00:01:07 Devastator: Also lost 485-282 in scrabble today.
00:01:26 Piecewise: shouldn't bet so much~
00:02:06 Piecewise: And yeah, but honestly that entire mission was just me trying to introduce things. Was never meant to be all that dangerous. Divers seem to be filling the danger quota
00:02:17 Piecewise: Yotta managed to turn himself into a slurry
00:02:26 Devastator: I do hope that means Yotta is dead.
00:02:40 Piecewise: he is...physically alive
00:02:44 Devastator: You know, via chunky salsa rule.
00:02:59 ER: The lizard now coats the room, but the heart is beating
00:03:07 Piecewise: but he's spread out across and entire room and turned into a portal to the butthole dimension
00:03:33 Piecewise: I don't know if you would consider that "living" since he can't do anything like that
00:04:02 Piecewise: Has moku ever dove and succeeded?
00:04:38 ER: well, succeeded getting those barrels down
00:04:51 ER: but we keep rolling 20 for final nerve
00:07:03 Piecewise: time to stop sorting porn and building robot devils
00:07:21 Piecewise: time to start trying to give directions on a 20 second delay!
00:08:13 Piecewise: I'd link pictures but I doubt you can look
00:10:43 Piecewise: We stuck in infinite loading loop here?
00:12:21 Piecewise: ran past the short cut
00:14:23 ER: why don't you just let him make the bad decisions and suffer?
00:14:40 Piecewise: he does that all on his own.
00:14:48 Piecewise: I'm just providing basic directions
00:15:52 Piecewise: That sword really wrecks his health
00:16:03 Piecewise: Lightning damage and all
00:16:38 Piecewise: He's a charge happy jerk in the second form
00:19:40 Piecewise: He's an albino dragon
00:20:39 Piecewise: He actually used to be a human and got tranformed by unsuccessful magic experimentation
00:22:42 Piecewise: what would have made for a better skyrim is leaving in the physics glitch that let giants punt you half a mile into the sky
00:24:41 Piecewise: As Broteam said "Dumbed it down so much, should have called it retard heaven. Only 18 skills? Morrowind had 27!"
00:25:39 Piecewise: admittedly, they let you make spells in oblivion and it was hilariously broken
00:26:49 Piecewise: Then again in oblivion paint brushes famously had no physics and you could use them to build a stairway out of the world
00:27:53 Piecewise: Skyrim: It looks like shit but at least you can't do anything!
00:28:39 Piecewise: Is that why you are the way you are?
00:29:35 Piecewise: some ask you to murder things
00:29:44 Piecewise: but those might be side quests
00:32:48 Piecewise: Skyrim has more problems than game really
00:33:10 Piecewise: Any game where the enemies level to be on your level is not a good game in my opinion
00:34:41 Piecewise: lets you reverse hollowing, a mechanic you never got because you murdered the NPC that introduced it
00:35:10 Piecewise: Remember, we're killing the optional boss to ulock the ability to buy chunks
00:35:37 Piecewise: so head past this boss room and grab the "path of the dragon" emote ahead
00:35:51 Piecewise: There are some in the area with the unlock
00:36:46 Piecewise: you need to do it at a certain place to be transported
00:36:53 Piecewise: also the wall behind the chest is a fake wall
00:37:50 Piecewise: This is an optional area. Might be chunks round here. Don't remember
00:38:27 Piecewise: There are two chunks here
00:39:48 Piecewise: Maybe, I dunno. The chunks are in this area with the dogs. one on one side, the other directly opposite it
00:40:14 Piecewise: seriously, they just kind of appear
00:40:50 Piecewise: You can probably just run and grab the chunks
00:41:59 Piecewise: So now head over to the opposite side, left instead of right
00:44:20 Piecewise: Alright, thats all of them here
00:44:43 Piecewise: there's a boss but you'd have to run to him. I don't know if you recognize this place but its identical to the very first starting area
00:45:00 Piecewise: the boss here is a powered up version of the very first boss
00:46:22 Piecewise: Least not till after the boss
00:46:39 Piecewise: There's a time paradox npc here after the boss
00:48:00 Piecewise:
Dev plays undertale but only genocide runs. Over and over.
00:49:22 Piecewise: I mean, it is your fault. If you wanna kill things, there are consequences to it.
00:50:35 Piecewise:
Dev,is your anger here because the fictional characters act like they're alive and don't ignore your actions in the world?
00:52:27 Piecewise: They don't tell you you're a bad person unless you specifically set out to murder every single monster and npc in the whole world. Anything less and they give you one of a variety of "Gray" endings. There are two hard end of the scale results and then a lot of middle of the road results
00:53:44 Piecewise: When you set out to do a bad thing, the game tells you you're a bad person? And thats bad game design?
00:59:34 Piecewise: You realize they're not ACTUALLY saying you're a bad person right?
00:59:48 Piecewise: They're saying your character did a bad thing?
01:01:43 Piecewise: You seem to be taking an exploration of meta elements of the medium really personally. Undertale is literally an elongated version of a zelda NPC getting mad at you for breaking their pots and entering their house
01:04:59 Piecewise: I think all they were doing was pointing out the oddities and disconnect between how players act and how people act, combined with the strangeness of savepoints and the way people replay stories to see all parts and outcomes.
01:05:40 Piecewise: Heck, the villian even specifically says that he used the power to see all ways the story of the world could play out and became a villain due to his disconnect with the people that resulted from that
01:06:19 Piecewise: You could always try OFF
01:06:49 Piecewise: Its not fictional for him,
Dev
01:06:56 Piecewise: He is a character in that world
01:07:45 Piecewise: so the authors shouldn't treat the world as real?
01:09:33 Piecewise: Like, if I had the ability to time travel and I did that with your life, manipulating you for my own amusement to see all the possible paths your life could take, including bringing you to your perfect life and then erasing it, you wouldn't call that a bit villainous?
01:12:48 Piecewise: No but
dev, you don't get it
01:13:23 Piecewise: That character is acting evil
01:13:33 Piecewise: The player is just behaving like a player
01:14:45 Piecewise: They're just drawing attention to the disconnect between player and character
01:18:20 ER: >
dev complaining about undertale
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01:19:05 syv: The best part of
Dev's streaming is watching
Piecewise futilely argue with him about random games.
01:19:15 Piecewise: Techically I brought it up.
ER is just being himself.
01:19:43 Piecewise: I'm just trying to understand.
01:20:02 syv: Yes, I try to understand
Dev regularly.
01:20:20 syv: Just remember to enjoy the journey, because you will never reach your destination.
01:24:27 Piecewise: I'd recommend just running it
dev
01:25:09 Piecewise: I'm fine with it. Though If you want chunks we should go to that other place
01:25:15 Piecewise: kill some dragons and such
01:26:09 syv: Hey, Dubs, does Simon have any chance whatsoever to get the tank through that tunnel?
01:27:02 Devastator: It's a problem related to something being too large,
syv. Deal with it. ;-p
01:27:14 Piecewise: I dunno, you could like...angle it? But that seems very silly. Alternatively you could try to blow it wider?
01:27:37 syv: Oh. Is the archway thinner than the tunnel?
01:28:07 Piecewise: albeit a big thick one.
01:28:12 syv: My current (well, Egan's) action is already to get it up on one track and drive down diagonally.
01:28:28 syv: But if we really can just blow a hole in the arch, that's even better!
01:28:39 Piecewise: Try not to destroy the tunnel
01:29:38 Piecewise: I know you're just trying to goad them to their deaths
dev
01:31:32 Piecewise: I will say this guy's soul transposes into a really good ring
01:32:10 Piecewise: It gives +15 levels worth of stats
01:32:25 Piecewise: +5 life, +5 Stamina, and +5 weight reduction
01:32:46 Piecewise: I'd get vigor to 30 at least
01:34:31 Piecewise: Its a her, and I'd see what she has to sell and then if you don't care, do it
01:37:56 Piecewise: There are a few items here
01:38:05 Piecewise: one in the center of the room
01:38:30 Piecewise: and a fake wall down on the same level
01:40:50 Piecewise: Give them to her and she'll help you destroy the world
01:41:54 ER: Have you uncultured swines watched the han solo movie? Because that's the thing we're doing with this tank.
01:42:13 Piecewise: Can you even buy it?
01:42:17 Piecewise: does she have it available?
01:42:27 Piecewise: I think you bought it in the other world
01:43:01 Piecewise: the estus ring is from there
01:44:13 Piecewise: The armor there is unique and the embers are useful
01:45:13 Piecewise: The coiled sword fragment is a usable item. its the other item you picked up. Infinite homeward bone
01:45:58 ER: Because an infinite homeward boner is so useful when you, I dunno, ALREADY HAVE A STACK OF HOMEWARD BONES
01:46:28 ER: At least it doesn't require 14 faith and use up a spell slot, like that useless miracle
01:48:02 Piecewise: shall we go to that other area?
01:48:18 Piecewise: but you don't like them)
01:48:39 ER: We should make him play sekiro in like nine months
01:49:20 Piecewise: Isn't it a console only game
ER?
01:49:44 Piecewise: yes, that was a katana
01:49:52 ER: Pretty sure that's confirmed for PC
01:50:48 Piecewise: Do you remember the area with the dragon statue?
01:51:28 Piecewise: Ok then irithyll dungeon
01:52:02 Piecewise: Did you run through here yet?
01:52:49 syv: Homeward is okay. Especially if you're very cautious and... just don't have a ton of bones.
01:52:54 Piecewise: Ok then there should be a shortcut.
01:53:20 syv: I liked getting the feather in II because it was free. Happy I wasn't wasting chump change homewarding frivolously.
01:53:46 Piecewise: drop down, continue left
01:54:11 Piecewise: Go back to where you smacked the wall
01:54:22 ER: go stomp on some weak enemies, get ye souls.
01:55:03 ER: time in which I'm having fun, so it doesn't count
01:55:11 syv: I like not having to spend an extra ten minutes killing boring things just so I can have a bunch of bones.
01:55:20 Piecewise: look for a carpet with corpses and a statue
01:55:34 Piecewise: do the path of the dragon emote on that carpet, facing the mountains
01:55:39 syv: That's the third time you've told him to go down. I don't think he wants to.
01:56:02 ER: You can have like half your playthrough's supply of bones for just the number of souls you'd need to level once.
01:56:20 syv: And then I have one less level!
01:56:44 ER: levels are for nerds anyway
01:57:10 syv: Have you even done an SL1 run?
01:57:53 Piecewise: gonna have to switch it out
01:59:26 ER: bah, I'll SL1 after I've finished SC
02:00:19 syv: SC is much harder than SL1.
02:01:16 syv: You know, I still haven't beaten SC Gwyn. If you hurry up, you might beat him before me~
02:01:39 ER: but I'm busy watching beagle play xcom D:
02:01:49 Piecewise: 9 titanite chunks here
02:02:05 syv: Bah, away with Beagle, SOULS!
02:03:59 syv: Cats are better animals, anyway.
02:04:15 syv: Go join the forest hunters or something, it'll be way better. Trust me.
02:06:56 Piecewise: There are three chunks round here before the big gate you need to open
02:07:45 ER: Can't really play forest hunters unless I uninstall SC
02:08:50 syv: Eh? No, I don't mean invade people (which I'm pretty sure does work, anyway), I mean just join them. Like, say "Yes" to the cat lady.
02:08:58 Piecewise: Gonna tell you now that the next boss is a puzzle boss
02:09:04 Piecewise: you just need to run
02:09:23 ER: Also getting down from anor londo is a pain
02:09:45 syv: One of the nice things about DaS I is that there's no mod checks or anything, you can run whatever while invading, and worst that'll happen is a few people will watchdog kick you.
02:10:26 syv: It's not that far from Parish. And you need to kill Sif, anyway.
02:10:57 ER: Still don't have dat lardvessel
02:11:28 syv: Didn'tyou already kill O&S...?
02:11:39 syv: I thought you had got them in like three tries.
02:11:57 ER: You watched me try way more than thrice
02:12:12 Piecewise: Ya just gotta run through, eventually climb a ladder, and do a drop attack to kill the boss in one hit. It sucks but whatever
02:12:26 syv: But I thought... maybe I'm confusing you with Lobos or something.
02:12:32 ER: Plus all the times I died to that silver knight witht he spear
02:12:44 syv: I remember that. That was funny.
02:13:05 ER:
ER is not as good at DS as lobos. Remember this.
02:13:35 syv: But yeah, O&S are straightforward, you got Power Within right? Fight them normally for the first three stages, then buff and burst them down.
02:24:52 Piecewise: How many weeks is this?
02:25:37 Piecewise:
Sy: How many weeks is ancient wyvern?
02:27:38 ER: isn't that the DS3 boss that's trivial
02:28:18 sy: I've never played DaS III, and have largely avoided spoilers. I know virtually nothing about any of the bosses,
02:30:09 Devastator: It's a white version of big red from DS1.
02:32:38 Piecewise: You have the things to upgrade the sword the last two parts?
02:32:50 sy: Hellkite Drake? "How long for [the boss]" does not really compute, sorry.
02:34:50 sy: Hellkite's effing huge, like nearly as tall as a castle. Years?
02:35:02 ER: I still don't know what you're talking about here
02:35:29 sy: Best case scenario, monthly witches, I'll say 36. Maybe 60 though, that's huge.
02:35:52 Piecewise: How many chunks you need?
02:36:25 sy:
Dev is obsessed with making Alida into a giant vertical wolf. Though, if he also makes her progressively fluffy, she really will be a spherical wolf by then.
02:36:36 sy: Fluff would be so thick she could roll.
02:37:09 Piecewise: No, but you can trade the coiled sword fragment with the crow at firelink for one
02:37:33 Piecewise: Or there's one in this level
02:37:45 Piecewise: through you'd need to get to the next bonfire
02:37:57 sy: That would be LOOONG past the time she just can't uwe her altform. Would be kinda funny, every year she tries it out just to see how utterly crippled she is like that. Just puffs out in the middle of a field somewhere;
02:39:43 sy: ...Also, she'd be "whoops I accidentally the planet" powerful at that point. The game kinda assumes you die long, long, long, before that level.
02:40:18 ER: More like the player dies of old age before then
02:41:18 ER: speaking of, I need to update that game that I started but instead I'll play dark souls
02:42:20 sy: You can do it, and [other motivational sayings]!
02:42:58 ER: will you update Sophia if I beat Gwen before you do? >.>
02:43:37 ER: will the two events be related to each other?
02:43:39 Piecewise: Oh, the hardest part is up next
dev
02:44:12 sy: I *might* update Sophia within a month, of my own accord. I've been meaning to, I just procrastinate ridiculously long.
02:44:32 sy: But I promise I'll update her within a week of you beating Gwyn, regardless of my Gwyn status.
02:45:16 sy: And that length of time is mostly only selected because I never work seven days in a row; I'd actually do it pretty much as soon as I have free time and am not exhausted.
02:46:02 sy: Basic Gwyn is A) Already beaten twenty times over by myself, and B) trivial.
02:47:26 Piecewise: Just run forward and there's a bonfire
02:47:27 sy: ...Hell, I'll actually just finish the whole damn thing snappishly if you manage that. It's only got like five updates left, a absolute most.
02:48:02 sy: I love watching
PW yell at the goblin.
02:48:24 Piecewise: FORWARD GUIDENCE GOBLIN
02:48:27 Piecewise: HIT THEM WITH YOUR SWORD
02:48:52 sy: It is very foolish to use
Dev for guidance.
02:49:02 Piecewise:
Sy, he just ran through a dangerous area with lots of souls and didn't die
02:49:15 sy: You'll be steered into misery and unnecessary masochism.
02:49:29 sy: Oh, I don't doubt it. He's quite competent.
02:49:39 Piecewise: Now go trade for that slab
02:49:44 sy: That's why he can manage to be a goblin and not just fail constantly.
02:49:46 Piecewise: You remember how to do that?
02:50:30 Piecewise: Ok you remember the tower out back?
02:50:42 sy: I would like to parrychain this goblin. Can you parrychain in 3?
02:51:50 sy: Why'd they have to break the PvP/
02:52:20 Piecewise: it was a fog gate a moment ago
02:52:33 ER: Went and beat up lautrec with pwr within bkh
02:52:57 sy: I had a hard time with Lautrec last time I fought him.
02:53:24 sy: Kept screwing up the parries on his R2, and the buddies wouldn't leave me alone.
02:53:54 Piecewise: top floor does not mean the basement or the ground floor
02:54:07 sy: He's blind, don't bully him~
02:54:29 Piecewise: that is the front door
02:54:46 ER: just ran behind nearest pillar so that I wouldn't get soul arrowed, melee summon rolls right up to me so I r1 him twice, then r1 lautrec twice, then went and chased the mage down for fun while he was dying.
02:54:58 Piecewise: you ran up to the top floor and jumpped off but that was the wrong side
02:55:10 ER: front door, top floor, same thing
02:55:17 sy: ...BKH. Though it is BKN too.
02:55:29 Piecewise: there's a tower with an open gate up there
02:55:34 Piecewise: it leads to a bridge
02:55:46 Piecewise: drop down off the bridge onto the roof the shrine
02:55:58 Piecewise: look for a nest, someone should talk to you when you get close
02:56:08 sy: Hey, Dubs, is there a BKH in III?
02:56:43 Piecewise: walk into the nest, go into your inventory, drop the coiled sword fragment
02:57:23 Piecewise: but there are better halberds
02:57:58 sy: Don't care, BKN was my favorite weapon in I and II, I'mma use it no matter how bad it is.
02:58:21 Piecewise: Pick up the next one you dingus
02:59:02 Piecewise: just pick up item again
02:59:31 Piecewise: so now you can upgrade to max
03:00:27 Piecewise: That item is a set of fire keeper clothing . You have to drop from the bridge on top to it.
03:00:32 ER: imma fight these anor londo dickheads now, k
03:00:34 Piecewise: You got everything else in there already
03:01:32 sy silently cheers from far away
03:04:08 ER: can you not bone home while the arena is all darkmoony?
03:04:32 ER: I killed smough first, and then decided I regretted that decision
03:05:14 sy: I know I boned out of the fight a couple timea.
03:05:44 Piecewise: Well there's an optional boss right next to the bonfire you were at
03:05:47 Piecewise: if you wanna do that
03:05:50 Piecewise: or we continue towards the end
03:06:27 Piecewise: he's considered one of the hardest bosses
03:06:53 sy: DLC. I can hear
Dev's whining all the way from here.
03:06:59 Piecewise: thats the wrong way, other way
03:08:55 Piecewise: Another slab up here too
03:09:06 ER: oh, I meant kill ornstein first?
03:09:22 ER: this fight has WAY too many phases
03:11:07 sy: Smough, then Super Ornstein, then burst down Super Smough and finish O again.,
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03:12:22 Piecewise: You have to drop off
03:12:29 sy: (
sy) Smough, then Super Ornstein, then burst down Super Smough and finish O again.
03:12:35 sy: (
sy) There's a bit of RNG in how long you have to kill Super S before Super O comes in, but it shouldn't be too hard to beat it with
PW.
03:12:35 Piecewise: and walk on the clouds
03:12:46 ER: Will the R2 be useful for bursting super S?
03:14:03 sy: The R of what? BKH? No. Best DPS is 2HR1, with each attack followed by a little step so you don't continue the combo.
03:14:31 sy: The side swingy second attack is a bit slower, so don't let that hapoen.
03:15:28 sy: Also, I think I got it wrong. Best order is OSSO.
03:16:01 sy: But honestly I don't remember exactly how the phases work, now.
03:18:25 Piecewise: you can skip the cutscene~
03:19:47 Piecewise: Try strong attacks if you're missing
03:24:33 Piecewise: No tail weapons in this
03:26:12 Piecewise: He's weak to lightning
03:26:48 Piecewise: You know you can spam roll to get out of the stun faster right?
03:28:00 ER: I might play this without solare just because that takes less time to set up and it's less stressful when I don't have to worry about his health bar.
03:28:26 ER: Solare is tanky as fuck, but he WILL die at some point in a 4-phase O&S fight
03:29:34 sy: Oh, yes. IMO he's mostly useful for distracting them to make the first two phases easier.
03:30:02 sy: If you really hurry he might even last to #3, which can be really helpful.
03:30:27 ER: Oh yeah, I hurry through those and he usually lasts to 3
03:32:23 Piecewise: His name isn't nameless
03:32:46 Piecewise: The tomb of the unknown soldier isn't for a soldier named Unknown
03:32:59 Piecewise: The king of the storms is the bird
03:33:10 sy: Yeah, he told me it's actually "Adahn".
03:33:31 sy: Keep it a secret though, there's a cool mystique to being Nameless.
03:33:41 Piecewise: Actually his name isn't known
03:34:13 Piecewise: specifically in the lore they refer to him only as a god of war whose name was erased from history due to an unknown mistake he made
03:34:36 Piecewise: And everyone who could have known it is dead
03:34:56 ER: dammit, got ornstein phase 4 down to one hit left, before smough spawned
03:34:59 Piecewise: The only one who knows it is him, and he doesn't tell. From the perspective of the player, he's nameless
03:35:14 Piecewise: Unlike all those other bosses that nicely give you their names before fighting~
03:35:29 Piecewise: Ok
Dev, then all the unknown soldiers are called fred
03:35:49 sy: "Adahn" is a reference, Piecey. :P
03:36:11 ER: fuck that gwen's firstborn is Solare and we all know this to be true so fuck off nameless king nobody likes you
03:36:33 Piecewise:
ER thats not true in any way
03:36:34 sy: Actually, Gwyn's firstborn is Vamos.
03:36:51 Piecewise: he originally supposed to be andre
03:37:04 sy: He was pretty ashamed of that affair with Nito, so Vamos got exiled. That's why he's so grumpy.
03:37:18 sy: Nah, Andre's just some shmuck.
03:37:21 Piecewise: Just like pricilla was gonna be level up lady
03:37:33 Piecewise: Its all still in the game code, interviews, design docs, etc
03:37:56 ER: Andre is some shmuck who survives like 30000 years to be in two games
03:38:04 sy: Yes, yes, we know
Piecewise. We know. A lot of Dark Souls nerdery in this channel.
03:38:44 sy: I mean, how ELSE does Vamos tie into the lore?
03:39:13 ER: Vamos can go sit by himself with his shitty microphone
03:39:36 ER: he's skeleton man what makes sword go fire and that's all
03:39:38 Piecewise: Vamos is my spirit animal
03:39:54 Piecewise: we don't have to fight this guy remember
03:39:58 Piecewise: he's totally optional
03:43:47 Piecewise: His attacks tend to be a half second later than you think
03:43:51 Piecewise: they love doing that
03:44:08 Piecewise: you have to dodge when the attack comes in, rather than when you see him wind up
03:46:18 Piecewise: Might wanna get the ring from Gundyr's soul. Its a good one. Better than that extra damage while full hp one
03:47:16 ER: killed super ornstein, then... nothing happened. super smough didn't spawn.
03:47:57 ER: just stood around in an empty room while the distorted music kept going
03:48:49 sy: Oh. That happened to me once, yeah.
03:49:14 Piecewise: thats what you're looking for
03:49:20 sy: It's one of only... two significant bugs, which honestly is kinda impressive.
03:49:55 Piecewise: the health you get from the ring more than counteracts it
03:53:58 Piecewise: Alternatively, wear a hat~
03:54:22 ER: luuuuuuuul got killed by electric spear grab attack
03:56:55 sy: You can save quit if it'll kill you. Saves you a run.
03:59:42 ER: I've suddenly become shit at phase 1
04:00:30 Devastator: Damn, sorry for the bad quality.
04:00:47 Devastator: I should have changed a few settings.
04:02:41 Devastator: okay, that's it for today.
04:02:48 Devastator: Wonder what that guy's second form is like.
04:03:09 Devastator: Oh look, steam was updating itself despite being on offline mode.
04:03:42 ER: fuck you, smough's single pixel of health!
04:04:03 Devastator: I can't tell it to not fucking do that while I don't want it doing that.
04:04:26 sy:
Dev's true boss: Social Consensus.
04:04:58 ER:
dev, maybe if you let steam update when you're not doing anything else, it wouldn't feel the need to update itself while you're playing?
04:05:00 Devastator: It can be done,
PW, but I'll have to look up how to do it via shell commands. There are some MP games where it'll shut off updates while playing it.
04:05:12 Devastator: It updates every couple of days,
ER.
04:06:20 Devastator: That's like saying I need to warm up with a few hours of another steam game, and I might have a few hours where it won't update again so I can stream.
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04:06:54 Devastator: and I had it update earlier this week.
04:15:55 Devastator: "It is not possible to prevent Steam client updates from being downloaded while the client is in 'Offline' mode."
04:16:40 sy: Huh. Software which doesn't let the user be foolish and not update it. Nice;
04:18:45 Devastator: Well.. what does it do for me again?
04:20:20 Devastator: anyway, time to just block it.
04:23:11 Devastator: It's fine if it's blocked after the game is started. Doesn't blink at that.
04:23:22 Devastator: and that stops any current downloads going on for the duration.
04:32:34 ER: dammit ornstein, stop dodging!
04:37:35 sy: I'mma... I'mma just leave you to that. Kill 'em dead,
ER,
syv sleep now.
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04:44:35 ER: bah, enough of that bullshit anyways
04:46:39 ER: didn't you say that last level was the last time you were going to vote for making sydney bigger?
04:46:52 ER: you just really want to be big, huh?
04:48:17 Devastator: Last time I said I wanted to do one more after it.
04:48:26 Devastator: Armour didn't come up, which is what I would have preferred.
04:48:42 Devastator: It's toughness that I'd prefer.
04:49:06 Devastator: After that I'd probably choose faster mana regen, because it's a base upgrade instead of something fancy.
04:49:15 Devastator: instead of more arm.
04:49:48 Devastator: So since I'd prefer more mana to more arm, I'm okay with the 1-1 split on physical upgrades.
04:50:17 ER: Not gonna make the arm situation better by ignoring it
04:50:55 ER: right now we're effectively one-armed unless specifically using the demon arm for crushing or wormsing
04:51:07 ER: they don't work together at all
04:51:09 Devastator: Yeah, but more arm leaves us still one armed.
04:51:29 Devastator: because even with more arm, demon arm is still only good for crushing or wormsing.
04:51:44 Devastator: It'd be better at crushing, yes.
04:53:23 ER: it would mean that we're able to actually use it with oversized equipment, without being limited by shoulder strength.
04:54:18 Devastator: If you want oversized equipment, why not just get bigger?
04:54:22 ER: Could use a sodding big shield in that arm, or solo a heavy crossbow, or use it together with the other arm for a really big sword or such.
04:54:40 ER: Because getting bigger doesn't let us do that.
04:55:01 Devastator: Yeah it does. Sword gets bigger, etc.
04:55:11 ER: We've reached diminishing returns on that, and your response is to keep going
04:55:25 Devastator: I was hoping armour would just let us block with the big hand, no shield needed.
04:55:55 ER: if you're going to upgrade base stats, at least go for the one that says "drastically" rather than "slightly"
04:56:13 Devastator: That's a fair point.
04:56:16 Devastator: let me reread that.
04:58:11 Devastator: Yours says 'a bit farther.'
04:58:22 Devastator: Mine says 'not as dramatically.'
04:58:38 Devastator: Yeah, it'd let us put something really big in that arm, but it just seems less useful than being tougher overall.
04:59:04 ER: mine explicitly solves a problem that we've had in writing already
05:00:11 Devastator: Yeah, to be replaced with new problems, not having the spine and collarbone to support the heavy arm.
05:01:16 Devastator: I don't know. If the problem is that we can't have a big enough sword, why wouldn't just getting bigger help with that?
05:01:28 Devastator: I really am doing it to be tougher, though, not so much stronger on offense.
05:02:19 ER: Because we're not getting bigger anymore, and if everything grows equally we STILL have problems with the relitive size of our body.
05:02:32 Devastator: We don't have gluttony, after all, so we aren't going to need to eat people with our hand in any case.
05:03:19 Devastator: ..Sidney isn't getting bigger anymore? There's natural growth just from living.
05:03:56 Devastator: what it says is 'not as much as last time', but that's pretty reasonable. I wouldn't take it a third time.
05:06:37 Devastator: I'd probably take fertile if not muscle up. Adapt would be in the top five.
05:07:30 Devastator: I would also prefer glowy backhands to encroaching growth, in any case.
05:08:02 ER: so that we can hit things slightly harder with our awkward and crippled limb?
05:08:30 Devastator: Yeah. It's a giant claw-hand. Going for dexterity is a bit of a fail.
05:10:22 Devastator: I'm okay with it just being a weapon. Instead of holding a giant sword in it, just hit things with the claw-hand itself.
05:10:37 Devastator: put the shield in the other hand.
05:22:11 Devastator: I might change it to fertile tomorrow.
05:24:47 Devastator: Tbh, the offensive upgrade I want is improved poison on spiderlings.
05:25:30 ER: ...when have we ever used spiderlings in an offensive capacity?
05:42:12 Devastator: when they saved our life.
05:42:21 Devastator: in general we haven't used them much.
05:42:30 Devastator: and when we stung cyber-orc.
05:43:49 Devastator: stinging people to eat them from inside-out is very potent.
06:04:20 Devastator: 11 kill, 939 damage, OT-38/mac-10 round.
06:04:24 Devastator: Those weapons remain absurdly fun.
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18:32:37 Devastator: well, looks like you got another vote for the arm.
20:25:47 Devastator: and I got one more for muscle up, heh.
20:55:22 Devastator: had four punch kills in a round.
20:55:29 Devastator: all of them had guns. It was glorious.
20:59:31 Devastator: It also featured me forcing someone armed to retreat away from my fists for long enough so I could use a medkit at almost no health.
21:00:31 Devastator: to be fair, that was the fourth guy and he saw me kill the first three, and took a few punches already.
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22:26:25 midnightjaguar: Huh. I see dubs has a new game out
22:26:56 ER: Join now and ask "Clate" to stick you with a crystal toothpick.
22:27:07 ER: I think you'll enjoy the results~
22:27:53 midnightjaguar: Am I going to end up makeing Trier 2.0?
22:28:18 ER: Alternatively you could do something that's not that.
22:28:44 ER: Be a lizard person with 8 prehensile tongues!
22:29:19 midnightjaguar: .....why do I need 8 prehensile tounges?
22:30:10 ER: To feel your way around caves with zero light, of course.
22:31:12 ER: When your jaw is opened all the way, it goes at a 180 degree angle and you can't see ahead of yourself anymore, but you'll have all those tongues to navigate by.
22:31:32 midnightjaguar: I suppose that would actually be useful
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23:13:38 Devastator: so the star-nosed mole method of travel?
23:14:10 ER: they're migratory cave lizards
23:25:07 Devastator: Pretty odd life, that is.
23:25:25 Devastator: dig around, bump into stuff, eat it when it's edible, ignore it when it isn't, keep digging.
23:35:45 Devastator: Looks like those armoured cars are more low-profile models.
23:37:30 Devastator: Doesn't include the engine compartment or the underside, except below the front passenger seats.
23:41:43 Devastator: I was expecting a security van, personally.
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