ERLOG 2018-09-04

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01:50:40 Devastator: "Hobgoblins of Joy."
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02:56:20 Devastator: hoya, MJ.
02:56:22 Devastator: "Hobgoblins of Joy."
02:58:45 midnightjaguar: Oh?
02:59:02 midnightjaguar: Whatre those?
03:00:33 Devastator: Just a quote from Star Control II>
03:00:44 Devastator: ER, sadly, isn't around to react to that.
03:00:53 midnightjaguar: That’s a shame
03:01:11 ER: I am here
03:01:42 ER: I just... have nothing to do with a random "hobgoblins of joy" in quotation marks.
03:02:13 Devastator: well, you keep calling me a goblin.
03:03:32 Devastator: and whatever that means, it clearly isn't compatable wtih being joyful.
03:03:56 ER: nah, fucking goblins have fun
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03:07:31 Devastator: I was going to change my dridergame vote, but you changed first.
03:14:08 Devastator: also found the most boring video on youtube.
03:14:20 Devastator: http://youtu.be/tH6GEJH3Ro8
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03:42:17 Devastator: heya MJ.
03:44:00 midnightjaguar: Hiya dev
03:44:23 Devastator: gotta remember to post in cult.
03:44:34 midnightjaguar: How is Cult?
03:44:53 Devastator: I'm not super interested, but I think it'll get better when the temple people come back and we can go set things up.
03:45:23 midnightjaguar: Cool
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03:50:45 midnightjaguar: Sorry for bouncing so much
03:51:24 Devastator: no worries.
04:00:59 midnightjaguar: So how you been?
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04:13:44 Devastator: aww
04:13:49 Devastator: the tank turned turtle.
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04:15:07 Devastator: aww
04:15:09 Devastator: the tank turned turtle.
04:15:13 Devastator: Things are going okay, MJ.
04:15:44 midnightjaguar: Cool
04:16:59 Devastator: Heh, 888th is a little too similar to ER just now. ;-p
04:17:09 midnightjaguar: Oh?
04:17:31 Devastator: minimal consequences failure. ;-p
04:17:40 midnightjaguar: I see
04:19:57 Devastator: well, big consequences in that the PCs don't have a tank, but I don't think they'd have gotten to keep it in any case. ;-p
04:20:33 Devastator: syv is also trying to steal a tank in Coven, which is starting to make a theme.
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04:30:41 syv: Cluck.
04:31:10 ER: boop
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04:31:41 syv: So I turned bandages back on in MvW, but also multiplied the enemy count by 10.
04:31:47 midnightjaguar: Alli
04:31:51 midnightjaguar: ^allo
04:32:22 midnightjaguar: And wow, I’m bouncy tonight
04:32:51 syv: It took me a lot of tries, but I evntually managed to clear up to the base, before dying to a javelin missile which I fired into a crate at point-blank. 344 kills.
04:33:20 Devastator: Heh.
04:33:26 midnightjaguar: Neat
04:33:27 Devastator: How's tank stealing, syv?
04:33:46 Devastator: Ben would be really handy if he's alive for the main battle. Do you want me to try and talk him out of it IC?
04:33:50 syv: 888th? We're currently trying to get a tank through a hole that is smaller than it.
04:34:09 syv: Ben's not stealing a tank in Coven. He's far, far more cautious than Simon.
04:34:10 midnightjaguar: That sounds either impossible or really easily solvable :P
04:34:15 syv: He's *asking* for a tank.
04:34:15 midnightjaguar: Depends on the hole I suppose
04:34:25 midnightjaguar: And what’s around the hole
04:34:40 syv: Solid rock wall/
04:34:56 midnightjaguar: Ah
04:35:00 midnightjaguar: How thick?
04:35:14 syv: It's a carved stone archway, leading into a tunnel which *is* wide enough for the tank, but is of indeterminate thickness.
04:35:16 ER: thick as the earth
04:35:28 ER: we're underground
04:35:47 syv: Current plan is to get the tank diagonal, fallback plan is to shoot the archway until it's either wide enough or the cave collapses.
04:35:52 ER: don't ask why we took a tank underground, I'm the one who did it and I'm not really sure.
04:36:05 midnightjaguar: Just ram it :P
04:36:08 syv: Alice was just listening to Simon's orders~
04:36:09 Devastator: ok.
04:36:14 syv: We already tried that, MJ.
04:36:15 ER: I rolled a 1 and the tank is upside down
04:36:21 midnightjaguar: Ah
04:36:25 Devastator: At least you're unlikely to make the situation worse.
04:36:31 syv: It updated today>
04:36:31 midnightjaguar: That sounds problematic
04:36:34 syv: ?!
04:36:41 ER: yeah, seems so
04:37:13 syv: "Well luckily everyone says to stay away from you right now so You can't run over anyone else."
04:37:20 syv: When has that stopped us before...?
04:37:34 midnightjaguar: It sounds like 888th might be a fun game
04:37:42 Devastator: Too many players for my taste.
04:38:20 syv: Maybe if we rotate the turret, we can push it back up onto its treads?
04:38:38 midnightjaguar: What kinda tank is it?
04:38:44 Devastator: Not sure.
04:39:21 syv: Panzer IV.
04:39:53 syv: I mean, the turret shouldn't be strong enough... but I don't think it should be able to flip itself, either.
04:40:18 midnightjaguar: How did you flip a tank anyway?
04:40:36 Devastator: the magic of the one pip side.
04:41:14 midnightjaguar: Like it’s doable, but hard.
04:41:25 syv: Driving it up the wall, which *I guess* might work. If the wall were curved, which admittely makes sense underground.
04:42:17 midnightjaguar: Hmm. I’d be surprised if a tanks turret would be capable of flipping itself. I’ve never heard of such a thing.
04:42:38 Devastator: PW might not know, though.
04:42:43 syv: Yup. But it's a Piecewise game.
04:42:52 syv: Even if he does know, it might work.
04:43:17 midnightjaguar: IIRC it’s more likely to get stuck then flipped.
04:43:30 Devastator: It's already stuck, so not much loss.
04:43:43 Devastator: plus you guys may have found the most entertaining way to seal up someone's bunker.
04:46:46 syv: Flip a tank into it?
04:47:34 midnightjaguar: Yes
04:48:18 Devastator: Yes.
04:50:03 midnightjaguar: Do you have a flamethrower attachment on the tank?
04:50:34 syv: No. We've got two large machine guns.
04:50:44 midnightjaguar: Awww
04:51:30 midnightjaguar: You could totally burn everything and then block the exits
04:52:38 midnightjaguar: So wait what is the tanks armamanet!
04:52:42 midnightjaguar: ^
04:52:45 midnightjaguar: ^?
04:53:03 syv: Two MGs, one hull mounted, on turret. Then the main gun. It's a Panzer IV.
04:53:30 syv: They're 7.92 caliber MGs, I believe, and a 108mm cannon? I forget, Wikipedia has it.
04:53:47 midnightjaguar: There’s an anti infantry model IIRC Which was why I asked.
04:54:43 syv: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_IV
04:55:03 syv: 7.5 cm cannon.
04:55:10 syv: Nah, we've got the boring base model.
04:55:27 Devastator: So it is ia PzIV, then?
04:56:28 midnightjaguar: Cool
04:57:39 syv: ...Okay, Piecewise said it's a "Panzer IV", and the hull-mounted gun is an MG. He didn't dispute when I assumed the turret-mounted secondary was an MG, and we've used the cannon. This is all the information I really have; I have no idea about special fancy alternate models.
04:57:58 midnightjaguar: So it sounds about standard. Neat
04:58:17 midnightjaguar: And yeah, your probably gonna need something else to flip your tank back over
04:58:45 syv: We're kinda in an empty cave deep undeground, so.
04:58:50 midnightjaguar: ....or just blow it up to fuck with anyone in the bunker.
04:59:07 syv: Hell no, it's Simon's beloved!
04:59:29 midnightjaguar: Heh
04:59:35 ER: eh, could steal a forklift from above?
04:59:42 syv: He killed five men with A KNIFE to get this tank, it's not gonna be left behind just because Alice is incompetent!
04:59:47 ER: There's a lift, after all
04:59:49 syv: I think "above" is a crater.
04:59:50 Devastator: A forklift can't lift a tank.
05:00:06 ER: a big forklift
05:00:08 syv: Piecewise almost certainly doesn't know that.
05:00:12 midnightjaguar: You might be able to engineer something?
05:01:40 ER: I'd be able to engineer something if this were Dig, because moths are OP. :/
05:02:19 ER: As it is I'm starting to suspect that this is not a WWII tank's natural habitat.
05:02:59 Devastator: There are very few tanks designed to operate inside of bunkers.
05:03:13 ER: But then I really don't care about 888 very deeply
05:03:24 midnightjaguar: I can’t think of any that were dev
05:03:27 ER: roll system makes it very hard to take it seriously.
05:03:54 ER: battlesuit. ;P
05:04:43 ER: that's basically what you'd want a bipedal armored vehicle for, I think. Putting armor where armor is not supposed to go.
05:04:53 ER: AKA beinging a gun to a knife fight
05:05:50 Devastator: You want briefcase tank for that, ER.
05:06:04 ER: eh
05:06:29 midnightjaguar: I think everyone wants a briefcase tank dev
05:06:41 ER: This notion may also be why I like the idea of a single shot anti-armor pistol.
05:06:43 Devastator: Yes.
05:07:25 ER: When it comes down to it there's things I'd rather imporobably stuff into a briefcase than a tank.
05:09:15 ER: How often will you enter a situation where the desination calls for a tank, but you'll have time to set it up, and you won't be able to just drive the tank there?
05:09:40 Devastator: IT KEEPS HAPPENING!
05:10:25 ER: that means you need to be passing through a tight space, then enter a wider space, then not get shot at while you set up, then getting into a fight.
05:10:45 Devastator: I'd say that doesn't happen, but this is the third time now.
05:13:38 midnightjaguar: Depends on how long it takes to deploy ER.
05:20:39 syv: This deaf kitten is TOO DAMN ADORABLE.
05:21:10 syv: It is dumber than a brick, but I struggle to think of a kitten I've ever held as adorable as it.
05:21:30 Devastator: is it Kevin again?
05:21:37 midnightjaguar: Sounds like my dog.
05:22:38 syv: Kevin is an adult and has all five senses, even if he's bad at using them.
05:22:47 syv: This is Leppard.
05:24:27 Devastator: Do you have any smart cats?
05:24:45 syv: Yes. Malakai leaps to mind.
05:25:23 syv: Casey, Kevin's brother, also isn't very dumb, but then again he's not really smart. Very very good at using his cuteness to his advantage, but beyond that no great talents.
05:33:10 Devastator: Are there any cats bad at that?
05:33:26 syv: Oh, yes.
05:34:18 syv: B.A. (Bad Attitude), a black stumpy Manx who won't let anyone get within five feet of him. Growls and hisses and screams if you corner him, but has never bit me.
05:34:50 Devastator: does he pity the fool?
05:35:29 syv: Heh. Yes. Also hates planes, and quadcopters.
05:36:10 syv: I've locked him alone in a bathroom for a day several times before, and like basically all cats he comes out of that purring for affection, but it wears off quickly. He just hates people, and I'm not sure why. The rest of his litter is nice, and he didn't get much less affection.
05:37:11 Devastator: Hmm, had to do that with Thomas, but he was someone's stray in the first place. Showed up as a tiny kitten.
05:38:56 syv: Thomas~? Nehehe.
05:39:09 syv: Tell me mor of this cat, please.
05:39:31 Devastator: Well, he's dead now. Was very unfriendly.
05:39:44 Devastator: Liked me well enough, but nobody else in the family.
05:40:08 Devastator: Was always scared to eat without someone watching his back.
05:40:36 syv: That sounds odd. Usually bad cats are afraid to eat if they're *watched*.
05:40:45 syv: How young did you get him?
05:40:46 midnightjaguar: Nah he’s just paranoid
05:40:47 Devastator: eventually mellowed out when he got old.
05:41:00 Devastator: Very young, couple months. We didn't get him, he just showed up.
05:41:15 syv: At two months? Huh.
05:41:48 syv: Implies worrying things about his history.
05:41:55 syv: Poor kitty. :(
05:42:01 Devastator: Yeah, was abandoned.
05:42:05 midnightjaguar: Aww
05:43:57 syv: What color was he? Deep gray?
05:44:18 Devastator: Tuxedo.
05:44:31 Devastator: about 50-50, very similar to the other cat we had at that time.
05:45:05 Devastator: although that cat got very fat, was absolutely silent, and an absurdly good mouser for something that couldn't move much.
05:46:02 syv: If there's enough mice, a cat can be a good mouser just by sitting where mice like to travel.
05:46:27 Devastator: Thomas was always skinny and hunted by running stuff down.
05:46:28 syv: It can be effective to just stand in front of a mousehole and wait. Mice are stupid.
05:46:52 syv: Well, maybe there was a reason he was skinnier than the immobile one~
05:46:52 Devastator: That's presumably how he did it. I used to catch the fat one playing with mice, but I never saw him actually nab one.
05:47:03 Devastator: Huge cat, though.
05:47:09 Devastator: like 25 pounds.
05:47:49 syv: Damn, yeah. Kevin's about that, but he's a 'Coon, and built.
05:48:10 syv: Imagine that was one of the cats that can just suck its limbs back inside?
05:48:21 midnightjaguar: ?
05:48:47 syv: Really fat cats can basically just hide their limbs inside their fat while laying down.
05:48:57 midnightjaguar: Hah
05:50:09 Devastator: The other one was always a bit skinny and normal sized.
05:50:15 Devastator: Thomas, that was.
05:54:55 midnightjaguar: Neat.
05:55:23 midnightjaguar: So were both tuxedo? Or just Thomas
05:55:41 Devastator: Yes.
05:56:05 Devastator: "What do you get when you combine a high-yield deuterium laser with a primitive human leader from the steppe?
05:56:07 Devastator: "
05:56:31 midnightjaguar: Dust?
05:56:38 Devastator: Khan Fusion
05:57:38 midnightjaguar: Heheheh
05:58:02 syv shoots Dev a dirty look.
05:59:04 midnightjaguar: Well knight gents.
05:59:23 midnightjaguar: Or night I supoose
05:59:50 syv: Night!1
05:59:52 midnightjaguar: Really I think I could make both work as a farewell given enough time
05:59:53 syv: Hah!
05:59:59 syv: I got it in time for once!
06:00:27 midnightjaguar: Heh
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06:02:03 ER: boop
06:02:03 syv: "What is a character? A filthy little pile of anime tropes!"
06:02:11 syv: ER pls trope Pumsy
06:02:25 ER: what did you talk about while I was cleaning?
06:02:33 syv: cats
06:02:42 ER: neat
06:03:08 syv: ...Literally just cats, appaently.
06:03:14 ER: I figured out how to scope creep Refine a bit, so that's nice
06:03:22 syv: Scope creep?
06:03:35 syv: "Escape"?
06:04:23 ER: writing a full in-universe hunter's handbook, basically >.>
06:05:14 syv: That sounds awesome.
06:05:29 ER: Put the map and world description and powers in there, cause it's all known in universe. Probably make it a seperate doc and have a nice clean OP, piecewise style.
06:05:50 syv: This sounds doubly awesome.
06:06:09 ER: ...For some reason when my eyes swept over the front part of your comment, I assumed it said "that sounds terrible"
06:06:52 syv: Hah.
06:07:18 Devastator: are there cats in refine?
06:07:31 syv: Mimicing Piecwise is a good plan as long as you don't use his numbers.
06:07:50 ER: yes, use even sillier numbers.
06:08:18 syv: don't use numbers
06:08:28 syv: just play a pure systemless RP
06:08:48 Devastator: ER, syv said I should ask about Sharon.
06:08:48 syv: pretend to use numbers so your players can blame luck, but resolve everything narratively
06:08:52 Devastator: Who is Sharon?
06:09:49 ER: Though Dig's system seems actually decent? Only real issues is maybe that skills are underrepresented and racial stats overrepresented, and the diving system involves a few too many rolls. But it's a reasonable system, with fate d6 still allowing for some fun.
06:09:52 syv: I'm curious where that'll go.
06:10:09 ER: Ah, Sharon.
06:11:03 ER: Well Sharon was Isabella's friend, of course!
06:11:32 Devastator: ..okay?
06:11:37 syv: Dig's system is bad because it doesn't have difficulty degree or modification beyond disadvantage/advantage, and crits are restricted to 10% of the time. It also heavily overrepresents race stats, while heavily restricting character stats (as you said). Finally, it massively screws up leveling, making it luck based, and homogenizing,
06:11:46 Devastator: what happened to Sharon?
06:11:46 ER: She had a gauntlet totem, which could turn into a full suit of armor, thanks to MAGIC.
06:11:50 Devastator: ahh
06:11:52 ER: and L3 powers
06:12:11 ER: Which is totally awesome, and also ineffecient.
06:12:47 Devastator: didn't work well?
06:12:57 ER: Man, but difficulty stuff is hard! D:
06:13:11 ER: I said it was awesome, didn't I?
06:13:51 Devastator: worked well, but either cost too much or didn't provide much benefit.
06:13:52 syv: It worked well, just, summoning a full suit of armor from gauntlets is expensive, even with TM4.
06:13:53 Devastator: but looked awesome.
06:13:59 Devastator: Hmm.
06:14:02 Devastator: Still sounds like fun.
06:15:09 ER: almost makes me regret having a sawn-off totem. ;P
06:15:23 syv: It's still better than most...
06:15:33 ER: Think what silly stuff I could pull off if it were a chain!
06:15:51 Devastator: "I wish I had a suit of magic, bio-metal armour, fitted for myself, that self-repairs in direct, natural, sunlight."
06:15:55 syv: What if it were a chain/shotgun/?
06:16:32 ER: Hmm. Chain attached at the end of the stock. Like Kratos's chaos blades, but a gun.
06:17:07 Devastator: Totem: Fighter-style chainswords.
06:17:19 ER: swordchucks
06:17:36 syv: Dual swordchucks, man!
06:18:05 Devastator: Right, sword-chucks.
06:18:06 Devastator: dammit.
06:18:23 Devastator: although a 40k chainsword would also be a fun totem.
06:19:01 syv: I'd totally allow a swordchucks totem, but I would suggest that the character have cursed innocence and L3 regeneration, because seriously.
06:19:30 syv: They'd be more effective than they had any right to be, buuut... wait. Hmm. Painless synergy.
06:19:45 syv: ...Swordchucks might actually be GOOD for a Brave.
06:20:59 ER: nah, mercy.
06:22:13 syv: Mercies can't continue to wield their swords after chopping their arms off, unless they waste convalesence on it, which... isn't a direct benefit, like painless-berserker-martyr self-harm.
06:24:30 Devastator: What if a character is both a Mercy and Brave?
06:25:13 syv: Then you have one of the strongest class combos.
06:27:03 ER: frikkin multiclassing, how does it work
06:27:20 Devastator: magic?
06:40:04 syv: There is a LOT of commented-out code in RwR's scripting. Also, a fair number of "TODO"s. Which have been there a long time.
06:40:16 Devastator: maagic.
06:40:45 syv: Hah, this one has a block of TODO talking, then just //no one cares.
06:41:20 syv: So many comments, and none of them actually helpful or explanatory.
06:56:54 ER: Mafia is actually fun. Though maybe this one owes that partially to having a lot of actual game mechanics. :P
06:57:58 ER: I'd probably never consider joining one that didn't have a very considerable bastardry componant.
06:58:12 syv: Bleh, Mafia.
06:58:28 syv: That's a game I'd either hate, or get far, far, far too into.
06:59:53 Devastator: so how many headaches have you caused so far?
06:59:57 ER: I am a short attention span call of duty gamer. I like the mafia where things go boom and I have cooldown abilites.
07:00:09 Devastator: Heh.
07:00:10 ER: Exactly five.
07:00:39 ER: Have you been reading? Because headaches is indeed a feature of my role.
07:00:56 Devastator: Not really. I just asked you the other day.
07:01:27 ER: I also have the memory of an ant, I guess.
07:02:07 Devastator: Yes.
07:02:19 Devastator: Since it rained, you forgot everything.
07:03:34 ER: I don't think any of the players in that game are very likely to read the logs of the ER IRC channel and stumble on this information, so I'll say that I'm mafia, and have a nice quicktopic board to talk to my single compatiot in.
07:04:30 ER: I explained my role in the thread, but presented a simplified version. When people get headaches, I gain random oneshot abilities.
07:05:14 ER: which is quite :D
07:06:25 Devastator: I don't think anyone there even knows about this channel.
07:06:36 ER: Yes.
07:06:51 Devastator: It's concievable that nobody there knows what IRC is.
07:07:04 syv: 'Course, one of us could always go spoil your fun~
07:07:05 ER: RTD and Mafia have... not a lot of overlap, turns out
07:14:12 Devastator: "You possess an antimatter bomb. This is good."
07:15:35 syv: Is it, now?
07:15:39 ER: antimatter is best matter don't @ me
07:16:58 Devastator: More Star Control II quotes.
07:33:35 ER: "hmm, I'm procrastinating. I should open notepad and write SOMETHING for refine." Open it up, default document is death plane "oh yeah, that game that I haven't been updating >_>"
07:34:14 ER: at least injury is done with! haha! <_<'
07:34:30 Devastator: Heh.
07:35:42 ER: I don't WANT to start a bunch of games and abandon most of them before they even get interesting, but sometimes it seems like that's the way I'll end up with something that works for me...
07:37:03 Devastator: All your games will be abandoned if you don't update them, ER.
07:37:05 Devastator: That's how it works.
07:39:08 ER: why do I not update them, though? That seems like a thing I would be capible of doing, but somehow I don't sometimes?
07:49:46 ER: jeez, I barely remembered the dialogue I wrote for the One True God, having been very close to asleep when I wrote it.
07:51:53 syv: Try putting yourself on a schedule?
07:52:08 syv: Updating PS got way easier once I started posting the update dates.
07:56:54 ER: I did say I'd try to update every day, but didn't do it once and then kept not doing it.
07:57:54 syv: Daily updates are hard, drain the soul. Give time between updates so you don't burn yourself out.
07:58:19 syv: Also why timed out updates are nice. I don't have to think about the game ors tress about it until the magical day.
07:58:38 ER: I think that the game I ran before P&P, whatever it was called, worked on schedule, and I could have kept it up if I didn't get bored of the concept and didn't have a much more entertaining concept ready.
07:59:36 ER: Ahh, just gotta commit to some sort of once-weekly thing, I guess.
07:59:38 syv: Think I'm gonna retire now, actually. Sleepy sigh. Night, ER.
07:59:44 ER: right
08:00:04 Devastator: ok.
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08:09:34 ER: Ah, at least I have it formatted. I should sleep.
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17:42:20 syv: Shoop da woop?
17:42:49 syv: @ER: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2LOmFBBq4T0
17:42:53 Devastator: Heya syv.
17:42:57 Devastator: Actually stab him sounds like fun.
17:43:00 syv: Hi, Dev.
17:43:07 syv: ...Huh?
17:43:21 ER: h-hi?
17:43:24 Devastator: in 888th.
17:44:02 syv: Ah. Yeah. Simon isn't as pro-random-murder as he lets on, so he's not terribly supportive of that plan.
17:44:43 syv: So boops it is. Maybe I should specify that he boops with a rifle butt, so it uses melee and not HtH.
17:45:30 ER: when I need simon I have ben, when I need ben I have simon ;/
17:46:43 syv: Amusingly, they're very similar characters who pretty much have three or so traits flipped.
17:48:20 Devastator: what are those traits?
17:49:07 ER: Now, I don't really want to murder him, but trying to stab him and getting held back by simon seems like the most cinematically appropriate response.
17:49:08 syv: Simon think he's an unkillable badass; Ben is very aware of his mortality. Simon is unendingly positive and optimistic; Ben is very pessimistic and negative. Simon's friendly, Ben's not, Simon feels he's the good guy fighting the right war with the heroes, Ben knows it's all gray and nobody's innocent.
17:50:09 syv: Ben is basically what Simon would become if he survived eighty years, cnstantly fighting in as many wars as possible.
17:51:50 Devastator: infinity years.
17:52:03 Devastator: Ben -is- Simon, just not insane and not stuck in a time loop.
17:52:18 Devastator: so Simon falls into one of those black and white things from Samurai Jack.
17:52:21 Devastator: Eventually becomes ben.
17:52:28 syv: Ben Breeze has also specifically stated that he's had to change his name several times in the past, so I think I'm gonna continue to make little reference to his history as Simon Smith.
17:52:59 ER: does simon believe in magic though?
17:53:05 syv: (And he's also said his first war was WWII.)
17:53:26 syv: He knows there's crazy Nazi magic, but maybe he'll have to rationalize that.
17:54:08 ER: does this mean that Ben actually has expereince fighting magic nazis?
17:55:01 Devastator: It's okay, syv, you can always assume the brain damage occurs in the future.
17:55:03 syv: ...Yes, I suppose so. Maybe.
17:55:46 syv: Ben is also ambiguously insane, his schizophrenia is actually just him seeing magic and jusifying it as his own delusions.
17:56:15 syv: I mean, aside from the psychopathy, but Simon kinda has that too.
17:56:39 syv: Psychosis? Sadism? Sadism works.
17:56:44 ER: amusingly, he looks insane to us witches because he knows what he's seeing is probably hallucinations, and reacts accordingly. :P
17:57:37 ER: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/blood-of-the-bayesian
17:59:11 syv: Pretty much.
17:59:30 syv: Except Ben is also damn effective, because guns and pragmatism.
18:00:12 ER: turns our guns are pretty good magic
18:00:54 Devastator: I'm still waiting for the moment where the mundane tankers are unable to see the train with you. ;-p
18:00:55 ER: hense, once more, the 12 year old with an AK being more useful than the 14 year olds with actual magic powers
18:01:35 syv: Both are powerful, the 12 y/o is just more willing to use her limited resource~
18:01:42 syv: (I do keep track of bullets)
18:01:48 ER: heh
18:02:29 ER: gonna need to secure a source for mundane ammo. maybe just murdering lots of human gangsters?
18:02:32 Devastator: Yeah, I've been thinking about that.
18:02:59 Devastator: I'm betting that MG's get full magazines for each gun.
18:03:25 ER: how so?
18:03:49 ER: totem guns come unloaded, because no chemical rule
18:03:59 syv: ^
18:04:15 syv: Unless you have TM4, at which point ammo cost soul.
18:04:44 ER: but if you have TM4, your totem isn't a gun. ;P
18:04:54 ER: Could probably turn it into a gun, but
18:06:01 syv: Nah, I'd be willing to let people have a TM gun, as long as the design was creative enough. A gunscythe could be any of the three.
18:06:25 ER: chaingun
18:07:11 Devastator: Hmm, I don't know.
18:07:15 syv: "My gun fires normal bullets, but magically attaches chains to them, and pulls them back out of to be reloaded!"
18:07:25 Devastator: It says 'no explosives', but that's related to 'no unusual materials'
18:07:25 ER: hah
18:07:36 Devastator: ammuntion might have explosives, but it's the normal material for ammunition.
18:08:27 syv: Nah. That's just phrased that way to cover bases for people who want to make their totem diamonds.
18:09:09 ER: my totem is a massive dark matter whip
18:09:12 syv: You don't get to make money by forging your soul into valuables and selling them.
18:09:33 ER: that sounds like exactly how people make money
18:09:59 syv: Yeah, that too. No "My totem is fire". Though I think I put in something about it needing to be holdable"
18:10:02 syv: *?
18:10:54 syv: No, no, people forge worthless junk into valuables, the act of which drains their soul.
18:11:27 syv: Giving a magical girl an office job is the quickest way to make witches. :P
18:12:19 Devastator: Nah, I got it.
18:12:31 Devastator: TM 3 making an airgun.
18:12:34 ER: good thing it's so easy to steal from mortals then~
18:12:38 Devastator: That'll do it.
18:13:18 syv: That would work, yeah. There are some badass airguns out there.
18:13:40 Devastator: I'll keep that in mind when RGU discovers everything is horrible. ;-p
18:13:56 Devastator: of course, you could just not do ammunition and just use the totem for manabolt 4.
18:14:01 syv: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VsSYngXbCc0
18:14:02 Devastator: no problem with that.
18:14:23 syv: If someone makes that their totem they automatically get in.
18:14:25 ER: anyone who did their research on PM at all already knows that everything is horrible.
18:14:40 Devastator: Yes.
18:14:50 syv: Anyone who's paid any attention to PS knows everything is horrible.
18:14:57 ER: it says right at the top what the inspiration is, and said inspiration is infamous
18:15:11 syv: The first two spoilers make it very clear that death and dismemberment is expected.
18:15:48 Devastator: murder?
18:18:02 ER: in the land of mordor, where the shadows lie
18:18:49 syv: Shadows are pretty honest everywhere else.
18:19:40 ER: does it count as honesty to say "lol nah I'm not telling you shit"
18:19:59 ER: because that's usually what shadows do
18:33:07 syv: It's totally honest.
18:33:33 syv: Mordor shadows ar all eager, promise to tell you everything, then flee while cackling madly. Just complete jerks.
18:35:02 Devastator: heh.
19:02:46 ER: hmm
19:02:58 syv: mmh?
19:03:03 ER: you can put emoji in spoiler text!
19:03:10 syv: ...Yeeess?
19:03:16 ER: the preview won't show it, but preview lies
19:03:35 ER: as in the spoiler= bit, not the stuff inside the spoiler
19:03:47 syv: Huh. I've seen it before in other posts, have never tried it myself though.
19:03:57 syv: Preview lies about a bunch of stuff.
19:04:36 ER: should I go with "nauseated face" or "face with open mouth vomiting"?
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19:04:50 syv: Radio, IMPORTANT QUESTION!
19:05:01 syv: (ER) should I go with "nauseated face" or "face with open mouth vomiting"?
19:05:16 Devastator: Heya Radio.
19:05:19 Devastator: Good to see you.
19:05:25 Radio_Controlled: Good evening you people who GET STRAIGHT TO THE POINT.
19:05:32 ER: right to it
19:05:42 ER: well, what's the answer radface?
19:05:57 syv: Yes yes we're all happy to see the grand comander, but seriously! Which emoji?!
19:06:01 Devastator: What brings you here?
19:06:03 Radio_Controlled: Knowing no context whatsoever, my gut feeling says the first.
19:06:03 Devastator: Eggplant.
19:06:07 ER: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji#Unicode_blocks (very helpful bookmark)
19:06:07 Devastator: Isn't it always the eggplant?
19:06:51 ER: ??
19:07:46 Radio_Controlled: You guys can add 'crushed foot of a radio' to your tank's achievements list, congrats.
19:09:00 syv: There's more cat faces than I thought there were.
19:09:15 syv: 😻
19:10:13 Radio_Controlled: Also, may I know the context of that first question, or is it just "which unicode emoji most accurately displays my reaction to most unicode emojis"?
19:10:32 ER: yeah there's like a full set of emotions for cat faces
19:10:55 ER: have you read the dig turn yet?
19:11:16 Radio_Controlled: Not really.
19:11:30 Devastator: Cats don't have emotional faces, though.
19:11:35 Devastator: The faces always look the same.
19:12:16 Radio_Controlled: Hastily skimmed it to see if we all died or got eaten by the organ room or something.
19:12:48 ER: well the organ room is now dripping off the walls so
19:13:07 Devastator: Just set the room on fire and forget it ever existed.
19:13:13 Devastator: At this point I think that's your best option.
19:13:27 ER: No thanks.
19:13:30 Radio_Controlled: Maybe we could vent it into magma.
19:14:30 syv: Cat facial expressions are pretty much solely dependant on ear position and degree of eye opening. Whispers and mouth matter a little, but only for certain "expressions".
19:14:50 Devastator: And some cats don't care about eyes.
19:15:05 Radio_Controlled: And raised hairs I suppose?
19:15:26 Radio_Controlled: Though that's mostly hair on the back I think.
19:16:02 syv: That's pretty only aggression, and not much head hair raises. Mostly the spine and tailfluff.
19:16:40 Radio_Controlled: Yeah.
19:16:46 Devastator: tail fluff?
19:17:22 syv: Yeah. Angry/scared cats have so much tail floof.
19:17:50 Radio_Controlled: I have a very Baron Munchausen idea to get the tank back up.
19:18:03 syv: More scared than angry, two kinda go together though... tails are also important...
19:18:08 syv: Ohhh?
19:21:20 Radio_Controlled: Tie rope to the ceiling, tie one end to underside of tank where it is lying on the ground, put other end in drive train, let the engine spool up the rope and pull the tank back up again!
19:21:24 Radio_Controlled: Flawless.
19:22:39 ER: bootstraps
19:25:50 syv: I mean... it's better than any plan we already have.
19:28:45 Radio_Controlled: You'd need something like a big eye screw attached to the ceiling, and quite some rope, for starters.
19:29:18 Radio_Controlled: Could try righting the tank by turning the turret but that will probably just wreck the turret, I think.
19:29:47 Devastator: Next up, tank is sideways.
19:31:10 syv: We could always get out and push.
19:31:51 Radio_Controlled: You'd probably need a large lever to get anywhere like that, no?
19:32:07 Radio_Controlled: Unless you guys are secretly the Hulk and I just never noticed.
19:33:32 syv: Enough five can do anything!
19:33:51 syv: Simon has a +1 in strength, that's *kinda* like the Hulk.
19:34:32 Devastator: RC, it sounds like your plan is going to end with the tank suspended from the ceiling upside down.
19:35:17 Radio_Controlled: The eye screw could be attached plenty to the side so that it is less likely for that to happen.
19:36:20 Devastator: That's a pretty mighty eye screw.
19:36:59 Devastator also notes that Simon needs purple pants.
19:37:06 Radio_Controlled: I said eye screw to give the general idea, it could be a bunch of scrap or whatever lodged into the wall or something.
19:37:06 Devastator: You can't be the hulk without purple pants.
19:37:15 Radio_Controlled: True about the pants though.
19:37:30 ER: I have purple pants
19:43:23 Radio_Controlled: I'll ask pw about the idea in my action.
19:44:07 syv: Will your action also involve screaming bloody murder?
19:44:43 Radio_Controlled: It could if it would make you feel better.
19:46:24 syv: It would. I love when people scream in pain.
19:47:52 Radio_Controlled: Especially when due to your incompetence, I'm sure!
20:02:36 Devastator: It's the fault of the hallway, not his fault.
20:03:13 Radio_Controlled: Putting blame on external forces?
20:03:15 Radio_Controlled: Oh please.
20:06:10 Devastator: Yup.
20:06:38 Devastator: dangit.
20:06:45 Devastator: died to the first guy I fought, did 97 damage.
20:06:50 Devastator: then took a shotgun blast.
20:08:36 Radio_Controlled: A hint for your next playthrough:
20:08:47 Radio_Controlled: Don't take shotgun blasts.
20:09:00 Devastator: yes.
20:09:12 Radio_Controlled: 8 our of 11 doctors agree, buckshot is bad for your health!
20:37:00 Radio_Controlled: Man, ER, you just can't catch a break in Cabal huh.
20:46:18 Devastator: Painter guy still stuck?
20:46:39 Radio_Controlled: Very.
20:46:45 Radio_Controlled: Another bad roll.
20:48:22 Devastator: What happened this time? ER has been kinda silent.
20:48:56 Radio_Controlled: Didn't you read the turn?
20:49:03 Radio_Controlled: Tried to kick a door, failed.
20:55:14 ER: I just decided to look out the window and just as I did a bird bounced off the screen.
20:55:37 ER: Um, hope it's okay. It looked like it flew off.
20:55:44 Radio_Controlled: Damn.
20:56:00 Radio_Controlled: Does that happen often?
20:56:48 Radio_Controlled: You can get those black stickers that look like silhouettes of predatory birds to avoid that.
21:00:25 ER: That's the first time I've actually seen it
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21:23:53 Radio_Controlled: Dammit syv.
21:23:57 Radio_Controlled: Make up your mind!
21:24:51 syv: It's made, it's made.
21:26:54 Radio_Controlled: By the way, you could ask a tinkerer to make you a harness for strapping your stuff onto.
21:31:03 Radio_Controlled: Build it out of dead guard parts.
21:31:44 Devastator: dead bodies.
21:31:45 Radio_Controlled: Their hands, cramped forever in rigor mortis, could hold some stuff for sure!
21:32:46 Radio_Controlled: I mean, you'd need to stuff them and chemically work them so they don't rot, but surely the sheer style points would be worth it.
21:32:57 ER: So, a glob of liquid water in a vacuum will boil and expand into water vapor, right?
21:33:07 Devastator: Yes.
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22:02:34 ER: damn, I like death plane actually
22:02:57 ER: the good shit
22:02:59 Radio_Controlled: Death plane?
22:03:04 Radio_Controlled: Like a stuka or something?
22:03:12 ER: hehe
22:03:28 ER: I started a game in the general forum games board
22:03:40 syv: Nyw is actually sane, so no, no corpse scabbards.
22:03:48 ER: called death plane. uncapitalized, for some reason
22:04:09 Radio_Controlled: Actually sane? Pfff, laaaame :p
22:04:13 ER: It's a god game where everything's fucked and the gods can die.
22:04:20 Radio_Controlled: Is it now.
22:05:04 Radio_Controlled: How's that going?
22:05:11 Devastator: http://www.acriminalwasteofspace.com/journal_beds.asp
22:06:11 ER: I haven't updated in like five days, which is too long.
22:06:36 ER: But very fun to write the actual turns.
22:06:49 Radio_Controlled: The ghost of Past&Past is staring at you.
22:07:12 Radio_Controlled: "Woooo don't let another game dieee wooooo"
22:07:30 ER: if you want P&P, it's not a complicated prospect to run it yourself. :P
22:08:11 Radio_Controlled: Nah, I have made peace with its death.
22:08:32 ER: also The Darkness talks in [glow=darkgrey,2,300][color=black][font=georgia] and the One True God talks in [font=impact][color=white][glow=white,2,300]
22:08:35 Radio_Controlled: And I'm not gonna be starting a forum game myself when I'm already cutting down on the number of games I'm in.
22:09:10 Radio_Controlled: AVA updates at a snail's pace so that's not too big a bother, 888th I can probably drop whenever.
22:09:27 syv: No! 888th is great!
22:09:40 Radio_Controlled: Cabal is fun but also updates slowly, dig seems like it might need some time investment.
22:09:57 Radio_Controlled: 888th is ok but nothing out of the ordinary, imo.
22:10:02 syv: At least give your equipment to Simon befor you quit!
22:10:12 ER: ahh, AVA... never updates, and I'm never eager for an update.
22:10:17 ER: the perfect game
22:10:23 Radio_Controlled: My dear, I AM equipment.
22:10:34 ER: my desires and expectations are exactly met
22:10:41 syv: Yes! Give Simon your head!
22:10:55 syv: Also, your gun!
22:11:17 syv: And whatever random shit you've picked up.
22:11:20 Radio_Controlled: And it'd go to bomberman first anyway.
22:11:25 ER: simon just ends up wearinf radio's head like a hat
22:13:00 Radio_Controlled: Hey, I'm already helping to think of a way to right the tank, I'm going above and beyond the call of duty already.
22:13:59 syv: Yeah but I want to get ahead of the call of duty, not above and beyond.
22:15:15 Radio_Controlled: I think you are stretching that poor metaphor to the breaking point.
22:15:49 syv: Yes.
22:16:50 Devastator: metaphor metaphor metaphor.
22:17:40 Devastator: Drop 888th, join Coven.
22:18:04 Radio_Controlled: As if.
22:18:25 Radio_Controlled: I want to decrease rtd load in the future, not increase.
22:18:46 Devastator: But 888th updates more often than once a week.
22:19:42 Radio_Controlled: True, but I also don't need to brood or think about it much if at all.
22:20:14 Devastator: Pick odd object, shove clot into it, have weapon.
22:20:17 Devastator: Go to mission, use weapon.
22:20:19 Devastator: Done.
22:20:35 Devastator: I think about it a lot, but I have competence issues.
22:20:35 Radio_Controlled: You lost me at clot.
22:20:51 ER: I did that and ended up with something that doesn't really do any direct shooting. :P
22:21:22 ER: Forcing me to be clever. And hope that my enemies have a sense of smell to be spoofed.
22:22:20 Devastator: Well, you have something that murders everyone in the general area around you, as well as something that makes toxic gas.
22:22:37 Devastator: I'm still the proud owner of the weakest weapon that can possibly exist.
22:24:54 syv: The Fork of Horripilation?
22:25:26 Devastator: (In Coven. NJW has described that I chose the weakest of all possible objects to make a wand.)
22:27:03 ER: Something that murders everyone around me except the people I wanted to murder
22:27:14 Devastator: Didn't it kill those guys too?
22:27:34 Devastator: My big spell makes something more brittle.
22:44:49 Radio_Controlled: What can those things be?
22:45:16 Devastator: anything I point it at, that is in the general direction in front of me.
22:45:55 Devastator: as for what you can turn into a weapon, it seems to be 'anything you can hold, and some things you can't.
22:46:37 Radio_Controlled: So you can make, say, bones so brittle people just instantly break their legs?
22:46:59 Devastator: Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure it would fuck people up good, though.
22:47:13 Devastator: Still, it's not as potent as just murdering guys.
22:47:36 Devastator: My other weapon is for 3 mana I can throw a knife at someone.
22:48:05 Radio_Controlled: Depends on if you wanna kill I suppose.
22:49:19 Devastator: The last person I shot knives at didn't get noticeably hurt.
22:50:04 Radio_Controlled: Bigger knives.
22:50:21 Radio_Controlled: If you aren't shooting at least zweihanders you might as well go home.
22:50:33 Devastator: I may get a slight upgrade due to fame when the next video comes in. That's with a slight upgrade already.
22:50:51 Devastator: Although that does apply to all wands, not just the weak one. It's mostly that I only have a weak one, though.
22:52:45 Devastator: I'd make a better one, but I have about a zillion things to do already.
22:53:10 Radio_Controlled: Don't we all.
22:53:18 Radio_Controlled: How's your healing scheme coming along?
22:53:26 Radio_Controlled: In cabal I mean.
22:53:56 Devastator: Okay. I may have surgery to commit next turn.
22:54:12 Devastator: Yes, I mean that and not 'conduct'.
22:54:19 Devastator: Wonderous d4 skill there.
22:54:38 Radio_Controlled: Oh?
22:54:47 Radio_Controlled: Not rolling End for it?
22:55:11 Devastator: Surgery is mundane healing ability, based on Int.
22:55:29 Devastator: That said, I should have made it easier due to an Int success on examining the patient, as well as from having the proper tools.
22:55:33 Radio_Controlled: Wait, really? I thought healing in general was end based?
22:55:36 Devastator: I'll use magic to make it a bit easier still before we start.
22:55:47 Devastator: Healing is Int based, magical healing is End.
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22:57:43 Radio_Controlled: I know about the second, but are you sure about the first?
22:58:30 Devastator: Not 100%, but that's what I've been assuming.
22:58:38 Devastator: and I did make it d4+1, so there's that.
22:59:14 Radio_Controlled: I suspect that regular healing still take end.
22:59:51 Devastator: Well, this is the first time I've had to do it.
23:01:03 Devastator: "Knowledge: Used for any test regarding the things a person would know, such as memory or lore, and do certain things like building or crafting. Also determines the number of magical materials one can memorize."
23:04:14 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, it's a bit unclear.
23:04:33 Radio_Controlled: Anyways, time for bed over here.
23:04:41 Radio_Controlled: Goodnight gentlemen.
23:05:10 Radio_Controlled has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
23:05:11 Devastator: see you.
23:05:23 Devastator: I'm pretty sure it is Kno, although PW might make a mistake.
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