01:17:53 ER: What am I actually supposed to do with "make the water sentient" without any farther explaination?
01:18:23 ER: That could go a wide variety of different ways depending on how you want to accomplish it.
01:19:31 Devastator: Yeah, I don't have anything either.
01:19:36 Devastator: unless it's frozen.
01:21:19 ER: Guess I'll just make it a water elemental. It's not too OP to let such a thing operate without some source of food, because it's expencive to make and doesn't reproduce itself. Basically like making an avatar with more self-control.
01:22:19 Devastator: ok, that makes sense.
02:44:41 ER: ahh, you know your game is about Essence management when the word Essence shows up 30 times in a single turn
03:12:13 ER: hehe, put a discord link in thread, and it only takes a few minutes for three people to show up
03:12:28 ER: people sure do like that discord
03:17:06 Devastator: They have no choice.
03:17:20 Devastator: As discord is their only option, that's where they'll show up.
03:17:36 ER: if they don't join new discords, they'll run out of Essence and die.
03:26:03 Devastator: Anyway, I guess this will be the last I see of you, then.
03:26:33 ER: you will never not be seeing me
03:33:01 Devastator: won a few survivor games.
03:48:06 Devastator: Hmph, that one was easy. Some dude was trying to save ammo in a police station where the entire building was filled with ammo pickups.
03:48:17 Devastator: dude shoulda just kept shooting.
03:54:19 Devastator: And someone else passed up on a warehouse with two pills in it because an early red zone was blocking it.
03:57:08 Devastator: take the damage, eat the pills, kill some fool.
04:07:31 Devastator: Kitty finally figured out something.
04:09:28 Devastator: Yeah. About freaking time.
04:10:37 ER: ahh, good feels when your players are catching up with the information included in the OP~
04:11:28 Devastator: It might mean longer before there's enough deaths to begin.
04:12:01 ER: Tric unfortunately didn't leave a corpse, but others will
04:13:39 Devastator: Hmm. So would radioactive substances count as exotic materials? As far as the universe is concerned, there's nothing particularly special about them.
04:15:14 ER: No more so than other complex substances.
04:15:32 ER: Water costs a bit more than hydrogen, for example.
04:16:17 ER: probably should have charged more than 6 for that plastic sphere, given it has electronics and shit, but eh.
04:16:22 Devastator: Yeah, I'll need a mixture with some radioactives and some not radioactives, in any case.
04:16:30 Devastator: still, it won't be that bad.
05:01:46 Devastator: Hmm, that seems like a bit of an ambitious order there.
05:03:19 ER: being unambitious is how you get large vacuums filled with hydrogen!
05:03:25 Devastator: Yeah, but pulling in ALL the bodies sounds like a bit much.
05:03:54 Devastator: Heh. Continent sized blocks of radioactive metal should be ambitious enough.
05:04:34 Devastator: Actually, I'm likely to make things that aren't spherical, so the generated heat is more easily controllable.
05:06:00 Devastator: I can make gravity a non-universal force, right?
05:06:24 ER: You can tinker with that stuff.
05:09:55 Devastator: Can I take a stipulation that my orders must always be presented in rhyme?
05:11:32 ER: that's a bit to meta level, and probably makes it harder to figure out what you're doing.
05:12:32 Devastator: How about a stipulation that everything must be ugly?
05:13:20 ER: so, everything in the universe must be ugly at all times or else you take damage?~
05:14:06 Devastator: Nah, everything I make must be ugly, and I can never act to make something ugly not-ugly.
05:14:46 ER: Well, uglieness is a bit subjective.
05:15:14 Devastator: Maybe one saying that I can only create solids.
05:16:10 ER: so, no cytoplasm inside your single-celled creations? ;p
05:16:43 Devastator: Nah, I'd just make the water first, and let it melt from the radiation. I'd then surround the water with the various solids that do the work.
05:17:15 ER: guess it works, kinda maybe.
05:17:42 Devastator: Yeah, might not choose that.
05:17:54 Devastator: It'd be too close to not meaning much.
05:19:08 ER: Could go for can only create solids, and can't directly change something's phase
05:19:58 Devastator: Nah, I was thinking of taking one that required me to smite my creations regularly, and no changes of phase means I can't use lightning.
05:20:06 Devastator: And what's the point of smiting things as a god if you can't use lightning?
05:22:21 Devastator: How about 'If living creatures I created exist, I must spend one essence smiting some number of them each turn?'
05:23:21 Devastator: I suppose I might just say 'I must kill some of them each turn.'
05:23:21 ER: I mean, I usually don't care for any "ifs", but that sounds pretty solid.
05:23:38 Devastator: because it would let me stomp them, or hurl rocks at them or such.
05:24:17 ER: throw your godly poop at them
05:25:14 Devastator: given I'm talking about unicellular organisms, fire or lightning would be the best bets.
05:31:56 Devastator: alternatively I could ditch the one-celled radiation eaters thing and go with something else..
05:33:14 Devastator: I don't know, the rad eaters will be weird, but distinctive.
05:33:51 ER: Make a breed of voracous god-eaters
05:34:16 Devastator: I don't see why the two can't be compatable.
05:34:29 Devastator: 'creations' of other gods doesn't mean the gods themselves.
05:35:42 Devastator: plus it's indirect if my microbes are murdering everything else that lives, because they're more robust due to the harsh living environment.
05:39:18 ER: "Lives in a harsh enviroment, so it's stronger outside that enviroment" sounds equivalent to "less recoil because we make the stock lighter"
05:40:02 ER: like, I don't know shit about it so that sounds about right, sure. And then it's the opposite of that.
05:41:24 Devastator: It's mostly because the population of those microbes will be held in check by stuff like viruses and lots of deaths from the radiation. Stop killing them, slap on a modification so that the attack group can eat whatever the target has to offer, and off to the races.
05:42:45 Devastator: You aren't wrong, though, a lot of things that have to survive harsh conditions do worse under generous conditions, because they have to spend a lot more effort on remaining alive, while the others can just do stuff with the extra time and effort.
05:43:36 Devastator: However, the main advantage is that the more generous ones breed better. But since I"ll have the advantage of breeding rates for bacteria and microbes, well..
05:44:14 Devastator: basically, the best way for them to beat the invaders is to have a rich microbal environment already in place, in which case the invaders will do about nothing.
05:44:28 Devastator: I highly, highly doubt anyone will do something like that, though.
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05:48:18 syv: Reading the logs, I get the feeling that
Dev's designing stuff to counter problems that only he would give himself.
05:48:30 syv: *only she would give herself
05:49:21 Devastator: Nah, but you know me and PvP. I'm always going to think that way even if it's unnecessary.
05:49:35 Devastator: Even if none of it is going to happen, it should be fun to do in any case.
05:51:11 syv: I thought Death Plane was not PvP?
05:52:09 Devastator: Although Kittytac just asked
NJW to kill himself last turn.
05:53:01 syv: Yeah, it's definitely a cooperative game if people are telling others to KYS.
05:53:12 ER: I do have rules for godly combat.
06:00:36 ER: they're simple rules, and involve instant death
06:02:40 Devastator: Was going to make a warhammer joke, because Instant Death is a thing there, but nobody would call those rules simple.
06:02:54 ER: deal damage equal to your vitality + your essence, take damage in turn, reducing the damage you take to vitality by your essence total
06:03:23 ER: one with bigger numbers wins, one with smaller numbers dies
06:06:09 syv: What if I'm really clever about my killing of another god?
06:06:24 syv: Can I eat another god and actually gain anything from it?
06:06:40 Devastator: You planning on having your catgirls armed with wicked space lazors to help you fight the other god?
06:06:53 syv: Can I blackmail gods into giving me essence in return for not killing them with my big numbers?
06:07:30 syv: You think I would use catgirls OR lasers? Maybe cats, some of which would be female, but none of them would be abthropomorphic.
06:07:48 syv: And lasers are boring, ballistics all the way.
06:08:33 Devastator:
syv might make cargirls, I don't know.
06:08:35 syv: ...If I could create my own materials and universal laws, I could create some really awesome guns through Tinker.
06:08:51 Devastator: I think you could both do that, but your laws might not function on someone else's turf.
06:08:52 syv: Cargirls are even less likely, actually.
06:09:15 syv: I was getting interested in the game for a minute there, and then my interest plummeted.
06:10:06 Devastator: Hey, it just means you need to carry your rules around in a bubble around your dudes.
06:10:17 Devastator: Just make a magic item for that, and then you get to use your wicked awesome guns.
06:10:46 ER: bullshit doods: are bullshit using bullshit physics, project a bubble of bullshit physics around themselves at all times.
06:11:38 syv: I would totally join Death Plane if I could spend most of my time tinkering up alien materials and universal laws which let me make ungodly powerful guns.
06:12:10 ER: You'd need to do something to not die in 8 turns
06:12:10 Devastator: Just gotta survive the initial void first to get sufficient worshippers.
06:12:13 syv: And they'd be wielded by spiders. Or, no, amblypygids, because they're awesome and almost have hands already.
06:13:18 ER: ... or join after someone else has made doods, and grant said doods guns
06:13:32 syv: Nah, guns need to be wielded by tacticool operators to reach maximum awesome.
06:13:51 syv: ...Though maybe converting other players' critters into my own loyal army would work.
06:14:20 syv: Though that means I *won't* get to make amblypygid operators, which I now really want to do.
06:14:33 Devastator: You can tweak other's creations, if you don't want to make your own.
06:16:08 syv: I kinda doubt anyone will even make an arthropod, let alone a specific order which hardly anyone even knows exists.
06:17:12 Devastator: No, you can make the creations of others into amblypygids.
06:18:31 Devastator: Just need to murder some more guys.
06:18:37 ER: though number 1 hasn't responded yet.
06:18:48 syv: Also, again, can gods exchange essence as a curren--wuh huh? Nevermind, that's a *taaad* long.
06:19:06 ER: poor tric is never getting back in, being 1b >.>
06:20:00 Devastator: I'd put them back in after five others have shown up.
06:21:38 ER: yeah, five, including one who should be about to get in, plus tric at 1b, who gets in once everyone else has one death too :v
06:45:41 ER: guess
syv needs to wait for refine to get into one of my games, if a five-long waitlist scares him~
07:03:37 syv: Hey
ER have you made any progress on SC?
07:04:55 syv: After you beat O&S, make sure to carefully plot your plan for which bosses to face in what order.
07:19:56 ER: I... read that as asking me if I'd made progress with refine.
07:20:06 ER: doesn't matter, I haven't done either
07:20:48 syv: Also aww. But I want to see both finished.
07:21:01 syv: Refine a bit more, really. Make that a priority if possible.
07:21:16 syv: I'll also finish Sophia up if you finish Refine's OP.
07:21:47 syv: ...So it prolly won't happen. Oh well. Time works too.
07:22:37 ER: time keeps on ticking, ticking, ticking, into the future
07:23:48 syv: That's the next song in the Labyrinth.
07:24:21 syv: As in it was going to switch THIS turn.
07:25:36 ER: I don't see the paths, I just follow the right one
07:27:46 syv: "Shoe the children / with no shoes on their feet"
07:28:00 syv: Nice that this witch only plays instrumentals, the lyrics suck.
07:51:05 ER: how does writing refine work?
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08:03:03 syv: No, no, Kara WANTS that, she isn
08:04:39 parisbre56: French penis? it's more likely than you think
08:05:59 parisbre56: also, it was worth making that innuendo about having sex with moths just to see everyone in the discord freak out.
08:07:38 parisbre56: so are you still working on Refine
ER?
08:08:20 Devastator: Could be worse,
paris. I'm the one actually playing a succubus. ;-p
08:08:25 ER: it's still one of several tabs open in my notepad++ ;p
08:08:54 ER: refine, voice, you always die, denature, death plane
08:09:26 ER: injury was on there too, but I'm not extremely interested in it...
08:10:00 syv: But yeah, Refine is better. As is Denature.
08:10:14 syv: Not really sure what Voice and YAD are.
08:10:49 ER: you always die is minimalist rtd where everyone always dies at the end of the turn :P
08:11:26 Devastator: Probably only last a week, but should be fun.
08:11:29 ER: Voice is my very own somewhat poorly defined perplexicon clone
08:12:09 parisbre56: that sounds interesting
08:12:31 ER: I also have newtonian slots in my folder, which is very old. To the point that I've forgotten what the stuff in that file actually means :v
08:12:40 syv: Run an IRC test for Voice sometime.
08:12:50 parisbre56: can you fus-roh-dah?
08:12:54 ER: and Elserpunk, which is cyberpunk + eldritch entities
08:13:21 Devastator: Who was it who wrecked everything?
08:14:01 syv: Zzers Anth... Aels? No, Aels was Wings. I forget Air. And Force, which I really should recall.
08:15:18 ER: voice takes up three txt files and is still hilariously unfinished, and I don't really feel like poking it again
08:17:27 ER: at some point I was using google docs for this and not notepad++, so some of the shit if over that way
08:17:57 ER: including some very silly rolling systems, and my metal gear game...
08:18:34 ER: I'm not sure if Ocean is even written down properly anywhere, it's more like a thing that lives on in my heart, and consantly evolves~
08:19:29 parisbre56: make metal gear game where every action has to be a metal gear meme
08:20:08 parisbre56: it's already active!
08:22:37 Devastator: ahh, chicken dinnered against a last guy who had the .556 machine gun.
08:22:59 Devastator: Just kept making him retreat and nicking off damage until he decided to charge.
08:24:10 Devastator: .556 MG, full armour, but I had an AK with unlimited ammo, so I just kept shooting.
08:25:04 Devastator: I had a big backpack and full ammo, and I was pushing him over corpses, so kept picking up more.
08:25:08 Devastator: it was basically unlimited.
08:29:21 syv: Why were you able to continually chip at him without being chipped yourself?
08:29:42 Devastator: I had an 8x scope and he kept running into other people.
08:29:52 Devastator: plus I was fully boosted, so I didn't mind a few chips.
08:30:02 Devastator: Hey, he had one too.
08:30:18 syv: ...Why did he have to retreat?
08:30:37 Devastator: Because I got the drop on him initially and dealt some damage, but just kept pushing when he was trying to heal.
08:30:49 Devastator: and then he would run into someone else, murder them, and I'd be there attacking again.
08:30:49 syv: Also, if he was the last guy, why'd he running into people? Was he killing them off, and was the last alive?
08:31:02 Devastator: He was the last guy, but I started following him when there were like 5 or 6 left.
08:31:24 syv: So you were just playing guerilla, and got lucky with him just retreating and clearing for you rather than fighting you.
08:32:06 Devastator: sorta? If he'd charged I think I might have had an okay chance, because at the end he did charge and lost the straight-up fight.
08:32:26 Devastator: And it wasn't really guerilla, I just kept pushing forward, terminator style.
08:32:49 Devastator: the only guerilla part was the first attack, which I did from out of the red.
08:35:07 Devastator: I didn't have anyone behind me because I was way out in the red for most of the game, including dueling a guy way out there.
08:35:29 Devastator: wasn't too much of a duel, though, he missed with his shotgun and I got him with a mac-10.
08:36:32 syv: Does the red not do much damage?
08:37:19 Devastator: Not early on. It does more every time the circle shrinks.
08:37:33 Devastator: plus I had 3 medkits and there was a ton of loot out there.
08:38:10 Devastator: It was one of those games where a good chunk of the map gets red the first time it shrinks. When that happens there's often a bunch of loot missed because people avoid it, and it does very little damage at first.
08:39:02 Devastator: I only had 4 kills that game. 2 at the start, one in the red, and the last guy, although I did some damage to other people at the end to keep them away from me. Ended up doing something like 750.
08:40:21 ER: there, i wrote refine things
08:41:15 ER: I was going to link the whole hunter's handbook in the OP, and the hunter's handbook is currently empty
08:42:26 syv: Well then, keep working. Maybe you can finish within a couple days, and Sophia can be done before the next weekend.
08:45:06 ER: ...Maybe I should put death plane aside for the weekend and work on this instead
08:47:51 ER: you want me to finish it, right?
08:48:34 syv: Don't make another project suffer for that, though.
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08:49:40 syv: A game you're not running shouldn't take precedence over a game that you ARE.
08:49:40 ER: It's actually HELPING my scedule, by giving me time off it and a time to start again
08:50:22 ER: Not nessesarally, because the game I'm not running is definately a bunch better than the one I am. :P
08:53:42 ER: deadlines help, but honestly the biggest help is not giving a big worry about quality.
08:54:28 ER: Largely just tossing in random ideas that pop into my head and not worrying about them being too internally consistant.
08:55:00 ER: Basically considering it semi-minimalist.
08:55:20 ER: Couldn't pull that off with P&P, stakes too damn high...
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09:21:20 syv:
ER, finish Refine, and don't let DP die.
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09:21:39 ER: all things die some day, though~
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21:44:00 ER: hey
dev, how would to compare
ER to a champaign of Black Crusade? Basically the same thing right?
21:46:14 Devastator: Nah, a black crusade is overt while
ER was covert.
21:47:27 Devastator: Also, a black crusade has destruction as an inherant goal, instead of a happy accident.
22:26:32 Devastator: Oh,
ER, in Cabal I'm going to be conducting surgery with a 1d4 Int skill.
22:32:09 Devastator: Yup. Should be interesting.
23:40:08 Devastator: at least it's 1d4+1, but still.
23:40:13 Devastator: oh well, maybe it'll work.
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