11-06-2023 00:26:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Wooo logbot is back
11-06-2023 00:27:41 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: logslogslogs
11-06-2023 00:45:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: looogbot.
11-06-2023 00:51:19 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: does it make sense to allow wizard to draw static electricity from the ground in order to shoot electrity at people
11-06-2023 01:07:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: is the ground carpeted?
11-06-2023 01:07:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: I mean I can see that.
11-06-2023 01:12:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: "Is fire a chemical reaction?" is probably a pretty good litmus test for whether or not I'll like a setting's physics
11-06-2023 01:12:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: "Yes" is a bad sign
11-06-2023 01:17:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: I'd like to see more settings where the answer is "yes, because when these chemicals are arranged next to each other, it often forms a symbol which pisses off the omniscient spirit of Moghwyn, forming heat."
11-06-2023 01:18:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: Hah.
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11-06-2023 01:24:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: "Fluorine is the most powerful oxidant, because it has the atomic symbol F, also short for Fuck"
11-06-2023 01:24:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: and update.
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11-06-2023 01:25:58 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: pls
11-06-2023 01:26:28 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: the more things which work differently to our world, the harder it will be for anyone to predict what should happen
11-06-2023 01:26:35 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: which goes for both players and GM
11-06-2023 01:27:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: You can't complain about physics if everything is wrong!
11-06-2023 01:27:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Exactly!
11-06-2023 01:27:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: It also allows fun cool stuff
11-06-2023 01:28:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: I have enough trouble keeping the world working in Extinction.
11-06-2023 01:28:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Like the villain's evil plot could be to make Moghwyn's spouse cheat on him with a Nitrogen elemental, causing him to have such overwhelming animosity for nitrogen that it becomes a stronger oxider than flourine, with naturally apocalyptic effects.
11-06-2023 01:29:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: The story writes itself
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11-06-2023 01:30:07 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: lo
11-06-2023 01:30:14 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: syv ER devastator
11-06-2023 01:30:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: hi
11-06-2023 01:30:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: 'lo
11-06-2023 01:30:34 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: how're you all?
11-06-2023 01:30:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: I gotta admit, I never put scenarios like that in the happy fun table of doom.
11-06-2023 01:30:50 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: And I finnally finished the third book of the witcher series. Only took like 3 months
11-06-2023 01:30:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: congrats.
11-06-2023 01:31:05 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: It's a quite good series
11-06-2023 01:31:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: I'm tired and depressed, as usual.  You?
11-06-2023 01:31:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: And congrats
11-06-2023 01:31:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: BTW, is fire in mainpiston a chemical reaction?
11-06-2023 01:31:33 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: What do you mean?
11-06-2023 01:31:53 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: And I'm fine enough, just sad it took me 3 months to read 300 pages.
11-06-2023 01:32:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: I don't know how to simplify this question further
11-06-2023 01:32:38 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: Like just regular fire?
11-06-2023 01:32:45 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: not like something weird with beasts?
11-06-2023 01:32:56 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: I guess Lightswitch implies that fire is not a chemical reaction in nyafor. hrm.
11-06-2023 01:33:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Good
11-06-2023 01:33:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Yes, MJ
11-06-2023 01:33:15 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: If so so then yes, regular fire is a chemical reaction
11-06-2023 01:33:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Damn
11-06-2023 01:33:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Is other fire not?
11-06-2023 01:34:12 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: Beast fire is beast bullshit, so it's like chemistry physics and biology but tweaked by a madman in a localized manner
11-06-2023 01:34:18 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: why?
11-06-2023 01:34:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Check the logs
11-06-2023 01:34:35 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: and demonfire? :3
11-06-2023 01:34:45 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: I don't have any logs
11-06-2023 01:34:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Parisbre logs
11-06-2023 01:34:53 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: based
11-06-2023 01:35:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: And I guess beast fire sounds like it upgrades Mainpiston to a C from an F
11-06-2023 01:35:31 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: Ah neat
11-06-2023 01:35:37 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: 21:12 <syv> "Is fire a chemical reaction?" is probably a pretty good litmus test for whether or not I'll like a setting's physics
11-06-2023 01:35:38 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: 21:12 <syv> "Yes" is a bad sign
11-06-2023 01:35:38 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: 21:17 <syv> I'd like to see more settings where the answer is "yes, because when these chemicals are arranged next to each other, it often forms a symbol which pisses off the omniscient spirit of Moghwyn, forming heat."
11-06-2023 01:36:08 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: There is also daemon fire, but that's mostly just daemons being pissy and wanting to have some chaos
11-06-2023 01:36:26 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: Settting a dameon mech on fire typically causes fun things to occur
11-06-2023 01:37:01 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: Anyway, dwarves?
11-06-2023 01:37:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: No.  Maybe after I get to work
11-06-2023 01:37:30 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: Alright
11-06-2023 01:37:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Not with me anyways
11-06-2023 01:37:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: I'm up for it.
11-06-2023 01:37:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: The other two like fun
11-06-2023 01:38:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: (syv) "Fluorine is the most powerful oxidant, because it has the atomic symbol F, also short for Fuck"
11-06-2023 01:38:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: (syv) It also allows fun cool stuff
11-06-2023 01:38:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: (syv) Like the villain's evil plot could be to make Moghwyn's spouse cheat on him with a Nitrogen elemental, causing him to have such overwhelming animosity for nitrogen that it becomes a stronger oxider than flourine, with naturally apocalyptic effects.
11-06-2023 01:38:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: (syv) The story writes itself
11-06-2023 01:38:18 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: actually I hate fun
11-06-2023 01:38:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Too bad, we're subjecting you to it regardless
11-06-2023 01:39:31 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: MP's physics goes from extremly realtistic to free association in direct correlation the how many beasts and daemons are around at any given point in time.
11-06-2023 01:40:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: That an ok answer, syv?
11-06-2023 01:40:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: I guess that means the amount I like Mainpiston is in direct correlation the how many beasts and daemons are around at any given point in time.
11-06-2023 01:40:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: A lot?
11-06-2023 01:41:22 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: Fair enough I suppose
11-06-2023 01:42:16 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: I mean without those it IS just sky WWII
11-06-2023 01:42:28 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: Which would be fun by itself honestly
11-06-2023 01:42:57 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: every gamer knows that it's fun to shoot the whermacht with a tommy gun
11-06-2023 01:43:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: True
11-06-2023 01:44:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: anyway, dwarves?
11-06-2023 01:44:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3y1zj5qq8udl9hqr5nnypg20n.ipv2.telus.net: I can try hosting.
11-06-2023 01:44:16 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: I'm down. 
11-06-2023 01:44:24 < MJ!mj@7312-8655-9552-40bp-41iv-9021-tu2w-5w62.res0.spectrum.com: i just got a new secondary
11-06-2023 01:45:05 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: eating dinner right now
11-06-2023 02:15:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: I'm gonna go
11-06-2023 02:15:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@129.222.tkx.pug: Be back soonish
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11-06-2023 03:04:24 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: syv I think you're a vital part of our team >.<
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11-06-2023 03:07:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I appear missing
11-06-2023 04:43:27 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: ow
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11-06-2023 05:57:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: mmm.
11-06-2023 05:57:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: there's vid of a GMRLS missile bullseying a Grad.
11-06-2023 05:58:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Nice
11-06-2023 06:15:42 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: how do I write this mechanic down
11-06-2023 06:16:42 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: alright, so this type of magic needs you to sit down with your book and memorize spells. there are several different schools you can pick from, which each have their own stat attached
11-06-2023 06:17:47 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: when you prepare spells, you can prepare spells from each of your known schools, and the number of spells in each school you can memorize is the same as your skill
11-06-2023 06:18:55 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: so if you have +1 aggression and +2 empathy and know both schools you can prepare 1 attack spell and 2 healing spells
11-06-2023 06:22:38 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: or maybe it should count the skill +1 too, so it would be 2 and 3 spells
11-06-2023 06:25:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I think maybe 1 and 2.
11-06-2023 06:38:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I need to play engineer next time we do a round
11-06-2023 06:39:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I have a rocket jump overclock for the grenade launcher, which in addition to letting you rocket jump, gives you 50% more grenades.  And a bigger AoE.
11-06-2023 06:39:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: As a downside it reduces damage, but it still mostly kills grunts, AND sets them on fire.
11-06-2023 06:40:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: But it's just fun to have 20 grenades
11-06-2023 06:40:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: With a 9 meter diameter aoe, each
11-06-2023 06:41:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Maybe it should have spell count be double the stst bonus.
11-06-2023 06:42:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: A +2 is a pretty significant investment, and only getting two spells isn't much at all.
11-06-2023 06:50:42 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: mm
11-06-2023 06:54:14 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: mlem
11-06-2023 06:54:32 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: hey I'll PM you what I have so far and then go sleep
11-06-2023 06:54:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Okay
11-06-2023 06:54:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: That sounds like a plan
11-06-2023 06:59:53 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: sent
11-06-2023 07:00:53 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: welp now I want to stay and hear your reaction v.v
11-06-2023 07:02:38 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: ooh welll
11-06-2023 07:02:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I'm not going to read it immediately.  Sleep, egg.
11-06-2023 07:02:48 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: hugs needed
11-06-2023 07:04:44 < * Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net hugs ER.
11-06-2023 07:05:07 < * ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net hugs dev
11-06-2023 07:05:10 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: good night
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11-06-2023 07:09:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: Maybe 1,3,6.
11-06-2023 07:09:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: +2 gives you +2 spells.
11-06-2023 08:57:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: `roll 1d12
11-06-2023 08:57:39 < GameServ!gameserv@services.darkmyst.org: Devastator rolled 1d12: 5  <Total: 5>
11-06-2023 08:58:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: oh, did a brief Extinction post.
11-06-2023 09:13:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I see
11-06-2023 09:13:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Not sure what to do
11-06-2023 09:19:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: Yeah, a better roll there might have helped a bit.
11-06-2023 09:19:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: but there's options.
11-06-2023 09:28:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Hrm.  I got another overclock for the plasma rifle.  It recharges ammo when overheating, but increases overheat duration by 30% and reduces total ammo supply by 30%.
11-06-2023 09:29:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: The overclocks guide on steam says it makes it so you "almost never need to resupply", and is therefore good for deep dives.
11-06-2023 09:30:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: how many shots does it take to overheat?
11-06-2023 09:30:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: 45
11-06-2023 09:30:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: and how much ammo does it get back?
11-06-2023 09:30:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Or you can manually overheat at 18
11-06-2023 09:30:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: ahh.
11-06-2023 09:31:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Gives back at most ~70% with a full 45 shot burst, or at minimum ~47% with an early overheat.  According to the wiki, anyway.
11-06-2023 09:31:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Which equates to ~40% bonus ammo at worst, or ~130% bonus ammo at best.
11-06-2023 09:32:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: And at the cost of not using a different overclock, and spending a lot of time overheating.
11-06-2023 09:33:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: hmm.
11-06-2023 09:33:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: well maybe.
11-06-2023 09:33:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: might be better to just bring extra ammo.
11-06-2023 09:34:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Overheat duration is 3.25s at most, with 45 shots.  Don't want to math how long it takes to reach that, but in the one mission I played it felt like it was a little longer than the overheat, so ~4s or so.
11-06-2023 09:36:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It's also kind've a weak gun in general.  Even with double ammo, I don't see how that would be "never needing a resupply", especially considering you're turning down other OCs, which can potentially grant 50% boosts.
11-06-2023 09:46:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: hmm.
11-06-2023 09:46:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: ugh, I probably need to do some solos to unlock weapons and earn resources.
11-06-2023 09:47:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: and get some overclocks.
11-06-2023 09:47:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Eh?
11-06-2023 09:47:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Nah, it's time gated unless you really grind for promotions.
11-06-2023 09:47:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: You should avoid playing L25 classes and prioritize promotions if you want to be fast though.
11-06-2023 09:48:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I imagine you're in front of Egan and MJ anyways
11-06-2023 09:48:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: Yeah, but I've got like four weapon unlock missions and like 10 weapons I don't have overclocks for, and can't afford to upgrade them.
11-06-2023 09:49:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Bought a lot of cosmetics?  ;P
11-06-2023 09:50:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: A fair number, yeah.
11-06-2023 09:50:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: not an overwhelming number.
11-06-2023 09:50:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: like 5% of the total.
11-06-2023 09:51:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Yeah
11-06-2023 09:51:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: if that.
11-06-2023 09:53:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I wouldn't say it's too necessary.  While a few overclocks do sound pretty OP, most seem to be intentionally balanced so they increase your effectiveness by about a third.  20-40% buff, with the higher end adding heavy restrictions to the buff.
11-06-2023 09:53:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: That's a significant increase, but you only really need one decent OC on Gunner for the really important stuff.
11-06-2023 09:56:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I'd like them for the secondary weapons.
11-06-2023 09:56:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: but gunner-wise is fine.
11-06-2023 09:56:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: the other classes are pretty barren that way.
11-06-2023 09:57:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I see it as more longevity for the game for non-scout classes.
11-06-2023 09:57:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: On scout, my peak capability is important.  I want to be able to carry or save hard missions.  So I want the absolute best scout builds.
11-06-2023 09:58:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: mmm.
11-06-2023 09:58:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Engi/gunner?  Nah, I'm not good enough with them to carry, I'm just playing them to vary the game up, and OCs just make it play different.
11-06-2023 09:58:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I don't think my performance is good enough that peak performance matters.
11-06-2023 09:58:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Nah, it definitely is on gunner.
11-06-2023 09:58:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: You clutch situations sometimes.
11-06-2023 09:59:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: If you get 10% better on gunner, we'll be able to do missions we'd otherwise fail.
11-06-2023 09:59:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Especially when we're playing without egan.
11-06-2023 09:59:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I wish the autocannon wasn't so much better than the minigun.
11-06-2023 09:59:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: hehe
11-06-2023 10:00:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: the minigun is just -so- bad in comparison.
11-06-2023 10:02:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It is
11-06-2023 10:04:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I think the only thing it's really better at is the rollers.
11-06-2023 10:04:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Seems odd.  All the other class's basic weapons seem like they're generally the best.  Maybe not driller, I think cryo is considered the best since it debuffs.
11-06-2023 10:04:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I think it just suffers 'early weapon syndrome'
11-06-2023 10:04:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: everything else gets overbuffed.
11-06-2023 10:05:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Ehhh
11-06-2023 10:05:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Hm.
11-06-2023 10:05:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: ...It might feel so much worse because you play with me.
11-06-2023 10:06:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Scout is always best at single targets, and I broadly prioritize them.
11-06-2023 10:06:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: The minigun doesn't come with AoE like the autocannon, so of course it's much worse against swarms.
11-06-2023 10:07:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: It's only marginally better against single targets.
11-06-2023 10:07:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I switched to the +25% direct damage bonus from the double-sized magazines.
11-06-2023 10:07:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: Of course the minigun doesn't get an upgrade like that.
11-06-2023 10:07:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: its damage upgrades are 10%.
11-06-2023 10:08:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: *looks at game*
11-06-2023 10:09:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: they seem like that.
11-06-2023 10:09:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Minigun T2 is 20% damage, T3 is a choice between "20%" (armor break against grunts), stunlocking, and +1 punchthrough.
11-06-2023 10:09:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I could be wrong, but the damage is just so low.
11-06-2023 10:10:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: T4 can give +15% at full tilt, and T5 is heat mechanics.  T1 is cooling/10% RoF/-75% inaccuracy
11-06-2023 10:11:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Autocannon...
11-06-2023 10:12:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: T1: 13% damage bonus (21% boost to direct, but AoE applies to direct hits)
11-06-2023 10:12:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Or 50% more ammo
11-06-2023 10:13:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: T2 is accuracy/spinup/36% more RoF (!)
11-06-2023 10:14:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: mmm hmm.
11-06-2023 10:15:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: T3 is the same RoF buff / 22% AoE damage (9% overall, but 22% is more accurate for aoe) / 28% direct (17% overall)
11-06-2023 10:16:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: T4: 20% from armor break / more aoe range
11-06-2023 10:16:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: T5: +10% to all damage when at full tilt / fear / damage resistance at full tilt
11-06-2023 10:16:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Hmmm
11-06-2023 10:17:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: Yeah, so many damage boosts, plus big AoE, just so much extra damage.
11-06-2023 10:17:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: ...Also armor break is 25%, thinking about it.  It's *negating* a 20% buff.  Or way way more in the case of rollers.
11-06-2023 10:17:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: and the base numbers are better.
11-06-2023 10:17:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Negating a 20% resist*
11-06-2023 10:19:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Building for single target, autocannon does 21+9 damage per round, with 5.5/7.5 RoF, whatever that means, and 440 total bullets.  Building for longevity reduces you to 18+9 with 660 total.
11-06-2023 10:20:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Plus 10% at full tilt
11-06-2023 10:22:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Minigun is... basically just 12, plus maaaybe heat buildup and +15% damage at full tilt.  With 30/34 RoF depending on whether you want accuracy.
11-06-2023 10:22:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: 2400 max ammo, with the max ammo upgrade giving you +25% and losing a +20% DPS buff, which sounds awful.
11-06-2023 10:24:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Ah, rof is bullets per second
11-06-2023 10:25:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: And it sounds like the minigun just doubles bullet numbers, so I guess the RoF and total ammo are half that?
11-06-2023 10:28:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: that would make sense.
11-06-2023 10:28:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Well, regardless, it's 165/225 DPS with 13200 total for the AC, or alternatively 149/203 with 17820 total.
11-06-2023 10:28:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: it doesn't seem to do 300 dps.
11-06-2023 10:28:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Lower DPS numbers are if you choose accuracy over higher fire rate, which seems logical on a single target build.
11-06-2023 10:28:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Minigun numbers...
11-06-2023 10:29:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: plus AoE for the AC.
11-06-2023 10:30:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: 12*15*1.5 = 270 DPS for minigun, with 12*1200 = 14400 total damage.
11-06-2023 10:31:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Assuming taking the accuracy bonus instead of firing 17 rounds per second.
11-06-2023 10:31:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: plus the first shots miss.
11-06-2023 10:31:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: plus it overheats if you go too fast.
11-06-2023 10:33:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Huh, overheating is linear, so more RoF doesn't make it overheat faster.
11-06-2023 10:36:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It lasts 9.5 seconds before overheating, but loses the first 0.7s to spinup, so 8.8s.  Which is... 2376 single target damage before overheat.
11-06-2023 10:37:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: if you can get it to the last minute.
11-06-2023 10:37:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: and what's the cooldown time?
11-06-2023 10:37:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: EHP of a Haz 5 Praetorian is 1125, so it can fairly comfortably kill two.
11-06-2023 10:37:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: With 4 players
11-06-2023 10:38:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Cooldown time is 10s, which sounds pretty clearly like you're supposed to never let it overheat.
11-06-2023 10:41:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: counting armor?
11-06-2023 10:43:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: but yeah, you can kill two.
11-06-2023 10:46:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Praets have no face armor, and armor actually does nearly nothing if you have AP.
11-06-2023 10:47:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Without AP, grunt armor reduces damage by 20%, and praet armor reduces damage by 100%.  With AP, it doesn't apply to the shot which breaks it, and *usually* it breaks in one shot.  Depends on breakpoints which almost everything hits given AP.
11-06-2023 10:48:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Though the minigun does have an actual choice in the AP tier.  You can take permastun instead of AP, or blowthrough,
11-06-2023 10:48:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: AC only has +rad, which isn't what you want on a single target build anyway
11-06-2023 10:49:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: (No, but it's damn, damn good.)
11-06-2023 10:49:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: the radius is massive.
11-06-2023 10:51:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Yeah, I think the AC is definitely a better gun overall, because it's really good at swarms and the minigun is only fairly good at single target... and there's better options for single targets.  Like a scout with an AMR.  :v
11-06-2023 10:51:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Swarms are what you really care about
11-06-2023 10:52:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: It kinda makes sense as a starter gun, I guess.
11-06-2023 10:52:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Enemy *count* is a major way they scale difficulty.  So starting out, a single-target weapon will be better against spread out enemies.
11-06-2023 10:52:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: or your secondary.
11-06-2023 10:53:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: gunner has solid secondaries for doing single target damage.
11-06-2023 10:54:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: ...Oddly enough I think of gunner's secondaries as AoE, heh.  Mostly because I have a revolver OC which makes it godly for AoE.
11-06-2023 10:54:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: I've got the random bonus damage OC for the revolver.
11-06-2023 10:54:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: but I use the BRT mostly.
11-06-2023 10:54:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: and it's got the massive bonus damage OC.
11-06-2023 10:55:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Oh
11-06-2023 10:55:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: The minigun has no weakpoint boost, at all.
11-06-2023 10:55:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: oop.
11-06-2023 10:55:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: hmm.
11-06-2023 10:55:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: guess I should do more faceshooting then.
11-06-2023 10:56:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: Weirdly enough, the only weakpoint boost on a gunner primary... is the missile launcher...?
11-06-2023 10:56:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: A really hefty one too, 50%
11-06-2023 10:57:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@155-004-684-709.biz.spectrum.com: I guess it's functionally a 25% boost, since half the damage is inevitably AoE.
11-06-2023 10:57:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: which of course is an AoE weapon.
11-06-2023 10:57:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: gj with weakpoint bonus on that.
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11-06-2023 14:50:04 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: autocannon just feels awful for swarms for me
11-06-2023 14:51:18 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: because I point it vaguely in the direction of some grunts and hold LMB and then maybe a few of them die. It's not like they die in one shell or each shell hits them all and I can't choose which grunt to kill even because it's so inaccurate
11-06-2023 14:52:24 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: I use minigun with accuracy and stun and it works quite well for grunts, just sweep their heads. actually being able to hit the particular point I'm aiming at means I can take out grunts quickly one at a time, AND melt any weakpoints on bigger things
11-06-2023 14:54:17 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: you say that autocannon has AoE but it sure feels like the area in question is the floor next to a random one of the three grunts currently in my crosshair which is a fourth of my screen
11-06-2023 14:55:55 < ER!smuxi@559-025-147-15.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net: if you hit a swarm of grunts which are both big enough to not cut down and not far away enough to whittle away at in time, should probably just press G
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11-06-2023 21:02:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: `roll 3d12
11-06-2023 21:02:03 < GameServ!gameserv@services.darkmyst.org: Devastator rolled 3d12: 6 12 12  <Total: 30>
11-06-2023 21:02:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@aank-7p2hz8wc7szi5qfimbi8ifzkm.ipv0.telus.net: Ahh, flippin' drama dice.