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30-04-2022 05:47:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I just found out that the US military has chosen to actually adopt a new service rifle.
30-04-2022 05:48:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Why the fuck they decided that I don't know
30-04-2022 05:48:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But at least it has a gas piston and lacks a failure button
30-04-2022 05:49:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: hah.
30-04-2022 05:51:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's also using a new caliber, 6.8.  Which didn't surprise me.  Until I realized it's ".277 SIG FURY", and not 6.8 Remington.
30-04-2022 05:52:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It looks fucky
30-04-2022 05:52:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I have a lot of misgivings despite the fact I haven't read much of anything about this yet
30-04-2022 05:53:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...What the fuck?
30-04-2022 05:53:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's basically high velocity 308???
30-04-2022 05:53:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But with a more complex case?
30-04-2022 05:54:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: We're going back to battle rifles as service rifles???????
30-04-2022 05:54:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: What the fuck?
30-04-2022 05:54:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Oh god.
30-04-2022 05:58:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: no offense, but I'm sure you'd hate it regardless.  ;-p
30-04-2022 05:59:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: The FN SCAR was in the competition.  I don't hate that.
30-04-2022 05:59:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But if the SCAR-H was chosen to replace the M4A1, yeah, I'd still complain.
30-04-2022 05:59:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: What the fuck
30-04-2022 06:00:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "Our M4A1s that are damn near PDW size can't penetrate the heaviest body armor!"
30-04-2022 06:00:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "I know!  We'll replace ALL OF OUR SERVICE RIFLES WITH A FUCKING BATTLE RIFLE FIRING 308 BUT HEAVIER!"
30-04-2022 06:01:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: well, the cataclysm players will love it.  ;-p
30-04-2022 06:01:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "Damn, this shortsword isn't quite up to snuff.  Maybe I should use a zweihander instead?"
30-04-2022 06:01:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: This won't succeed.
30-04-2022 06:01:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: This is the MK23 all over again
30-04-2022 06:01:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: They'll make it, hemmorhage money, and it will be refused.
30-04-2022 06:02:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: They're including a brick of an optic with all the guns too
30-04-2022 06:02:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I'm also suspicios of the caliber?
30-04-2022 06:03:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: SIG made an all new caliber for it, but ballistically it's just... 308 but a little heavier and better.  And considering it uses a case that includes a steel *and* brass section, is probably expensive as fuck.
30-04-2022 06:04:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And our main classic rival just showed that they REALLY don't need us to uparm to fight them.
30-04-2022 06:04:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So this is for China?
30-04-2022 06:05:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Is 5.56 really not good enough for China?  Is anyone seriously worried about that?
30-04-2022 06:05:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: from the sound of it it'll punch right through the sides of BTRs and such.
30-04-2022 06:05:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ehhhh
30-04-2022 06:05:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: *googles BTR armor*
30-04-2022 06:08:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...Probably not modern ones.   But maybe.  Close thing.
30-04-2022 06:08:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's got a bit higher muzzle energy and a bit smaller cross section.
30-04-2022 06:09:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: .277 vs .308
30-04-2022 06:09:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So I'd expect it to better at AP, but it's still less energy than 30-06.  Maybe a bit better than that, for cross section.
30-04-2022 06:10:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I don't see it going through an inch of RHA.
30-04-2022 06:11:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That said, yes, it's prolly going to go right through any kind of infantry armor.
30-04-2022 06:11:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: yeah, but half the APCs are aluminum..
30-04-2022 06:11:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Buuuut infantry armor that resists AP 308 is rare and extremely heavy and still limited in coverage.
30-04-2022 06:12:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yes, it will murder bradleys, like any good GPMG using AP ammo.
30-04-2022 06:12:53 < * Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net shrugs.
30-04-2022 06:13:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: If they wanted a doctrinal change to include more MGs in squads, maybe go right out and start issuing the LWMMG, sure, I'd support that.  That would actually be a viable anti-light armor strategy
30-04-2022 06:15:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: This, though, is more..."We will ensure all of our infantry can damage the shittiest transports with their personal weapons at close range."
30-04-2022 06:15:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: why
30-04-2022 06:15:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Anti infantry armor, that's the reason, but it still seems ill-advised.
30-04-2022 06:16:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: There will not be significant amounts of chinese infantry using 308 AP resistant armor.
30-04-2022 06:16:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ugh, hell, if it were just to replace the rifles we use, I'd accept that.  Actually, that sounds great
30-04-2022 06:17:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Replacing 308 is overdue, and makes a LOT of sense.  It's not such a good round for its roles.  Marksmen have already broadly abandoned it for more appropriate calibers.
30-04-2022 06:17:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Replacing 5.56 with it is what's stupid, and replacing M4A1s with a battle rifle.  Just, flat out.
30-04-2022 06:17:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And they won't.
30-04-2022 06:17:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Expensive and everyone will hate it.
30-04-2022 06:18:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It'll become an SF tool that they use sometimes.
30-04-2022 06:18:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: like every other new weapon in 20 years?
30-04-2022 06:19:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yes!
30-04-2022 06:19:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: For a good reason!
30-04-2022 06:30:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: new podcast in Hunter: The Family or whatever that is.
30-04-2022 06:31:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: some good lines, as always.
30-04-2022 06:31:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I swear, being the Emps voice actor must be fun.
30-04-2022 06:32:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ASOS broke again
30-04-2022 06:32:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Actual work today
30-04-2022 06:32:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: oop.
30-04-2022 06:33:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Amusingly, I'm supposed to do practice obs today.  Which is just manually doing all the information and writing a manual ob.
30-04-2022 06:33:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...Which I now have to do anyway because it broke.
30-04-2022 06:37:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: heh.
30-04-2022 06:51:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: mmm, war news is mostly good.
30-04-2022 06:51:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: looks like most of the russian attacks petered out.
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30-04-2022 06:59:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Back
30-04-2022 06:59:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Irony has plan, it seems.
30-04-2022 06:59:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Latest offensive, too little too late?
30-04-2022 07:00:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: mostly just didn't make too much progress, including swapping some units out.
30-04-2022 07:01:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: probably going to move forward for the next week, but not far.
30-04-2022 07:01:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: then it'll be back to pushing/pushing.
30-04-2022 07:04:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: they are fighting less dumbly, but at this point Ukraine no longer needs 3:1 kill ratios.
30-04-2022 07:08:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Mmm.  Good to hear.
30-04-2022 07:08:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Dorren has status resistance, that sucks.
30-04-2022 07:08:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Can't just spam sonic stun on him.
30-04-2022 07:09:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Part of my brain just told me to look up the ring of deja vu on the Extinction wiki.
30-04-2022 07:12:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: It's not that poular, sadly.
30-04-2022 07:12:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: but that's a good feeling.
30-04-2022 07:12:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: heh.
30-04-2022 07:12:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Can I quote you to Irony?
30-04-2022 07:15:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I also really don't have the chops for the kind of alternate reality gamt that would be.
30-04-2022 07:18:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Sure
30-04-2022 07:18:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Posted in Ext
30-04-2022 07:19:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Heh.
30-04-2022 07:19:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I'm ruling that the save-or-die petrify spell was a consumable.
30-04-2022 07:19:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: don't want the game to end on a 50-50 chance.
30-04-2022 07:20:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "Does Dorren only need one more round?"  How would he end it in one round if we have well over 100 HP?  He's not a blaster mage, and he shouldn't have the ability to summon anything disastrous.
30-04-2022 07:20:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "....Wait."
30-04-2022 07:21:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Okay, I could edit my post and quote you on that.
30-04-2022 07:21:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I mean, he does have save-or-suck spells.
30-04-2022 07:21:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: but sure.
30-04-2022 07:21:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But it being a consumable doesn't mean he can't have it.
30-04-2022 07:21:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: No.
30-04-2022 07:23:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Stoning is more of a plot thing.
30-04-2022 07:23:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: or a bonus boss thing.
30-04-2022 07:25:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I'll go post that.
30-04-2022 07:26:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: really, that stoning spell was for plot complications and was going to get one of you.
30-04-2022 07:28:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: 30-06 AP doesn't go through 3/4 inch AR500
30-04-2022 07:28:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So I highly doubt 277 SIG will go through an inch
30-04-2022 07:29:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Aluminum, maybe.
30-04-2022 07:30:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: hmm
30-04-2022 07:30:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: well, russian mettalurgy.
30-04-2022 07:30:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: we saw that T-72s can't survive 30mm autocannons.  ;-p
30-04-2022 07:30:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: even though they mostly can on paper.
30-04-2022 07:59:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: We *really* don't need to replace our service rifle to deal with the Russian military.
30-04-2022 08:00:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Going on how effective they've been, we could win a war without any rifles at all.  Pistols and SMGs being the only allowed infantry arms.
30-04-2022 08:13:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Oh my god
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30-04-2022 12:59:14 -!- Topic set by syv [Saturday 22 May 2021, 04:44:55]
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30-04-2022 14:48:01 < ER!smuxi@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: moar dakka
30-04-2022 14:48:09 < ER!smuxi@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: bigger bullet is better bullet
30-04-2022 14:55:21 < ER!smuxi@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: also, while this war does show that the russian military are weaker than most people expected due to poor maintainence and corruption and such
30-04-2022 14:55:45 < ER!smuxi@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: do we really know that the US doesn't ALSO have hidden problems like that?
30-04-2022 14:56:36 < ER!smuxi@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: guess you could argue that our corruption is more visible, in the form of making battle rifles that everybody is going to hate and such
30-04-2022 15:03:11 < ER!smuxi@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I dunno, I guess my point is that it feels wrong to look at the war and think "ha, russia is suck the US is obviously better than that" as opposed to the real lession which is "oh yeah, powerful countries can still trip over their own dicks militarily"
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30-04-2022 18:23:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: The US has some problems, but they do engage in war and have more than just nominal training.
30-04-2022 18:23:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: A big hot war will show problems, but it won't be on that scale.  Not by half.
30-04-2022 19:06:42 < ER!smuxi@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: mm
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