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02:20:35 Devastator: Well, that was a mistake.
02:20:40 Devastator: took a mission to shoot down a pirate ship.
02:20:47 Devastator: I find it. It has a speed of 777 units.
02:23:10 Devastator: Yeah.. just not happening. I got half of it, but he has a slowing gun.
02:23:31 Devastator: I can't make him not run away unless he thinks he can take me, and I can't make him think that without being in a position to die.
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04:12:12 syv: ...Random pistol shot from outside, in the direction of the airport. Okaaay.
04:12:32 Devastator: Failed a mission in Spess Rangers.
04:12:43 Devastator: Took a contract to kill a pirate ship.
04:12:56 Devastator: Turns out it had a really great engine and I couldn't catch it.
04:13:10 midnightjaguar: Damn
Syv. That sounds problematic
04:13:14 Devastator: it was slightly faster than I was and tough enough to keep away.
04:14:12 syv: Nah. I'm in a random locked office, it's pretty unlikely that someone with a gun would come barging in. Also it was pretty distant.
04:14:45 midnightjaguar: Eh, more just in general in the sense of guns and airports rarely mix well
04:15:06 Devastator: Yeah. I made one last try at killing the guy, and he BURNED OUT HIS ENGINE to escape me.
04:15:16 Devastator: I have never, ever seen someone do that.
04:16:00 syv: Yeah. The direction is the primary reason I think that was even weird. The area in virtually all other directions, it wouldn't be terribly strange then. Not a great area.
04:16:57 Devastator: Maybe. It took him about the same number of days to arrive at safety, but it reduced the intercept time for a couple of other friendlies who wanted to help out.
04:17:34 Devastator: Dude had a tough ship with a good droid, so adding more guns would have helped a lot.
04:17:51 Devastator: Basically, he'd heal like 35 HP a day, and had about 400 HP.
04:18:23 Devastator: I did about 500 damage to just get him to half health. With even one real warship on him I would have had him, but so it goes.
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04:20:23 Devastator: Dang, nobody noticed Alida wanting to be a werewolf. I'll have to play it up until someone does. ;-p
04:21:24 syv: But it was my intention that we'd agreed to run a game tonight, and
ER was the biggest motivator for that. And now he's gone.
04:21:47 Devastator: Yeah, I was expecting that.
04:21:54 Devastator: just playing a little Spess Rangers until that started.
04:22:57 syv:
MJ, charsheet for a magical girl. Any class you want, as long as you don't want to play an Innocent, fifteen levels to distribute however you like. PM to
Compsy.
04:23:04 syv: Mercy is probably a bad choice.
04:23:36 Devastator: If there's only one, how about
MJ gets, say, a 2 level dip in another field?
04:23:49 ER: and suddenly people are yelling for me
04:24:01 syv: 15 levels, no Innocence, PM to
Compsy.
04:25:18 ER: bah, I'mma eat this food, first
04:27:34 midnightjaguar: This might take a sec. I got no idea what sorta class I’ll play.
04:29:06 midnightjaguar: Wait. Who is John wick?
04:29:25 ER: this guy who's good with guns :P
04:29:40 Devastator: Assassin who always rolls fives, but is otherwise mundane.
04:29:51 midnightjaguar: No I mean who’s playing him?
04:31:54 midnightjaguar: Also I’m doing all this on a phone since the comp that actually works is once again in the shop.
04:32:22 midnightjaguar: Perhaps this time it will end up in better condition than it started
04:36:03 midnightjaguar: Given that they failed to fix the intial problem. Scratched the screen and fucked with the power supply I am somewhat doubtful as well
04:37:18 Devastator: Maybe they'll put someone competent on it this time.
04:37:27 midnightjaguar:
Syv how does this class stuff work. So there’s our skills and then we add like levels to the things?
04:37:29 Devastator: Be back in a minute, sent in my gear.
04:38:53 syv: You get fifteen levels to distribute however you like between the six Equanimity powers, and the six Class powers. Powers can only have 3 levels at most.
04:39:48 syv: You're free to distribute the levels however you like. Five powers at L3, maybe. Or nine at L1, with three at L2. Or anything in between.
04:40:28 midnightjaguar: I mean like the stats
04:41:05 syv: You also need to come up with a totem, and distribute skills. The class skill is always Talented, then you select two that are Skilled, two that are Amateur, two that are Cursed.
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04:41:50 midnightjaguar_: What? I missed whatever you just said
04:42:19 syv: Bravery is melee combat/parrying, Joy is dodging/ranged combat, Innocence is Intelligence, Love is Charisma, Creativity is stealth/perception, Mercy is pain resist, Purity is will.
04:42:24 syv: (
syv) You also need to come up with a totem, and distribute skills. The class skill is always Talented, then you select two that are Skilled, two that are Amateur, two that are Cursed.
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04:46:06 midnightjaguar_: God this ducking connectik
04:46:23 Devastator: so the connection knows about the croutch button?
04:46:58 midnightjaguar_: My autocorrect doesn’t want me cursing apperentlly
04:47:28 Compsy: Ducks are fucking clucking cuck trucks...
04:48:00 ER: ducking autocorrect dictionaries not having curses built it
04:48:08 midnightjaguar_: Ducks have impressive dicks
04:48:49 Devastator: some do, but not all kinds of ducks.
04:50:00 Compsy: "Man, that is one impressive dick."
04:50:06 Compsy: Careful with your words, Jaggers.
04:51:24 Devastator: "Man, that is one impressive duck."
05:00:14 Compsy: Just waiting on midnighjaguar_ now
05:00:41 midnightjaguar_: Might be good. This is hard on a phone
05:01:36 Devastator: sheet thingies, apparently.
05:15:54 Compsy: Okay, got two MG sheets now. Please stand by.
05:27:20 Compsy: Okay. Nava and Harry are going swimming at a public pool together, a little while after school. There's not many people around, like three in the pool, and a very burly lifeguard who looks bored as hell. They get about five feet in before a gunshot rings out, and Nava screams, falling to the ground and writhing in pure agony. Her soulgem just got shot.
05:33:33 Compsy:
MJ decided to make the next update slow 'cause I have to listen to a song.
05:33:50 Compsy: Nava starts singing that.
05:34:07 Compsy: She's crying due to the agony, but managing it.
05:34:08 ER: Also, what's Nava look like?
05:34:36 Compsy: "Young girl with blue and orange hair." is all I have.
05:34:58 midnightjaguar_: I’m very tired. Just think of a generic young girl and that’s her.
05:35:12 midnightjaguar_: Well with blue and organe hair
05:35:24 Devastator: well, that sounds dangerous.
05:35:42 Compsy: Okay, so those people swimming? And the lifeguard? They're now werewolves. And they want BLOOD.
05:35:54 Compsy: They're also allied to Nava.
05:36:32 Devastator: call when you need a new action, then.
05:36:51 ER: YOU'LL BE ONE OF THEM TOO, SOON ENOUGH
05:38:11 Compsy: Okay, so Harry charges toward Wick while summoning her blade, closely followed by the werewolves. She notices the tripwire just before crossing, and steps over it, but the werewolf behind her breaks it.
05:39:14 Compsy: A moment later, a flashbang explodes, and Harry collapses, blinded. The two werewolves behind her screech and reel away, sclawing at their faces, but the next two charge in unhindered. And as they crawl over her, a bullet collides with Harry's soul gem.
05:40:40 Compsy: Bah. ONE of Harry's eyes is NEWLY blinded, as
ER insists, because she has bandages over the other.
05:50:50 Compsy: Okay, Harry springs to the side while twirling around and covering her eyes. The four werewolves all charge past her, towards Wick, but he fires one bullet into each of their heads, neatly, so fast that it's almost on full-auto. Then he turns and fires a shot at Harry's head, but the girl twirls and swats the bullet out of the air with her giant-ass cleaver
05:51:24 Compsy: Then she pulls out a small pistol and fires three shots into the lockers to Wick's right.
05:52:52 Compsy: An arrow with a comically large black poweder bomb at its tip materializes in between the two combatants, and detonates, flinging John Wick and Harry into the walls behind them, while collapsing the ceiling and filling the room with dust.
05:54:04 Compsy: John Wick is hurt fairly bad, fracturing a couple ribs and taking several punctures from shrapnel, but is still functional, if in great pain. He cannot see Harry.
05:57:34 Compsy: Nava's song stops. Carry on.
06:01:49 Compsy: Private turns all sent. >
06:07:20 Compsy: JW lucky timing: 5. Welp, that was actual d6.
06:08:53 Compsy: Another flashbang sails out of the destroyed, dust-and-smoke filled locker room, at the same time as Nava summons a bomb inside, and starts to flee back toward the entrance. Moments later the bomb goes off, and Nava goes down, clutching at her head. Then a bullet hits her in the soulgem on her chest, penetrating right through her small body. Nava is dead.
06:12:03 Compsy: All PMs done, waiting for actions.
06:25:33 Devastator: Well, that ended better than expected. I thought JW got mulched.
06:25:43 Devastator: But it seems he got the luck Saeko isn't.
06:26:45 Devastator: would get mulched, sorry.
06:28:20 Compsy: I think
ER wants his char to come back for Wick.
06:28:30 Compsy: Should we do a 1v1 years later?
06:28:51 Compsy: Well, more like months later, since MGs don't survive years.
06:28:55 Devastator: Nah, I think I'm okay.
06:29:09 Devastator: Space Rangers and Cinemasins are calling to me.
06:29:17 midnightjaguar_: What happens if an MG does survive years
06:29:21 Devastator: JW would expect as much, in all honesty.
06:29:21 midnightjaguar_: And like matured
06:29:24 Devastator: She turns into Homura.
06:29:33 Devastator: I think
syv had a picture for that.
06:29:48 midnightjaguar_: But like she’s still a kid
06:29:55 midnightjaguar_: Like do they not age?
06:29:59 Compsy: Though really Homura only has ~thirty something levels, IIRC?
06:30:15 Compsy: Do you think they age?'
06:30:38 Devastator: I think the pic indicated that they would age, but since Homura kept body resetting she didn't do so automatically.
06:31:18 midnightjaguar_: I have no idea how their biology works. Since like they breath and eat and stuff but their consciousness isn’t really affected by it
06:31:32 Devastator: I don't think they'd have to breathe, actually.
06:31:46 Devastator: except to talk, which means they have to breath.
06:32:16 midnightjaguar_: I would assume they breath just to keep up appearances
06:32:41 Compsy: Okay, this is just stupid.
06:32:42 Devastator: since, as PS is showing us, any combination of MGs continually talk forever. ;-p
06:32:47 Devastator: what is just stupid?
06:33:04 Compsy: ONE NIGHT, Alida attempts to hold her breath. She can only do it for a couple minutes, before feeling an intense need to breath.
06:33:32 ER: Ya need Immaculate for that, bro
06:34:06 ER: You don't NEED air, but you think that you should, which is basically the same thing for a creature such as you.
06:34:14 syv: "Second, magical girls can telepathically communicate with each other and Pumsy, as long as the recipient is willing and known to them. Being anime-inspired, this communication is instantaneous and can transmit entire speeches within a fraction of a sentence,"
06:34:17 midnightjaguar_: Eh. They do kids need air
06:34:22 syv: That should be "fraction of a second"
06:34:36 syv: I specifically planned for this but nobody uses telepathy so.
06:34:37 Devastator: well, we have a ward, so everyone's gonna be chatting.
06:34:42 midnightjaguar_: Like their body can die so I could see it
06:34:46 Devastator: I'd be using it more, but I've been with a ward all day.
06:35:07 ER: Wards should have telepathy
06:35:22 syv: I'm regretting not just saying y'all have unlimited infinite range telepathy.
06:35:42 Devastator: You did, basically.
06:35:44 ER: ...Yeah, was odd that it seems to be range-limited
06:35:45 Devastator: and I'd be using it more.
06:36:04 syv: You have to know where the other person is to use telepathy in PS.
06:36:26 syv: So if someone gets separated in a labyrinth, they can't communicate.
06:36:34 syv: That is the *specific* reason.
06:37:29 syv: Wards don't get telepathy because they aren't magic. Simple as that.
06:38:33 ER: The way I see it, no human in this universe "isn't magic"
06:38:43 ER: Some of them just can't see it.
06:39:38 Devastator: So when did your MG run away,
ER?
06:39:44 ER: Should I save harry myself, or have you got it,
syv?
06:39:52 Devastator: Because JW was deader than a doorway if you'd stuck around.
06:40:02 ER: When you stopped being able to see her.
06:40:02 Devastator: brain, it no worky.
06:40:25 ER: That outburst killed my leg, so I up and left.
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06:40:31 Devastator: Yeah, he barely lived and ended up in the pool. Youda mulched him in an instant if you stuck around.
06:41:05 ER: Was GOING to try to ambush you, but I was down to Fading by then, so I decided on a different plan.
06:41:05 Devastator: Unless you took zero mobility.
06:41:19 ER: aka still ambushing you, but a bunch later. :P
06:41:57 Devastator: It would be a very odd world that would have John Wick and magical girls in it.
06:42:02 Compsy: Even if she had zero mobility, she could parry bullets, so...
06:42:09 Devastator: Presumably some MG wished for Hollywood Assassins to exist.
06:42:24 Devastator: It'd be mostly for the ability to get to JW to kill him, not the ability to not get killed.
06:42:33 ER: I felt you kill my friend with a gemshot, and didn't feel like risking it, going right into combat again and playing against my strengths.
06:43:07 Devastator: Yeah, just saying. Lucky rolls to survive, too.
06:43:46 Compsy: He got 4/5 on at least three rolls that would've spelt his doom otherwise.
06:43:49 ER: I figure this scenario flipped the other way would be Very Fucking Deadly
06:44:01 Compsy: Both bombs, and the timing to not still be in the locker for the second bomb.
06:44:14 Compsy: John Wick hunted by a magical girl?
06:44:17 Devastator: Really, it was deadly all the same.
06:44:21 Compsy: Yeah. "I cast manabolt."
06:44:22 Devastator: he got very, very lucky.
06:44:32 Devastator: well, if you don't miss, it's over.
06:44:33 Compsy: "I walk up to him and punch him in the face."
06:44:51 ER: The trick is not missing, you know...
06:45:01 Devastator: Yeah, so not guaranteed. Still, good odds.
06:45:14 Devastator: You could also find out where he lives and destroy that or something.
06:45:21 Devastator: or wait for him to get on a plane and take it down.
06:45:34 Compsy: "I cast outburst and leave it in his bed, then detonate it when he goes to sleep."
06:45:45 Compsy: Plane wouldn't work though, he's an ACTION HERO.
06:45:46 ER: Action movie hero survives the plane he's in being shot down, easy.
06:45:54 Compsy: He'll dive out with a parchute and assault rifle.
06:46:09 Compsy: And the inability to fly is one of the very few weaknesses magical girls actually have.
06:46:10 Devastator: Do it over water and then have your pet sea monster eat him.
06:46:23 Devastator: unless they can turn into birds or something. ;-p
06:47:18 ER: I'm pretty sure I never actually gave you any indication of what class I was.
06:47:18 Devastator: Fair enough, an action hero can survive a plane crash.
06:47:24 Devastator: Yeah, I'm not sure.
06:47:31 Devastator: Melee weapon might mean bravery.
06:47:36 Compsy: I think it was pretty clear...
06:47:41 ER: I'll gladly keep it that way.
06:47:42 Devastator: and
MJ used Dance with Reality.
06:47:49 Devastator: There was all the bombs.
06:47:56 Devastator: That's the joy ones, right?
06:47:57 Compsy:
MJ was Joy, that was obvious.
06:48:22 Devastator: Yeah, I don't actually know what class
ER was. Didn't see too many powers.
06:48:41 Devastator: CC is generic, at least at bullet parrying level.
06:48:47 ER: Mobility and CC, basically. Then I left. :P
06:50:02 ER: Do you at least know what my character was referencing? ;P
06:50:24 Devastator: I only saw the machete.
06:50:29 Devastator: What was her hair again?
06:51:23 Devastator: No, then, I don't know the reference.
06:53:19 ER: [01:36] <
ER> BEASTS ALL OVER THE SHOP
06:53:19 ER: [01:36] <
ER> YOU'LL BE ONE OF THEM TOO, SOON ENOUGH
06:53:39 ER: Was OOC, but kinda a giveaway.
06:53:41 Devastator: No.. still don't get it.
06:54:09 Devastator: What's the reference?
06:54:17 ER: Basically, Bloodborne in general.
06:54:27 Compsy: Gascoigne in particular.
06:54:42 ER: Yeah. WEapon isn't his, though.
06:54:58 Compsy: Hunter axe is boring, frankly.
06:55:29 ER: Yeah, I would have taken the axe to complete the reference, but... What I chose is way cooler. :P
06:57:41 ER: "This crude weapon relies on brute force and is regrettably inelegant, suggesting that the hunts of the earliest hunters made for horrific affairs, painted in sanguine black and reds."
06:57:58 Compsy: As if the hunts of modern hunters *aren't*...
06:58:33 Devastator: Generally modern hunters want fast kills..
06:59:15 Compsy: Slow for BB, maybe, but it's fast for anything else.
06:59:37 Devastator: Well, never played BB.
06:59:40 ER: At CC4, I can make ANYTHING fast~
07:00:18 ER: "In whip mode, has the highest amount of windup and recovery frames of any weapon, however, also has the most damage frames."
07:07:51 ER: Would the Stake Driver work as a totem, with the restictions on chemical stuff? I'm not clear on if it's supposed to use an explosive to drive the stake.
07:07:54 syv: More relevant that it has high damage and range. Damage *frames* aren't terribly important for a hunter's weapons.
07:08:21 Devastator: Guns use explosives.
07:08:22 syv: Could you imagine a stake driver functioning on clockwork mechanisms?
07:08:29 Devastator: I'd expect you'd get a magic powered version of such.
07:08:49 syv: Guns also don't actually fire bullets unless you have TM 4,
Dev.
07:09:11 syv: They just act as a focus for the manabolts you could throw with your hands.
07:09:12 Devastator: Well, yes, but you can still have them as totems, albeit they fire manabolts.
07:09:52 ER: And you can't GET Totem 4 if it's a gun...
07:10:36 Devastator: Yeah, that might be an oversight.
07:10:40 syv: Eh, I'd actually allow it if the totem is fancy/weird enough.
07:10:49 Devastator: although they'd just fire lots of bullet-like manabolts.
07:10:55 Devastator: and at some point the difference isn't that great.
07:11:00 syv: A RWBY style gunscythe could go any of three ways, for instance.
07:11:47 syv: An AK is too boring to have TM, but a transforming weapon inherently is as much a trick mechanism as a solid weapon.
07:17:58 syv: ...Also, Mami's totem is "ribbons", not guns. She has TM4, which allows her to make ribbons into guns, which have ribbons of chemicals for firing hardened ribbon bullets.
07:18:45 Devastator: Hell, she might have TM5, in all honesty.
07:19:01 Devastator: she also can make them invisible.
07:19:20 syv: I originally intended to give all powers 5 ranks, and each char would have a
07:19:32 syv: single power which can go that high, while all others are locked to three.
07:19:54 syv: But then I realized having five ranks for everything would be nigh impossible.
07:20:33 syv: So everything she did is workable with TM4, but would be hellishly expensive.
07:20:43 Devastator: Maybe Mami just has TM4, but is really, really awesome from experience.
07:20:57 syv: As in, need to eat a grief seed after pretty much every fight like the first big one she did.
07:21:23 syv: Entirely workable, if solo.
07:21:57 syv: Also, She's a Love. She used Shield on Sayaka once.
07:21:58 ER: whatever, those physics are different from PS physics. WE've got a purple cat, not a white one! :P
07:23:59 Devastator: Heh, you found a pic.
07:24:31 syv: I colored a pic, actually. And kinda shaded it. Took three hours wrestling with paint.net >.<
07:24:47 syv: I'll prolly redo it sometime, I made a bunch of mistakes.
07:29:10 ER: The sweet blood, oh, it sings to me.
08:02:19 syv: "Is it OK to name your child Tali?"
08:02:45 Devastator: Tali isn't so bad for stupid baby names I've seen.
08:02:46 syv: Fuck I can't copy paste what's in my computer's clipboard.
08:03:07 Devastator: But you know, you could just call her Natalia and call her Tali.
08:03:16 syv: Response: "The bar is so fucking low you could name your daughter Wrex and be fine."
08:03:27 Devastator: I heard someone naming her daughter Katana once.
08:03:30 Devastator: That's below the line.
08:04:01 syv: ("Name her Natalie" is actually the top voted comment in that thread)
08:05:47 Devastator: you don't need to call your kids the same thing you name them.
08:06:08 syv: Not sure I'd want a kid to have that as a name, myself. It's a synonym of "tally", which is an actual word. As a rule of thumb I think first names should never be actual words.
08:06:44 Devastator: Didn't we have this argument about Pumsey?
08:07:20 ER: The best name for a daughter is obviously Henry
08:07:35 syv: Pumsy isn't an actual word and isn't a homophone of any actual word. Least not in any language I know.
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08:15:11 Nikitian: Been a while, long time no see, friends
08:15:40 Devastator:
Syv started a game about magical girls.
08:16:33 ER: Wanna be a magical girl and help me out on the next round?~
08:17:48 Devastator: Well, I do have a question to pose to you about the one on the forum.
08:18:02 Nikitian: Nah, I'll pass, I think. Still have the feels from the last one I participated in. :)
08:18:16 syv: You participated in an MG game?
08:18:51 syv: Ohhh. The one with... Clara, I think. Mine.
08:18:52 Nikitian: Had a Purity MG running around on the strength of being the best; ended up a witch with very good friends :)
08:19:15 ER: ...Still a little mad about that
08:19:16 syv: Yeah, and your char was named Cina, I believe.
08:19:48 Nikitian: Maybe. No idea anymore, honestly ^^'
08:19:54 syv:
MJ was... Triella, or something?
ER was Zoe. Actual names are easier.
08:20:02 syv: Fuuuck why can I remember this bull
08:21:28 Nikitian: Yeah, it was very anime. ^^
08:24:45 syv: I guess I'll take that as a complement.
08:28:57 Nikitian: Hey, btw, I'm thinking of running an
ER game. Would you guys be interested in playing?
08:29:06 Nikitian: Particularly, I'd like to run an alternate timeline Missing University mission (Weeping Angels, Unleashing the Kraken^W Lurker) where Maurice stayed behind and didn't meddle. :)
08:30:40 Devastator: Except Space Rangers.
08:30:55 syv: Doesn't mean he won't quit though.
08:30:57 ER: I'll play any roleplaying game :P
08:30:57 Devastator: Nah, I'll pass on anything set in
ER-verse with a mission type.
08:31:10 syv: To the surprise of nobody.
08:31:27 ER: What
ER-Verse game WOULD you play,
Dev?
08:32:01 Nikitian:
Devastator: Aww. I really hoped I could give you an opportunity to play.
08:32:02 syv: "Kill Steve in an entirely open ended suggestion game"
08:32:22 Devastator: It would require a non-
PW GM and a non-mission structure and setting.
08:34:20 Nikitian: I also wanted to adddress/take very seriously your criticism on
ER. Fix what was really wrong, challenge the perception of what was not necessarily wrong.
08:34:38 Nikitian: You were my inspiration,
Dev, among other things. :\
08:35:00 ER: I'm not actually super interested in the
ER verse though
08:35:43 Devastator: You can do what you like, but the
ER-verse is just full of bad memories for me, Nik.
08:36:51 Devastator: Why would I want to visit it again?
08:36:52 ER: Kinda wanted to start an
ER game set after earth's unification but before FTL tech, set entirely in the solar system.
08:38:05 syv: That would be terribly boring
08:38:44 Nikitian:
Dev: Because I offered to try and make it right? ...Oh well.
08:39:39 Devastator: Especially the missing university mission, which summed up as 'people wander about with no idea what they're doing and nothing important to do.'
08:39:48 Nikitian:
ER: Well, unlike
Dev, I'm just too full of good memories about the
ER, so bringing it back about exactly as it was at its prime would be my greatest desire. Even though I'm really not sure I could accomplish something on that scale. ^^
08:40:26 ER: Yeah, I never actually got too far into
ER proper
08:40:46 Devastator: I mean, it was better than like M27 or such, but M27 was 'People pretend they matter when the rookies are on a pointless make-work mission, the supervets are on a pointless make-work mission, and the vets are on a pointless-make work mission.
08:40:53 ER: MOST of my time in
ER was spent fucking with a magic system that's not for
ER
08:41:13 Devastator: The game was over the day it was decided it was a rebellion.
08:43:16 syv: I'm pretty sure Nik meant the "Convicts get sent to find alien can openers" when he said
ER's prime. Though I guess it's *also* a rebellion.
08:43:41 ER: University mission's not that, though.
08:44:01 Nikitian: It's very much a throwback to the early day missions, I think.
08:44:12 Nikitian: Go in, bring the shiny alien can opener out, if you can.
08:44:39 Devastator: Neither of which happened..
08:44:44 Devastator: well, except for suicide.
08:45:31 syv: University mission was very much like the old days.
08:45:37 syv: Remember the Samsonite Abyss?
08:46:03 Devastator: Yeah, those were interesting.
08:46:12 Devastator: The university was more like 'random stuff happens around you'
08:46:22 syv: People always had *goals* of some kind, but they amounted to "go deeper".
08:46:42 syv: In university it was more just "Explore".
08:47:59 Devastator: The Rebellion made it into a game with a metaplot, where everything that had to do with that metaplot was already solved by NPCs centuries ago.
08:48:02 Nikitian: Very soon after the start, it was "find a way out", too :P
08:48:39 Devastator: Did you guys have the portal machines yet removing the tension about that?
08:48:44 Nikitian: @metaplot One problem at a time, please. -_-
08:49:11 ER:
PW is "missions" too, where the goal is "go deeper and kill", rather than "go deeper and grab anything that looks shiny"
08:49:31 Devastator: "We have to escape from this, because the perfect portal machines won't rescue us before anyone dies."
08:49:58 Devastator: oh well, enough complaining.
08:50:05 Nikitian:
Devastator, portal machines came afterwards, and thus are considered non-canon at that time. :P
08:50:35 syv: You're prolly not going to have much luck getting legit criticism out of
Dev, Nik.
08:50:52 Devastator: Well, if by legit you mean 'stuff you care about.'
08:51:08 syv:
Dev hates
ER's guts, and also its skin, heart, and he'd hate its brain if he were capable of believing it had one.
08:52:45 Nikitian: Actually, I care about a lot of it, it's just some of the stuff I really cannot argue in any rational way, just "B-but it's not! T_T" and that impotence of my reason skills is saddenning.
08:52:59 Devastator: but it had no place for me.
08:53:16 Devastator: I wanted a game where I could, you know, play.
08:53:27 syv: Many of
Dev's criticisms aren't based in a rationality that we can process, Nik.
08:53:49 Devastator:
PW didn't have the time for complex tactics, there were too many players.
08:54:39 Devastator: There wasn't any point to getting new gear, because there was a constant stream of new stuff being delivered along with multiple trivial ways of getting random stuff better than anything you could come up with personally.
08:55:03 Devastator: And the stat system boiled down to 'do you have a +2, or do you not have a +2?'
08:56:05 Devastator: The too many players thing was the fatal one for me, though, it meant the other structural issues couldn't be overcome.
08:56:42 syv: (
Devastator) oh well, enough complaining.
08:57:05 Devastator: You wanted legitimate complaints.
09:02:57 Devastator: How could I, personally, have changed the metaplot of
ER without screwing over every other player?
09:03:59 Nikitian: I'm not sure how the number of players gets in the way of tactics (rather, it would probably be the opposite - you cannot really have tactics, or even "split the party" if you have four people on the team), and the system complaint I can't even fully comprehend (is it a pessimistic criticism of how GM used the stats?), but the constant stream of new gear was kind of a point, I guess - you don't get too attached to
09:04:00 Nikitian: a shiny thing, you use it now because it's the best you can affort. The world with ongoing deflation, not inflation, if I may use an economic metaphor.
09:04:14 syv: You, personally, could not have.
09:04:18 Nikitian: Oooh, now that's a very interesting one. Yes, I would very much like to hear your impression of a better metaplot. :D
09:05:27 Devastator:
PW couldn't bother with tactics because the missions were on short time limits with enough players he couldn't dedicate sufficient effort to tracking stuff individual people set up.
09:05:31 syv: @Nik he means level of detail. Do you follow PS? Updates average >1000 words, before quotes/sheets. That's 250 words per char, which means a lot happens in each update. In
ER, it was rare to get more than fifty. A lot less happened.
09:06:07 syv: You couldn't pull really advanced tricks in
ER because there wasn't enough attention paid to your actions.
09:06:29 Devastator: When you have 11 people to handle, you can't satisfy the one person who wants to do something complicated while satisfying the other 10 people who just want to do their one thing.
09:07:00 Devastator: When you have like 4 people you can do stuff like that.
09:07:01 syv: You certainly can't satisfy ten people who all have their own things.
09:07:25 syv:
Dev's wrong, because if you have ten sheep and one guy who's stealing a tank, that works (see 888th).
09:07:47 Devastator:
PW made some structural changes since then to help with that.
09:07:52 Devastator: but in
ER he had more like 40.
09:08:43 syv: Nah, those aren't the reason. 888th isn't less roll-heavy than
ER. It actually has an HP system, for one, which *adds* complexity. There's also not auto-success for +3 and +4.
09:09:02 syv: ...Damn, I'm arguing with
Dev about
ER again. Stupid
sy.
09:09:19 syv sighs in a stupid way. Stupid sy.
09:09:34 Nikitian: I'm sorry,
syv. It's my fault, it's me who enjoys talking with
Dev over his criticism. :(
09:09:56 Devastator: Am I in 888th,
syv?
09:10:09 syv: No, but it still disproves the argument you stated.
09:10:21 Devastator: I'm not in 888th because I feel there are already too many people.
09:10:56 syv: @Nik I enjoy pointless arguing, but I realize that it serves no actual beneficial purpose. It just masquerades as such, which is itself harmful.
09:11:01 ER: I'm not a sheep and I'm not stealing a tank. I'm off making coffee.
09:11:10 Nikitian: I thiiink I almost understood what you interpreted to me on this "tactics" idea, though, so thank you very much for your poor nerves contribution to this discussion. Their sacrifice was not in vain.
09:11:14 ER: the best of all possible actions.
09:11:15 syv: Yeah, you're just a nonissue.
09:11:24 ER: 888 bores me a little, honestly
09:11:36 syv: Also, I'm not annoyed with
Dev right now, so I'm not enjoying it as much as I usually would.
09:11:36 ER: I hope it gets replaced by Dig 2 :P
09:11:45 syv: Your fault for taking +3 planes.
09:12:14 Devastator: I didn't have to look at the armoury page, so it could be worse.
09:12:25 syv: Simon has +3 camo, so he looks like a bush. That's the best thing to look like in WWII.
09:12:36 syv: And you thought
PW knew what he was talking about>
09:12:41 Nikitian: Could you guys please give me another example to see what "tactics" means in this case? The idea with words count helped, but not entirely, so another spin of this issue is still needed.
09:12:42 Devastator: because everyone tries to hide behind you?
09:13:00 syv: Please, he has barely any idea which of his games are even playable/runnable.
09:13:15 syv: Let alone how players should pkay them to have fun.
09:13:35 syv: @
Dev nah, Simon stays far away from his allies. They have a tendency to explode.
09:13:39 Devastator: In one of
PW's test games, a few players were doing a boarding action while on a spaceship.
09:13:42 ER: I have fun, just very slowly. :P
09:13:54 Devastator: It was based on rules close to what was done for Wizards!
09:13:58 Devastator: A simple roll-under system.
09:13:59 syv: That one's actually something you could've pulled pull in
ER.
09:14:13 Devastator: No, I tried to do something very similar, and
PW forgot about it.
09:14:58 Devastator: Anyway, I basically played out a rope behind my character, and after taking a few wounds, killed several people despite having a combat stat of 4. (max was 20.)
09:15:12 Devastator: I did that by pulling up a rope that someone else tied a grenade to.
09:15:54 syv: "No, you can't do this kind of thing. I once tried to do this kind of thing and the forgetful GM forgot."
09:15:55 Devastator: I didn't have that exact thing in mind, but the opportunity came up to do that.
09:16:13 syv:
Piecewise forgets that sort of thing in ALL his games, no matter the size.
09:16:27 Devastator: Smaller is a little better.
09:16:46 syv: It's why I have a tendency to explain context to all my actions, and embed reminders.
09:17:57 ER: Yes, the best boldtext is a heavy-handed monologue from your character to themselves about what you want to do, how, why, and how you're feeling about all this. >.>
09:18:24 syv: It gives me conniptions in PS but yeah, pretty much.
09:18:41 Devastator: I prefer to have simple, sensible actions, that make people think 'Why the hell didn't I see that coming?'
09:19:11 Devastator: Those are the moments where I'm enjoying games the most.
09:19:24 syv: Which doesn't work well with
Piecewise.
09:19:41 ER: Oh yeah, like "Teleport the 40mm grenades to you" :D
09:20:03 Devastator: Hey, impact fuses won't go off like that.
09:20:22 Devastator: so you should have time to jump away before the time fuses go off.
09:23:24 syv: Actually I think modern 40mm grenades won't go off if you teleport them before they arm. It depends on rotations.
09:24:13 Nikitian: ... Actually, I have to agree with
syv, in practice, heavy-handed monologue from your character explaining all the context of your action is your best bet for successful boldtext. :P
09:24:27 Nikitian: (from the player's perspective, of course)
09:25:10 ER: from GM's perspective: *sees bullet points* "Ah fuck it, I'm gonna go make a different game."
09:25:39 Nikitian: Hmmm. Do modern 40mm grenades even have a priming mechanism outside of impact? I'm not well-versed, sorry.
09:26:07 Nikitian:
ER: xDD ... Yeah, I guess. Well. I don't know yet, never GMed any forum/text games before! :P
09:26:31 ER: and make annoying action posts
09:26:41 syv: Pretty sure they're impact, but they don't prime before until flown a set distance, which is measured via rotations of the grenade.
09:26:42 Devastator: one for preventing close-range explosions.
09:27:14 syv: If you teleported it into your hand before it arms, then it won't go off even if the imoact fuze should be triggered.
09:27:27 syv: As
Dev said, it's so you don't shoot the ground and kill yourself.
09:29:10 Nikitian: Anyway, so the problem with tactics is not the wordiness of the updates, nor the amount of people involved, but rather the amount of memory allocated per player (and tendency to lose chunks of it, effectively undoing sneaky plans)?
09:41:28 ER: "tactics" sounds useless any, just throw more anime in there
09:41:50 ER: maybe some bloodborne memes too
09:53:28 Nikitian: Btw, is the IRC game happening somewhere else? It's far too quiet here, for a supposed MG bloodbath
sy is famous for :P
09:54:53 Devastator: It was on here earlier.
09:56:06 Nikitian: Ah, so it ended hours ago. Ok
09:56:17 Nikitian: Hoped to watch it a bit :)
09:56:47 ER: also on #magicalgirlshighonfumes, though I think we regrettably did not save the logs from that, and it's lost to the mists of time
09:58:44 Nikitian: Nah, never mind, but thanks for the offers. Being in the audience is the fun of it. :)
10:10:23 Devastator: Good talking with you, Nik.
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21:42:53 ER: what if i didn't want to go down the rabbid hold
21:48:01 Devastator: It's a good channel.
21:48:17 Devastator: Rare to find someone dedicated to factually documenting things in such detail.
21:50:40 Devastator: Especially in the modern, post-truth era.
21:51:28 ER: truth is just memes that don't realize it yet~
21:52:26 Devastator: Truth is what doesn't go away when you believe it to be otherwise.
22:44:42 Devastator: Well, here's another video with similar levels of madness.
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