02:40:52 Devastator: hmm, more
PW rules.
02:41:00 Devastator: he's finally making a game about skelebones.
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02:57:30 syv: ...Hello. Exclamation point?
02:57:50 Devastator: Looks like coven will continue after the break.
02:58:28 syv: How much longer will the break be?
02:58:47 Devastator: Until his exams are over in June.
02:59:19 Devastator: I don't know what day in June that is.
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03:00:08 syv: Hell, Exciting Rapscallion.
03:02:49 Devastator: Need an exclamation point for that, though.
03:02:55 Devastator: Hell! Exciting Rapscallion!
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03:19:15 syv: Hey
ER, can Jag get an autoloader for his missile launcher for XP? It's a modification of the gun, not the mech, so the new nature of the stalker shouldn't be an issue.
03:19:54 ER: Sure, increases weight of the mech though.
03:21:15 syv: If I swap the H missile launcher for the lower size missile launcher, would that give any mechanical benefit? Or can I not equip small weapons on heavy hardpoints?
03:28:56 ER: Unsure why you took artillery on your "melee" character
03:30:21 Devastator: If he can take the explosions and the enemy can't, could be viable.
03:30:45 syv: Because it's the only ranged weapon that doesn't require Arcane, on the highest-possible arcane drain mech setup.
03:31:02 ER: YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE THINGS ON THE LIST
03:31:11 syv: It also has utility, since missiles can carry variable payloads, and some autonomy, because missiles can track.
03:31:50 syv: And finally it covers Jag's one weakness, not being able to do anything about faster enemies at extreme range. Missiles are overall pretty great for him.
03:32:03 ER: If you want a no-arcane heavy melee, you can tinker that!
03:32:45 syv: I asked if I could have a melee overhaul fitting for a stalker (I.E. not a weapon requiring an arm) that doesn't cost arcane, you said no.
03:33:42 syv: I could reasonably get free bullets, but bullets are inferior to missiles on account of not having interesting payloads.
03:34:49 syv: The most reasonable would be to get a 40mm GMG equivalent, but that'd practically be stealing from Radio, and loses out on range and tracking over the missiles.
03:35:34 Devastator: couldn't you just get a couple machine guns?
03:35:52 syv: Yeah, I just called them bullets. :P
03:36:16 syv: Bullets don't spray fire in a huge AoE.
03:37:40 Devastator: Pretty good sometimes, but fair point.
03:37:58 Devastator: I would argue that's only the case if you don't have enough bullets. ;-p
03:38:45 syv:
ER, can I get a GAU-8 with incendiary ammo plox?
03:40:01 ER: There is no weapon with such a designation in this universe. But yes.
03:40:32 syv: Can Sasha still walk while carrying it?
03:41:25 ER: A minigun would be lighter than your current xbox hueg missile launcher
03:42:18 syv: The GAU-8 is frigging enormous.
03:44:00 Devastator: You could get a GAU-12.
03:45:12 Devastator: A lot more compact. Less firepower, but not that much less.
03:50:35 syv: If that thing is *lighter* than my missiles, I think I'm seriously underestimating their powe.
03:52:50 syv: I should get that even heavier russian version, because it also provides flight.
03:57:15 Devastator: uncontrolled flight.
03:57:29 Devastator: and the russian one would kill you with richochets.
03:57:45 Devastator: hell, the regular one might kill you with ricochets.
04:00:16 syv: I find that fairly doubtful, I'm in a heavily armored mech, and ricochets lose the vast majority of their energy. Plus I'd actually use explosive rounds because I have to.
04:03:58 syv:
ER, stop playing Dark Souls and reformat your computer or whatever it is you need to do to fix Hunt.
04:04:22 Devastator: Well, you could finish off Lufia tonight.. ;-p
04:05:37 ER: I need to buy a new copy on windows, which I will do, but need to get my money in the right place first >_>
04:06:02 Devastator: Don't you have a credit card?
04:06:28 syv: What I'm hearing is "Refund the game
syv and buy DSR instead."
04:11:01 syv: If you're having trouble coming up with the money you could try and pirate windows. I highly doubt you need 10, and it can't be *that* hard, right?
04:14:33 Devastator: You might actually need 10, depending on just how recent the game is.
04:37:11 Devastator: Personally I think I'd rather see Lufia finished than a PS update..
04:40:01 Devastator: ..I'm not actually sure how to parse that. Because I'm selfish?
04:40:24 syv: But PS is a nice thing for a number of other people, and also me, and my preference outweighs everyone else combined.
04:40:36 syv: Because Lufia is your thing and PS isn't.
04:41:29 Devastator: I do think Lufia would be a worthwhile experience for you, though.
04:42:19 syv: Also relevant: I procrastinate about PS waaaay harder than Lufia.
04:44:05 Devastator: You're very close to the end, which is why I'd like to see you finish it off.
04:45:25 Devastator: The selfish part is that you'll be the first person I've recommended it to who actually finished it.
05:20:21 ER: Uh, should I swap out my wolf ring for the flip ring, fighting O&S? Because I seem to be getting knocked the fuck over by the lightest of taps ANYWAY, so I may as well get some more i-frames, right?
05:22:03 syv: You only need i-frames for Ornstein jumps, but they don't really have poisebreak combos, so yes.
05:24:11 syv: If you're not using a shield flip just wins flat out, for virtually anything. :P
05:27:23 Devastator: shields are for people who aren't me. ;-p
05:27:28 Devastator: you aren't me, therefore you should use a shield.
05:28:06 ER: I used a shield this playthrough back when I started with a dagger.
05:28:32 ER: Then I upgraded to a shortsword, and could still use a heater shield with that.
05:29:01 ER: then I upgraded to claymore, and after a bit of Str leveling I could use the heater with that, too.
05:29:41 ER: Then I upgraded to the zwei, and with havel's ring I can use the heater with that if I don't need to be attacking at the same time.
05:30:18 ER: NOW I'm using the Greatsword, and most certainly cannot fit a shield into my build if I also want to be wearing clothes.
05:31:22 Devastator: I think your issue is that your upgrades don't actually upgrade anything.
05:31:49 Devastator: or maybe you should take off the clothes.
05:32:21 syv: If you're using ultras, wolf actually might be better. That way a trade with Ornstein can lead to a stunlock.
05:32:46 syv: Though, the Greatsword is actually a downgrade from the zwei. Just FYI.
05:33:23 ER: Yeah, but I'm ALWAYS using the zwei
05:33:57 Devastator: I thought you were using an axe last playthrough.
05:33:58 syv: The greatsword's virtuallyidentical except a slower swing and worse R2s. :\
05:34:12 syv: If you want to mix it up, use a great scythe or a curved sword.
05:34:30 syv: Rapiers are also pretty fun with leo rings.
05:34:45 syv: Quelaag's furysword looks awesome, especially dual-wielded.
05:34:53 ER: And the R2 is fun, if not good.
05:39:29 ER: Because fighting O&S will be easier if I do it later.
05:40:40 ER: fuck huntshowdown hasn't started magically working
05:46:08 ER: So far, I still lack a third mech player in P&P, only radio has confirmed to my big bold text in Chalice that he's actually still in the gang, and nobody's responded to me trying to start a minigame in the coven thread.
05:48:03 Devastator: I don't see anything against that, but maybe something less organized would do better, like a mini-suggestion game.
05:48:21 Devastator: or maybe we should go with the same or similar characters in london, instead of new ones.
05:48:23 ER: and in blood and glory, our cartographer appears to have died, and two people besides aren't actually doing or saying anything.
05:48:25 syv:
parisbre56[Away], wanna play a mech smashing puny human mages?
05:57:09 syv: There, I posted in Chalice, so at least one of your problems is solved.
05:57:27 syv: Now to go back to not solving my problem. -.-
06:01:46 syv: If you recommend that I play that instead of actually working on PS again, I'm deleting the game from my phone.
06:03:06 ER: instead of actually updating your game.
06:03:27 ER: and absolutely not go delete the game, because it's good.
06:05:13 Devastator: Nah, of course not. But if you're dithering about killing time and not working on it, might as well play something good.
06:06:21 syv: Dithering about is my process for starting work. If I commit to actually doing something else, then it never transitions from dithering to workit.
06:17:04 Devastator: because she doesn't do much?
06:18:53 syv: No, that's Mina, who I also hate. Asha's just cringey.
06:19:09 Devastator: Is there anyone you don't hate?
06:19:29 Devastator: 'It hurts me to see my totem destroyed.' Sure, I have infinite copies, but it huuurts me.
06:20:11 ER: i mean sophia's pretty great right
06:23:48 syv: Tooru and Alida are pretty much fine except for being social, Sophia's great because she's an angry antisocial ass.
06:24:08 syv: Aleksandra's also not bad.
06:24:26 ER: You haven't even seen what she does in a social context yet. :p
06:24:29 Devastator: "Elon Musk is still complaining about negative press a day later, which surprises me because I assumed his battery would have run out after a few hours."
06:24:52 Devastator: I can't see someone growing up with six siblings ever being an antisocial ass.
06:25:23 Devastator: You're not dead if you get to make actions.
06:26:45 syv: Also, it is not even vaugely difficult to imagine what Sophia's like in public.
06:27:17 ER: I foresee at least some casual holding people at gunpoint.
06:27:30 syv: *Especially *after* the end of her little aventure.
06:28:08 ER: Also if I manage to scavange some physical shotgun shells, I'm totally giving a copy of my totem to the ward for protection.
06:34:04 Devastator: Except you don't have soul left to summon anything.
06:34:22 Devastator: Might be worse that way, because then the ward will be a target.
06:34:59 syv: Remind me to buff manabolt by removing its suicide ability
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09:43:21 parisbre56: What is this about smashing humans
09:43:34 parisbre56: I hear you talking about?
09:44:07 Devastator:
ER wants another mech player in P&P to balance the sides out.
09:45:17 parisbre56: link? I'll check it out
09:45:40 syv: We only have two mech players, because the third committed suicide by injecting magical motor oil into her arteries. Both of the waitlisters are for the mage team, too.
09:46:46 parisbre56: That's surprising. I thought people would consider Mechs cooler
09:47:09 Devastator: Everyone wanted to be a mage in
ER.
09:47:14 Devastator: Why would it be different anywhere else?
09:48:44 parisbre56: Also, injecting weird stuff to yourself is a very
ER thing to do
09:49:11 parisbre56: "I'm going to eat this Eldritch abomination. it might give me superpowers!"
09:49:54 Devastator: Well, it proved more dangerous than Instant Death.
09:51:08 syv: It was stated to be a guaranteed roll-less death, but she still tried it for science. Egan rolled to see if she was too incompetent to extract the stuff, she got a five, so death. And no science was gained, either.
09:51:41 syv: I got half of a levelup for correctly predicting that it was a terrible idea though, so it wasn't a complete waste~
09:52:03 Devastator: use a chicken first.
09:52:30 syv: That would be immoral, the chicken can't give consent.
09:53:41 Devastator: But how can you ride around the world on the back of a chicken without doing that?
09:53:59 Devastator: (Maybe I should explain this to
parisbre.)
09:57:38 parisbre56: gave a quick read to the Mechs, looks fun.
09:57:58 parisbre56: I'll try to get a sheet when I have some time
09:58:13 parisbre56: got to go dig a hole now, but before I go
09:58:24 parisbre56: got any suggestion for mech type?
09:58:28 Devastator: have you been around the world six times on the back of a chicken?
09:58:33 parisbre56: need a sniper/medic?
09:58:34 Devastator: Go with the big one.
09:59:05 syv: Hardsuits are fun IMO, but me and Radio have a good spread of available mechs whatever you choose.
10:00:21 syv: We don't have a medic, and aren't specced for shooting, but Hiddenleafguy did leave Radio his sniper cannon mech.
10:00:47 syv: And my char has repair drones, which should work okay in that role.
10:01:29 parisbre56: ok, thanks, I'll check it out
10:07:00 parisbre56: oh dear, what is that guy's deal with chickens?
10:07:17 parisbre56: is there some chicken cult I'm not aware of?
10:07:18 Devastator: Too much time alone in the woods.
10:07:33 syv: Alone, except for the chickens.
10:07:34 Devastator: Proper Frontier Gibberish.
10:07:47 Devastator: Although he does have a point in that people everywhere eat chickens.
10:07:58 Devastator: and being a chicken man, he could make his way through just about anywhere.
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21:19:57 Radio_Controlled: Good evening you endless radar revisions.
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21:34:51 Radio_Controlled: The ceiling, hopefully.
21:35:55 parisbre56: The sky, at the moment
21:35:55 parisbre56: thankfully it's not falling
21:36:19 Radio_Controlled: Doing some quick research for 888th right now.
21:37:06 Radio_Controlled: Ozarck's making a baseball reference, but I know next to nothing about that, and certainly not of baseball circa 1944!
21:37:12 parisbre56: in other news,
syv suggested I make a Mecha for P&P
21:37:12 parisbre56: And
Dev suggested I make a Titan
21:37:47 Radio_Controlled: Maybe I should just bluff my way through.
21:38:02 Radio_Controlled: Oh yeah, we sort of need a third mech player.
21:38:18 Radio_Controlled: I'd not go for a titan though, personally.
21:39:01 Radio_Controlled: Unless the mission is a very specific one, it sort of seems like overkill with the heavy weapons, and it isn't very energy efficient either. Makes for a nice shield though.
21:39:32 parisbre56: I'm working on a character at the moment but I think it might be a bit too minmaxed
21:39:32 parisbre56: and I'm not even sure I've understood character creation properly
21:39:33 Radio_Controlled: Though I guess if you take weapons that don't need arcane, or only need a little, it could still work out.
21:39:49 Radio_Controlled: If you want, I can drop you a link to the P&P discord.
21:39:58 Radio_Controlled: We have a subchannel specifically for mech talk.
21:41:13 parisbre56: Oh dear, internet connection here is crap. Sorry, I couldn't see your messages, just got them
21:41:36 Radio_Controlled: Heh, yeah, always annoying.
21:42:32 Radio_Controlled: What's the last message from me that you saw?
21:49:25 Radio_Controlled:
Hello Apemantus.
21:50:13 Radio_Controlled: I heard you were trying to unduly influence
paris over here with your luscious lies.
21:50:42 Devastator: I just said go with the big robot and be all shooty.
21:51:11 Devastator: If that is undue influence, I think you neet to get over it.
21:51:22 Radio_Controlled: It's an enticing option, but probably not the most efficient.
21:51:28 Radio_Controlled: I was joking, sheesh.
21:51:34 parisbre56: Oh dear, internet connection here is crap. Sorry, I couldn't see your messages, just got them
21:51:53 parisbre56: why IRc, that's not the message I sent!
21:52:47 parisbre56: Sorry, I'm trying this Android client but it's not as good as advertised
21:53:20 Radio_Controlled: Three heavy weapons sounds nice, and certainly allows you to take something good at every engagement range. But if you can only fire one every turn, you're wasting quite a bit of your potential.
21:54:00 parisbre56: The message I meant to send was: If it's all direct combat then a good alpha strike is all you need
21:54:00 parisbre56: And A Titan should be perfect for that
21:54:02 Radio_Controlled: Meanwhile, a battle gear gives you a heavy and a light weapon, which is probably enough most of the time, while being more energy efficient and having jump jets.
21:54:23 Radio_Controlled: True, in the mission we just had a titan would've been good to have.
21:54:36 Radio_Controlled: But it's a bit of a one-trick pony.
21:54:45 parisbre56: Wait, you can only fire one weapon? or do you mean arcane-fueled weapons?
21:55:03 Radio_Controlled: That said, due to Leaf offing himself and giving his mech to me, we do have a battle gear 'in the garage' so to speak.
21:55:24 Radio_Controlled: So if you take a titan but it's not optimal for the mission, you have a backup option.
21:55:34 Radio_Controlled: I think so, yeah, but I'm not 100% sure.
21:55:53 parisbre56: Well, you can always deactivate the Titan and have it soak damage :P
21:56:09 parisbre56: It's got the HP for it
21:56:17 Radio_Controlled: I could check with Egan though, but that's how I think it works based on what I've seen so far.
21:56:47 Radio_Controlled: If that's incorrect and you can fire 2 or even three weapons in a turn, that /drastically/ changes things.
21:57:07 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, titan is a nice distraction Carnifex!
21:58:01 parisbre56: Not sure I like the character
21:58:40 Radio_Controlled: Asked the question on the discord.
21:58:48 Radio_Controlled: Egan isn't on though.
21:59:04 parisbre56: I should probably join that sometime
21:59:10 parisbre56: or maybe just PM him
21:59:39 Devastator: eh, not all characters can be beauty-enhanced succubi. ;-p
22:00:05 Radio_Controlled: YOu can only take 2 positive traits and one negative trait I think?
22:02:25 parisbre56: I was looking at the old thread and I saw you could take many traits
22:02:32 parisbre56: I guess it doesn't apply to the new one
22:02:45 parisbre56: Should redesign that then
22:02:47 Radio_Controlled: "Traits: one beneficial physical trait, one beneficial mental trait, one detrimental mental trait. ...Use you own judgment, these are probably impossible to balance."
22:03:20 Radio_Controlled: I do approve of the aiming trait though, that's something we could use.
22:04:18 Radio_Controlled: Given how in the last match, out of 7 shots the mech team fired one way or another, only 1 was a decent hit and two were light grazes, the rest all missed.
22:05:44 Radio_Controlled: Also, if I'm reading your weapons right, the idea is: rotary cannon for short to midrange firepower and suppression, flamer for short range and melee range fighting and area denial, and finally the beam cannon for long range firepower?
22:06:00 parisbre56: Well, if the enemy team gets to dodge or otherwise react then that would be bad for your chances
22:06:26 parisbre56: With the mech's limited fuel and ammo all they have to do is outlive you
22:06:34 Radio_Controlled: Our rolls last match weren't great, yeah.
22:07:13 parisbre56: Yeah, you read that right
22:07:22 Radio_Controlled: True, that's the paradigm we've come upon right now: mechs want to force the mages into a single decisive engagement as soon as they can, beginning at range if possible to exploit our advantage in ranged firepower.
22:07:36 parisbre56: I was thinking grenade launcher or flak cannon instead of the rotary cannon
22:07:42 Radio_Controlled: Mages are more suited for hit-and-run, guerrilla warfare.
22:07:43 Devastator: the flamer is probably a good idea. You've got allies with explosive weapons for long range, so you might be better doing coups-de-grace with that laser.
22:08:05 Devastator: A laser does get an advantage due to being so quick-firing, though, you'd probably get an initiative bonus to move first.
22:08:08 parisbre56: But something you can use to hit multiple long range targets could be useful against illusions or to destroy to environment
22:08:25 Devastator: I know that
ER cared a bit about flight times for weapons.
22:08:50 Radio_Controlled: I'd consider replacing the laser with something like an earthcracker or heavy missile though.
22:09:13 Radio_Controlled: To counteract the rather high arcane use of mechs.
22:09:45 Devastator: a flamer shouldn't be particularly high arcane use.
22:09:53 parisbre56: Hmm... I guess there's not that high a chance I'll need to kill something heavily armored
22:10:06 Devastator: And you don't have to fire weapons.
22:10:13 Devastator: so their costs are only expensive when needed.
22:10:27 Radio_Controlled: One problem the flamer might run into is that
syv is mainly interested in going for melee once they get close, and a flamer is rather, ah, indiscriminate in what it burns.
22:10:48 parisbre56: I want the flamer so I can shoot myself with it
22:10:49 Radio_Controlled: Thing is, most heavy weapons are massive overkill anyways.
22:10:52 Devastator: That's fine, probably less damage to the mech.
22:11:02 parisbre56: someone with blink climbing on me would be hard to hit
22:11:12 Devastator: Nah, I really think you want someone with a fast long-range weapon due to the enemy having rapid teleportation.
22:11:27 Devastator: You can't hit someone with a grenade if the someone isn't there when it lands.
22:11:52 Radio_Controlled: You could consider a sort of surface defense weapon as well.
22:12:11 Radio_Controlled: That might allow you to keep melee dudes away without hurting yourself.
22:12:20 parisbre56: I considered just straight out copying
ER mech defense systems
22:12:27 parisbre56: But I'm not sure it's allowed
22:12:39 parisbre56: since they aren't harpoints
22:12:51 Radio_Controlled: I'm not sure if egan takes blinking into account when rolling for attack and dodge, but even then you could specify to try and shoot after an enemy mage has blinked.
22:12:51 Devastator: long range missiles are very slow to get started, plenty of time to dodge or deflect it or whatever.
22:13:14 Radio_Controlled: And about flight time, that as well is something I'm not sure is actually 'modeled' in the game.
22:14:04 Devastator:
ER was mentioning here about how the only reason you got hits on that first attack was because all the mages were doing like 8 things before evading.
22:14:08 Radio_Controlled: At first, I thought that missiles would have a sort of bonus to hit due to tracking, but take a long time (eg a turn) to hit due to arcing, but that didn't seem to occur when
syv used his.
22:15:15 Radio_Controlled: Well,
ER also said I could fire two grenades a turn but that never happened either, so, yeah. :p
22:15:35 Devastator: Eh, I'm just saying what he said while writing the turn..
22:15:37 Devastator: so it mgiht matter.
22:15:51 Devastator: of course, if you put in a fast weapon it might make him remember that everyone else has slow weapons.
22:16:18 Devastator: although I think he is doing that, with how your weapons don't usually hit until the end of the turn.
22:16:38 Devastator: Might be like spell initiative penalties.
22:16:38 parisbre56: I don't see how bullets are slow, unless someone has superhuman speed
22:16:44 Radio_Controlled: True, it might, but it might also just change the flavor of the description, with the real outcomes not really changing.
22:16:49 parisbre56: or you have no bullet weapons on your Mechs
22:16:50 Devastator: Not bullets, but grenades and missiles.
22:16:59 Devastator: they don't attack much with bullets.
22:17:25 parisbre56: got to go offline for a few minutes
22:17:28 Radio_Controlled: I mean, he says my trait gives bonuses to spotting things, then in the first turn he just rolls a single unmodified die for both teams.
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22:18:39 Devastator: I think they also had someone with spotting bonuses.
22:18:42 Radio_Controlled: Don't get me wrong, I like the game quite a bit, but Egan isn't the most rigorous when it comes to applying his system.
22:19:38 Radio_Controlled: He literally said he just rolled a die though.
22:19:41 Radio_Controlled: "I didn't want to go through rolling perception for everyone, including people on both sides who would have advantage to do that, so I just rolled once for each team. It would... probably be logical to give mages advantage normally if I'm doing it like that, given that they're looking out for larger targets and have a larger field of vision when mechs are lo"
22:19:50 Radio_Controlled: "larger field of vision when mechs are low-power."
22:20:10 Devastator: well, mechs even at low power would probably have better optics.
22:20:39 Radio_Controlled: We can discuss how certain things should or shouldn't work realistically speaking, but at the end of the day if it's not 'modeled' then all it changes is some flavor text, if that.
22:21:20 Radio_Controlled: Now, I'm not one to say we should approach this game from a pure mechanics/numbers approach with no regards to other things, far from it!
22:21:58 Radio_Controlled: Just that a lot of these considerations might, in the end, not really amount to much gains on the battlefield.
22:23:09 Radio_Controlled: Oh, and by the way, this is how my trait is worded: " Vigilant ((Advantage to spot things.))".
22:23:11 Devastator: Eh, it can have enjoyment in it.
22:26:09 Radio_Controlled: Either way, for a titan something like 'earthshaker cannon' (mid-long range, explosive, good ammo, no arcane), vulcan cannon (short-mid range, no or light arcane use, suppression, direct fire) and surface defense (short-melee range, probably uses arcane) would seem like a good mix, and is close to what
Paris was considering.
22:26:36 Devastator: I'd still rather have the fast weapon be the long-ranged one.
22:26:50 Devastator: arcane cost be damned.
22:27:29 Radio_Controlled: Couple it with a trait for accuracy, and maybe one for mobility to counteract the weight of the mech, and should be good.
22:28:25 Radio_Controlled: Flamer can replace surface defense for added utility and area denial, but harder to use for self-defense. Heavy missile could replace cannon for higher damage and arcing (to eg. shoot over a hill) but at cost of ammo.
22:28:38 Radio_Controlled: That cannon fires a fairly fast shell though?
22:28:52 Radio_Controlled: If I understand it correctly, it's like a modern tank cannon.
22:29:25 Devastator: The cannon is fast enough.
22:29:33 Devastator: just saying long-range med-range.
22:30:41 Radio_Controlled: And high arcane cost is no problem if the enemy lets themselves get drawn into a big engagement, but when they don't (or there are a ton of npc's to deal with, or multiple targets) it might just be too much (eg 10 arcane for weapon + 10 arcane for combat mode = 1/5 of your total arcane reserve in a single turn).
22:31:51 Radio_Controlled: That said, we do get to replace our weapons and other modules in between missions.
22:32:17 Radio_Controlled: So if we get another support tanker mech with extra arcane, then that doomlaser becomes much more viable!
22:35:13 Radio_Controlled: I'm considering whether to switch to the battle gear for the next match though.
22:35:22 Radio_Controlled: It'll depend on what mission is up next, of course.
22:38:27 Radio_Controlled: But now that we know their invisi-mage got a new power set. At least, that's what I think happened based on Leng's comments.
22:38:41 Radio_Controlled: From discord: "[13:43] Lenglon: Well now. This is interesting. I'm gonna need to reevaluate my inventory and combat role quite a bit."
22:39:11 Devastator: It's what happens when you get the most experience.
22:39:20 Devastator: I shouldn't have told her how to actually use her powers.
22:39:21 Radio_Controlled: So yeah, I'm guessing her powers underwent the ol' switcharoo, so decent odds on no more invisible mages.
22:39:32 Devastator: I'll bet she'll still do the invisible thing.
22:39:36 Radio_Controlled: Sewer level wouldn't even be the worst for us, I think.
22:40:17 Radio_Controlled: I'm checking with egan if thermals give any bonus to spotting normal mages, if not I'll probably ditch them for the next round at least.
22:40:48 Radio_Controlled: Sewers are enclosed, but also with nowhere to run, so as long as we're careful, I think we might do ok?
22:41:01 Devastator: Nah, Leng will still have the invisibilty thing, but someone probably told her that blocking thermals isn't a problem if you think of it.
22:41:10 Devastator: Of course, how she knows you guys were using thermal vision is another word.
22:41:29 Radio_Controlled: Something like a heavy shotgun should be able to fill a whole tunnel with undodgeable shrapnel.
22:41:40 Devastator: or just an ordinary machine gun.
22:43:01 Radio_Controlled: Funny though, the fact that I had thermals was never really relevant.
22:43:21 Radio_Controlled: Leaf shot at her, but he just shot at her general vicinity, didn't need my info.
22:43:25 Devastator: Nope! But leng blamed her getting attacked on the thermals, not that she sat in place for a bunch of actions while bombs were coming at her.
22:43:42 Radio_Controlled: So a correct conclusion based on incorrect information/assumptions.
22:44:02 Radio_Controlled: A philosopher would ask: does this person now posses true knowledge?
22:44:12 Devastator: Well.. I suspect she thought the thermals were to blame due to reading your orders to use them.
22:44:31 Radio_Controlled: My orders were spoilered.
22:45:00 Radio_Controlled: Guess she might have opened that, or looked at the mech equipment in the OP (which is allowed, by the way).
22:45:11 Devastator: 'might have', but sure.
22:45:24 Radio_Controlled: We can't really know.
22:46:28 Radio_Controlled: Though is she did retain light powers despite the vision quest, that still raises the question if thermals are worth taking again.
22:47:17 Radio_Controlled: Since if she thinks we have thermals, she might just go for complex invisi immediately anyway, against which thermals don't work.
22:48:47 Devastator: Of course she retained light powers.
22:49:06 Radio_Controlled: We can't be sure of that.
22:49:08 Devastator: Nah, it was the swift rejection of illusions due to thermals that I think it most likely.
22:49:26 Devastator: I don't have insider knowledge as to her new powers, but I'll bet anything invis is still on the list.
22:53:49 Devastator: Nah, I don't know what her new powers are. But invis will be on the list. She always plays invisible characters in every game I've ever seen her play.
22:54:47 Devastator: being untouchable is more important to her than anything else.
22:55:12 Devastator: I'm betting, from something I heard
ER say once, that it'll be 'invisible ghost spirit-mage.'
22:55:24 Radio_Controlled: I don't think she got to choose her new powers though?
22:56:19 Radio_Controlled: But yeah, egan may have just given her similar things to what she already had.
22:56:36 Devastator: oh, if it wasn't her choice that changes things.
22:56:51 Radio_Controlled: I'm not sure, honestly.
22:56:58 Devastator grumbles about being dead-on-right about her last broken character in OL.
22:57:12 Devastator: 'You're playing a mind-jacker who intends to roll everything with that illegal +4 stat.'
22:57:15 Devastator: 'I'm not a mind jacker.'
22:57:59 Devastator: in game, mind-jacks, mind-jacks, mind-jacks, and 'My ability lets me roll this with Will rather than the stat that makes sense.'
22:58:07 Devastator: happily dead now, though, so that's over.
22:59:38 Devastator: I wasn't right about every single thing, but I had about two-thirds of it.
23:01:54 Radio_Controlled: Either way, so much will depend on what the mission options are.
23:03:23 Devastator: one of the websites I read regularly seems to have changed the site so it doesn't load at all on my browser.
23:04:38 Radio_Controlled: Those monsters.
23:05:50 Devastator: It's not even the site, it's some add-on to it or trailing thing.
23:06:16 Radio_Controlled: Speaking of mission options, before I forget.
23:07:26 Devastator: hmm, some browser issue. But damned hard to track down, probably going to have to reinstall it.
23:10:02 ER has joined #einsteinianroulette
23:13:55 Radio_Controlled: Hey, so
paris might be the newest addition to the Best Ponies&pantyhoses team.
23:14:12 Devastator: and yeah,
paris seems interested in locking himself up inside a mech suit.
23:15:18 Radio_Controlled: "[01:14] Egan BW: You can freely fire exactly as many weapons as you have."
23:15:24 Radio_Controlled: Well, it seems I was dead wrong.
23:16:25 Radio_Controlled: Good news for us!
23:17:25 Devastator: next up, have six machine guns.
23:17:59 Radio_Controlled: Seems to not really gel with only getting to fire two grenades in a turn, but hey, I'm not complaining.
23:18:14 ER: You have exactly one grenade launcher.
23:19:04 ER: You might be able to get off all six tubes in a turn, technically, if aiming is not an issue at all.
23:19:17 Radio_Controlled: True, but it seems weird (to me) that you can aim and fire three heavy weapons faster than you can press the trigger three times on a light grenade launcher.
23:19:56 ER: Similarly, while you can fire all three heavy hardpoints at once in a titan, you should only expect to hit as many targets as you are capible of actually aiming at.
23:20:09 ER: Which in the case of the titan, is probably all of them.
23:20:51 Radio_Controlled: I mean, even with computer assistance, that's three independent weapons, two on an arm and one on the back, so aiming and using all three of them at once seems iffy.
23:20:58 ER: You're not aiming and firing your three weapons one at a time in one turn, no.
23:21:15 Radio_Controlled: Maybe the two arms, if they're the same weapon, I could see that.
23:21:41 ER: The third should be shoulder mounted, so you can use that too.
23:21:44 Radio_Controlled: Wait, that's opposite of what you said on the discord though?
23:22:11 Radio_Controlled: Maybe I'm misinterpreting something here.
23:23:52 Radio_Controlled: When asked "how many of its weapons can a titan mech fire in one turn?" you answered "You can freely fire exactly as many weapons as you have." But it seems the actual answer is "three, but at a penalty due to trying to aim multiple weapons"?
23:24:37 parisbre56[Away] is now known as parisbre56
23:24:57 ER: One simply elaborates on the other.
23:25:23 ER: Titan pilots are pretty awesome (TM) so you won't get disadvantage for that or anything.
23:26:18 parisbre56: You can always do the mech warrior thing, fire your lasers while the missile locks on
23:26:20 Radio_Controlled: The penalties when actually trying to fire all three is rather important, yes.
23:27:54 parisbre56: Or your can just fire in their general direction and make everything around them explode. No penalty to aim if you don't need to aim.
23:29:02 parisbre56: Anyway,
ER, for your consideration, here's what I have at the moment
23:29:07 Radio_Controlled: Given what happened to leaf, I sort of doubt that :v
23:29:32 parisbre56: from what the guys have told me some things need to change)
23:29:57 Devastator: better written than the usual political trash.
23:36:21 ER: cut traits down to three and I think you're good there
23:37:59 Radio_Controlled: So now that we have our third mechie, the age old question reasserts itself.
23:38:16 Radio_Controlled: Pandas&Pimps when?
23:39:49 Radio_Controlled: You gotta have that link on speed dial by now.
23:42:25 Radio_Controlled: Hope we get a Cabal update tonight though.
23:42:38 Devastator: Yeah, that'd be nice.
23:42:41 Radio_Controlled: Kind sorta wanna shove pan into that arena.
23:42:55 Radio_Controlled: And see how the painting and the bugmen ambush develops!
23:43:35 Devastator: That may not be the best thing to link,
ER.
23:43:43 Devastator: 'It looks like Clang is dead in the water, the money has ran out and worse still it has came to light that the Kickstarter funds were only to entice venture capitalists! what a bunch of gits, looks like an old case of "money talks, bulls**t walks"'
23:45:57 Radio_Controlled: Hey, we had to wait like 2 weeks for that first turn.
23:47:58 parisbre56: That's great! I'll make some final edits and post it
23:47:59 ER: I can *only imagine* what it must feel like to wait on an RTD for that long!
23:48:43 parisbre56:
RC has made some good points that I might be better off with some of the existing weapons
23:48:43 Radio_Controlled: I can think of no game that you are in that has such delays.
23:48:48 Radio_Controlled: Nope, none at all.
23:48:49 ER: how very unusual that a game on the bay 12 forums would go so long without a turn!
23:48:59 Radio_Controlled: I know right!
23:57:10 parisbre56: Well, to be fair he is in my game and I haven't updated for like... three weeks I think?
23:57:19 parisbre56: oh, wait, that was sarcasm
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