12-04-2024 01:20:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: mmm.  I was worried about that.  The active probe in the star league mech took a hit, and it's 'Extinct', which means it's irreplaceable.
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12-04-2024 02:46:20 -!- Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
12-04-2024 02:46:20 -!- Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
12-04-2024 03:26:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: next up, figure out what it actually does.
12-04-2024 03:26:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: ;-p
12-04-2024 04:43:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: oh damn, I hope THIS captured pilot defects.
12-04-2024 04:43:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: 3/3, natural talent Piloting (rerolls failed checks) and Weapon Specialist Medium Laser. (+2 to hit)
12-04-2024 05:27:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: now if only I knew how that worked.
12-04-2024 05:28:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: (The AAR suggested that there is some other method other than 'everyone flips' and 'noone flips' but I have no idea how to make that work.)
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12-04-2024 08:58:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Oh hello Egan
12-04-2024 08:58:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: How art thou
12-04-2024 08:59:25 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: doing ok
12-04-2024 08:59:50 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: I'm thinking it's okay to wake up around now, it's just very early morning
12-04-2024 09:05:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Yes.
12-04-2024 09:05:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Waking up hours before you have to do anything is very nice.
12-04-2024 09:08:35 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: yeah
12-04-2024 09:09:06 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: must be why farmers and the like are morning people v.v
12-04-2024 09:10:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: Nah, with them, it's 'there are 14 hours of work to do today.'
12-04-2024 09:18:25 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: too many!
12-04-2024 09:26:56 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: bleb
12-04-2024 09:27:03 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: how are you?
12-04-2024 10:02:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: okay.
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12-04-2024 10:24:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: I'm... fine.
12-04-2024 10:24:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Addicted to this stupid mech gane.
12-04-2024 10:24:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: In which I don't use mechs.
12-04-2024 10:24:42 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: do you dig giant robots?
12-04-2024 10:26:54 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: well no, I guess you dig 200 ton flying bricks and russian paratroopers
12-04-2024 10:34:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Essentially yes.
12-04-2024 10:34:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: I'm also doing russian conscripts now.
12-04-2024 10:35:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: This contract wants me to have three separately deployed units: attack, defense, and scout.
12-04-2024 10:36:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: VDV are on attack, Lotus is on Scout, and the conscripts (no transport, just field guns and footsoldiers) are on Defense.
12-04-2024 10:36:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Lotus just solo'd a mission and got 8 kills.  :P
12-04-2024 10:37:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Shot down three enemy planes, and took...
12-04-2024 10:37:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: 9 points of damage
12-04-2024 10:44:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:zkzv:thhm:psup:xvyz:wwxr: heh.
12-04-2024 10:45:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: It feels kinda strange that piloting for aerospace and piloting for "conventional aircraft" are different
12-04-2024 10:46:25 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: I could kinda get that a plane pilot doesn't necesarrly know how to use a spaceplane in orbital combat, but surely the aerospace pilot can pick up using a normal plane
12-04-2024 10:46:53 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: kinda feels like bloat of vehicle categories, though I kinda get it
12-04-2024 11:09:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: I can see it.  They're presumably quite different machines.
12-04-2024 11:10:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Though... aerospace straight up gives a penalty to in-atmosphere flight.
12-04-2024 11:10:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: So just have one skill and keep the penalty, yeah.
12-04-2024 11:10:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: There's apparently prosthetic tails in this game.
12-04-2024 11:11:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: They allow infantry to deal more damage to units in the same hex, but... infantry works in platoons of 20-30 guys...?
12-04-2024 11:14:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Monthly salary for combat personnel: 1.4 million c-bills
12-04-2024 11:15:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Monthly payout for contract: 7.2 million
12-04-2024 11:15:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: worth
12-04-2024 11:16:16 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: did you notice the projected profit on the contracts screen?
12-04-2024 11:17:14 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: comparing how much you get paid (ideally) with how much money you spend monthly (currently, and assuming no casualties)
12-04-2024 11:17:43 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: a few of my initial ones the number was negative
12-04-2024 11:17:59 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: though it doesn't count the much less predictable profit of battlefield salvage
12-04-2024 11:18:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Nope
12-04-2024 11:19:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: I've also realized that infantry only cost their salaries to hire.  Because... they own their own gear.
12-04-2024 11:19:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: But you can sell their gear and pocket the money.
12-04-2024 11:19:29 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: rude
12-04-2024 11:19:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: So I don't do that; I only use "remove" to get rid of their gear.  They still own it, it's just in storage, I guess.
12-04-2024 11:20:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: But this makes conscripts very cheap and absurdly effective for the price.
12-04-2024 11:20:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: "Why yes, I will pay you guys 30k a month to use your AC/20"
12-04-2024 11:20:31 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: I feel like you do half-own the attached gear?
12-04-2024 11:20:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: That's not reflected in the cost!
12-04-2024 11:20:44 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: so you would get half the money for selling
12-04-2024 11:21:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: For mechwarriors/pilots/etc, this system works, because when you fire the person they demand to bring along their gear... or a payment equivalent to cost.
12-04-2024 11:21:41 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: military systems where the soldiers are expected to buy their own weapons do have some advantages :3
12-04-2024 11:21:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: But infantry can be sacked.
12-04-2024 11:21:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Without anything.
12-04-2024 11:22:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: For mechwarriors you could also cheese the system by keeping their mech, and insisting they become footsoldiers.
12-04-2024 11:22:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Then park them under a fuel-air bomb,
12-04-2024 11:22:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Voila, you are now the 100% owner of a brand new mech.
12-04-2024 11:23:00 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: this applies only to the personnel market infantry, right? Not buying the gear and then mass-recruiting to fill out the unit?
12-04-2024 11:23:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: AFAIK
12-04-2024 11:23:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: I haven't unit-bought any infantry
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12-04-2024 11:25:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Infantry who come with gear should really get better pay correlated with the price of said gear.
12-04-2024 11:26:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Regular footsoldier who brought a rifle?  Paid ~1k.  Regular gunner who brought a fucking AC/20?  Also paid ~1k.
12-04-2024 11:28:01 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: would make sense
12-04-2024 11:28:14 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: Don't think there's really a way, though
12-04-2024 11:30:00 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: I guess you could have two different payscales which you set manually by making the more expensive gear troops into officers?
12-04-2024 11:40:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Arguably, but then there's footsoldiers, jump soldiers, mechanised soldiers, field gun soldiers (with guns ranging from AC/2 to AC/20)
12-04-2024 11:40:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Really the fairest way would prolly be to only buy units from unit purchasing, and GM delete the equipment from personnel market troops.
12-04-2024 11:42:46 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: would make some sense for each platoon to have an actual designated leader who owns the gear for the whole platoon
12-04-2024 11:43:39 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: that feels like what the personnel market is, you're hiring an existing platoon-strength mercenary outfit with its own command structure
12-04-2024 11:44:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: "Do not reassign troops away from their own platoon"
12-04-2024 11:44:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: meeeeh
12-04-2024 11:44:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: That's no fun.
12-04-2024 11:45:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Still OP anyways, since you can have an AC/20 at like 1/30 the real cost
12-04-2024 11:46:01 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: that feels like the whole point of the personnel market
12-04-2024 11:46:32 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: there's a limited and random supply, but you can get your hands on equipment very cheaply by just hiring people who have it
12-04-2024 11:46:58 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: like it's strong if you hire a 'warrior with a heavy mech too
12-04-2024 11:49:51 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: the situation where you can end up with their stuff without proper compensation just feels like the game being balanced a little around roleplaying and self-GMing rather than something very tuned
12-04-2024 11:50:15 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: as evidenced by the fact that you can just, decide how much money you start with. how large a force.
12-04-2024 11:50:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Hm.  I suppose.
12-04-2024 11:50:53 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: the first thing you're shown is a bunch of options which can really really change what the difficulty is
12-04-2024 11:51:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: I went with all-default!
12-04-2024 11:51:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: And read no documentation.
12-04-2024 11:51:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: "Use the formation roles in the Briefing tab to your advantage. Scout allows the formation to check for potential scenarios in adjacent hexes. Fight allows the formation to reinforce with the possibility not adding additional OpFor units when you have no support points. Training allows veteran commanding officers to add XP to ultra-green and green crews under their command on a weekly basis. Defend allows free minefields, provided the formation c
12-04-2024 11:51:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: o.O
12-04-2024 11:52:46 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: ooh, training does something?
12-04-2024 11:52:54 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: logical, I guess
12-04-2024 11:53:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: This is apparently supposed to be for an additional setting they're calling "stratcon"
12-04-2024 11:53:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Which is why he mentioned "adjacent hexes"
12-04-2024 11:53:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: planetary maps?
12-04-2024 11:53:53 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: or rather operational level maps in general
12-04-2024 11:57:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: I guess?
12-04-2024 12:12:22 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: is that a feature in development I guess?
12-04-2024 12:12:40 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: the version we're using is a bit old, maybe that already exists
12-04-2024 12:12:55 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: didn't see any evidence of it in my version
12-04-2024 12:37:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: I was quoting a two year old reddit thread
12-04-2024 12:37:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Maybe the feature was *removed*
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12-04-2024 12:56:06 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: oh, there's one tiny little checkbox for it
12-04-2024 12:56:35 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: "use stratcon campain rules" at the bottom of against the bot tab
12-04-2024 12:57:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: lol
12-04-2024 12:57:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: "one tiny little checkbox" seems like a theme of megamek
12-04-2024 12:59:05 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: turning that one adds a new tab in mekhq but activating it mid contrat seems to make that tab think there's no contract
12-04-2024 13:13:03 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: https://i.postimg.cc/yY7YL4LH/image.png
12-04-2024 13:13:27 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: this is what you get if you turn on the stratcon thing
12-04-2024 13:26:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@98.97.imi.pnn: Confusing
12-04-2024 13:27:24 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:osj:toru:jpsl:hzry:ihyh: that is possibly why it's not on by default!
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12-04-2024 22:46:29 -!- Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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