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06-02-2024 01:01:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: mmm.
06-02-2024 01:01:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: just one-rounded a miniboss.
06-02-2024 01:01:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: using a roof-mounted saw to get rage, doubling weapon damage.  Then another roof-mounted saw to inflict piles of damage and inflict vulnerability.
06-02-2024 01:02:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: then a couple of bashes followed by a top gear 'make room' bash attack that shoved the opponent into the wall twice.
06-02-2024 01:02:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: 5 bashes, two roof mounted saws, and two wall collisions.
06-02-2024 01:03:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I think they really underestimated the potential of the 'controlled chaos' card that lets you regain actions mid-turn if you hit an opponent.
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06-02-2024 03:31:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: goddamn it, stupid enemies with missile marks.
06-02-2024 03:36:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: remarkable how quickly a great run turns into a bad one due to a couple of mistakes.
06-02-2024 03:37:14 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: bleb
06-02-2024 03:37:21 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: yeah roguelikes too hard
06-02-2024 03:37:36 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: well, strategy games in general
06-02-2024 03:38:17 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: brain too melty, I perform better when parrying twelve incoming attacks with a sword or mindlessly chopping wood
06-02-2024 03:38:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: hah.
06-02-2024 03:38:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: but yeah, I made two or three mistakes and ended up really slammed in this battle, and welp, more turns to get kills, more turns for enemies to get attacks in and lay down status effects.
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06-02-2024 03:46:37 -!- Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
06-02-2024 03:46:37 -!- Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
06-02-2024 03:55:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: oh, Egan, had an idea.
06-02-2024 03:55:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: you need sights for your sniper rifle in kitten, right?
06-02-2024 03:55:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: You think you could take 'laser generation' as a skill?
06-02-2024 03:56:23 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: nope!
06-02-2024 03:56:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: they's skills, not powers
06-02-2024 03:57:15 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: I could pump another 4 points into sniping until I can hit things at range with a rifled musket, though
06-02-2024 03:58:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I mean, that would work.  You sure you want to specialize that much, though?
06-02-2024 03:59:19 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: ... but that's the same upgrade choice as you were suggesting
06-02-2024 03:59:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: also, skills not powers.  Wonder if alida could take it, then.  She -is- a magical girl, even if she could only brute force that power.
06-02-2024 03:59:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I think it might be more effective than spending four points.
06-02-2024 03:59:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: plus laser sights on all guns don't need just sniping range.
06-02-2024 04:01:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: mmm.
06-02-2024 04:01:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I asked syv earlier if you could take impossible things as skills.
06-02-2024 04:01:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: he said 'yes, assuming it fits inside the game's desired power level.'
06-02-2024 04:01:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I think you could do personal laser sights.
06-02-2024 04:49:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: ...A laser sight attached to *you* rather than to your gun wouldn't be a very good sight at all.
06-02-2024 04:49:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: would it?
06-02-2024 04:49:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: And if you want to modify the gun that's a different advancement
06-02-2024 04:49:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: shoot it out of your eye.
06-02-2024 04:50:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: That ensures you can check whether or not you are indeed looking at what you're looking at.
06-02-2024 04:50:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Your eye is not attached to your gun, however
06-02-2024 04:51:00 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: with glue, we can fix this
06-02-2024 04:51:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: pfff...
06-02-2024 04:52:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: There's gotta be a way to do it.
06-02-2024 04:53:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: hand is on gun.
06-02-2024 04:53:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: eye is looking down sights.
06-02-2024 04:55:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: https://old.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1ajwl6d/mine_clearing_taught_by_russians/
06-02-2024 04:56:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: on the eyelaser, think about it.  Your eye is *already* pointed at what you're trying to shoot, with essentially perfect accuracy.
06-02-2024 04:56:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: The entire point of sights is to help you align your line of sight with your gun's barrel.
06-02-2024 04:57:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Hence, iron sights; two pieces of metal which you line up with your line of sight.
06-02-2024 04:57:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Lasers work by a different mechanism, showing you where the barrel is actually pointing, itself.
06-02-2024 04:58:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: In any case, any skill that generally buffs
06-02-2024 04:59:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: shooting people at a range will inherently be costed the same as just buying the "shoot people at range" skill, unless there's some caveat or drawback.
06-02-2024 04:59:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Like I might make it cheaper to buy "shoot people at range with this specific gun".
06-02-2024 05:01:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: I suppose since precision covers two ranges, you could buy (closer) precision or (sniper) precision, for half cost.  :P
06-02-2024 05:01:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: But I wouldn't advise it.
06-02-2024 05:01:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: Mmm, I more meant 'one improved rank for the gun'
06-02-2024 05:01:49 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: buy a better gun
06-02-2024 05:02:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: also, dang.
06-02-2024 05:02:17 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: and/or steal a telescope, sharpie a dot in the middle, and duct tape it to the top of the rifle
06-02-2024 05:02:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: take zoom eyes.  ;-p
06-02-2024 05:02:55 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: again, which advancement option are you getting these magical powers from
06-02-2024 05:03:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I'm pretty sure you can take at least some of these as skills.
06-02-2024 05:03:48 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: skills improve rolls
06-02-2024 05:21:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: and I'm not sure you can't roll to shoot lasers.
06-02-2024 05:23:44 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: at that point, why bother with the gun
06-02-2024 05:26:13 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: syv, what's the letter rating / skill for hitting things with eye beams?
06-02-2024 05:26:25 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: IE, successfully looking directly at things :p
06-02-2024 05:27:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: I dunno, auto succees?
06-02-2024 05:28:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: X+?
06-02-2024 05:28:48 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: and is "death eye beams magic" a skill?
06-02-2024 05:28:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: It's probably a mutation
06-02-2024 05:29:37 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: are there magic skills at all?
06-02-2024 05:29:57 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: well, I'd guess you might want a wizard staff or something and then you could
06-02-2024 05:30:34 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: which I do have one, but i can't cast light with the friggin cthonic effigy
06-02-2024 05:30:41 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: beam of darkness, maybe
06-02-2024 05:31:02 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: the other issue is that I don't think lasers are all that great for long distance sniping anyways
06-02-2024 05:35:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: beam of tentacle.
06-02-2024 05:35:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: but yeah, you can probably take skills in tentacles or something.
06-02-2024 05:36:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: There are magic skills if you buy them, sure.
06-02-2024 05:36:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: You have a magic artifact already,
06-02-2024 05:37:04 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: light mage works pretty well then
06-02-2024 05:37:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Hrm.
06-02-2024 05:37:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: This system actually prolly works well for random magic spells
06-02-2024 05:37:45 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: if I want to cast a spell every mission to accomplish something which could be done by a small electonic device, which probably only helps at the closer two ranges
06-02-2024 05:38:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Give spells a casting difficulty, and make magic ranks expensive.  Fireball is C difficulty, say.
06-02-2024 05:38:02 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: but be able to do other things as well
06-02-2024 05:39:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: That does sound interesting.
06-02-2024 05:40:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I'm pretty sure Alida will go for magic after big wolf.  She's missing too many powers to make her human form combat effective in melee, so that's a reasonable way to do it.
06-02-2024 05:42:37 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: wait, neither of you took a physical gift for some reason
06-02-2024 05:42:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: wolf isn't a physical gift?
06-02-2024 05:42:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: same with better mutations?
06-02-2024 05:43:07 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: no, those are intrinsic
06-02-2024 05:43:24 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: syyyy, my team is throwing :p
06-02-2024 05:43:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: ahh, yeah, those both counted as double.
06-02-2024 05:43:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I'm also Dev.  I've played utterly powerless characters in high-power settings.
06-02-2024 05:44:08 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: no, they're not double, you just both rejected having a starting item
06-02-2024 05:44:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: They *are* double.
06-02-2024 05:44:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I mean, if you want to make the case that they're too weak.
06-02-2024 05:44:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Saki got an absurd snowball power that lets her oneshot with advantage in melee after just one mission's snowball.
06-02-2024 05:45:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I suspect after several more missions, wolf will no longer be too weak.
06-02-2024 05:45:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: And Dev basically got double HP.
06-02-2024 05:45:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: although it's not dramatically good at this particular moment.
06-02-2024 05:45:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: In fact Dev's power snowballs too
06-02-2024 05:46:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Gala judt gets
06-02-2024 05:46:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: "moves good"
06-02-2024 05:46:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: which is good, really.  Lets the other teammates tank.
06-02-2024 05:46:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Definitely half power in comparison.  No snowball and it can be wholly useless.
06-02-2024 05:47:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: The elder god talisman is quite nice though
06-02-2024 05:48:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: yeah, it's unpredictable but it can absolutely get stuff done.
06-02-2024 05:48:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: although this is Dark Souls.
06-02-2024 05:48:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: might have some weird interactions with elder gods.
06-02-2024 05:48:56 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: so you're saying that it lets me cast Pursuers
06-02-2024 05:49:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Prolly much better
06-02-2024 05:49:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Pursuers has fairly crappy range
06-02-2024 05:50:16 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: but it's dubstep
06-02-2024 05:50:28 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: and oneshots low level characters in undead burg!
06-02-2024 05:50:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: It summons Darkstalker Kaathe
06-02-2024 05:53:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: It oneshots high level characters in township too
06-02-2024 05:54:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Pursuers is deeply deeply bullshit
06-02-2024 05:54:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: hah.
06-02-2024 05:54:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: You may be thinking of Dark Bead?  Shotgun spell?
06-02-2024 05:54:59 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: oh yes, that might be more of the griefing spell
06-02-2024 05:55:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: It's the one that gets more dubstep edits
06-02-2024 05:55:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: It's also much more reasonable to fight if you know what you're doing.  It can fairly consistently be rolled, and Crest Shield can tank it as long as you're not in melee.
06-02-2024 05:56:14 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: still nutty damage at point blank, though
06-02-2024 05:56:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Pursuers is so much more bullshit because it desyncs, making it extremely inconstent to dodge.  If you even can see it coming.
06-02-2024 05:56:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: It's bullshit because the game can't handle it?
06-02-2024 05:56:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: ouch.
06-02-2024 05:57:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: More because the game is shittily coded :v
06-02-2024 05:57:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: And very exploitable
06-02-2024 05:57:19 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: can the game also not handle homing crystal soulmass?
06-02-2024 05:57:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: I don't think soulmass desyncs in the same way.  And it's not nearly as lethal even then.  It can miss pretty easily.
06-02-2024 05:58:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Pursuers has essentially perfect tracking, a boatload of damage, way more range, and desync can make it effectively invisible.
06-02-2024 05:59:05 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: i feel like pursuers was supposed to be better because more damage / physical damage but worse because slower, but the projectiles being slow just makes them home better and harder to time a dodge
06-02-2024 05:59:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: The only consistent counter is havel's greatshield or crest + the GMB spell.
06-02-2024 05:59:14 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: that, or DLC power creep :v
06-02-2024 05:59:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: I think Pursuers was meant to be the best dark magic?  IIRC it has a much lower number of casts than bead.
06-02-2024 06:00:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: Isn't it also hidden?
06-02-2024 06:00:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Mostly I know bead is spammed like hell, while pursuers is usually only used a couple times in a duel.
06-02-2024 06:00:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Yeah
06-02-2024 06:01:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Pursuers is gained by trading the DLC's final boss to the random crow in the starting area
06-02-2024 06:04:16 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: meaning that it has no real use in pve before NG+
06-02-2024 06:04:33 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: since you already killed one of the hardest bosses
06-02-2024 06:05:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Yup.
06-02-2024 06:05:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Maaaaybe you could use it on Kalameet.  Some people find him harder than Manus
06-02-2024 06:07:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Kinda like how Kalameet's tailcut weapon is a fabulously powerful weapon... for someone who has low damage scaling stats.
06-02-2024 06:07:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: And it's kinda weak for someone who's leveled up.
06-02-2024 06:07:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Dark Souls loves to give you powerful stuff after you've proved you don't need it.
06-02-2024 06:07:44 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: well, item trading is possible, clearly that's what they were going for ;p
06-02-2024 06:08:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: twink sword.
06-02-2024 06:08:49 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: tail cut kalameet at twink levels and you've earned a bit of bullying people
06-02-2024 06:08:52 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: as a treat
06-02-2024 06:09:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: If you're that good do you need it to bully people?
06-02-2024 06:09:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Probably
06-02-2024 06:09:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: PvP is vastly harder than PvE
06-02-2024 06:10:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: ...I don't think I ever really used it for PvP.  I've always hated "greatswords" in DS1.
06-02-2024 06:11:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: ultra greatsword man?
06-02-2024 06:11:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: So I'm not sure how good it even is.  It doesn't hit the damage levels of ultras, so it's not that great a backstab stick, and it isn't fast like katanas and curved swords, which were meta.
06-02-2024 06:12:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: I played basically EVERYTHING in DS1 PvP, except hammers and greatswords.
06-02-2024 06:12:50 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: mace! >:D
06-02-2024 06:13:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Hammers are truly awful in DS1.  And I've just... always really disliked how greatswords feel.  They're at a weird medium point where they aren't fast enough to rely on speed, too short to rely on ranging, and too weak to trade with.
06-02-2024 06:14:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Just about everything else has some significant advantage over greatswords.
06-02-2024 06:14:20 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: well, I don't care for pvp at all and I enjoy mace and claymore
06-02-2024 06:14:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Claymore is the exception ofc
06-02-2024 06:14:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Because of that delightfully glorious thrust attack
06-02-2024 06:14:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: huh.
06-02-2024 06:14:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: I was using a claymore, right?
06-02-2024 06:14:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Claymore is actually one of my favorite weapons in Elden Ring.
06-02-2024 06:15:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Yes, but you were using it onehanded.  You heretic.
06-02-2024 06:15:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: onehanded without a shield.
06-02-2024 06:15:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: DS1 claymore is generally meh even among greatswords, EXCEPT for the 2H strong attack, which is an amazing stab.
06-02-2024 06:16:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: That genuinely might be the best strong attack in the game.
06-02-2024 06:17:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: It fixes a lot of the issue with greatswords; it adds a fair bit of reach, and does counter damage, so it trades surprisingly well.  And it's not slow enough to be really balanced, but is slow enough to give the light attack some utility in mixups.
06-02-2024 06:26:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: :)
06-02-2024 06:26:53 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg reminisces about dark souls PvP
06-02-2024 06:27:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: It was truly terrible, but I loved it.
06-02-2024 06:27:37 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: did they ever put the servers back up for DSR
06-02-2024 06:27:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Yeah
06-02-2024 06:27:44 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: ah, good
06-02-2024 06:28:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Definitely not gonna return to it, though
06-02-2024 06:28:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: DaS is SO fucking obtuse.  I only got into PvP as much as I did because I could cheat my builds into the game.
06-02-2024 06:28:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Actually collecting and leveling everything correctly is so time consuming and easy to screw up.
06-02-2024 06:28:53 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: lmao at "oh btw our past three games, released over 10 years, all have the same arbitrary code execution exploit which can be accessed by anyone you play online with"
06-02-2024 06:29:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: "and we were told about this a year ago and did nothing until someone started streamsniping with it"
06-02-2024 06:29:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: ow
06-02-2024 06:30:04 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: I love 'em, sometimes their priorities are wrong >.>
06-02-2024 06:30:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Even better, it ALSO never applied to PTDE, I don't believe.
06-02-2024 06:31:08 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: and then they hastily bang EAC into ER, a game which can be played entirely singleplayer
06-02-2024 06:31:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tzp.osg: Yet another way in which Remastered was inferior
06-02-2024 06:31:17 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:uki:ngkw:zlym:lyzy:zomr: ah
06-02-2024 06:31:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:lwyt:mphx:ikkj:sizw:qynk: Hah.
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