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06-01-2024 02:37:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Welp, trench infantry aren't beatable by napoleonic riflemen.
06-01-2024 02:37:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: well, they probably are, but I either need another 60,000 men or trench infantry of my own.
06-01-2024 02:38:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: 60,000 men is probably easier, so I'll do that.
06-01-2024 02:38:25 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryq:toth:jqgv:nixu:pusk: just give them shovels smh
06-01-2024 02:38:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Hah.
06-01-2024 02:38:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: There's actually a tech for that.
06-01-2024 02:39:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I have that one.  I don't have the telephones and telegraphs necessary for proper trenchworks.
06-01-2024 02:40:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: also, for some reason the dumb capitalists built a power plant despite me...
06-01-2024 02:40:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: no, there is something I have that can use electricity.
06-01-2024 02:40:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I can light a city with electric light.
06-01-2024 02:40:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: nothing else yet, though.
06-01-2024 02:41:16 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryq:toth:jqgv:nixu:pusk: profitable!
06-01-2024 02:41:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I don't know if it's profitable or not.
06-01-2024 02:41:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: usually new tech is profitable, but if you have plenty of citizens and it's a labour saving device, it may not be.
06-01-2024 02:42:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: ie, same outputs, consumes more fuel, uses fewer people.
06-01-2024 02:42:16 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryq:toth:jqgv:nixu:pusk: profitable for the capitalists, surely :p
06-01-2024 02:42:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Yup.  Although those are good the way down.  On a per citizen basis they raise the amount people get paid.
06-01-2024 02:42:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: but yes, if you make too many unemployed people it's.. a problem.
06-01-2024 02:43:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: It's a double problem if the state doesn't have free arable land anymore.
06-01-2024 02:43:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: So they can't just go farm for themselves.
06-01-2024 02:43:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: (They don't like that, and they won't get rich doing it, but it's much, much better than starving.)
06-01-2024 02:44:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: particularly if you have laws that don't let your citizens move around, which I just removed.
06-01-2024 02:44:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: If they CAN move around they'll go find places that need more people.
06-01-2024 02:45:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Some of the states I conquered from Sokoto were basically full of people.
06-01-2024 02:45:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: need to add urban businesses to them that don't take up land and get them off their smallholding farms.
06-01-2024 02:45:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: then I can add more efficient big farms to take up the land they just left.
06-01-2024 02:45:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: That'll drive the price of food down, which makes them able to afford more of it.
06-01-2024 02:46:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: and they'll go from being dirt-poor to being reasonably well off.
06-01-2024 02:47:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Although half of that job was done just by conquering the place, and opening it to my market full of machine-sewed clothing and machine made furniture, that's about 1/3 the cost of the handmade stuff.  Which frees up a lot of money to buy food.
06-01-2024 02:48:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: It's not great for the peasants, but in the end they're basically economic zeros.  They make nothing and they buy nothing.
06-01-2024 02:48:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: ie, they make just enough to keep themselves alive and in reasonable shape.
06-01-2024 02:49:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: 'this block of 5000 peasants produces.. 4.8 units of clothing, and consume.. 4.8 units of clothing.'
06-01-2024 02:50:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: 'these 5000 shirt factory workers make 218 units of clothing.'
06-01-2024 02:50:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Although the peasants I have are a bit unusual.  Because I'm in a muslim area, they don't drink liquor.
06-01-2024 02:50:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: But they produce small amounts of liquor.
06-01-2024 02:51:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Which are almost worthless in my 90% muslim country.
06-01-2024 02:51:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: So they're slightly poorer than normal peasants, because they want tobacco instead.
06-01-2024 02:51:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: which I can, and do, produce in large quantities, but I have almost nothing to do with the liquor.  There isn't enough of it to be worth trading.
06-01-2024 02:53:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: of course normal people want tobacco too.  So these guys basically smoke TWICE AS MUCH tobacco.
06-01-2024 02:54:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: It's impressive to see stuff like 'such-and-such a country opened a big trade route with you for tobacco.', and I read the find print and I'm going to be importing 290 units of the stuff.
06-01-2024 02:54:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I then check a state with a huge tobacco farm, find out it's producing 500 units of it, and the people there want 680.
06-01-2024 02:55:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: It's also amusing to find out goods substitutions.
06-01-2024 02:55:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: as it turns out, I accidently screwed up my fancy chair factories by expanding my glassworks which can make porcelain.
06-01-2024 02:55:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: because to a pop, a vase is as good as a fancy shirt.
06-01-2024 02:56:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: so I had to turn some of them off of porcelain and to only make normal glass, because a fancy chair factory does that more efficiently, for the most part.
06-01-2024 02:57:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I will say it's so nice having access to iron.
06-01-2024 02:57:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I want to arm 60,000 guys?  Sure thing!
06-01-2024 03:39:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Hmm, nope.  Can't do electric light without discovering electric generation.
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06-01-2024 04:52:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: 'lo
06-01-2024 04:54:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: 'lo
06-01-2024 04:57:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: how are you?  Looks like the mafia game ended and my viccy playthrough is over.
06-01-2024 04:57:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I think I'll do one more with this country to see if I can grab a port and knock out Sokoto earlier.
06-01-2024 04:58:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: and figure out if I can get to 'major power' status.
06-01-2024 04:58:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: (get enough prestige.)
06-01-2024 04:58:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: The main trouble with that is one of the best ways of getting prestige is to produce the most of something.  The european powers do most of the manufactured stuff, and China covers many of the top slots for things like 'grain'.
06-01-2024 04:59:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I could probably get rubber in the late game, though.
06-01-2024 04:59:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: especially if I can keep my eyes open for opportunities to take colonies from westerners.  I had one early in the game, did so, and decided to roll it back.
06-01-2024 05:08:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I'm doing fine
06-01-2024 05:08:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: A little sleepy, stayed up too late yesterday
06-01-2024 05:09:25 < Egan!Egan@2600:1700:4f01:ryq:toth:jqgv:nixu:pusk: eepy sy
06-01-2024 05:11:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: indeed
06-01-2024 05:13:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: was worth it to celebrate the house.
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06-01-2024 05:57:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: mmm, nope, can't beat the scandinavian army either.  I can beat their army, but they can call in Mexico and the Netherlands.
06-01-2024 05:59:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: They hate france, so maybe I'll recruit more and try to attack France instead.
06-01-2024 06:08:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Mmm.
06-01-2024 06:08:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: next game will probably be a different country, thinking about it more.  I'll try Canada.
06-01-2024 06:15:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Conquer the USA!
06-01-2024 06:15:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Pleaaaase
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06-01-2024 06:29:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: That.. might depend on how competent they are.
06-01-2024 06:29:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I've seen games where they suck.  I've seen another game where they conquered central america.
06-01-2024 06:30:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: but sure, might as well start it.  Don't really want to optimize the army AGAIN in bornu.
06-01-2024 06:30:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: so it'd be a restart or nothing there, so it might be time for a different country.
06-01-2024 06:30:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Upper Canada or Lower Canada?
06-01-2024 06:32:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I have no idea what the difference is >.>
06-01-2024 06:33:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Would it be easier to conquer America with Lower Canada?
06-01-2024 06:33:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Upper canada is further up the st. lawrence.
06-01-2024 06:33:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: it turned into Ontario.
06-01-2024 06:33:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Lower canada is further -down- the st. lawrence.
06-01-2024 06:33:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: it turned into Quebec.
06-01-2024 06:39:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: okay.
06-01-2024 06:39:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Upper canada has sulfur mines and lumber camps.  Lower canada has iron mines and logging camps.
06-01-2024 06:43:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: That said, Ontario is a fuck-off huge 'state' as the game defines it.  124 units of arable land, and that's not including the other two-thirds of the province which were part of Rupert's Land.
06-01-2024 06:45:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Hmm, that's odd.
06-01-2024 06:46:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Ottawa is named 'Bytown' (the proper name for the date) and Winnipeg is "Fort Douglas" (Also proper), but almost all other towns and cities have their modern names.
06-01-2024 06:57:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Weird
06-01-2024 06:57:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Guess the devs got lazy
06-01-2024 07:14:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: lottta work.  But yes, odd.
06-01-2024 07:14:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: my city is on the map, despite not existing at all.
06-01-2024 07:14:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: it's a bit before the gold rush, IIRC.
06-01-2024 07:15:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: also, damn.  That's the first time I've been softcapped on gold reserves and had my economy grow out from under the cap while making a significant positive balance.
06-01-2024 07:21:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Britain is always short of lumber.  I've been basically building lumber camps since the game started.
06-01-2024 07:39:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I was going to say that you can't harvest hardwood from Ontario, but it's before the chestnut blight and before urbanization took over southern Ontario.  Still, it barely got there.
06-01-2024 07:51:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Kitten rescue
06-01-2024 07:52:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Canada exporting tons of lumber seems logical.  :P
06-01-2024 08:03:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: I think I might go for getting first place there.
06-01-2024 08:04:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: It was something that was actually accomplished at one point.
06-01-2024 08:04:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: kitten!
06-01-2024 08:04:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: anyway, enough for now.  Looks like there are some mechanics involving confederation, but the in-game journal entry tooltips don't mention how.
06-01-2024 08:04:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: other than 'maintain good relations with the central government while becoming economically dominant.'
06-01-2024 08:04:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: so totally different than real life.
06-01-2024 08:05:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: IRL there were two primary reasons it happened.
06-01-2024 08:06:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: One, it was really, really goddamn stupid to have upper canada and lower canada be different, given their utter dependance on the same damn river system.
06-01-2024 08:06:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Two, America.
06-01-2024 08:06:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: ooh, I saw the red bar.  Damage was done!
06-01-2024 08:09:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Also, 'wolf jumps you from behind' is like, the essential, 100% wolf move.
06-01-2024 08:10:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: 17 HP to go.
06-01-2024 08:18:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Yup
06-01-2024 08:23:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: two damage.  That's 2/3 body armour?
06-01-2024 08:23:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: not sure if alida would get AP or grow natural armour first.
06-01-2024 08:23:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: and also, dammit, I have a level 10 lumberyard that still isn't the most productive one in the world.
06-01-2024 08:24:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: Mind you, it is making no less than 859 units of wood.
06-01-2024 08:26:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: at a glorious +43% throughput 
06-01-2024 09:22:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It's 80% light body armor with two hits.
06-01-2024 09:23:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I decided to "reward" trying to make him land on his own chainsaw by using the chainsaw's damage mechanics
06-01-2024 09:23:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Which are one hit per successful die
06-01-2024 09:45:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:nvwp:jxik:lrmz:xnqt:kqtv: ..ow.
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06-01-2024 10:53:51 < MJ!MJ@2600:1700:2c88:jxxq:kwsy:pup:tngs:vzvj: Gah
06-01-2024 10:55:17 < MJ!MJ@2600:1700:2c88:jxxq:kwsy:pup:tngs:vzvj: You know what this story is way too complicated for my present state. I’m just going to bed. 
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06-01-2024 22:17:54 -!- Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
06-01-2024 22:17:54 -!- Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]