09-02-2022 04:23:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: mmm.
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09-02-2022 05:05:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: heyo.
09-02-2022 05:06:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: heyo.
09-02-2022 05:06:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: :(
09-02-2022 05:08:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: :(?
09-02-2022 05:11:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Too many crappy things
09-02-2022 05:11:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: I don't want to think about them enough to describe them
09-02-2022 05:14:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: mmm.
09-02-2022 05:14:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: fair 'nuff.
09-02-2022 05:18:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Extinction's prolly another day.
09-02-2022 05:18:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Okay
09-02-2022 05:18:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: but can chat about what to sell.
09-02-2022 05:18:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: the Stolen Goods, obv.
09-02-2022 05:18:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: I very nearly went back on selling, to instead do something that might make us more money.  More efficient.
09-02-2022 05:19:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: ...But I think getting an upgrade here will probably be one of the most impactful times in the game.
09-02-2022 05:19:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Getting out of Tulia in good shape is probably going to be hard, and *important*, while the rest of the game will have more time to prepare.  I think.
09-02-2022 05:24:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: What do you mean by good shape?
09-02-2022 05:26:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: "Without restarting and with a good Alice"
09-02-2022 05:26:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Ahh.
09-02-2022 05:26:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Yeah, that's certainly possible.  I'm not sure as to how hard it is.
09-02-2022 05:26:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Though I suppose from what you've said, all the Alices are good
09-02-2022 05:26:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Either mechanically good or narratively good
09-02-2022 05:27:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Yeah I mean, I'm not going to saddle you with an Alice I hate.
09-02-2022 05:27:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: or that I think you will hate.
09-02-2022 05:27:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: I imagine it's more likely to be hard than Arc III?
09-02-2022 05:28:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: There's some challenge in Act III.
09-02-2022 05:28:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: It might not have the driving force of the army after you, but not everything you'll have to do is easy.
09-02-2022 05:31:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: It's mostly freeform, but there's still one or two things that really should happen, if you want to have a real chance to win.
09-02-2022 05:32:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Mmm
09-02-2022 05:32:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Maybe.
09-02-2022 05:33:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: The other thought is about setting up an Alice.  Visiting the magic university so that whatever Alice might be there has a better relationship with us.
09-02-2022 05:33:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Factionally, at least
09-02-2022 05:33:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Oh, there's some fun stuff there.
09-02-2022 05:33:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: But that feels a bit too blind for my taste.
09-02-2022 05:34:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: (I hate to spoil it, but Alice isn't there.  If Alice were there, she'd be off fighting somewhere at this particular time.)
09-02-2022 05:36:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: (But, you know.. you might meet someone who that hypothetical Alice knows..)
09-02-2022 05:36:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Yeah, factionally.
09-02-2022 05:36:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: I know we won't meet Alice--any Alice--before joining up with her.  That would disrupt the quantum superposition of the name.
09-02-2022 05:37:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: But if there's a mage Alice, fair shot she's factionally aligned with that place, and if we make them happy, more chance we keep their Alice.
09-02-2022 05:38:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Thing is, we're guanteed *a* Alice, and I don't feel strongly enough about having a mage Alice that trying to help get her is worth going out of our way for
09-02-2022 05:40:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I could drop the Alice guarantee.  Have you guys hunt up a fourth member if you miss a third one.
09-02-2022 05:40:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: And you could meet Alice.  I don't name most of the people you meet.
09-02-2022 05:41:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: but yeah, that's some understandable logic.
09-02-2022 05:45:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Act IV will probably be short compared to the other three.
09-02-2022 05:46:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: III could be quite long.
09-02-2022 05:48:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Yes.  IV is more of a climax.
09-02-2022 05:51:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: although there's post-game.
09-02-2022 06:01:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Had a rough war in DW.
09-02-2022 06:03:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Mm
09-02-2022 06:03:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Enemy had a lot more ships than anticipated.
09-02-2022 06:04:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: and I need to upgrade my starbases.
09-02-2022 06:04:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: they're a little too fragile.
09-02-2022 06:04:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: well, and weak.
09-02-2022 06:04:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: got out of it, but went 2-1 on terms of planets won.
09-02-2022 06:04:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I took two, they took one.
09-02-2022 06:07:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I also had to bribe a huge pirate faction with 60,000 a year to get them off my back.
09-02-2022 06:23:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Who's winning?
09-02-2022 06:30:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I am, but it's very much not a walkoer.
09-02-2022 06:37:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: oh, ended the war, actually.  Captured a mining base so I could sell it back for the peace treaty.
09-02-2022 06:38:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I'll be back at it soon, or fighitng the doom pirates.
09-02-2022 06:41:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: they still have three bases with 6000+ firepower in each.  I don't know if blowing those up is going to be possible at all.
09-02-2022 06:41:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: that's basically two fleets of 24 warships to equal offensive capability.
09-02-2022 06:49:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: And stronger defenses, I presume?
09-02-2022 06:49:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Very much so.
09-02-2022 06:49:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: mostly with the basic issue of 'you have to deal 11,000 damage to get through shields.'
09-02-2022 06:50:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: whereas the station might be able to one-shot attacking ships, reducing the firepower against it.
09-02-2022 06:50:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Is there subsystem damage?  Or does the station have full firepower until it blows up?
09-02-2022 06:52:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Some weapons can bypass certain types of defenses.
09-02-2022 06:52:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: gravity weapons ignore all defenses, for instance.
09-02-2022 06:52:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: But gravity weapons are weaker against large targets.
09-02-2022 06:57:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: It won't have full HP until it blows up, but it'll take system damage after shields and armour plating.
09-02-2022 06:59:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I don't know exactly how strong it is that way, but it probably has at least 2000 HP worth of armour, which takes about 5-6k damage to burn through, after the shields.  After that it's about 10 HP to break each component, which is probably another 3k.. which goes quickly.
09-02-2022 06:59:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: it's really rare to have a big station like that survive to taking component damage without being destroyed.
09-02-2022 07:02:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: So yeah, hugely advantaged versus a fleet
09-02-2022 07:02:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: well, fleets can run away.
09-02-2022 07:02:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: and if I built a fleet loaded with heavy ion cannons it'd get wrecked, thinking about it.
09-02-2022 07:03:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: those temporarily disable components, concentrating on engines.  On a station, they prioritize hitting reactors, but hit all powered components.
09-02-2022 07:04:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: it probably doesn't have more than thirty reactors, so if I build a fleet with sixty or so ion cannons, it might disable the station.
09-02-2022 07:05:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Trouble is if it's got fighter bays (which are unaffected), or concussion missiles (which are very energy-efficient).  Probably not much of the latter, but it should have plenty of the former.
09-02-2022 07:06:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Mmm, then the issue is if there's ships escorting it.  Which there probably will be, it's a pirate base, so there will be pirate ships.  But yeah, two ion cannon fleets could beat a base with strong weaponry like that.  I don't think the AI will build enough ion defenses into its stations to protect against that.
09-02-2022 07:06:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: it'll probably have one, but one won't do it.
09-02-2022 07:09:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: So... will you try and crack the pirates?
09-02-2022 07:10:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I'll stop paying them, and take out some of their ships, along with a bunch of their mining stations.
09-02-2022 07:10:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: but no, I won't crack that home system.
09-02-2022 07:10:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I have a spy with +50% sabotage.  I'll get him up one more level and then have him take coinflip odds at blowing one of them up.
09-02-2022 07:11:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I also need to decommission the repaired tech bonus ships I've found.  They're still better than what I can build, but they have design issues that make them bad fleet units.
09-02-2022 07:11:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: They use a hyperdrive with a max speed of 17.5k, when I use hyperdrives with a max speed of 30k.
09-02-2022 07:14:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Powerful but slow?
09-02-2022 07:18:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: Well, they're more powerful, but if the fleet moves at half speed to get anywhere...
09-02-2022 07:18:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: it's not that beneficial.
09-02-2022 07:18:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: What I need are my own fleet leaders, along with fleet targetting systems and countermeasures.
09-02-2022 07:41:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@wuzlyl-687-143-152-640.mycingular.net: Garrison ships, then?
09-02-2022 07:43:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: hmm?
09-02-2022 07:44:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: (I don't have the tech for fleet targetting systems or countermeasures.)
09-02-2022 07:44:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: They're cheap and easily available.
09-02-2022 07:46:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@vlen-7v7oi8oh7yf4vridea3i6e3b0.ipv0.telus.net: I'll pick them up after I unlock all the second-tier engines so my cashed-in ships count towards a better tech.
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