER put her into just about as horrible a position as she could possibly be in.
09:03:27 syv: His other characters vary, but tend to be in relatively normal situations, so it's not them, and I haven't really touvhed the char, so not me.
09:03:48 Devastator: Well, there's ninja-napped painter guy.
09:06:05 ER: ...Yes, so I suppose it's a conseqence of the fact that I just threw her the worst life that I could devise.
09:07:58 Devastator: I'm suprised that doesn't make her easier to write for you,
syv.
09:09:46 ER: less to do with the character, or
syv's setting, or my other characters. On the level of personality she's the same as my other more serious characters, but the fact that the situation being so terrible makes me think is something about me. It feels oddly personal.
09:41:17 syv: "All stress healing activities are free!"
09:41:42 syv: ...But I only have two two heroes with stress. One has 2, one has 13.
09:42:16 Devastator: TK used to pet cats is free, right?
09:42:42 ER: did you accomplish that with godlike skill and luck, or by stalling out fights and bringing lots of stress healing heros?
09:44:16 ER: *holds up banner* "STOP BEING SO STRESSED, ASSHOLES!"
09:44:52 Devastator: That from the DS mod you've been playing?
09:45:55 syv: I have: 3 Plauge Doctors (two L6), 3 Antiquarians (all L2), 1 hound masters? (L2, named "Cruel"), 5 Vestals (3 L6), 1 Dismas (L5), 6 Bounty Hunters (4 L6), 1
09:46:28 syv: Hellion (L2)... And only 5 crusaders, (2 L6)?
09:46:50 syv: I usually use two per outing, how'd that happen?
09:47:46 syv: Dances around with a shotgun and knife.
09:47:52 ER: he shoot, he stab, but most importantly he reposte for 10000 damage
09:53:07 Devastator: Earthbound the RtD.
09:56:47 syv: I have no idea how you can connect those last two statements,
Dev.
09:58:17 ER: with the right reagents and a proper incantation, you can causally link almost any two statements
10:02:23 syv: That is a very tenuous link,
Dev.
10:03:40 Devastator: What else would you expect from me?
10:36:03 ER: hmm, just thought of an... interesting potential upgrade to the incite power
10:36:57 ER: it's not op if I don't explain exactly what the secret mechanics it affects mean, right
10:38:39 ER: I mean, probably even if I explain exactly what it does, people will manage to only use it for mangling their own souls :v
10:43:29 ER: people will probably jump directly to mangling their souls no matter what I run
10:43:49 Devastator: Or you could say it and see if I figure it out.
10:45:28 ER: ah, it's pretty okay to give the quick version
10:46:18 ER: basically letting Incite permanantly mess with people's soul tendancy, which yes is a term I stole from demon's souls
10:47:17 ER: soul tendancy being a set of hidden levels in all the same things as your normal stats: fury, defiance etc.
10:47:47 ER: generally similar to what your stats in those things is, but not always exactly.
10:52:47 ER: which is code for "I may have forgotten, but I'm sure there's a reason why this mechanic exists and I'll remember eventually"
10:54:05 ER: Having a high level of soul tendancy determines which "class" powers you get
10:55:32 ER: and having low soul tendancy in everything will likely make you just fade away.
10:56:22 syv: People don't choose their own class and levels?
10:57:32 ER: Well, you get to choose your stats to begin with, and your stats and soul will likely start out the same.
11:23:34 Devastator: Hmph, that's a question.
11:24:07 Devastator: What do you do with an irreplaceable top quality whole chicken by a now-shuttered chicken farm?
11:24:08 ER: I remembered the MAIN thing that soul tendancy did
11:26:38 Devastator: I have one left that I'd forgotten about.
11:26:44 Devastator: and they're wonderful.
11:27:48 ER: toss it onto a camp fire, probably
11:28:05 Devastator: That'd be a horrible waste. Something this good needs a real oven.
11:28:48 Devastator: I have a good recipie, but it works better with smaller chickens and it's for feeding a bunch of people.. you get three or four of them.
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11:33:40 ER: Uh, I dunno. Unfortunately don't know much about cutting up meat for cooking
11:39:07 ER: get the good parts and deep fry em, I suppose
11:58:29 Devastator: I'm not from the american south. I don't have a personal deep fryer.
11:58:39 Devastator: Although that's not a bad idea.
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23:50:29 ER: looks like it's reached the bit where it gets a little weird
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