00:00:07 Devastator: Yeah, probably a lot easier.
00:00:26 Devastator: but if I do that I'd rather actually have the 50 foot tall character, not just an illusiory one.
00:00:39 Radio_Controlled: So
ER, are you just gonna wait and see how things unfold in Paint Adventures?
00:00:41 Devastator: It's also -too- big to be effective, hard to sell it.
00:01:18 ER: It's too early to make any move.
00:02:35 Radio_Controlled: Well, you painted the dude and he's on board with your plan, so now what?
00:02:43 Radio_Controlled: You wait till they come and fetch you?
00:03:54 ER: If I go now there wasn't much point in painting the thing. :P
00:04:30 Radio_Controlled: True, but you could try to make some preparations or something maybe?
00:05:41 Radio_Controlled: Maybe try to sneak a weapon of some sorts to the guy?
00:06:12 Radio_Controlled: See if there's anything near you that could come in handy if push comes to violent shove?
00:06:29 Radio_Controlled: You guys are in a warehouse, right?
00:07:29 Radio_Controlled: If nothing else, you could sharpen one or two of your brushes and hide them on his person, it's better than nothing (if you do still plan on fighting your employers, mind).
00:11:08 Radio_Controlled: Maybe crack open a couple of those boxes, see if no useful goodies are in there.
00:11:45 Radio_Controlled: Maybe try to make some useful concoction using the chemicals you have there.
00:12:08 Radio_Controlled: Might be able to make a Molotov cocktail if nothing else.
00:13:07 Radio_Controlled: Use the rope that guy was tied up with and use it for a tripwire or to make a net.
00:13:50 Radio_Controlled: Let your destructive creativity flow unfettered!
00:14:27 Radio_Controlled: Hell, maybe try to take the woman hostage if she comes to check on you so you have some leverage.
00:19:47 Devastator: what words does
ER have?
00:19:54 Devastator: (assuming
ER's character has any mana.)
00:20:04 Radio_Controlled: Light (as in not heavy) and 'splosion.
00:20:08 Radio_Controlled: But only like 5 mana.
00:20:11 ER: five mana, EXPLOSION and lightwieght
00:20:36 Radio_Controlled: So should be good for at least 1 spell if he doesn't try to over do it (or roll terribad).
00:21:21 Devastator: should ship the guy out via balloon.
00:22:06 ER: Totally gonna save that mana for an instagibbing explosion punch.
00:22:40 Devastator:
ER: Cabalverse Saitama?
00:23:53 Radio_Controlled: We need more fists of fury.
00:24:00 Devastator: I am wondering what the woman's plan is, though.
00:24:39 ER: Honestly, could probably do something with the painting even if I successfully left with the dude.
00:25:06 ER: So if I'm going without warning I should destroy that.
00:25:38 Radio_Controlled: Or keep it for yourself.
00:26:32 Devastator: Always keep evidence of your crimes, good plan there.
00:26:42 Radio_Controlled: Hey, it's a neat painting!
00:26:54 Radio_Controlled: And he can just say he was forced into it.
00:27:25 ER: Painting someone ain't a crime, and I'm not the one holding him. Especially not if I'm helping him escape.
00:29:10 Devastator: I still favor Kaboom.
00:29:14 Devastator: it also seems to fit
ER better.
00:30:32 Radio_Controlled: Just generating ideas, never hurts to have options.
00:31:13 Devastator: Yeah, it might be useful for some reason or other.
00:31:22 Devastator: Did she provide the materials or are you using your own?
00:31:32 Devastator: maybe magic paint or paintbrush or something.
00:34:30 ER: The painting ain't something I can exactly carry on me, by the way.
00:35:08 Radio_Controlled: Can't you detach it from the canvas and roll it up?
00:35:19 Radio_Controlled: You know, like a poster.
00:36:01 Devastator: Yeah, that's the normal way to do it.
00:36:22 Devastator: he should have time to unstaple it, not cut it.
00:38:35 Devastator: You can also roll it up and hide it somewhere, and come back to pick it up later.
00:40:39 Devastator: or you could lighten it, tie it to your wrist, and carry it out like some bizarre helium balloon.
00:46:49 Devastator: you could wear it as a cape.
00:51:22 Radio_Controlled: You could wear that guy as a cape.
00:52:24 Devastator: yeah, that would work.
00:52:30 Devastator: turn the guy into the balloon.
00:52:58 Radio_Controlled: You know you want to.
00:54:40 Devastator: I think he prefers explosions to balloons.
00:55:00 Radio_Controlled: Hindenburg would like a word with you on that.
01:07:58 Radio_Controlled: Another interforum arms race revision, another bad roll and failure.
01:11:16 Devastator: bad play and bad luck, that's what happens.
01:12:02 Devastator: lemme guess, more radar?
01:12:20 Radio_Controlled: How much are you willing to bet on that prediction?
01:16:46 Devastator: I'd say it's about 25%.
01:17:03 Devastator: so I'd bet if the odds were better than 4:1 payoff.
01:17:38 Devastator: So what did they revise?
01:18:42 Radio_Controlled: Tried to steal night vision.
01:19:01 Radio_Controlled: But that option only won by 1 vote over radar revision.
01:19:06 Radio_Controlled: So close, but no cigar!
01:37:17 Devastator: It's a pretty good guess.
01:37:39 Radio_Controlled: But, ultimately, wrong... this time.
01:37:45 Radio_Controlled: give it a turn or two :p
01:37:54 Devastator: Besides, they just lost resources, which means they lost the game.
01:38:19 Devastator: What do you think the odds are for plan Monkey?
01:38:26 Devastator: (Well, ape, but monkey remains a funnier word.)
01:38:37 Radio_Controlled: No they didn't?
01:38:41 Radio_Controlled: Next turn they might.
01:39:08 Radio_Controlled: With the challenge die you're currently aiming for, should work if the rolls aren't terribad.
01:39:18 Radio_Controlled: whether it'll work is another question of course.
01:39:40 Radio_Controlled: But even if not, it'll give you some breathing room and a chance to replenish your mana some more.
01:44:38 Devastator: oh, I thought there was a resource in the homeland jungle that was lost. One oil or something.
01:45:08 Radio_Controlled: IT might happen this turn.
01:45:22 Radio_Controlled: If it does, that's probably the end for them.
01:48:07 Devastator: Been over for a long time. Probably since that round where someone said 'we can't fail harder at sea, so we should ignore it', which was followed by that just happening and three territory losses.
01:48:40 Radio_Controlled: To be fair, the string of cruddy rolls didn't help.
01:49:10 Radio_Controlled: When SB could hammer out a very advanced version of their radar on a single design with a very good roll.
01:49:44 Radio_Controlled: If you need more designs and revisions just to get to the same level, that tends to put you behind, yeah.
01:50:23 Radio_Controlled: But, to be fair, Bay12 seems to be mostly reactive these days, which usually doesn't work to win long-term.
01:54:04 ER: Why doesn't my microphone work
01:54:35 Radio_Controlled: It's a lazy moocher.
01:54:47 Devastator: Yeah, if it just buys a couple of turns the ape accomplished its goal.
01:55:50 Radio_Controlled: Maybe if you keep them away long enough they'll decide you're not worth the trouble and bugger off.
01:56:23 Devastator: possibly. I'd take that if it happened.
01:56:35 Devastator: not happy about the result, but that opens lots of possibilities.
01:57:55 Radio_Controlled: The main objective right now is to survive and preferably not get kidnapped. Revenge can come later.
01:58:22 Devastator: It isn't revenge, it's freeing people who were kidnapped.
01:58:24 Radio_Controlled: Hell, if you spread a rumor about wanting to go on a bug hunt, I might know some guys who would be interested.
01:58:30 Devastator: Saeko isn't about revenge.
01:58:49 ER: kill your enemies and drink their blood!
01:58:51 Radio_Controlled: Hell,
ER might even want to join in, being part of the magical popo and everything.
01:59:54 Devastator: There is a rumor about the caravans already.
02:00:18 Radio_Controlled: Haven't checked them in a while.
02:00:27 Radio_Controlled: Still, that'd be an opening.
02:00:37 Radio_Controlled: And you already know how you can pay us!
02:02:25 Radio_Controlled: I mean, after Pan is done kicking some teeth in at the arena, he'd probably be up for Operation Pest Control.
02:02:48 Radio_Controlled: Hell, if we can find their nest we can drown them in seawater.
02:17:21 Radio_Controlled: Try to survive first eh.
02:17:42 Radio_Controlled: Also we spent 14 mana to get to the arena, we're gonna get our mana's worth first here.
02:20:56 Radio_Controlled: We can exterminate bugs later.
02:26:40 ER: Yeah, I'm not sure you'll make up enough to recoup a 14 mana loss by fighting in some arena.
02:28:09 Radio_Controlled: Dunno, fighting the zombroraptor gave ecalir 20 mana.
02:29:14 Radio_Controlled: Then there's whatever money we can make from betting and maybe resurrection services, as well as potentially some new words for me if I can dissect a monster.
02:29:48 Radio_Controlled: And the stone raptor fight was like, what, 4 turns or so?
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02:39:30 Radio_Controlled: Welp, I'm off to bed.
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04:21:05 ER: working on P&P would be nice, but I am honestly unsure how to proceed here.
04:21:42 syv: Post missions, and begin voting?
04:24:14 ER: How do even come up with missions, and how much information should I supply for voting on?
04:24:33 ER: Should I give different briefs to the two sides?
04:25:25 syv: You come up with missions by blatantly steaking from Lenglon, and you give information by describing what the players will do from the perspective of their commanding officers.
05:09:04 ER: Some stealing may indeed be in order. I just doubt my ability somewhat to rival that level of exacting detail myself, both in running those missions and making comparable ones. But I haven't TRIED so it's worth a shot.
05:09:28 ER: And I can commit to that without doing any work immediately because I need to sleep
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05:14:19 syv:
ER, sleeping at one AM? How strange.
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07:54:38 syv: My phone isn't beeping for some reason. -.-
07:55:06 Devastator: did the beeper break?
07:55:39 Devastator: anyway, summoning a monkey for Saeko.
RC had the idea of using 'grow' as an illusion to make it look really big for a lot less mana than just growing it would be.
07:55:52 Devastator: well, an ape, but monkey is a funnier word.
07:56:43 syv: I don't think so, but I guess it's possible.
07:57:26 Devastator:
PW said so. Essentially a d4 spell can make it look five times bigger.
07:57:33 Devastator: but yeah, gotta thank
RC for that.
08:21:33 Devastator: hopefully it works.
08:23:50 syv: I don't see how it wouldn't. d4 cost spell, you have lots of mana, and a giant ape is pretty dang scary.
08:28:26 Devastator: I also have to make an ape, though.
08:29:43 syv: Thought that was easy, you have "ape" don't you?
08:36:52 Devastator: but it's another failure chance.
08:43:44 Devastator: maybe this time
PW will describe the magic! ;-p
08:45:36 Devastator: Also, Katia's up to an 11 strength alcohol addiction. It seems to have reduced the time satisfied by a drink.
08:46:00 Devastator: So she's now at the point where she has to go to bed half-wasted to keep satisfied by the booze.
08:49:55 syv: ...Actually, that's just accurate to Katia.
08:50:24 syv: She has to drink heavily before she sleeps, else she'll get a big hit to her morale.
08:53:46 Devastator: Well, you do that because the 'sated' counter doesn't tick down when sleeping, which lets you get the first drink of the next day to increase it further.
08:54:20 Devastator: that gives you more time to get de-wasted before the cravings kick in, which means you don't need to hit the 'vomiting' stage by the end of the day.
08:54:53 Devastator: but a few more points and it'll be suffer from shakes with morale trashed for several hours a day, or finish the day vomiting up alcohol.
08:58:41 syv: Do you know if there's any mechanical cap to the addiction counter? Or will Katia just keep getting more and more addicted until she runs out of alcohol?
08:59:19 Devastator: well, there is a cap, but it would be far too high to be reachable.
08:59:26 Devastator: depending on how it's stored.
08:59:58 Devastator: I've been drinking heavily for 15 in game days and have only hit 11, remember.
09:00:05 syv: Wonder what the game's like at that point. Perhaps even continually drinking alcohol every turn isn't sufficient to sate you.
09:00:22 Devastator: I can't tell, the new addiction mechanics aren't well documented.
09:00:55 Devastator: I'm not even sure I'm actually suffering from a smaller satiation period.
09:01:13 syv: That's not *that* unreasonable. That's the game equivalent of, what, six months? There's heavy drinkers who go longer than that... though perhaps you're drunker than continual drunkards get.
09:01:38 Devastator: Also, the issue I'm running into is due to a combination of Lightweight (which adds 50% duration for alcohol effects) and Addictive Personality (which makes addiction more likely and reduces sated times to 3/4 of the normal length.
09:02:04 Devastator: Also, apparently I shouldn't take a drink until I have to.
09:04:06 Devastator: old mechanics had it only reset to the satiation cap, regardless of when you take a drink.
09:04:11 Devastator: I don't know if that's still the case.
09:04:32 Devastator: so when I start the day, I should take advantage of the lack of tickdown to shorten the day, so to speak.
09:20:09 Devastator: Heh, Egan failing to sleep.
09:21:55 Devastator: 'you stare at the sky. Dang.'
09:30:54 Devastator: oh well. Lets see if the ape can work things out.
09:34:15 syv: Do you have any way of ensuring the ape is angrier at the bugs than at you?
09:35:36 Devastator: summons are friendly to you.
09:41:48 Devastator: heh, Saeko is making things bigger, Nanami wants to get prettier, and I'm trying to get Katia drunker.
09:44:05 syv: While Alida is getting... stronger, I guess. Deader too, quite possibly.
09:44:28 syv: Does Katia have magical powers yet?
09:46:35 Devastator: no, unless you count insanity.
09:46:48 Devastator: But yeah, Alida isn't getting stronger unless some other girl shapes her.
09:47:11 Devastator: I don't think ordinary exercise would work for the living dead.
09:48:03 syv: Stronger in terms of levels. :P
09:49:28 Devastator: I kinda meant as a physical status, like the other three.
09:49:45 Devastator: And we know MGs dont' age, from Homura.
09:52:20 syv: We actually don't, she was time-traveling, and may have reset herself with each loop/
09:54:57 Devastator: well, if they do age then yes, she could get normally stronger.
10:02:42 Devastator: although it would break into investigating how MGs differ from normal people.
10:03:51 Devastator: and I don't think you want to deal with that.
10:03:58 Devastator: despite all the walls o' tinker,
syv. ;-p
10:04:40 syv: Like half the reason I liked PM3 so much was the cosmology and rules of how things work. Of COURSE I'd want to deal with that!
10:07:46 syv: That wiki is just cancerous.
10:11:17 Devastator: You do know that'll mean Alida will try to exercise, right?
10:11:26 Devastator: now that you've granted me permission.
10:11:40 syv: Okay? I don't have any issue with that.
10:12:24 Devastator: oh, thought you said something like not to do that in the past.
10:12:59 syv: If you actually want that to have any chance of it having in-game effects, you'd have to specifically mention it as something she does, next timeskip.
10:13:51 syv: I don't think so? At most I might've said something like "I'd rather people not do things which would provide only a tiny relative increase, because then I have to track it"... but it's not really that much of an issue.
10:14:30 syv: Though TBH if Alida moves from top 5% strongest to top 3% strongest, it isn't gonna mean much of anything. Maybe she'll have a slight edge if she meets another Brave.
10:15:27 Devastator: With a magical body, I don't see why it would stop there, given that she isn't human.
10:16:02 syv: ...Suppose I haven't mentioned this before, but Alida even before her wish was already really damn strong. Stronger than most buys her age. "Talented" in any stat means you're damn near the best in that, and Bravery is strength and melee combat skill.
10:22:01 Devastator: well, probably try it anyway, something might happen.
10:28:02 Devastator: especially since being magical might lead to odd stuff.
10:28:46 Devastator: like if others can accidently turn into birds..
10:41:15 syv: Accidentally giving your friends acute radiation poisoning by singing karaoke too passionately.
10:42:21 Devastator: If that happens getting stronger than the human body can handle should be possible.
10:42:55 Devastator: Did the other two make it?
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10:53:15 syv: That video is absurdly nerdy.
10:53:46 syv: No. That's an understatement, it's several orders of magnitude more nerdy than "absurdly".
11:02:05 syv: It reminds me of 0.5 A presses.
11:04:14 syv: Though it actually manages to be even *more* indulgently pointless.
11:12:06 Devastator: eh, I've got enough pointless videos to watch.
11:12:28 Devastator: and I'd rather speculate about self-indulgent characters in miscellaneous forum games.
11:16:34 syv: That one's actually pretty good, as pointless videos go. It involves teleporting Mario through quantum parallel universes.
11:28:21 Devastator: hmm, any other characters need a more goal.
11:28:34 Devastator: Thag is sadly the leader and can't do stuff like that.
11:29:58 syv: Thag wants more territory, of course!
11:30:23 syv: You've basically got a free pick of any hex in the entire city, after all.
11:35:33 Devastator: but we got the issue of the two superweapons.
11:38:52 Devastator: Yeah. The Church and the Necromancers each have a superweapon either complete or under development.
11:38:57 Devastator: Either one will destroy the city.
11:39:05 Devastator: We need to make sure they don't get used/finished.
11:39:18 Devastator: The necro one is called 'Doomsday Device'
11:39:52 syv: Corven would actually be fully in support of that, considering he's rather interested in protecting the city.
11:41:19 Devastator: Well, I might look for some help once Thag knows what we're doing.
11:45:22 Devastator: Truth, we might need to make an attack on both at once.
11:46:20 Devastator: It's one of the reasons why I chose the target we did, so we can get some manpower in case we have to split the team.
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20:20:31 Devastator: It seems more like 'cult leader sim'
20:25:27 ER: Looks like they took down the prototype/demo now that the game is out, but I still have it if you want to try.
20:26:04 Devastator: maybe this weekend.
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