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21-08-2023 06:49:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Welcome to #einsteinianroulette
21-08-2023 06:58:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Your Colne action isn't really valid
21-08-2023 06:58:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Only Asaka heard that voice
21-08-2023 07:01:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: yes, ER said as much.
21-08-2023 07:01:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Didn't realize that.
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21-08-2023 07:12:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: ay
21-08-2023 07:13:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: ER then rolled to see if I could hear it, I failed, so I'm gonna change orders.
21-08-2023 08:00:14 < sy!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Okay, cool
21-08-2023 08:00:35 < sy!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: My char has to wait on Saki to make an action really, and Saki's having her big exam today.
21-08-2023 08:00:59 < sy!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: So it'll be a bit before I send one
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21-08-2023 08:09:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: For a brief moment I was very surprised you only wanted to disarm the enemy.
21-08-2023 08:35:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: I don't believe we're taking prisoners here.
21-08-2023 08:35:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: or if we are, someone should say that.
21-08-2023 08:39:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Yeah, I think we're killing anything which gets in our way.
21-08-2023 08:39:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Do you think Asaka should try and use necromancy to take control of these things?
21-08-2023 08:40:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Or just use scythe?
21-08-2023 08:40:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: I'm totally willing to try to capture people with a bird that's the size of a drinking glass.
21-08-2023 08:40:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: That does sound interesting.
21-08-2023 08:40:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: ...A drinking glass?
21-08-2023 08:40:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: might get the zombie to throw the rifle off the side.
21-08-2023 08:40:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Alright I need to get Saki to draw the party.
21-08-2023 08:40:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: ..how big do you think kestrels are?
21-08-2023 08:40:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: they're tiny.
21-08-2023 08:40:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: No idea really.
21-08-2023 08:41:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: "Kestrel" is just a type of bird that a ship in FTL is named for.
21-08-2023 08:41:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: That is the limit of my knowledge
21-08-2023 08:41:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: And many other things, yes.
21-08-2023 08:41:14 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net checks wikipedia
21-08-2023 08:44:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Alright I'm going to need a drawable description of the kestrel's weaponry.
21-08-2023 08:46:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: essentially it's a thin blade about two-thirds the length of the bird, with a crossbar attached to essentially metal gauntlets.
21-08-2023 08:46:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: sharp on both sides.
21-08-2023 08:47:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: essentially the bird must let it swing down by changing direction, to add to the power of the strike.  It'd probably be a little broader at the end, like an axe.
21-08-2023 08:48:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Wielded in the talons?
21-08-2023 08:49:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: yes, but it has to peck the gaunlets open to actually drop the blade.
21-08-2023 08:49:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Hrm.
21-08-2023 08:49:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: well that is, use its beak to do that.
21-08-2023 08:52:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41e-oFN5+IL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_FMwebp_.jpg
21-08-2023 08:52:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: https://pplpreserves.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/p6060721-2.jpg?w=600
21-08-2023 08:53:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I'm visualizing a choppy sword, mounted somewhat like those edgy claws, to the part of the leg the ring is around in that photo.
21-08-2023 08:53:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Two swords or one?
21-08-2023 08:53:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: ...wait
21-08-2023 08:53:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Why am I even
21-08-2023 08:53:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Elden-Ring/warhawk_enemies_elden_ring_wiki_600px.jpg
21-08-2023 08:53:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: It's literally this, isn't it?
21-08-2023 08:56:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJbM3HBc60
21-08-2023 08:56:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: but smol
21-08-2023 08:56:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: that seems to be in individual legs, which for various reasons wouldn't work.
21-08-2023 08:56:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: can't do momentum properly like that.
21-08-2023 08:57:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: wow, those attack animations are silly.
21-08-2023 08:57:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Extremely
21-08-2023 08:57:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: and yes, really smol.
21-08-2023 08:57:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I mean, it's a bird with swords on its feet
21-08-2023 08:58:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Could you possibly make that in any way threatening and *not* have it be silly?
21-08-2023 08:58:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: yes.  If you're gonna do individual feet just make it like sharper feet gloves.
21-08-2023 08:59:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Alright.  So, does the bird like... wield a sword, just with its feet?  Or is it attached to one foot and the other holds on?
21-08-2023 09:00:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: there's a crossbar that it actually holds onto.
21-08-2023 09:01:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: it changes grip tightness to give more or less friction, but it can swing around.
21-08-2023 09:02:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: so when it hits things with it, it swoops in and changes direction a bit, to let the sword cut the target.
21-08-2023 09:02:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Ahhhh
21-08-2023 09:02:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Okaaaay
21-08-2023 09:03:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Where would it be held when the bird is resting/not in combat?
21-08-2023 09:05:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Probably drops it or just stands on it.
21-08-2023 09:05:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: outside of combat the sword-thing wouldn't be there.
21-08-2023 09:05:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Hammerspace?
21-08-2023 09:06:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: You'd have to ask ER about that.
21-08-2023 09:06:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: but yes, it'd be helpful.
21-08-2023 09:07:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: outside of combat it wouldn't be carrying it.
21-08-2023 09:09:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Hmm.  Noted.
21-08-2023 09:09:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I was thinking of a picture with Emily and Bird riding on Asaka's shoulders.
21-08-2023 09:09:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: But could have bird flying, to justify the visibility of the sword.
21-08-2023 09:09:54 < * Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh shrugs.
21-08-2023 09:09:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: not up to me.
21-08-2023 09:16:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8d/0c/82/8d0c82775596cb4373f36a797a305317.jpg
21-08-2023 09:16:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: https://i.etsystatic.com/21922093/r/il/c6d2dd/2208936703/il_fullxfull.2208936703_scuc.jpg
21-08-2023 09:16:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zu2km8n_7zE/hqdefault.jpg
21-08-2023 09:16:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/01/3b/f3013b7c313080641133ed79c1924b17.jpg
21-08-2023 09:16:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: What kind of choppy?
21-08-2023 09:18:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: From my understanding of swords, #1 is actually the most practical, but kukris feel more axey to me.  Just harder to use effectively.
21-08-2023 09:18:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: third one seems closest.
21-08-2023 09:18:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: it'd really want to be wider near the end.
21-08-2023 09:18:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Simple ebough
21-08-2023 09:19:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: also do something with the guard that'd make sense.
21-08-2023 09:19:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: it wouldn't be like a handguard.
21-08-2023 09:21:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I have no ability to visualize it honestly
21-08-2023 09:23:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: I don't know, some kinda rubber ring thing?  ;-p
21-08-2023 09:23:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: just to make it slightly harder for the bird to hit itself.
21-08-2023 09:23:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Hah
21-08-2023 09:25:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: I would have went with foot gloves if it was 'small blades'
21-08-2023 09:27:35 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net saves conversation to notes
21-08-2023 09:27:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Alright, it'll be awhile before this gets drawn.  Life is stress for the artist.
21-08-2023 09:28:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: indeed.
21-08-2023 09:28:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: In completely different news, I found a different site for browser Advance Wars.
21-08-2023 09:28:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Uses Days of Ruin mechanics instead of AW2
21-08-2023 09:30:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Hah.
21-08-2023 09:31:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: So far I like it more.
21-08-2023 09:31:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: The site has *multiple* built in tutorials, albeit terribly translated.  Seems to be a Chinese project which has an English version.
21-08-2023 09:32:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: DoR has much better unit variety and balance, particularly with naval units, which aren't absolute shit.
21-08-2023 09:33:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I like how it handles COs, too.  They have both DoR unit-boarding COs, and AW2 global side COs, with somewhat better balancing than AWBW.  Though no tiers, unfortunately.
21-08-2023 09:33:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I am seriously confused as to why AWBW has such terribly balanced COs.
21-08-2023 09:33:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: DoR COs are more imbalanced.
21-08-2023 09:34:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: like way, way WAY worse.
21-08-2023 09:34:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I don't know how bad they are between each other, maybe they're terribly broken.
21-08-2023 09:35:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: they're really, really REALLY broken.
21-08-2023 09:35:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: go look up Caulder's abilities.  ;-p
21-08-2023 09:35:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I was referring to the imported COs, which have generally been knocked down a bit if high tier, and raised a bit if low tier.  Kanbei is +20/20, and Koal is +20/0, +1 move from roads, for instance.
21-08-2023 09:35:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Which doesn't make them balanced.
21-08-2023 09:36:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: But it's closer than AWBW, where those two are +30/30 and +10/0 nothing.
21-08-2023 09:36:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: ahh, yeah, that's a philosophical issue.
21-08-2023 09:36:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: 'do we rebalance COs?'
21-08-2023 09:37:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Yes, obviously.
21-08-2023 09:37:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I've already run into annoyance with you playing Max.
21-08-2023 09:37:59 < * Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh shrugs.
21-08-2023 09:38:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: so we do mirror matches, or different rules, or choose COs by agreement.
21-08-2023 09:38:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: If I play in Tier 2 with you, I'm forced to play a specific playstyle because all T2 COs have a specific strategy (and I don't like any of them).  If I go to T1, I'm taking an advantage, and if I go to T3/4 I'm conceding an advantage.
21-08-2023 09:40:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: but I don't have to play Max.
21-08-2023 09:42:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Eh, I still would like to try beating you with Jess.
21-08-2023 09:42:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: She's a down tier but I don't entirely see why.  Has a big disadvantage with infantry, but is otherwise pretty similar and gets usable indirects.
21-08-2023 09:43:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Also gonna go with Lash on that 2v1 map you found.  Pretty sure she can match Max on it.
21-08-2023 09:44:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: heh.
21-08-2023 09:49:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: but yes, Kestrels are small.
21-08-2023 09:50:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: ...Huh.
21-08-2023 09:50:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Caulder without a nerf is actually not nearly as bad as he sounds.  Defense works differently.
21-08-2023 09:51:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: +50% defense, but in DoR defense works by (damage/(100+defense bonuses)).  So Caulder on plains gives 100/(100+50+10)=0.625 damage multiplier.
21-08-2023 09:51:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: AWBW Kanbei on plains receives 0.6x damage
21-08-2023 09:52:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Caulder has a bigger damage buff which is harder to mitigate though, and absurd healing
21-08-2023 09:52:54 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net checks how they nerfed him
21-08-2023 09:52:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Does he get insta-50% healing?
21-08-2023 09:53:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: In vanilla DoR yeah
21-08-2023 09:53:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Insane
21-08-2023 09:53:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Yes.  I can see why they went with the philosophy of 'we must rebalance COs' when they started with DoR.
21-08-2023 09:54:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Kanbei tho
21-08-2023 09:55:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Kanbei is nothing compared to Caulder.
21-08-2023 09:55:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: ;-p
21-08-2023 09:55:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: They nerf him to 2 radius, +25/25, +2 HP every turn, and it costs money.
21-08-2023 09:55:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Kanbei's strong enough it doesn't really matter, is the problem.
21-08-2023 09:55:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: He's just not fun and breaks the game.
21-08-2023 09:56:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Mmm hmm.
21-08-2023 10:00:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: They did fail to nerf Colin and Hachi though
21-08-2023 10:02:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: wait, what?
21-08-2023 10:02:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: they're also broken.
21-08-2023 10:02:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: do they just hate Kanbei in particular?
21-08-2023 10:04:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Mmm, no, they did nerf Colin somewhat, but I think he'd still be OP.  He gets -10% def D2D, and his SCOP is much weaker, but he still unit spams and still cheats to get more money.
21-08-2023 10:05:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: His SCOP isn't what's broken about him.
21-08-2023 10:05:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: -10% def would matter somewhat, though.
21-08-2023 10:05:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Yes.  Hence I said he'd be OP.
21-08-2023 10:06:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: I think Hachi isn't touched at all.  His power miiight taken longer to charge, but even if so "he uses it less often" is nowhere near enough to balance "get double money and way more bases".
21-08-2023 10:07:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Yes.
21-08-2023 10:07:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: He might also not get the passive +10/10 he gets in AWBW, but that doesn't actually matter at all.
21-08-2023 10:08:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: So Hachi is still king I guess, unless boarding COs somehow top that.
21-08-2023 10:09:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: There's also Sensai.
21-08-2023 10:09:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Boarding COs strike me as being dependant on map size.  Caulder is OP as fuck, yeah, but in a big map with three/four fronts I think he could be walled and lose elsewhere against D2D COs.
21-08-2023 10:09:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: He's in two places at once, at least, since you can move him.
21-08-2023 10:11:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Sensei still gets unit spawning, so he's broken.
21-08-2023 10:11:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: He might even be slightly stronger, since his Bcopter buff applies to dusters, so he wouldn't be unable to hit fighters I think?
21-08-2023 10:12:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: oh man.
21-08-2023 10:12:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Man why not wait his spawns at least.
21-08-2023 10:12:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: his bcopter buff applies to dusters too?
21-08-2023 10:12:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: Yes, that's what I said.
21-08-2023 10:12:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: +30% offense to Bcopter/Duster
21-08-2023 10:12:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@efqttb-206-717-280-67.mycingular.net: +50% to Mech/inf.  Oddly enough, not bikes.
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21-08-2023 10:13:33 < sy!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: Agh
21-08-2023 10:13:39 < sy!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: Why internet
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21-08-2023 10:16:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: I guess Sensei *is* nerfed a little.  Checking AWBW, he's +50 to copters and +40 to mechs.  They nerf him to 30 for both, and his powers don't buff infantry.  But... his SCOP will still give him a fuckton of mechs for free.  Still broken.
21-08-2023 10:19:39 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz compares Grit
21-08-2023 10:22:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: He doesn't get a passive offense buff to indirects.  That's basically it.  His powers also don't provide the global +10% offense most powers do.
21-08-2023 10:24:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: Javier... is totally reworked, actually.  He basically increases the effect of promotions, rather than making comm towers affect def.  Which amusingly wouldn't be so broken simply because def doesn't work the same.
21-08-2023 10:24:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: And his powers just pile on defense.
21-08-2023 10:24:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: Oh, they promote his troops
21-08-2023 10:24:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: That's strong but I have no idea how it really compares to other things.
21-08-2023 10:27:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: Sturm is literally identical except he doesn't have -20/+20 stats, and his powers only give +0/10 rather than +10/10
21-08-2023 10:33:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: Ah.  Hachi's SCOP is changed to 8 stars from 5.  COP is still 3.  Still broken.
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21-08-2023 10:34:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: Mmm, maybe not.  50% offense is big.
21-08-2023 10:35:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: And Caulder should be much more capable of rushinf.
21-08-2023 10:37:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: Given time, Hachi could get double the functional income, but he'd definitely lose earlygame, and it'd be hard to leverage double unit cost against +50/30 units and healing.  If the fronts are big he might be able to wall, but I doubt his SCOP would come fast enough to do that well enough.
21-08-2023 10:37:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: +50/30 by AW2 mechanics
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21-08-2023 11:04:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.khm.hwz: I need to wake up earlier so I can arguw with you at a more reasonable time
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21-08-2023 11:59:05 < sy!GreatWyrmG@isqttb-751-212-224-77.mycingular.net: Thinking about it more (I can't stop), I think Hachi *could* reasonably beat vanilla Caulder even in a small map, though it's Caulder's game to lose.  Caulder's power is dependant on his CO unit, so there's a keystone.  If you can kill that in one turn, he's down to a 100/100 CO with no boons at all.  A misplay could hurt the player very badly.  Moreover, this changes how Caulder plays.
21-08-2023 12:00:13 < sy!GreatWyrmG@isqttb-751-212-224-77.mycingular.net: If the match goes on long enough without Caulder gaining substantial advantages, Hachi will win due to unit count.  +50/30 isn't enough to offset half income I don't think.
21-08-2023 12:00:50 < sy!GreatWyrmG@isqttb-751-212-224-77.mycingular.net: But being too aggressive could open his CO up to getting sniped.
21-08-2023 12:01:08 < sy!GreatWyrmG@isqttb-751-212-224-77.mycingular.net: Not being aggressive enough could lead to being econ starved.
21-08-2023 12:01:28 < sy!GreatWyrmG@isqttb-751-212-224-77.mycingular.net: Caulder would still be tier -1 or -2, heh
21-08-2023 12:02:17 < sy!GreatWyrmG@isqttb-751-212-224-77.mycingular.net: Would make a good AI opponent though.
21-08-2023 12:02:35 < sy!GreatWyrmG@isqttb-751-212-224-77.mycingular.net: I like the fact that awdor has AI.
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21-08-2023 20:46:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: Hello Egan.
21-08-2023 20:46:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: had a conversation with syv about what birb is actually armed with.
21-08-2023 20:48:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:fac0:yxgx:zwps:lmtr:sygx:gkgh: might be a picture, but basically it's a sword with a handle that's shaped like a bar, at 90 degrees so the blade's parallel with the length of the bird.
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