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01:15:00 syv: So how're you doing on Scorched Contract?
01:18:08 syv: Aw. I'd really like to see how you deal with O&S.
01:19:26 syv: I highly doubt they'll be a wall for you, you're good at the game.
01:19:53 syv: Buuut they'll prolly be difficult, and I want to see how you deal with that.
01:22:29 ER: I don't think I've really picked up anything yet that will make the fight itself harder? Only thing really combat-relevent is poison and bleed resist, and biggiesmalls do neither
01:22:42 ER: depends what iron giant has for me
01:26:10 syv: Oh yeah, you didn't a vit-gouge build. That's bad news for Snorlax and Pikachu.
01:27:13 ER: who needs health when you have DEEPS
01:33:27 syv: But deeps means no shield, which means all dodging, which means ow.
01:34:27 ER: hah, you saw me using my shield :P
01:37:59 ER: I can take some engendering passivity if it means actually making progress in this mod ;P
01:38:53 syv: Oh, do you have hidden person?
01:39:27 syv: I'm pretty sure the mod significantly BUFFS hidden person, and it is invaluable. I grabbed it because why not, and it was amazing.
01:39:31 ER: that only costs like 3000 souls though, right?
01:39:52 ER: yeah, I could pick it up. already have light and 14 int
01:39:55 syv: 16 int though, I believe. Or maybe that was Remedy, which is also great.
01:40:24 ER: because that pissed me off slightly :V
01:41:31 syv: Have you cheesed Ceaseless yet?
01:43:50 syv: ...Huh, you can get the ring of fog from snuggly, by trading a skull lantern. I didn't realize that, that's awesome.
01:44:21 ER: don't really need one of those myself
01:44:49 ER: ...egghead means no sunlight maggot. even MORE glad that I got light, now :P
01:47:03 syv: I'm STILL salty about egghead. It really should've been a humanity auto-use, maybe auto-donate to the Fair Lady. That'd make more sense for Quelaag anyway, and would hurt more while allowing fashion.
01:47:54 ER: auto-donation would be amazing
01:48:56 syv: You get the shortcut unlocked without any work, yay!
01:49:14 syv: ...But it's impossible to kindle bonfires.
01:49:45 ER: hope you've already kindled undead parish~
01:50:08 ER: well if you can watch stream I can stream for you
01:50:10 syv: Undead Parish? Why that one?
01:55:06 syv: You know, if you poison the mosquitos, when they respawn they're still poisoned.
01:55:38 syv: I think you can actually deplete their spawns, but I'm unsure.
01:58:45 syv: You survived remarkably long there.
02:05:05 syv: Bouncy ASS still permakills skeletons.
02:14:52 syv: The nonviolent ones had their drops disabled.
02:15:14 syv: Fair, considering they can give divine blessings.
02:17:01 syv: And I thought the great scythe trivialized them. 0.0
02:18:37 ER: will chameleon or hidden weapon do anything for me in pve?
02:19:52 syv: Cham will, I believe, but I didn't try it.
02:20:02 syv: Hidden weapon is 100% cosmetic.
02:21:41 ER: "you seem to be doing alright"
02:21:50 ER: my head is literally an egg
02:22:02 syv: Yeah, and you're still walking around and talking.
02:22:19 syv: Considering you don't even have a visible face, that's pretty impressive.
02:27:26 syv: Yeah, even with a giant egg covdring your eyes.
02:29:52 syv: Might as well go get the chunks, if you're heading back.
02:30:07 syv: Would not recommend this course of action.
02:34:57 syv: Longsword is objectively inferior to BSS in every way, FYI. -.-
02:36:38 syv: Okay, fine, it has worse str scaling. Str is worse in general though so >:|
02:36:56 syv: And it has a better moveset, and less attack delay.
02:38:11 syv: You're a pyromancer, dex is your bread and butter.
02:51:58 syv: I snapped a poor screenshot.
02:52:12 syv: I've never seen an enemy catch on a wall quite like that.
02:54:22 syv: I do the same thing when I meet a mimic: Jam my hand into its mouth.
02:58:58 syv: Prism stones are just assholes that can stick to walls. -.-
03:00:21 ER: technically, all the prisim stone claims to do is that if it makes the sound, the fall is lethal
03:03:41 syv: Did you just... use the greatshield bash *effectively*?
03:04:08 syv: I have never seen that before, aside from shield-only runs.
03:05:03 syv: See, trying to bash and getting headshot for your trouble is much more typical.
03:06:26 ER: I mean, to be fair even when it worked I probably could have just waited till he hit me and used the heavy deflection
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03:25:39 syv:
ER's streaming the Scorched Contract mod.
03:26:10 syv: He's in tge middle of Sen's, he'll be going into Anor Londo soon, and then O&S.
03:41:22 syv: Did I miss the Iron Golem fight?
03:41:50 ER: then the snakes nearly killed me anyway after it died
03:42:12 syv: When I killed the Iron Golem I didn't even touch the golem myself. Just sniped the snakes and let Tarkus do his thing.
03:43:37 syv: Where are you going now...?
03:44:02 syv: I always kill him first thing. :\
03:44:26 ER: which is why I hadn't killed him already!
03:44:30 syv: You're getting all the good weapons I love...
03:44:50 syv: You better at least USE that damn thing.
03:45:19 syv: Maybe I should use the BKGA I got. Mreh.
03:48:29 ER: I'd never used that heavy move before
03:49:37 syv: The 1hr2 just gets you injured.
03:50:54 syv: ...Celebrating the BKS? Are you trying to earn an achievement while playing the challenge mod?
03:51:26 ER: no, celebrating winning that fight with a silly setup
03:55:10 midnightjaguar: That would be hilarious actually
03:55:38 syv: Told you they could oneshot you.
03:57:15 syv: He always takes forever to jump down, if I don't just shoot him.
04:01:42 midnightjaguar: Also I’m done with all my stuff for the summer. Yays!
04:02:48 ER: he really says that on 14 int?
04:03:27 syv: You're just a smidge too dumb~
04:04:10 ER: I'm smart enough to learn ancient sorcery from a different land! D:
04:04:51 ER: oh well, we know what the real best magic person is
04:04:56 syv: Oolacile mages probably got bullied all the time because their sorceries are for scrubs.
04:05:49 ER: I mean, technically but laurentius is just so nice
04:06:02 ER: also, that amendment is a jerk
04:06:14 syv: It's really a pity you can't summon for any bosses.
04:07:46 midnightjaguar: True. I can actually play dark souls now that I’ve got free time once more. :D
04:08:17 syv: Yeah, maybe you'll actually beat it.
04:08:27 midnightjaguar: That would be something
04:08:41 syv: Only four other games in the series after that.
04:09:06 midnightjaguar: I’ll take the one.
04:10:42 ER: local man is fucking invisible
04:14:21 syv: But yeah, Hidden Body normally isn't abywhere near that good.
04:14:46 midnightjaguar: Being invisible would be both fun and sucky at roughly the same time
04:15:47 syv: Biggest penalty is other people not seeing your eyes, and expression in general, I think
04:16:52 syv: A lot of the face would be identifiable by painting it, I think, but eyes are still an issue. Plus it'd be really annoying to have to paint your face every day.
04:17:45 syv: You really trust them chains.
04:18:50 ER: if I notice the mod maker being good enough to make a second kind of mimic that has the same chain as the normal chest, I'll be more impressed than upset. :P
04:24:32 Devastator: got some early slp.
04:24:36 Devastator: Shift timing change.
04:29:03 syv: Well, that's a climactic moment for the game to crash.
04:29:05 Devastator: Big Order of the Stick.
04:29:39 ER: not sure WHAT happened there, but back
04:29:48 syv:
MJ actually got me to read it, I haven't been following since the Godsmoot.
04:29:54 Devastator: I admit, I didn't see that coming.
04:30:00 Devastator: Heh. It's still pretty good.
04:30:13 syv: Nor did I. Honestly, kinda feels a bit deus ex-y.
04:30:14 Devastator: I don't think it's as good as Digger or Prequel, but it's still readable.
04:30:37 syv: It's also way nerdier and wordier, which is totally great.
04:31:33 midnightjaguar: Order of the stick is excellent
04:32:23 syv: ...
Dev, what other webcomics would you say are Digger/Prequel tier, or above?
04:32:41 Devastator: Other comics I've been reading have been deus ex-y to kill characters who aren't paid cameos, and thus have to die so nothing can continue to happen. A second one got all deus-exy to save a momentary fan-popular character, and reinforce the idea that the purpose of the strip is to accumulate as many meaningless side characters as possible. A third one assigned plot armour based on how...
04:32:43 Devastator: ...non-standard the relationship the characters are in.. the further from mainstream, the more immune the characters are.
04:32:50 Devastator: I don't have any others I consider on that tier,
syv.
04:33:20 Devastator: I'll take the OOTS level of save any day.
04:33:37 midnightjaguar: Which comics are these
dev?
04:33:41 syv: Get past everything flawlessly, then go back and get oneshot.
04:33:52 Devastator: I don't like to mention ones that I wouldn't recommend to people.
04:34:00 Devastator: I will if you ask in private.
04:34:48 ER:
dev ranting about the terrible furry comics that he reads for no reason
04:37:42 Devastator: Time isn't a reason?
04:40:52 syv:
Dev, have you read Berserk?
04:43:28 Devastator: Isn't there more than one?
04:43:45 syv: The one Dark Souls is based on, if so.
04:44:07 syv: From what I've read about it, it seems way more your style than random stupid webcomics.
04:44:29 Devastator: I've heard of that one, then.
04:46:05 syv: Huh. Egghead bite doesn't even break illusions?
04:50:45 syv: His left side is much safer than his right.
04:52:23 syv: You're going to get a channeler's trident before even meeting Seath, aren't you?
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05:00:17 syv: Yeah, that is EXACTLY the chest I would have made into a mimic.
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05:04:08 Devastator: I guess the
MJ is creeping up from behind.
05:05:14 MidJag: Well I mean how else do you ambush things?
05:05:31 syv: From above, right after drooling on them.
05:06:11 MidJag: Ah you youngwhipersnappers with your alien ways, no respect for tradition.
05:07:29 Devastator: From below, like that mole guy in ONE PUNCH MAN.
05:07:51 MidJag: I don't rember that one
05:10:30 syv: And Egan is slowly dying to Power Within while sitting at a bonfire.
05:12:16 Devastator: I don't blame you, Wombat was better. ;-p
05:25:08 syv: Gargoyles are smarter than demons, apparently.
05:27:30 Devastator: What about Gargoyls who are demons?
05:27:38 Devastator: Or demons who are gargoyles?
05:31:12 syv: Solaire's bonfire is closer. And easier.
05:33:06 syv: At least you didn't have many souls?
05:33:07 Devastator: death after boss kill?
05:33:21 syv: Come on, at least try O&S once? For me?
05:34:17 ER: ...I didn't lose anything from dying there. well, I lost my humanity
05:34:31 ER: but my 8000 souls are easy to retrieve
05:34:48 ER: I quit because I'm tired and don't want to be tilted
05:55:08 MidJag: huh, my computer just restored it's session of which i've got a bunch of youtube videos open, I think I've opened a portal to a new dimesnion of sound.
05:56:03 MidJag: I've got Andrew WK some random electronic song and electric wizard playing. Honestlly pretty good
05:56:48 ER: update PS, and read the next chapter of Unsounded, and beat Iji
05:57:54 MidJag: This electronica has a very latin vibe to it, it mixes with the doom metal suprisinglly well.
05:59:46 syv: Probably not for a few days at the least, for once because of a decent reason.
05:59:53 MidJag cracks his whip, fracturing every sentient beings bones, becuase this is DF :P
06:04:25 MidJag: I do love that in DF some of the most effective weapons only are brutally effective because of a quirk in the pyshics engine.
06:04:40 Devastator: Are fluffy wamblers still OP?
06:05:59 syv: Family member nearly killed themself doing something stupid and I'm keeping them company in the hospital.
06:06:08 MidJag: Whips and scourges have a super small contact area because it's only the tip, and a very very high velocity.
06:06:30 Devastator: Ouch, well good luck.
06:06:35 syv: Wasn't throwing nerfed at some point?
06:06:54 MidJag: I feel like it continues to remain good regardless :P
06:13:58 Devastator: The world would be a sadder place without fluffy wamblers.
06:19:45 Devastator: So would a whip made out of adamantium be any good?
06:20:00 Devastator: Or would it be like the hammer case?
06:20:17 syv: I think candy whips are still bad.
06:20:22 MidJag: I think it's like the hammer.
06:20:34 MidJag: Though I wonder if a candy scourge would be good
06:21:29 Devastator: For the record, I'm not sure I've ever made anything out of candy.
06:21:52 Devastator: If I do get candy, I plan on making anvils out of it.
06:23:55 syv: I usually just make armor, and a few swords.
06:24:28 Devastator: It's mostly for the pointless factor.
06:24:43 Devastator: Also, an anvil an adventurer can carry would be absurd. And useless.
06:26:31 syv: I could see that being useful in something like the wanderer mod? If recipes require an anvil, that works.
06:26:39 Devastator: Although I have had one stolen once.
06:26:46 Devastator: Fortunately, it wasn't my only anvil.
06:27:09 MidJag: How do you steal an anvil? I mean the few times I've been around one I rember them being fairlly heavy
06:27:17 MidJag: ...and bolted to the ground
06:29:15 Devastator: DF anvils aren't made bolted to the ground.
06:29:34 Devastator: and technically, you can carry anything assuming you're willing to accept the speed loss.
06:29:58 Devastator: As anyone who has ever seen dwarves lugging about gold ore knows.
06:32:15 syv: I remember that one little mod where a guy made dwarves into gigantic avatars of armok, which were so enormous each article of clothing weighed many tons. And they were all slowed down to a crawl due to the weight of their equipment, despite having speed:1.
06:32:41 MidJag: I don't rember this mod
06:32:49 MidJag: but that sounds hilarious
06:32:59 MidJag: and yes that square cube law is a fucking bitch.
06:33:13 syv: I think it was a quickie made just for testing something else. Depopulation of hell or something, I'm not sure.
06:34:02 Devastator: I bet under that version they could still clothe themselves with one unit of cloth.
06:34:06 Devastator: (current versions would take more.)
06:34:46 MidJag: Man I can not type today
06:35:20 syv: For a very interesting definition of "cool", yes.
06:36:17 Devastator: The square cube law would be on the side of the giant dwarves there, actually.
06:36:24 Devastator: (well, no, but theoretically, yes.)
06:37:58 syv: Sure, if they didn't care about the thickness of the cloth.
06:40:40 Devastator: well, it's got to cover their surface areas, which would be smaller related to their interiors.
06:41:23 Devastator: Reminds me of playing non-human adventurers. I was tempted to make equipment for them with a dwarf fortress, but it always took too long from my point of view to go through that rigamarole.
06:42:19 syv: Solution: adventure in a world with already-played forts/
06:42:49 Devastator: You have to specifically make gear for non-dwarven creatures.
06:44:53 Devastator: Well, you could for a while. I'd expect you still can.
06:44:58 syv: I thought you meant elf/dwarf nonhumans, since they used to use the same equipment.
06:45:22 Devastator: It's the only place in the world you could make a mail shirt for a birdman. ;-p
06:45:42 Devastator: I was irritated when I found out that gremlins could fly.
06:47:14 syv: Oh. Doesn't it vary? Admittedly I don't think I've ever playing a flying adventurer who didn't blend them instantly whenever meeting them, but still. Thought it was tied to wings.
06:47:20 MidJag: boogeymen are the worst
06:47:40 MidJag: Boogeymen randomelly vary some fly some don't
06:48:35 Devastator: some can fly, some can't.
06:48:49 Devastator: I'm usually too bored to grind enough to be boogeymen safe, at least early on.
06:49:56 syv: All of said flying adventurers were some mod race, not grinded.
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06:56:05 Devastator: Cats will only choose dwarves who have preference for them. Clearly, they are not modelled on real cats.
06:59:04 syv: In my experience, cats can kinda home in on the catlovers, though. Given enough time they're pretty reliable.
06:59:41 syv: Oh, neat. Egan changed his sekret action to something that's 80% copypaste.
07:04:47 Devastator: I thought hell would never depopulate.
07:05:04 Devastator: You could empty the clown car, but there would forever be wandering clowns.
07:05:05 syv: Good, because I can copypaste a bunch of words and feel like I'm doing something. Bad, because [spoilers].
07:05:39 syv: The depopulation effort was focused on walling off every exterior tile of hell so that none could spawn.
07:06:09 syv: They also changed cows into lasers made of slade teeth and claws and fire.
07:09:29 syv: IIRC they ended up being unable to completely block all demon spawns. The last few tiles spawned demons too fast to build on, even with a horde of godlike slade cows eviscerating them one frame after spawn. I think obstructive corpse bits were the problem.
07:09:39 Devastator: "indestructible artifact-quality portals can stop them" (about demons.)
07:09:43 Devastator: Oh well, understandable.
07:10:28 syv: A solid wall can also stop them. Or a raised drawbridge.
07:10:48 syv: Or a lowered drawbridge over a ramp. There's lots of ways, really.
07:13:13 Devastator: I prefer the door version. More style.
07:13:30 Devastator: Alternatively maybe a long row of masterwork steel doors to see how fast they go.
07:17:27 syv: Have demons race. Make multiple paths of doors, direct different groups of demons to them. Write it up on the forum as a gameshow, have B12ers bet on which side will win.
07:21:40 Devastator: I don't play DF enough to do that, sadly.
07:26:18 syv: Nor do I, as illustrated by the fact I didn't know you can make equipment specifically for nonhumans.
07:42:26 Devastator: Can you depopulate the oceans?
07:45:51 syv: There might be numberless fish, since some fish are vermin IIRC, but basically everything else has a pop and can be killed off. I believe.
07:53:17 Devastator: so Ice Fortress Zero with no food sources other than fish would have died off.
07:54:36 syv: I thiiink there's some infinite fish. I feel like mussels or something were infinite.
07:59:48 Devastator: I don't think you can breed fish.
08:03:28 syv: Was pretty sure it was possible to breed some aquatic creatures.
08:03:48 syv: Honestly, I forget. Did mermaid farming ever get past the concept?
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08:11:27 syv: Well, there's your aquatic animal breeding.
08:11:59 Devastator: you can't actually fish mermaids.
08:12:03 Devastator: I know you can trap fish.
08:12:18 Devastator recalls catching a firesnake to put in the dining room.
08:12:27 Devastator: Then it vanished, so I caught another one.
08:12:33 Devastator: That time I caught the dwarf eating it.
08:12:46 Devastator: It was supposed to be decorative, but that dwarf saw a meal.
08:13:58 Devastator: generally people who like vermin for traits in this world don't also eat the same vermin.
08:14:06 Devastator: I've never known anyone with a pet mouse to eat one.
08:16:43 syv: Sure, they aren't actually caught with the fishing labor, but they're fish.
08:16:55 Devastator: Sorry, I meant stuff catchable with fishing labor.
08:17:08 Devastator: I'd love to have a fort fed with a giant cistern.
08:17:36 Devastator: Especially since it could be fishable from like 30 z-levels up.
08:17:53 Devastator: and you could have stuff like walkable floor grates in between.
08:22:07 Devastator: You know, fishing is magic too.
08:22:15 Devastator: "I caught five salmon on the same line."
08:22:25 Devastator: I know there are multi-hooked lines, but yeah.
08:22:42 Devastator: of course, that was back in the day it was one meal per fish. I think you get more from them now.
08:31:39 syv: It's not as bad as a legendary grower feeding an entire fortress off the mushrooms grown in a 25'x25' plot of wet obisidian.
08:32:18 Devastator: I generally farm more than just Plump Helmets.
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