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00:20:36 Piecewise: you ready to do some more slaying of demons?
00:20:44 Piecewise: Because moku tried to dive
00:21:05 syv: 90% of the reason I said Nyw would guard.
00:21:11 Devastator: Has
syv managed to kill everyone due to explosive collars yet?
00:21:21 Eternal_Revenant: the fighter's work is never done, when the wizards are fucking around
00:21:35 Eternal_Revenant: LIGHT, BLESS MY ALLIES TO STOP MESSING AROUND!
00:22:01 syv: Nah, we got out scot free. No deaths, except for Wiellste. But she got better.
00:22:14 syv: I'm totally gonna scratch this into the bore's wall, though.
00:22:59 Devastator: Plus you didn't get to blow up people in 888th!
00:24:43 syv: Well, I already bypassed one mission by way of proxy satchel charge. Can't win 'em all.
00:25:01 Piecewise:
Dev: It was a tutorial mission meant to explain mechanics more than anything. And they still managed to get pretty mangled and lose limbs
00:26:06 Devastator: That was due to one person fighting and everyone else running away from the fight as hard as they could, dammit.
00:28:36 syv: To be fair, your enemy was specifically doing her best to distract them.
00:30:16 Devastator: Yeah, you know, though.
00:32:01 syv: Murdoc didn't go off alone this time, so the others seem to learn, at least.
00:32:39 Devastator: Yeah. Now lets get out of the music zone.
00:32:45 Devastator: Or blow up the speaker.
00:36:19 Eternal_Revenant: No really though, y'all need a Pure.
00:36:57 Eternal_Revenant: Immaculate soul!
00:37:07 Eternal_Revenant: It's a good power, honest! :v
00:38:06 Devastator: There's only four of us.
00:38:41 Eternal_Revenant: five, because at this rate the ak girl is gonna get things done better than the rest of you
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00:41:28 Eternal_Revenant: also NYW HELP
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01:00:47 Eternal_Revenant: Also, I just noticed that Moku rolled a 20 for nerve, and 1 for material on that dive. That's the same combo of rolls that Wiellste got.
01:01:21 Devastator awaits the dead bodies to cheer over.
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01:10:06 Devastator: Could do some MoO, although I think
Piecewise wouldn't care to watch.
01:12:05 syv: I mean he's here, you could stream DaS.
01:12:16 syv: Hyper Light Drifter would also work~
01:15:49 Devastator: That's for
RC, since he was complaining about how everything was boring.
01:18:48 syv: Not for me, since I was specifically requesting it? :(
01:22:14 Eternal_Revenant: I now appreciate
syv playing strength builds
01:25:07 syv: Oh, Evil Rotisserie. I've been playing DSR, and something possessed me to try using the greataxe as my primary weapon.
01:25:37 syv: It is the worst weapon I've tried to use in the whole game, except possibly for the broken straight sword. I'm not entirely sure.
01:25:56 Eternal_Revenant: well you're wrong, but okay
01:26:08 Eternal_Revenant: you're just a dex casul
01:26:14 syv: It is so, so, so painfully slow. And even worse, it is so freaking short. Like gaash.
01:26:47 Piecewise: ds3's version is better
01:26:55 Eternal_Revenant: You get in something's face, then wait a second, then do one billion damage. I don't see what the problem is here~
01:27:06 syv: The zwei, the zwei is nice, it has so much range, especially on the 2HR2. Even the greatclubs, which use the same moveset have a lot of range--further extended by the shockwave stun effect.
01:27:35 syv: It's MADE for trading, except it's not even good at that because I can trade a million times better with a rapier, or hell, a fracking pickaxe.
01:28:03 Eternal_Revenant: Though I beat the game mostly using the Dragon King axe, which makes GIANT EXPLOSIONS as its r2
01:28:17 syv: Yeah, that would be a world better.
01:28:40 syv: I don't even think the 2hr2 does more dps than the 2hr1.
01:29:12 syv: It pancakes, but... like, the jump attack does, too, and it's FASTER.
01:29:33 syv: It's not burst though because the r1 comes out faster, sustains better, and commits less.
01:29:40 syv: It's, like, entirely better in every way.
01:29:56 Eternal_Revenant: but it does more damage
01:30:04 Eternal_Revenant: IT DOES MORE DAMAGE
SYv
01:30:18 syv: Yeah, but like 40% more, not 200% more.
01:30:34 Eternal_Revenant: you beat the game by doing damage to the enemy, so doing lots of damage at once makes that simpler.
01:30:40 syv: And it feels like it takes ~75% longer?
01:31:14 syv: The rolling attack is the only good move it has, really. The WR R1 is decent, but not good.
01:31:45 syv: But it feels so cheap to just constantly roll so my attacks are actually acceptably fast, rather than as a defense.
01:31:54 syv: The weapon just feels so... *wrong*.
01:32:32 syv: And I've done PvP with dual murakumos! It's more wrong than THAT!
01:33:19 syv: I am a dex casual who rarely plays PvE with less than 24 str. Yeaaah.
01:41:38 Piecewise: I'll go do a great ax ds3 run real fast and tell you how it goes.
01:42:04 Devastator: This weapon sucks, it took me 15 whole minutes.
02:03:35 syv:
Piecewise, how's that DaS run going?
02:04:08 Eternal_Revenant: should update that death plane, but one player hasn't posted at all, and the other player doesn't have any actions, just posts trying to explain that they can *totally* create a star using only the "create a small amount of mass" ability.
02:05:18 Eternal_Revenant: I also don't feel bloodthirsty enough today :(
02:39:30 Devastator: Like that one about the swedish crown jewels recently.
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03:18:26 Devastator: so how'd the run go,
Piecewise?
03:38:25 Piecewise: I was called away to play a board game
03:38:35 Piecewise: and then to help a guy on my friend list
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04:49:06 Devastator: Been fighting it out in MoO.
04:49:17 Devastator: Relatively easy game, overall. Not usually this easy.
04:52:41 Devastator: Did get some bad luck from a couple of tech steals, but so it goes.
04:53:02 Devastator: (hit every weapon except the one I wanted. 1/3 odds.)
04:55:25 Devastator: Was missing a better missile than Hyper-X. Decided not to backtrack to get Merculites, which would, in theory, have helped. Lost a fully built up world due to not having big enough nukes from my missile bases.
05:35:15 Piecewise:
ER that light font hurts my eyes so badly that I'm going to put myself to sleep
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16:20:57 Devastator: Like Twinwolf there.
16:21:02 Devastator: What if it's the witch?
16:21:06 Devastator: Then shoot the witch, dude.
16:21:44 syv: Oh. I wanted to clarify, Alida's dragging people towards the music, alongside the river, right?
16:22:12 Devastator: No, I'm dragging people away from the music.
16:22:18 Devastator: in another direction.
16:23:04 syv: I'm honestly not sure if that's sarcastic.
16:23:19 syv: There's actually stuff in other directions, so it's actually relevant.
16:25:01 Devastator: I'm not being sarcastic.
16:25:13 Devastator: Alida wants to get people away from the music.
16:25:23 Devastator: maybe not absolutely away, but in a diffrent direction.
16:25:35 syv: Okay, so generally away, that works.
16:25:37 Devastator: The last witch wasn't right next to the centre of the web, maybe this one isn't.
16:26:00 Devastator: well, it eventually showed up there after it got partly blown up.
16:27:39 syv: She came down after the wireman was killed, because she felt the need to protect the cable trap things. Before that, she was just casting abilities to distract people. And was right above the boxes, not that anyone looked up.
16:28:31 Devastator: ..didn't Alida look up when she was leaping all about?
16:29:39 syv: I honestly don't recall. If she did, she failed a spot check.
16:29:54 Devastator: Yeah, she's bad at spot.
16:30:40 Devastator: I remember you saying something about rifles and running while equipped with them.
16:31:17 syv: ...I knew I forgot something. I'll have to download that onto this comp if you want to play.
16:32:22 Devastator: I'm fine with it, if you'd like to play.
16:33:16 Devastator: Got a phone call from one of those computer support scammers.
16:33:24 Devastator: Guy hung up when I said I didn't have a windows kay.
16:34:32 syv: Hmm. Usually I troll telemarketers, if I'm not busy when they call. It's fun.
16:34:34 Devastator: I'm not prepared for fucking about properly with someone like that, (no VMs, etc.), but I'm sure I could have done something.
16:35:02 Devastator: Still, was amused that his script can't handle that, when there is a hotkey to open the start menu.
16:35:25 Devastator: Wasn't lying about the windows key, either.
16:36:05 syv: I don't think most of the scammers really have any idea what they're doing.
16:36:37 syv: Even if they do, it's prolly just easier to just not think and always follow the script. Those are the sad ones to talk to.
16:37:16 syv: Last time I got a call (they were selling vacations or something), I was very tempted to grab a pistol, go outside, and fake being murdered. But I thought about it and decided that could be a very bad idea.
16:37:18 Devastator: Yeah. I would have talked him into at least telling me what the next step is, but he just hung up when he figured out that I didn't have a windows key.
16:37:38 Devastator: That's fine, the scammers don't actually have your phone number,
syv.
16:38:15 Devastator: Well, they do, but the guys on the line don't see it. It's stuck in software somewhere, and it would take probably half an hour to find it, if they cared enough.
16:39:16 Devastator: I can't guarantee such a thing, they could have put it visible on the guy's screen, since scammers aren't ethical about such things, but that would take some programming, and I don't think they'd bother with it.
16:39:34 syv: It's still not exactly smart, but... geh, I'm tempted. Maybe someday if I get a good one and I feel up to it.
16:40:52 Devastator: tbh,
syv, I haven't had one of those go far enough with me that I even know how to fake them out.
16:41:10 Devastator: Although I did get one a few years ago who I got pretty good.
16:42:26 Devastator: 'Okay, if you are really seeing something from me, you should be able to read out what my external I.P. is, as well as what port the offending machine is on. I've got those right in front of me now, so go tell me.'
16:42:51 syv: I always play along as an idiot who trusts them absolutely.
16:43:20 Devastator: I was going to comply last time, but the guy didn't get beyond 'I don't have a start key', which was entirely the truth.
16:44:11 syv: Usually I express a lot of interest in something they aren't actually giving. "Oh, a free vacation?! Awesome, I've always wanted to go to Belgium!" "Uhh, we only have vacations to [list of US cities]." "But why? Belgium's awesome!"
16:44:37 syv: Most hang up right about there, but some will continue to try.
16:45:13 syv: I've virtually never been called by vitus-hawking people, for whatever reason.
16:46:34 Devastator: The guy then spelled out fuck you, I responded by saying that it's my computer, not his, and he shouldn't get mad at me for wanting to keep my money.
16:47:15 Devastator: From what I understand, they look at your computer for anything worth money, and install a keylogger and some kind of botnet program.
16:47:44 Devastator: which will then give them your online banking and e-mail stuff and saved passwords, etcetera.
16:49:56 syv: Hmm. Can't really think of any way to troll them, 'cept for just acting amazingly incompetent.
16:50:09 Devastator: agg, reading a report by a terrible player playing MoO.
16:51:12 Devastator: Never do that. Max out your home planet and then build colony ships, unless you're the meklar with their double max factories.
16:52:31 Devastator: yeah, reading the report shows that the guy lost a turn on every colony ship after the first one that was being built there due to the bad choices.
16:53:42 syv: ...Okay! I don't really know why, but he sure does sound like a not-great player!
16:53:45 Devastator: I'll get the RwR server started, if you're ready.
16:54:24 Devastator: basically,
syv, he has population not working factories on his second planet, and factories without people on his home planet, and instead of moving people from the second planet to fill up the homeworld, he decided not to worry about such things.
16:54:48 syv: I wonder why the downloaded version on *this* computer has the music and correct keybinds, while the same downloaded file on the other has the music disabled and the modded keybinds.
16:55:30 syv: Keybinds are stored somewhere else, sure, but I was 90% sure I removed the music by deleting the song from this package.
17:18:09 Devastator: didn't matter, I would have died from full health.
17:18:20 Devastator: slipped over the wall, there was a lying down guy with a machine gun staring right at me.
17:19:11 Devastator: yeah, wasn't expecting that.
17:19:26 Devastator: I put visibility on because I'm annoyed.
17:39:40 syv: Damn. I'm not used to the APC coming down when I shoot from that hill.
17:39:45 Devastator: see? You can die right away if you take more than one hit.
17:39:52 Devastator: Yeah, it can do that. I was a bit too far away from the ridge to get back over it.
17:40:38 syv: FYI, that's why commandeering the APC is really bad idea. AIs pull out rockets for vehicles, and rockets are very very deadlu.
17:40:55 syv: Only use I ever get out of vehicles is moveable cover to setup before a fight.
17:41:25 Devastator: give me five and then I'll restart.
17:41:33 Devastator: It's restarted, but I want five minutes before going again.
17:43:20 syv: I checked the MG stats, and yeah, the PKM has 42% the accuracy of an AR (the M240 has 57%), and 63% lethality rate.
17:43:59 Devastator: It's the penalty for usable by privates, I guess.
17:44:07 syv: Also, the lowest RoF. It's purely made for suppression, y'ain't killing anyone with that thing.
17:44:19 syv: Except Privates don't want it because it's still worse than an AK...
17:44:21 Devastator: okay, lets get going.
17:44:26 Devastator: AKs aren't that good either.
17:44:37 syv: Nope. Least they hit what you point them at.
18:21:31 Devastator: map changes restart the server.
18:21:41 Devastator: I'll leave it open. Shoot or something when you come back so I'll hear you, ok?
19:00:03 Devastator: Yeah, that worked pretty well.
19:00:21 syv: I'm rather surprised that the run I used a shotgun on was the one we did well on.
19:00:55 Devastator: Don't worry, I"m not going to pistol only like I did a lot with
ER in that battle royale game.
19:01:05 Devastator: basically I used nothing but the worst two weapons. ;-p
19:01:15 Devastator: so is a deagle better than a 44 mag?
19:01:27 syv: The magunum's a powerful gun. I think the Deagle's worse, I'll check.
19:06:55 Devastator: seems range limited.
19:12:02 syv: Magnum has a shorter range, and is slightly less accurate (0.95 vs 1.0), but does massively more damage. 1.6 kill probability, which means 100% chance to kill normal soldiers, or take a pip of armor, and 60% chance to take a second pip of armor. ARs have about 0.55 kill probability, Deagle has 0.7.
19:12:37 syv: Magnum's also a primary, which is either bad or good depending on how you look at it. You can carry a pair of gustavs with the magnum, not so with the deagle.
19:12:53 Devastator: might fool around with it.
19:13:05 Devastator: I think we're against greenbelts this mission so I can get a M4 again.
19:13:18 Devastator: I'll stash that G36.
19:14:08 syv: The magnum has a damage fallof start at 28m, ends at 40m. ARs are ~34m-~70m, deagle is 44-66.
19:14:48 Devastator: That's worryingly short range.
19:14:52 syv: For comparison, the normal SRs have ranges of 55m at lowest.
19:15:05 Devastator: what's the falloff for a shotty?
19:15:51 syv: It probably has a bit longer range than those numbers would indicate, since if it's doing 30% damage it's just about in line with ARs. Still, yeah, it's not good at a range.
19:17:00 syv: Notably, a very short end falloff. Max range ~26, 27 for the Russian semiauto, because for some reason it needs to be unequivocably the best?
19:17:22 Devastator: well, they have the worst AR and MG.
19:17:37 syv: And the best standard weapon in the game, the SVD.
19:18:53 Devastator: I LIKE the psg-90 a lot.
19:19:58 syv: It's the best sniper if you want to act like an actual sniper, but the SVD is the best general-purpose rifle.
19:21:32 syv: ...Also, it's only barely the best. It weighs you down by 6%, rather than the 7% of the M24, which is otherwise identical.
19:23:23 syv: The Mp5SD isn't really that good. It has less range than the glock, which is what really counts when stealthy, and is worse than an AR once you're detected
19:23:25 Devastator: The Scar SSR is also really good.
19:23:39 syv: Oh, yes, many rares are amazing.
19:24:00 Devastator: Most of the time you aren't wholly undetected, so the silenced bit helps.
19:24:21 syv: My favorites are the VSS, which is the stealth god, and the AA12, which is the war god. There's better weapons, but they're far less common.
19:25:40 syv: Hah, Milkor MGL has a spawn chance of 0.00001%.
19:27:43 Devastator: Apparently the Lahti L-39 is rarer.
19:28:04 syv: I think it's the rarest? Unsure.
19:28:20 Devastator: a sniper with explosive rounds?
19:28:23 syv: It's a sniper rifle that overpenetrates, and can kill vehicles.
19:28:32 syv: But it fires painfully slowly.
19:29:39 Devastator: You've gotten one of them?
19:30:43 syv: I've modded all of them to be common, and played MvW with all the normally common-weapons removed.
19:31:30 syv: The AA12 is still pretty much the best thing, though the MG42 is basically a laser.
19:32:00 Devastator: I'm suprised there isn't an actual laser.
19:33:08 syv: Guess it's not the reference they wanted to make. There's a portable minigun, which is very underwhelming.
19:38:17 Devastator: "I wish I could breathe lasers like in Skyrim."
19:40:49 Devastator: So how many stages until we have to take out a tank in MvW?
19:42:15 syv: I don't think stage 3 has one, and it's one that has a lot of tanks in the normal game.
19:43:29 syv: I'm pretty disappointed with MvW's seeming lack of scaling, myself. I've been tempted to make a mod which scales up the enemy weapons as it goes on.
19:43:47 Devastator: For all I know, it does so heavily.
19:44:10 Devastator: I only have reached level 3 once, remember, and there's six more after that.
19:44:13 syv: Easy early on, they've got shotties and pistols, but later they get AA12s and Lahtis. That would be fun.
19:44:20 syv: I've reach three once, as well.
19:45:13 Devastator: I also don't think we've seen even on special weapon so far.. except for that pistol.
19:45:51 syv: Yeah, I am 100% certain the MvW uses the same system of random weapons as the rest of the game.
19:46:06 Devastator: except no basic snipers.
19:46:10 Devastator: and maybe no advanced snipers.
19:46:24 syv: There might be a level which has a lot of officers, or officers might gradually become more commonplace, but aside from that possibility it's the same.
19:46:26 Devastator: and bandages, apparently.
19:46:33 Devastator: Yeah, no officers either.
19:46:38 Devastator: I know they aren't that rare.
19:46:38 syv: Snipers work the same, they just have a lifetime of 0, so they despawn instantly.
19:46:56 Devastator: hmm, I wonder if it's possible to glitch that.
19:47:04 syv: The rares are also heavily restricted. It's impossible to get a VSS or AA-12.
19:47:16 Devastator: for the enemy, or for you?
19:47:33 Devastator: what rares are allowed?
19:53:04 Devastator: "Our empire is still so under-developed and our research on current projects still lagging far enough behind that my reach goals for the turn set aren't really even on the cards. By a similar token, I keep espionage down to a click or two (sometimes even none to squeeze the last drop of production out of the empire) in favor of other priorities. Obviously I was being over-optimistic there....
19:53:06 Devastator: ...So let's have at this!"
19:53:22 Devastator: Well, yeah, that's what happens when you do everything except build up your worlds, you end up unable to do anything.
19:53:39 syv: It's in the files somewhere, I'll look when I get home. They restricted for EVERYONE. Officers do spawn, just not with the fancy skins.
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19:54:49 Devastator: Umm.. I've seen fancy skinned officers in MvW before.
19:55:01 Devastator: did they take those out?
19:55:19 Devastator: (Also, some of the 'officers' are staff sergeant 1s, IIRC.)
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