00:46:43 Devastator: apparently people got better in survivor.
00:46:47 Devastator: I'm not winning every other round anymore.
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01:04:35 syv: @
Dev Sawnoff, Model 29, Schnell thing, and M79 are the only rares that spawn in MvW. I may have forgotten one, but I think that's it. Also! There is difficulty scaling in later stages. It seems to purely come in the form of more troops; first map has 70, the hardest maps have 150. MP multiplies this by 150%, so the hardest maps in co-op would have 225 soldiers to kill.
01:04:56 Devastator: First map had more than 70.
01:05:01 Devastator: did they drop it in later versions?
01:05:06 Devastator: I'd expect around 80 in 1.4
01:05:43 Devastator: 225 soldiers is a lot.
01:06:39 syv: Maybe. I could also just have misunderstood the code; it might be something like "Stop populating the map with extra patrols once you've hit the max (70), but other required spawns are allowed." Or it does it in 20-man megasquads, though that seems doubtful unless the programmers simply didn't understand how it would work.
01:06:54 syv: They probably just lowered the initial map population.
01:07:09 Devastator: I'm assuming the model 29 is the revolver?
01:07:33 syv: The Schnell thing is also called a M712 in the files, which confused me.
01:09:06 Devastator: So would you like to continue that sometime?
01:09:28 syv: Ahh, and MvW MP also apparently has a very covenient player count increase variable. Not sure if setting it to 8 or something would break it (other parts seem to assume there's two players), but I think it would work. It would also multiple enemy count by 300% from base. :P
01:11:22 Devastator: When would work for you?
01:11:40 syv: Weekend, around the same time as today.
01:14:50 ER: I should ask you to accompany me to the godforsaken zombie infested swamp more often,
syv.
01:15:58 Devastator: Need more explosions in 888th.
01:16:17 ER: how does "drive forwards, and stab the fuck outta anyone other than the cripple who tries to enter the tank" sound?
01:17:39 Devastator: is a sawnoff any good?
01:18:24 syv: It's basically like any other shotgun, but it fires 10 pellets (rather than six), has ~20% more range, and only two shots.
01:19:54 syv: That is Running With Rifles logic.
01:20:06 syv: If it's rare, it's arbitrarily better for no reason.
01:20:50 syv: P90? Fires tiny little bullets meant only to penetrate armor? Let's give it higher lethality, rate of fire, and recoil control than assault rifles!
01:20:58 ER: I mean, that sounds maybe slightly plausable if it's just a double-barrel.
01:21:13 syv: It's a one handed double barrel, so...
01:22:17 Devastator: miniguns are less lethal than machine guns.
01:22:40 syv: You can get a musket which is a sniper machine gun.
01:23:10 Devastator: What I'd like is an F2000 in MvW.
01:23:32 syv: You can't have it without modding, but why?
01:23:59 Devastator: Just a solid assault rifle. Since I can't have a sniper.
01:24:55 syv: Ah. Basically ALL the rare ARs are solid. I think the AKS is the only one that isn't, but it has a really high RoF to compensate, and also probably makes you run faster.
01:26:02 syv: The primary benefit of carrying a medkit is that it makes you run 10% faster than when you're holding nothing.
01:26:10 Devastator: though looking at the stats, a MG42 would be a stupidly good weapon.
01:26:21 syv: It is indeed a silly game.
01:26:30 syv: Yes, the MG42 is basically a laser.
01:26:51 syv: The AA12 just kinda decimates everything in the general direction that you're shooting.
01:27:04 syv: The MG42 actually requires you to aim, so it's inferior/
01:28:28 Devastator: There are, sadly, no lazors.
01:29:31 Devastator: How long does the musket take to reload?
01:29:53 syv: A little while. It has a special ani,ation and everything.
01:32:38 Devastator: does it require you to stand up?
01:35:24 syv: I don't think so? I'm pulling up the game just to check.
01:37:51 syv: You actually can't lay down with it. And the reload takes a looong time. Your char visibly goes through all the motions of loading a musket.
01:38:11 Devastator: That said, you can lay down with a loaded musket..
01:38:21 Devastator: you just have to stand up to reload it.
01:38:21 syv: You have to lay down for the MG42.
01:42:25 Devastator: sadly, it seems people got better in that survivor game.
01:43:45 syv: I presume you don't mean the reality show.
01:51:39 Devastator: murdered a guy with a perfectly thrown grenade.
01:51:43 Devastator: blew up right on his head.
01:52:44 ER: Not sure you should be telling us these IRL exploits of yours,
dev~
01:55:33 syv: Nah, that's not IRL.
Dev lives in backwoods Canada, which is itself backwoods America. He can't get grenades.
01:55:50 Devastator: Grenades aren't hard to get.
01:56:49 Devastator: goddamn it, I punch someone to death who had a shotgun, and of course, there's someone else right behind him.
01:57:04 ER: Just send an order via amazon and they'll have a drone carry down a crate of frags from their giant floating warehouse.
01:57:27 ER: It's good living in the cyberpunk timeline.
02:02:34 syv: Grenades aren't hard to get,
Dev? Really now?
02:03:23 syv: Why do you know this fact, and why do you have confidence in it?
02:03:35 Devastator: ..because I know a guy who has a case of them?
02:06:58 ER: Oooooooh, THAT is what Wiellste needs to be building.
02:06:59 Devastator: no, I don't know, then.
02:07:10 ER: No way this idea can go horribly wrong.
02:08:24 ER: I don't remember there being many grenade mishaps in
ER, and they were cheaply available, so they're obviously completely safe.
02:10:34 Devastator: That's mostly because nobody used them for anything, everything died too quickly for that to happen.
02:11:49 ER: Players are usually pretty durable, so we should get grenades and throw them at divers.
02:12:05 Devastator: That might well work, actually.
02:13:52 Devastator: then fix up your teammates.
02:15:07 Devastator: well, no worries, after all if they were that weak, you can just get new divers.
02:15:28 ER: The new divers get grenaded too
02:19:08 Devastator: I'm waiting for a downside.
02:19:45 Devastator: more kaboom, more dead characters, no downside.
02:38:37 ER: Are you expecting me to say that gibbed divers is a downside?
02:40:23 Devastator: Well, yeah, usually you're pro magic.
02:46:53 Devastator: update on the A button challenge.
04:00:35 syvAFK: "the 120 star ABC run takes 23 A presses, consisting of 18 unique A presses."
04:00:56 syvAFK: I guess that means five are repeated, due to multiple runs through the same place?
04:01:07 Devastator: Yeah, there are some jumps done more than once.
04:01:50 syvAFK: Does there exist a full run of the game, with those 23 presses, on video anywhere?
04:03:32 Devastator: I think it's coming soonish.
04:04:56 Devastator: 52 hours, 13 minutes.
04:07:05 Devastator: The zero-press run will take longer, actually.
04:07:10 syvAFK: I assume a lot of that time is spent just building speed, and so could be skipped.
04:07:34 Devastator: raising scuttlebugs and cloning coins seem to be the big ones, although building speed is also a thing.
04:07:38 syvAFK: Is a proper zero-press run possible?
04:08:47 Devastator: Yes, assuming it's done on the Wii VC version.
04:09:02 Devastator: 70 stars are gotten.
04:11:40 syv: Dark Souls without pressing A.
04:12:12 syv: I think that might be impossible since you need to press it to place the lordvessel.
04:12:26 syv: Play on PC, and use the keyboard.
04:13:02 syv: Dark Souls, except you can only press buttons in time with awesome electro remixes of all the background songs.
04:13:58 syv: Though, honestly, it'd just turn into yet another zweihander 2hr2 run. :(
04:14:41 syv: Hmm. Maybe if running/jogging were also disabled. You permanently walk, so you have to roll everywhere, and roll in time with the music. THAT would be a proper challenge.
04:15:19 ER: Rolling is too slow for necrodancer music
04:16:19 syv: Speefhack the game to run at 2x speed.
04:19:49 ER: how does modding dark souls work again? :P
04:20:39 syv: Otherwise, unpackers, or occasionally executables.
04:20:59 syv: I've got a ton of mods for it, just ask and I'll hook you up, man.
04:21:52 ER: I just think that a proper dancing mod might be more difficult than about anything that already exists.
04:22:53 ER: Are there any mods that totally change how the player moves?
04:23:46 syv: Really it would just need an interrupt between the input and game. Might be easiest to have an overlay program that eats the input and then forwards it to the game if it's valid, or stuns your character if it's not.
04:24:30 syv: Should actually be relatively simple, compared to rolly souls, slip 'n' souls, or Scorched Contract.
04:26:14 Devastator: DS has pretty robust input buffering on it already.
04:26:19 Devastator: Should be hackable.
04:29:20 syv: DaS has horrific internal mechanics.
04:29:33 syv: The game is a broken, clumsy, horrible mess on the inside.
04:44:59 ER: The way I see dancin' souls working would take out walking/running, replace that input with a backstep that goes in the direction you push the analogue stick.
04:46:04 ER: Maybe make med and slow rolls faster to complete, but still with bad Iframes and distance covered.
04:47:35 syv: Oh, that reminds me. I want a Dark Souls mod which disables i-frames, and significantly lowers the effectiveness of all shields.
04:47:39 ER: Each backstep you make on the beat, your stamina gague goes up a tic. If you trip or do something off-beat, you lose all stamina
04:48:22 syv: Like, Protection % being the stability number, rather than just 100%. Maybe half that, since blocking is calculated so favorably in DaS.
04:48:36 syv: Ooh, another great idea,
ER!
04:48:41 syv: You're better at this than me.
04:49:28 Devastator: I'd also buff the little dodge move.
04:49:44 syv: "little dodge"? Do you mean backstep?
04:52:49 Devastator: Give it big poise or something when done properly.
04:53:02 syv: Backsteps already have infinite poise.
04:53:11 Devastator: I don't know, you know a thousand times as much as I do about DS.
04:53:14 syv: You can backstep through *anything*.
04:53:46 syv: It's a common trick to backstep through the rolling boulders in Sen's when trying to go through the place fast.
04:53:53 ER: Except for anything that would kill you, because you take extra damage while backstepping.
04:54:21 ER: still a little odd for a "dodge" move
04:54:26 syv: ...But yes. It's not super useful in most situations.
04:55:00 syv: Backsteps also do have i-frames. Like, two. Or maybe one. It is very, very difficult to actually use them. It. Possible, though.
04:55:04 ER: mostly want to use it for quick access to the running attack
04:55:42 syv: Ravioli steps (freeaimed backsteps) are also quite functional in PvP, used properly.
04:59:19 Devastator: Why are they called ravioli steps?
05:00:17 syv: Because ravioli is delicious.
05:00:52 syv: Why are burrito parries called burrito parries?
05:13:46 Devastator: because they're round and full of meat?
05:16:23 syv: Shadows Die Twice looks awesome.
05:18:18 syv: I am really not sure how to feel about the Assassin's Creed-y looks, though.
05:20:17 Devastator: It'll be about.. brooding.
05:21:41 ER: I look forwards to playing the whole game by sneaking around rooftops and not bothering with enemies. :P
05:22:21 syv: I look forward to actually playing a Souls game when the multiplayer is first active.
05:24:03 ER: As far as I know, the multiplayer involves turning into an enemy in the invadee's world?
05:24:47 ER: I'm more excited about the doom eternal multiplayer, which is similar to that.
05:25:30 ER: Sekiro seems like much more of a singleplayer action game than DS's wierd semi-online RPG style.
05:26:25 ER: Apparantly you can toggle an option in doom eternal that lets a small group of online players become the demons you're fighting.
05:29:07 Devastator: Imagine a space-sim where all the enemies are players.
05:29:57 syv: aka the hilariously effective scam
05:31:22 Devastator: No, that only pretends to be a space sim.
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05:47:45 Devastator:
syv wants me to make Nan into a catgirl.
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06:05:19 midnightjaguar: I’ll be back. I finally have WiFi
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16:40:40 Devastator: It does make me wish one thing, though.
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17:57:38 parisbre56: hey,
syv, is there a reason you want so many weapons in dig?
17:57:45 parisbre56: are you planning on sharing?
17:58:00 parisbre56: hanging an armory sign from your neck? :P
17:58:15 ER: I imagine he likes having lots of things to hit things with.
17:58:19 parisbre56: or are you going to start throwing them?
17:58:37 ER: This is a strategy I also employ sometimes
17:58:52 ER: see: my pathfinder 2 character build. >.>
17:59:00 parisbre56: well, I suppose there's always the danger of them being eaten by an alien, but still
18:00:13 ER: monk is good at punching, so I'd better bring along a crossbow in case I need range, and a spear in case I need reach, and a dagger in case I need slicing or to throw something.
18:01:37 parisbre56: that's why you need combination weapons.
18:01:57 parisbre56: and the spear folds to become a knife
18:02:18 ER: Ah, but then if I drop the thing I have nothing.
18:02:43 ER: ...Except my punches, which are the point of my class, but WHAT IF I NEED A WEAPON!?
18:03:04 parisbre56: I'd complain that you'd need a small caravan to carry all your stuff
18:03:14 parisbre56: but with the stats pcs have
18:03:29 parisbre56: it's not unreasonable
18:05:00 Devastator: going to be streaming Dark Souls III tomorrow evening, if you'd care to watch.
18:06:12 parisbre56: hm... evening for you is early in the morning for me, I think. if I'm awake at the time, then sure
18:06:53 Devastator: about 31 hours from now, time-wise.
18:07:08 Devastator: although since
PW bought me the game, I reserve the right to delay it until he's available.
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21:13:01 Devastator: God, they added weapons better than the last superweapons.
21:15:29 ER: Rifle: more useful than magical powers.
21:28:36 Devastator: Watch it all the way through.
21:31:40 ER: in russia, road paints truck
21:58:20 Devastator: I was thinking of having everyone sing or something to drown out the music.
22:09:35 Devastator: punched someone to death in a hiding spot that I never saw.
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22:20:30 Devastator: oh come on, a guy with the .556mm machine gun, a guy with the saiga-12, and a third guy with the upgraded sniper rifle.
22:20:38 Devastator: Yes, the players are better, but dammit.
22:20:47 syv:
parisbre56[Away], Nyw is grabbing so many weapons as backups, basically. His murakumo is fragile, and the cleaver is the strongest available weapon that isn't being requested by someone who can really use it. The two daggers weren't otherwise wanted, and serve as backups to the cleaver; two for potential dual-wielding, or maybe throwing if you can use str for that. The Ethral rifle is because we have more of them than pe
22:21:43 syv: Also, the entire character is just one big reference to Dark Souls, and therefore he wants to collect many and varied melee weapons. It's his only personal desire, really, why not let him have that?
22:22:28 ER: Dark souls character: collect all weapons and armor and spells regardless of your ability or desire to use them
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22:31:17 syv: Wow, I received my own message.
22:34:32 ER: [6:34 PM] Yottawhat: Thanks
sy
22:46:13 syv: This game takes SO LONG to load. -.-
22:49:40 syv: I get 17 FPS on this game now, with very low graphics settings.
22:52:10 syv: Now, to use it, or save it?
23:44:55 syv: Dyung to basic mobs after killing the boss...
23:47:58 ER: didn't even hear players that time
23:48:15 syv: I don't think there were any. Did wallhack see anything?
23:48:57 ER: guess we dropped into an empty map, kill the boss, and got rekt anyway
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