09-03-2024 01:17:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:uppq:hgsq:tipt:hvng:rgxp: :-)
09-03-2024 01:17:10 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: bleb
09-03-2024 01:17:16 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: how's extinction?
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09-03-2024 01:22:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: up for some valheim, Egan?
09-03-2024 03:05:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: https://www.google.com/maps/@50.2323174,-121.5809871,3a,75y,234.34h,88.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjofgw0363G2H_g1T1LTzIQ!2e0!5s20181001T000000!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu
09-03-2024 03:05:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: The 'see latest date' button is interesting.
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09-03-2024 03:46:49 -!- Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
09-03-2024 03:46:49 -!- Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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09-03-2024 04:37:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Hello
09-03-2024 04:42:06 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: yello
09-03-2024 05:39:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: MJ's been playing Helldivers 2, and trying to get me to play it too.
09-03-2024 05:39:58 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: too expensiv
09-03-2024 05:40:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I'm not very interested, and looking into the game, there's a big furor about it installing an anticheat rootkit.
09-03-2024 05:40:19 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: also may be a bit of a gamble to get into the server still
09-03-2024 05:40:26 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: better to wait until things are more settled
09-03-2024 05:41:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Looking into *that*, yes, it's a rootkit, which isn't uncommon for anticheat.  And there's complaints that it's a rootkit which has been known to be vulnerable in the past... back in 2005.  It's not really known if it's still vulnerable or if that was patched or what.
09-03-2024 05:42:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It's also a really niche anticheat that's not used by any other large/popular games, so an exploit could easily have just not been noticed.
09-03-2024 05:43:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: More notably, to me, it's a really heavy anticheat being installed into a strictly co-op game... and it also just doesn't work.  It took me twenty seconds to find a well-maintained thread describing how to bypass it fairly trivially for whatever cheat you want to use.
09-03-2024 05:44:54 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: mm, probably put there by publisher demand
09-03-2024 05:45:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Published by Sony.  Maybe?
09-03-2024 05:45:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It's still a weird choice
09-03-2024 05:46:03 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: yeah, weird
09-03-2024 05:46:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: https://steamdb.info/tech/AntiCheat/nProtect_GameGuard
09-03-2024 05:47:57 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: i haven't heard of any of these games!
09-03-2024 05:48:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Yes.
09-03-2024 05:48:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Helldivers 2 alone looks to have more players than all the rest combined.
09-03-2024 05:48:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: All the rest combined at their *peaks*
09-03-2024 05:52:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I do rather agree with the boycott, even if it's not vulnerable at all.  It's insane that people accept this level of anticheat being forcefully installed, given that there ARE cases of anticheats like this being exploited.
09-03-2024 05:52:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Especially considering the concept itself is flawed.  Anticheats are given root control so that they can theoretically prevent cheating from any source.
09-03-2024 05:53:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: ...But a cheater can just make root-level cheats.
09-03-2024 05:53:40 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: all for a co-op game
09-03-2024 05:53:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It is utterly impossible to make it impossible to cheat, only *harder* to cheat, and once it's done by one person it will be freely spreadable.
09-03-2024 05:54:11 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: where there were cases of cheaters *spawning in content that hadn't officially been released yet, with the anti-cheat*
09-03-2024 05:54:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: And considering this level of anticheat opens up vulnerabilities to ransomware and keyloggers and literally anything else being installed... it is not worth it?  At all?  This should not be acceptable.
09-03-2024 05:55:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It doesn't even affect only gamers either
09-03-2024 05:55:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: I mean, there's the persistent war aspect which I can see the devs not wanting people to mess with
09-03-2024 05:55:52 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: but it seems the anti-cheat isn't really stopping anyone
09-03-2024 05:55:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Apparently Genshin Impact's anticheat was so bad ransomware could use its signature to gain access to ANY windows PC, even ones which never installed GI.
09-03-2024 05:56:10 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: amazing
09-03-2024 05:56:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Mihoyo literally made and published root-control malware for free
09-03-2024 05:56:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: And I'd say that's a direct consequence of anticheat being so accepted.
09-03-2024 05:57:27 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: too bad, because the game part of HD2 is something I *do* want to support
09-03-2024 05:57:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: mmm
09-03-2024 05:58:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I was gonna say before that I'd just buy it for you if we start playing it
09-03-2024 05:58:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: But reading all this has me on the fence about supporting them.
09-03-2024 05:59:35 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: cynically, is it worse than the EAC games we've played?
09-03-2024 06:01:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Yes.
09-03-2024 06:01:25 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: well, and as I said I'd prefer to wait until the servers aren't overstuffed
09-03-2024 06:01:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: and maybe it'll be cheaper
09-03-2024 06:02:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Mostly because EAC is much more proven.
09-03-2024 06:03:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: OTOH EAC is also a bigger target.
09-03-2024 06:03:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I also see that as, essentially, whataboutism.
09-03-2024 06:03:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: EAC is bad because it is also a rootkit and games should not install rootkits.
09-03-2024 06:04:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It's a "better" rootkit, and likely a "more secure" rootkit, but it is a rootkit and you should not need to install rootkits to play games.
09-03-2024 06:04:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Also, having one possibly-vulnerable rootkit on your computer is safer than having two possibly-vulnerable rootkits on your computer.
09-03-2024 06:05:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Exposure to one antivaxxer > exposure to a crowd of antivaxxers.
09-03-2024 06:05:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: All are still idiots.
09-03-2024 06:06:44 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: blah
09-03-2024 06:07:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: But yeah if I buy HD2 for myself, I'll buy it for you too.
09-03-2024 06:07:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: We can huff the covid fumes together <3
09-03-2024 06:07:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I may require you to give a negative review in exchange though
09-03-2024 06:08:28 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: eh, nah
09-03-2024 06:08:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: I have enough games
09-03-2024 06:46:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: hello.
09-03-2024 06:47:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: anticheat in co-op games?
09-03-2024 06:47:48 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: yup
09-03-2024 06:48:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: good old Allegiance.
09-03-2024 06:48:07 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: can't have those sneaky players performing too well
09-03-2024 06:48:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: got killed due to not having enough anticheat.
09-03-2024 06:48:29 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: ...or getting stuff without doing the proper amount of grinding first
09-03-2024 06:48:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: someone abused the lack to create game-crashing macros, basically.
09-03-2024 06:48:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: in a multiplayer co-op only game with a public lobby, well..
09-03-2024 06:48:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: ..yeah.
09-03-2024 06:49:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: I'm happy to play it, really.
09-03-2024 07:01:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Serverside vs clientside anticheat are very different.
09-03-2024 07:01:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Clientside anticheats like this actually make it *easier* for hackers to do stuff like that.
09-03-2024 07:02:10 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: ah, yeah the server should probably do a little bit of sanity checking in regards to what the client is saying
09-03-2024 07:02:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Like Fromsoft's RCE problem was due to the clientside anticheat having a hole that could be exploited, because it elevated its own permissions to -allow- the clientside checks.
09-03-2024 07:03:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: If they didn't have any clientside anticheat (like DRG), the RCE wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
09-03-2024 07:05:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Alleg sounds similar to AoTTG (again) in that its serverside had no checks and allowed clients to send anything.  That's... actually very easy to solve and more or less ironclad protection if done.
09-03-2024 07:05:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: No, it had some checks.
09-03-2024 07:06:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: it just was built with some unused capabilities that people exploited to cause crashes, when combined with a different bug.
09-03-2024 07:06:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Ah.
09-03-2024 07:07:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: AoTTG's popular crashes are just sending legit messages impossibly fast through a modified client.
09-03-2024 07:07:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Like "I have now killed 1,000,000,000 titans"
09-03-2024 07:07:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: "Let me send you a message for each one containing its ID and the damage dealt"
09-03-2024 07:08:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: ..That is remarkably similar, then.
09-03-2024 07:08:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: it was 'sending voicechats that don't actually exist.'
09-03-2024 07:09:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: And then some stupid stuff like no sanity checking on the server for which clients are legitimately allowed to send host-only messages.  A popular one is sending a message that updates the client list, changing everyone's names and killcounts on the scoreboard to whatever the hacker chooses.
09-03-2024 07:09:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Ah, there are crashes which rely on sending RPCs that are just entirely invalid with bogus data.
09-03-2024 07:09:54 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: all clients should be open source in order to force devs to make their server code able to account for clients sending any damn bullshit
09-03-2024 07:10:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Most games ARE like that!
09-03-2024 07:10:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: You can whitelist and ratelimit everything with sanity checks.
09-03-2024 07:10:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Because there's really a very specific list of what possibly is legitimate.
09-03-2024 07:11:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: there were, and are, ratelimits and you can't do physics hacks and such, all that's serverside.
09-03-2024 07:11:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: That's why the vast majority of cheating in big games is stuff like wallhacks and aimbots.  Clientside modificafions.
09-03-2024 07:11:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Detection is also serverside.
09-03-2024 07:12:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Most games aren't Tarkov, letting you teleport, or like... actually I don't know any games that let you arbitrarily spawn stuff for yourself but surely someone's fucked that up.
09-03-2024 07:12:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: but yeah, voicechats were clientside, and they wanted them to be moddable, so..
09-03-2024 07:12:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: whoops.
09-03-2024 07:13:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: they were also messy because of how integrated they are with the orders system.
09-03-2024 07:13:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: which is really annoying because the robust order system was a huge feature.
09-03-2024 07:13:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: The ship autopilot lets you pay attention to the map!  ;-p
09-03-2024 07:14:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Even then that sounds kinda poorly done
09-03-2024 07:14:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: (It did get fixed.  Then there was a second bug, which also got fixed.  Then the assholes remade the first one to get around the fix.  After three rounds of that they had it locked down, but too much damage was done.)
09-03-2024 07:14:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: It was a mistake, yeah.
09-03-2024 07:14:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: they expected things like automatic kills, spinbots, aimbots, etc..
09-03-2024 07:15:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: voicechats were a really popular feature but they weren't in the design document.  Someone came up with them during development.
09-03-2024 07:16:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: That makes sense
09-03-2024 07:16:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Consequences were just really, really bad for missing a relatively small bug.
09-03-2024 07:17:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: crashing games at will in a team-only long form multiplayer game, well..
09-03-2024 07:17:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: that's pretty damn bad.
09-03-2024 07:18:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: it was worse because it was never supposed to be a major project.
09-03-2024 07:18:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: mmm.
09-03-2024 07:19:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: I want to play it some more.  I'll have to make the time for that.
09-03-2024 07:19:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: shame none of you guys caught the bug.  Or maybe that's a blessing?
09-03-2024 07:20:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: you did catch the AoTtG bug, after all.
09-03-2024 07:21:02 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: last time i tried it actually wouldn't start
09-03-2024 07:21:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Alleg?
09-03-2024 07:21:34 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: now computer now so maybe it would work, but eh multiplayer and RTS are too stressful
09-03-2024 07:21:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Yeah, stressful it is.
09-03-2024 07:21:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: team-based is the stressor for me.  I don't want to let the guys down.
09-03-2024 07:23:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: AoTTG is SP.
09-03-2024 07:24:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It's basically an SP skill-based puzzle game for me
09-03-2024 07:24:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: I got DROD for that, personally.  But yes, it's not real time, or action, like AoTtG.
09-03-2024 07:24:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: mmm.
09-03-2024 07:24:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: alleg controls should be in mech games.
09-03-2024 07:24:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: someone should do them in a mech game.  It's the way to properly move.
09-03-2024 07:29:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: AoTtG is really impressive, though.  Best take on spiderman movement I've seen.
09-03-2024 07:30:25 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: it too hard
09-03-2024 07:30:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: didn't get to shoot any trash mobs
09-03-2024 07:30:36 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: 2/10
09-03-2024 07:30:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Fair point.
09-03-2024 07:31:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: (Also, heh.  Alleg's take on trash mobs.  YOU are the trash mob.)  ;-p
09-03-2024 07:32:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: If I add guns to AoTTG will you try it again
09-03-2024 07:33:18 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: no, I think I'm actually just too dumb and uncoordinated to vibe with the core movement
09-03-2024 07:36:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: also.
09-03-2024 07:36:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It's simpler than you think!
09-03-2024 07:36:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Kitten.
09-03-2024 07:36:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: You're only controlling four separate kinds of movement stacked atop each other simultaneously
09-03-2024 07:36:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: With ten separate buttons
09-03-2024 07:37:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Arguably 11
09-03-2024 07:37:20 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: platformers usually don't work like that
09-03-2024 07:37:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: "You're only modelling off-map action from minimal team communication and a series of minimap icons, while paying attention to whatever you're actually doing."
09-03-2024 07:37:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: sadly
09-03-2024 07:37:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Clearly I need to mod Alleg gameplay into AoTTG
09-03-2024 07:38:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: That'd make for an interesting game.
09-03-2024 07:38:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: you'd need to add some weapons.
09-03-2024 07:38:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: AoTtG isn't about fighting other person-sized objects.
09-03-2024 07:39:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: If I actually start modding it again weapons will be the next thing to mod in
09-03-2024 07:39:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I have an AK-47 model someone made for me specifically so it could be easily rebuilt in the game
09-03-2024 07:39:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Also
09-03-2024 07:39:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: The best mode in AoTTG, bomb, is literally about exactly that Dev.
09-03-2024 07:39:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: (I don't play it though)
09-03-2024 07:39:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: resource harvesting?
09-03-2024 07:40:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Exists in expeditions
09-03-2024 07:40:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: And is the worst mode
09-03-2024 07:40:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: ;P
09-03-2024 07:40:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: technology?  Map control?  ;-p
09-03-2024 07:40:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: (Expeditions are strictly anime roleplayers)
09-03-2024 07:40:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I think some expeds have made stupid map control mechanics for their RPs
09-03-2024 07:40:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Hah.
09-03-2024 07:40:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: No tech thougg
09-03-2024 07:41:04 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: syv denegrating the people who want to anime roleplay in the anime tribute game
09-03-2024 07:41:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Have you met those people?
09-03-2024 07:41:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: You haven't met them Egan
09-03-2024 07:41:23 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: no, I haven't
09-03-2024 07:41:32 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: and I don't want to
09-03-2024 07:41:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: If Exped players weren't so consistently childish and rude they'd have a better reputation.
09-03-2024 07:42:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I have not only met them I've spent years trying to peacemake some of them with each other and other communities.
09-03-2024 07:42:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Everyone still pissing on the race people?
09-03-2024 07:42:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Really, they're not all awful, but the ones who aren't awful have learned to not identify themselves as exped players.
09-03-2024 07:43:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: They'll say "I do X, and also Expeditions"
09-03-2024 07:43:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Nah racing is fine
09-03-2024 07:44:02 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: very funny game community
09-03-2024 07:44:05 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: from the outside
09-03-2024 07:44:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: In general over the last two years most communities have actually banded together pretty well.
09-03-2024 07:44:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Basically exped and blade are still the divisive ones.  And mostly with themselves.
09-03-2024 07:45:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: blade seems edgy.
09-03-2024 07:45:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It is.
09-03-2024 07:45:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: That's good that there has been some improvement.
09-03-2024 07:45:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Blade is the mode about staying on the ground and fighting with swords in the flying game.
09-03-2024 07:46:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: That sounds sad.
09-03-2024 07:46:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It is.
09-03-2024 07:47:16 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: fighting game in spiderman
09-03-2024 07:47:21 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: truly, it can be any game
09-03-2024 07:47:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Mmm.
09-03-2024 07:47:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: thinking.
09-03-2024 07:48:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Is it more perverse than playing RPGs in a Starcraft 1 UMS map?
09-03-2024 07:49:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Do the people who do that keep track of stats outside the game?
09-03-2024 07:49:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Lemme see if I can't find a video of blade PvP
09-03-2024 07:50:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: No, but it's pretty far out stuff.
09-03-2024 07:50:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Oh my god, they're playing Snow Crash.
09-03-2024 07:51:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: World of Edgelords.
09-03-2024 07:51:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AbEJBtfBlX0
09-03-2024 07:52:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I actually like Blur
09-03-2024 07:52:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: He's the most mature Blade PvPer I've met
09-03-2024 07:52:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: He also does high damage which is probably the one mode that's even more of a meme
09-03-2024 07:53:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Fox only, no items, Final Destination.
09-03-2024 07:53:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: I think one-hit kills would be the only way to play the game, really.
09-03-2024 07:54:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Divekick, really.
09-03-2024 08:11:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: You can dive, and you can kick.
09-03-2024 08:12:00 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: is divekick seen as a good game?
09-03-2024 08:12:06 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryv:qvkm:rxpr:hyyw:vgpq: I played it way back
09-03-2024 08:12:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:ilhz:gytn:xgtv:zmrz:toum: Not really, but it's better than it looks.
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