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06-05-2024 02:46:28 -!- Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
06-05-2024 02:46:28 -!- Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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06-05-2024 04:32:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:iqmk:siuo:ujjk:uslw:npxw: heya.
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06-05-2024 06:04:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: heyo
06-05-2024 06:08:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: agg, there's one of the Kilrathi heavy fighters waiting for me on the other side of this jump point.
06-05-2024 06:08:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: and I've got an unupgraded starter ship.
06-05-2024 06:12:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: What game is this?
06-05-2024 06:12:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: I assume the Kill Wrath Eeee! are evil, violent, and angry?
06-05-2024 06:13:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Ascii Sector.
06-05-2024 06:13:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: it's very vaguely set in the Wing Commander universe.
06-05-2024 06:13:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: The Kilrathi are the space Klingons.  Also cats.
06-05-2024 06:13:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: because.
06-05-2024 06:18:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: They're as violent as cats and as evil and angry as cats.
06-05-2024 06:19:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: They're also really nice to fight in boarding actions, if you can manage to not die, because they use super-guns that sell for like 10% of the cost of a ship.
06-05-2024 06:22:28 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq is now interested
06-05-2024 06:22:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Klingon space cats?
06-05-2024 06:23:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Hrm
06-05-2024 06:23:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Lion furries
06-05-2024 06:24:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Actual housecats would be a lot cooler
06-05-2024 06:24:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: I like Egan's Ocean setting
06-05-2024 06:24:52 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: ocean kitties could be pirates
06-05-2024 06:24:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: He's brave enough to just make an important species actual literal housecats, just they're intelligent and can talk.
06-05-2024 06:24:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Yeah, basically lion furries.
06-05-2024 06:24:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Hah.
06-05-2024 06:25:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: I raised this point with Leng when talking about my char, pointing out that furries are really kinda boring.
06-05-2024 06:25:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Just people with weird heads and fur most of the time
06-05-2024 06:26:01 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: they're wildcats, and more dog sized
06-05-2024 06:26:03 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: but yeah
06-05-2024 06:26:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: And most actual furries don't even make anything like interesting lore
06-05-2024 06:26:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: heh.
06-05-2024 06:26:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: They're elves with fur.
06-05-2024 06:26:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: usually.
06-05-2024 06:26:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Yes.  Boring.
06-05-2024 06:26:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: I wish the Elder Scrolls games did interesting stuff with khajiit subspecies.
06-05-2024 06:27:02 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: and non-social sapients, so a little of of blue-orange morality, which works well for klingon-likes
06-05-2024 06:27:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: I recall reading one of the in-game books about military tactics with a bunch of their weird ass subspecies, and have ALWAYS thought that was so cool
06-05-2024 06:27:28 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: intelligence evolved to be better at sorcery, hehe
06-05-2024 06:27:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Half of that was just because they couldn't decide on a model and the lore guys were high on drugs.
06-05-2024 06:27:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: More furries need to get high, clearly.
06-05-2024 06:27:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Yeah, maybe!
06-05-2024 06:28:14 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: yeah I wish you could choose your khajiit subrace in elder scrolls
06-05-2024 06:28:34 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: just make half the race choices be different khajiit :p
06-05-2024 06:28:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: There are like six different kinds of elves, right?
06-05-2024 06:28:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: "Remember that incident where someone crashed a furry con by trying to poison them with chlorine gas?  Fund my patreon and I'll recreate it, just with LSD!  Let's make the furry fandom INTERESTING!"
06-05-2024 06:29:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Yeah.
06-05-2024 06:29:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: and zero kinds of (extant) dwarves >:|
06-05-2024 06:29:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Orcs are elves too, which I guess is actually classic rather than a subversion.
06-05-2024 06:29:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Hah.
06-05-2024 06:29:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Dwsrves are also elves
06-05-2024 06:29:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: I don't know, there are some interesting elf lore in TES.
06-05-2024 06:30:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Dark elves being assholes to the point where they have mages literally married to clones of themselves is impressive.
06-05-2024 06:30:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Dwemer, Bosmer, Altmer, Dunmer, Orsimer...
06-05-2024 06:30:53 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq googles whether khajiit are actually elves too
06-05-2024 06:30:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: ...Yup.
06-05-2024 06:31:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: "Betmer".
06-05-2024 06:31:20 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: yeah I think it's split into humans and elves
06-05-2024 06:31:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Oh and then falmer
06-05-2024 06:31:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Seven I can think of, then.
06-05-2024 06:31:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: And dragons.
06-05-2024 06:31:41 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: unless the lizzords are actually different
06-05-2024 06:31:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: humans, elves, and dragons.
06-05-2024 06:31:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: and yeah, the lizards might be different.
06-05-2024 06:32:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: and no, I'm not counting recent lore for dragons.  ;-p
06-05-2024 06:32:02 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: something something hist sap
06-05-2024 06:32:14 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: how many year back is "recent"
06-05-2024 06:32:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: for dragons, anything before skyrim.
06-05-2024 06:32:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: for other stuff, skyrim and later is fine.
06-05-2024 06:33:07 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: sooo, 13 years?
06-05-2024 06:33:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Argonians are unrelated apparently
06-05-2024 06:33:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Sure, about that, yeah.
06-05-2024 06:33:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: And I agree with Dev.
06-05-2024 06:33:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Skyrim lore sucks.
06-05-2024 06:35:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: best lore was the utterly drug induced madness of morrowind.
06-05-2024 06:38:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Argonians being special is perfect.
06-05-2024 06:39:41 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: just some weird trees doing some weird stuff to normal lizards in a weird swamp
06-05-2024 06:40:03 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ivk:unwh:mwqq:sihj:ltrh: a swamp so weird that they can never make a game set there~
06-05-2024 06:41:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: The same applies to all the interesting places.
06-05-2024 06:42:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:pzpv:wqmj:xsoi:tjyh:qyvg: Except Vvardenfell!
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06-05-2024 12:13:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: ...Procrastinating about writing and watching gun videos instead.
06-05-2024 12:15:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Ian did a video on the Gilboa Snake, which is essentially two AR-15s ducktaped together.  He brought up that this isn't as absurd an idea as it sounds; multiple major militaries have experimented with this idea.  Which I knew, I statted them out in my gun system in fact, since I happened to already have mechanics for how they should work.  Satisfyingly, this resulted in meh stats that weren't really worth it.
06-05-2024 12:17:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Anyways a commentor pointed out that this is still actually significantly lighter than a SAW, and in theory should have greater wear resistance.  SAWs typically come with replacable barrels for exactly the same reasons, but a double-barrel design allows you to not need to physically change the barrels, and split heat and wear loads between the two barrels (which is substantially superior to focusing on one barrel at a time).
06-05-2024 12:17:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: And now I'm just wondering about that.
06-05-2024 12:18:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: There's a major flaw in that a belt feed would be... at the very least impractical.
06-05-2024 12:20:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Ejection would also be a problem, albeit not an unfixable one.  There's lots of ambidextrous ejection systems.
06-05-2024 12:21:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: You'd need a more complicated action system, which is inevitably going to drive up cost.  Theoretically you could have some redundancy in the system to perhaps increase reliability, but that will ABSLLUTELY drive up weight for an already heavy weapon system.
06-05-2024 12:23:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: And you'll double the weight for any muzzle devices.  Which isn't a big deal for a SAW historically (they MURDER suppressors, and naturally deal very well with recoil), though IRL the US military is actively working to adopt new suppressor tech which -does- work with MGs.
06-05-2024 12:25:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Outside those flaws, the only real difference from a single barrel design--which I can think of--is in the fact that you have both barrels in the gun at once.  For a SAW with a quick change barrel, one is carried on your back, or maybe set on the ground next to the gun.  Much lighter than both being in your hands.
06-05-2024 12:26:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: ...But SAW barrels are so heavy in large part because they need to be resilient.
06-05-2024 12:32:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: And double barrels have several advantages for wear.  Each has to fire half as many bullets over a firing cycle, and the weight-to-surface-area ratio is better since both are simultaneously acting as heat sinks.
06-05-2024 12:34:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: It would also simply be a better standard infantry rifle than an MG (ignoring the increased weight), since single shots could be set up to fire simultaneously.  This isn't how you use an MG of any kind, they broadly have terrible accuracy and compensate by being very steady firing platforms that fire many bullets.  Which is part of why they're so static, and infantry rifles comparatively so mobile.
06-05-2024 12:35:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Less wear means more accuracy, and double shots means MUCH higher single-shot accuracy .
06-05-2024 12:37:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Which makes me think about another firearms development that some militaries have been trying, just miniaturizing MGs so ALL your infantry are machine gunners.  That's sorta what the M27 is about, though at the same time the M27 is also kinda just a loop hole to get HK 416s while being in the US military.
06-05-2024 12:38:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Still, it's not a bad idea.  Improved technology and training has lead to infantry weapons getting lighter and more compact, with more skilled users that can serve more functions.
06-05-2024 12:38:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: It's not unambiguously a bad idea *
06-05-2024 12:39:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: I can see an argument that in a specific technological and industrial band, double-barrel ARs could be a viable strategy.
06-05-2024 12:40:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: IRL, we weren't there in the cold war, and we're not there now because improved suppressor technology prolly tilts too much in favor of what we're doing now, but... I could see it maybe having worked in like, 2000.
06-05-2024 12:41:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Thanks for reading my gun nerding, logs
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06-05-2024 19:17:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Alright now I have the visual the the cursed fucking N0 SMG in nyafor being a double-barrel double-magazine bullpup with two drum mags and a bipod
06-05-2024 19:17:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: It makes too much sense
06-05-2024 19:17:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: The N0 was always supposed to be a double-mag gun, but I wanted to come up with some insane way for it to feed two mags into one chamber
06-05-2024 19:18:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: It's kinda sad to backtrack on that, but OTOH double barrels perfectly works with double mags.
06-05-2024 19:19:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: And the stuff I said above really perfectly suits the entire concept of the N0, being an insane "everything gun" that is supposed to fulfill the roles of SMG, AR, and LMG simultaneously.
06-05-2024 19:19:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Yes I'm aware of this being stupid, note it being named "NO"
06-05-2024 19:20:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: It's an exaggagerated parody of the CMS
06-05-2024 19:20:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: CBJ-MS, blah
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06-05-2024 20:09:42 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:vhh:oqkx:nxsn:nnxo:twwx: are there any actual examples of a multi-barrel gun that fires the barrels staggered and automatic?
06-05-2024 20:09:47 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:vhh:oqkx:nxsn:nnxo:twwx: in small arms
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06-05-2024 21:27:18 -!- Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
06-05-2024 21:27:18 -!- Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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06-05-2024 22:45:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:kppv:qhkr:hlss:znus:vmos: yeah, that's a syv question, Egan.
06-05-2024 22:45:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:kppv:qhkr:hlss:znus:vmos: I know about the Nock Volley Gun, but that's not staggered and automatic.
06-05-2024 22:47:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Miniguns
06-05-2024 22:49:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Multiple-barrel guns were investigated more for increasing hit probability, not for durability.
06-05-2024 22:49:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: So firing staggered defeats the point, the advantage is firing multiple projectiles without recoil.
06-05-2024 22:50:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: It wouldn't be an exceptionally difficult task to have multiple fire modes though.
06-05-2024 22:52:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Staggered auto and simultaneous semi, there, bam.  You have a weapon with high semiauto hit rate and with effective sustained auto capability... which, oh, is basically exactly the perfect assault rifle.
06-05-2024 22:52:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Downside is it's heavy.
06-05-2024 22:53:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: We know the former isn't effective enough to justify the weight addition with cold-war era tech, but we haven't really investigated the latter.
06-05-2024 22:54:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: It probably isn't... but it's plausible, and plausible is more than good enough for me to give it to catgirls
06-05-2024 22:54:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.to.ylq: Or wolfgirls as the case may be
06-05-2024 23:29:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:kppv:qhkr:hlss:znus:vmos: heyo syv.
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