15-12-2021 00:53:57 -!- Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com has joined #einsteinianroulette 15-12-2021 00:54:54 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I return 15-12-2021 02:51:20 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: No sy huh 15-12-2021 03:11:05 -!- syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi has joined #einsteinianroulette 15-12-2021 03:11:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Piecewise, did you want me? 15-12-2021 03:11:53 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi yawns 15-12-2021 03:11:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: I usually don't come on here for a couple more hours, it's morning for me 15-12-2021 03:26:30 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: AH 15-12-2021 03:26:46 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Are you one of those people who don't get up at 3am? 15-12-2021 03:27:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: I get up at nine or ten PM. 15-12-2021 03:27:41 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Ah, vampire 15-12-2021 03:27:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Anyways, whatcha want? 15-12-2021 03:28:34 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Oh was just gonna run a modified RTD for COE by you 15-12-2021 03:29:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Coo 15-12-2021 03:29:17 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q53C1ilM2K8x_Gr-XRDD8zli6DElomsalY1yQgmS5ao/edit?usp=sharing 15-12-2021 03:29:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: I gotta leave for work in a half hour, but I'll happily look over it 15-12-2021 03:29:33 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Dice distribution 15-12-2021 03:30:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Well that looks kinda painful to run 15-12-2021 03:30:34 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Nah, its just RTD with a widening window 15-12-2021 03:30:49 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Same as Mook but a bit more balanced 15-12-2021 03:31:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: For d4, I like how MOOK has 4 turn into an overshot. Minor success often feels like "boring failure", which overshot is always exciting, success or fail. 15-12-2021 03:31:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Otherwise... hmm. I think I'd have more failure chance on the higher die sizes, to make them less safe, and maybe less minor successes. I have a general negative feeling towards them. 15-12-2021 03:32:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: ...Ah, no overshots? 15-12-2021 03:32:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Or is that "great" success? 15-12-2021 03:32:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: OHHH okay I'm dumb 15-12-2021 03:33:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Minor success is rtd 4 15-12-2021 03:33:43 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Yeah this is set up to be a bit less wacky than standard RTD 15-12-2021 03:34:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Seems reasonable to me? 15% chance of failure at max level is pretty reasonable, really. It's a LOT of steps to get there. 15-12-2021 03:35:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: It does feel overly safe... but it functionally gives diminishing returns, so someone has to *choose* to get to overly safe levels. 15-12-2021 03:35:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Would there be stuff you really *need* a great success for? 15-12-2021 03:36:06 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: If you're going up against great odds, yeah 15-12-2021 03:36:45 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I mean if you're wanting to punch the dragon, just succeeding won't do much 15-12-2021 03:37:58 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: The alternative is a DC to roll against 15-12-2021 03:38:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Seems sound then. Gives a reward for higher stat levels. 15-12-2021 03:38:59 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I'm combining this with a stat system and two "pools", HP and SP. Hp is HP, SP is used to fuel special stuff 15-12-2021 03:39:16 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: They're determined by combinations of stats 15-12-2021 03:39:49 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: and I have a set up for leveling up stats based on use instead of static level ups 15-12-2021 03:39:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: I miiiight suggest a higher rate of great success? Maybe 30 or 35% at D20? Mostly so the inevitable Egan punchgirl with d20 strength has good odds of succeeding with the crazy feats. But I dunno. I can see going in either direction. 15-12-2021 03:39:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Ohhhh 15-12-2021 03:40:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: That's interesting! 15-12-2021 03:40:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Hmm. 15-12-2021 03:40:46 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: The basic idea being that you record the results of every roll for a stat and once the total goes over a certain number you can level it up 15-12-2021 03:41:05 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: so good rolls are more "XP"while even bad ones give a bit. 15-12-2021 03:41:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: That sounds bookkeeping heavy 15-12-2021 03:41:40 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I just assumed players could keep a number next to their stats and add to it as they go 15-12-2021 03:41:56 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: but if that seems too annoying, I can think of other ways 15-12-2021 03:42:25 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I don't expect them to keep track of every roll, just the total over time. 15-12-2021 03:43:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Ehhhh, maybe? I wouldn't mind myself, but it'd A) require you to very clearly list stats used whenever they're used, because ambiguity, and B) would probably confuse some people and just plain get forgotten a lot. 15-12-2021 03:43:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: I tend to write posts hours or a day after I read the turn, because I always think awhile. And I don't edit my sheet until then. 15-12-2021 03:44:33 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Fair enough 15-12-2021 03:44:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Might work out, but yeah, I'd keep a backup system ready. :P 15-12-2021 03:45:04 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I would like to have a way to level up through use since the game won't have a standard "mission" structure 15-12-2021 03:45:37 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I suppose basic "XP" for actions or kills leading to level up works too 15-12-2021 03:45:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: It would reduce the stat focusing that's so common in Mook, which'd be nice. 15-12-2021 03:46:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Maybe try it, and if it's too complex, gradually simplify it over time, rather than abandoning the concept? 15-12-2021 03:48:10 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I'll leave it as is for the test and get feedback 15-12-2021 03:48:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Sounds good. 15-12-2021 03:48:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: I do like the idea. 15-12-2021 03:48:57 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: It works well with another aspect that I haven't talked about~ 15-12-2021 03:49:01 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: In my mind at least 15-12-2021 03:49:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Hehe, alright. 15-12-2021 03:49:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: I look forward to the test. ^-^ 15-12-2021 03:49:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Sounds like it'll be something very new and interesting, and that means it'll be fun to try and break~ 15-12-2021 03:50:05 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Alright, thats all, sorry for waking you up 15-12-2021 03:50:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: Nah, I was up. Just normally wouldn't be in here. No worries. 15-12-2021 03:51:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi: I'll be back in about an hour or so. 15-12-2021 03:56:08 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Alright 15-12-2021 03:56:26 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I go to bed about then so probably only be around for a bit 15-12-2021 03:56:35 -!- syv!GreatWyrmG@107.87.kmq.lhi has quit [Quit: FuckAT&T] 15-12-2021 04:01:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: oh there was sy. 15-12-2021 04:01:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also I'm socially anxious enough to shoot myself over that dumb PM. 15-12-2021 04:01:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: heya Piecewise. 15-12-2021 04:03:49 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Hello 15-12-2021 04:04:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: sorry for the dumb PM. 15-12-2021 04:05:13 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Nah, is fine 15-12-2021 04:05:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I do feel 8k for free is kinda wrong, but that's not the way to handle it. 15-12-2021 04:05:58 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: *shrug* I've always been bad at balance so its probably op 15-12-2021 04:07:07 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: This is why I'm considering an inheritance system and "Baseline" level in future games. Especially games not focused on characters being disposable 15-12-2021 04:07:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hmm 15-12-2021 04:07:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: nah, more important when characters are disposable. 15-12-2021 04:07:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: if they're not disposable, who cares about inheritance? 15-12-2021 04:09:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Baselines so people can join in later on is important either way, but keeping stuff.. 15-12-2021 04:09:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm. 15-12-2021 04:10:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: then again, if you keep your stuff after dying, you no longer have a game with disposable stuff. 15-12-2021 04:10:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: VR system is 50 omni, right? 15-12-2021 04:11:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Hmm, I know.. 15-12-2021 04:11:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you could embrace disposability all the way. 15-12-2021 04:11:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Your body and gear set is all disposable, and only lasts the one mission. 15-12-2021 04:11:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: You get a budget for each mission, which is spend it or waste it. 15-12-2021 04:11:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but that's per player, so each player buys their character next round. 15-12-2021 04:13:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: maybe you 'level up', and get like a 100 buck budget increase, say from 1500 to 1600 and then on. 15-12-2021 04:13:47 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Or we go the MO way where its RTD forever with no levels 15-12-2021 04:13:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: That way things won't escalate beyond your limits. 15-12-2021 04:13:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, that's another option. 15-12-2021 04:14:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I mean, I think the only character where I really tried to get strong was Saeko. 15-12-2021 04:14:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Dunno if people will go for that, though. 15-12-2021 04:14:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Probably. 15-12-2021 04:16:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also, I don't know if I ever told you why I have issues trusting GMs, Piecewise. 15-12-2021 04:16:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: did I ever tell you about the browser-based space game I used to play? 15-12-2021 04:18:50 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Nope 15-12-2021 04:20:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Ahh well.. 15-12-2021 04:21:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it turned out the other group we were in a PvP war against was secretly GM-backed. 15-12-2021 04:21:24 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Did some jerk keep you in prison for real life years? 15-12-2021 04:21:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: having them read your private messages and tip off your opponents when you're attacking was pretty big. 15-12-2021 04:21:54 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: yeah, thats shitty 15-12-2021 04:22:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: (That was me, PW. I know you would have let me out had I asked for it.) 15-12-2021 04:22:18 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Yeah I'm joking around 15-12-2021 04:22:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also, they bodged up a hack on their defensive structures to remove the cost for repairing it, making it nigh-invincible until we killed all their ships first. 15-12-2021 04:22:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: when the building blew anyway, something like 40 people had their ships stuck in limbo until it was fixed. 15-12-2021 04:23:11 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: huh 15-12-2021 04:23:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..after they fixed it, they had one of their secret accounts kill all the attackers who were stuck on that square, so they had to pay the death penalty. 15-12-2021 04:23:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: They were pretty damn shitty. 15-12-2021 04:23:46 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: sounds like it 15-12-2021 04:24:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, they ended up banning the lot of us during the next time we went to war. 15-12-2021 04:24:07 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: sounds like a very us vs them mentality they head 15-12-2021 04:24:09 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: had 15-12-2021 04:24:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: seemed they were backing those guys too. 15-12-2021 04:24:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah. 15-12-2021 04:24:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: turned out the recently-buffed building defenses weren't to be used to lock their buddies out of most of space. 15-12-2021 04:25:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so they banned the guy owning those structures, which removed them. Supposedly for badmouthing them in chat. Guy was polish, and didn't use chat because he barely could type english. 15-12-2021 04:26:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, within 24 hours we had them back up with a different person, so they banned our entire alliance for causing too much trouble. Except not even our entire alliance.. just about 75% of it, everyone who owned a structure in what was basically our base. 15-12-2021 04:26:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I mean, it was just stupid stuff from them. 15-12-2021 04:26:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: they didn't like what we were doing to their game. 15-12-2021 04:27:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..which was particularly odd because what we were doing was saying stuff like 'no internal blockades, they just screw over newbies' 15-12-2021 04:27:36 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I suppose, but there are better ways to handle that. And playing favorites with players is shitty 15-12-2021 04:27:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah. 15-12-2021 04:27:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I mean.. it was beta, and the whole game was going to be relaunched at some point in the future. 15-12-2021 04:28:05 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Its possible they weren't aware of their bias 15-12-2021 04:28:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I mean.. maybe? 15-12-2021 04:28:30 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Well. maybe not fully 15-12-2021 04:28:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but it's pretty damn clear when you rewrite the map so the guys you backed in the last war picked a much more viable sector to set up their new base in.. 15-12-2021 04:29:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but yeah, most of the stuff nobody cared about. It was an experimental game, and stuff was going to happen. 15-12-2021 04:29:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: even things like buffing a side or handing out bonuses to encourage behavior you want to test, we could live with. 15-12-2021 04:30:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It's that they lied about it and were so dumb about it. 15-12-2021 04:31:04 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Yeah 15-12-2021 04:31:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I mean.. they didn't even have to do stuff like read messages. Could have done things like "Hey, chatter is you're going to make a big attack. Can you let us know when it is so we can watch it go down?" 15-12-2021 04:31:26 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Well, at the very least my games are PVE so I can't be giving away your plans to myself 15-12-2021 04:32:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah I mean.. 15-12-2021 04:32:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you're betten than they were. 15-12-2021 04:33:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but I think I'll always have one eye on the GMs. 15-12-2021 04:33:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: even when they deserve my trust. 15-12-2021 04:34:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ugh, I also forgot about how they would introduce new monsters only as far away from where we were set up as possible, to force our fighters to travel days away from our base to be able to continue working on their skills. 15-12-2021 04:35:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that might have been by accident, but ugh, I'll never know.. 15-12-2021 04:36:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, enough about them. 15-12-2021 04:38:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: oh, VR systems are only 15. 15-12-2021 04:58:20 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Omni Quest 6 now only 15 Omni 15-12-2021 04:59:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: as much as the system, eh? 15-12-2021 05:00:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Is it suitable to be hacked into like a robot interface? Like if you get an extra antenna and get someone to program the software? 15-12-2021 05:00:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I figure a VR interface would be good for using a scout. 15-12-2021 05:01:18 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Yeah, that could work 15-12-2021 05:01:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: aight. don't think I'll do that now, d4 tech shouldn't work, but maybe I can speechify someone into setting that up. 15-12-2021 05:01:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: or speechify to find someone to program that. 15-12-2021 05:03:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'll just buy the parts and look around. 15-12-2021 05:05:58 -!- syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com has joined #einsteinianroulette 15-12-2021 05:06:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hey syv. 15-12-2021 05:06:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: hey dev. 15-12-2021 05:06:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Whatever happened to "heya"? 15-12-2021 05:06:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: congrats on the level 16 body. 15-12-2021 05:07:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Level 16? 15-12-2021 05:08:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...holy shit 15-12-2021 05:08:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah, mook updated and you get a free body with 16 upgrades. ;-p 15-12-2021 05:09:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yeah, I just saw. 15-12-2021 05:09:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That's... 15-12-2021 05:09:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That's quite something, yeah. 15-12-2021 05:09:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Didn't get a description for its appearance though, just some clone 15-12-2021 05:10:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, well.. that's how these things go. 15-12-2021 05:10:51 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: What ever you do make sure not t- 15-12-2021 05:11:03 -!- Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15-12-2021 05:11:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ugh, gotta be hard on PW. 15-12-2021 05:11:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but gah, the man can not balance stuff. 15-12-2021 05:11:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: heh 15-12-2021 05:11:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: be a vet = get showered with huge quantities of free shit. 15-12-2021 05:15:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ehhh, not quite. Try things, get things. 15-12-2021 05:15:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Vets have more freedom to try things, and fewer reasons not to. 15-12-2021 05:16:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: This body, amusingly, also negates my OP promotion to a degree. 15-12-2021 05:16:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: no, not really. 15-12-2021 05:17:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I can't use a revive unless I die. Dying with this body loses it. 15-12-2021 05:17:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it's something that's utterly impossible for anyone else to try. 15-12-2021 05:17:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you can also store it for 1k and never have to make that roll again. 15-12-2021 05:17:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: True. I don't think I will. 15-12-2021 05:17:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: what is unfair is to call it level 16 when you can buy straight d8 robobodies. 15-12-2021 05:17:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so it's basically 'one free d8 robobody' 15-12-2021 05:17:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: besides, revives are only 300 bucks each. 15-12-2021 05:18:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: dirt cheap. 15-12-2021 05:21:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's *definitely* better than a d8 robobody 15-12-2021 05:21:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I guess it can bleed, which is a demerit, but having a d12 is significant 15-12-2021 05:21:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And revives being cheap just makes my promotion sound less OP :v 15-12-2021 05:21:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "+300 pay on any mission where I die" 15-12-2021 05:23:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah. 15-12-2021 05:23:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I don't even think you guys actually pay the 300! 15-12-2021 05:24:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Mm? 15-12-2021 05:24:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ie, you buy the 300, and don't rebuy it after death. 15-12-2021 05:24:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I mean, I have done so every death. 15-12-2021 05:24:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I'd consider that cheating, and yeah, people can cheat. 15-12-2021 05:27:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah. 15-12-2021 05:27:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway.. 15-12-2021 05:27:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: what I'm gonna use speech for is stuff like what you did that turn. 15-12-2021 05:27:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: find the places, develop the contacts, talk people into doing things. 15-12-2021 05:27:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: to give me access to the stuff that you normally have to be a vet to get to do for free. 15-12-2021 05:28:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the downside is I'll have to do it before I need it. 15-12-2021 05:28:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, it isn't fatal, I just... 15-12-2021 05:28:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I really don't feel good doing stuff like that unless I've done groundwork first. 15-12-2021 05:29:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "give me an auditor body" 15-12-2021 05:29:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "okay" 15-12-2021 05:29:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "god damn it fuck you 15-12-2021 05:29:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ;P 15-12-2021 05:30:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you sure he wouldn't do that? ;-p 15-12-2021 05:30:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, it's just higher stakes. 15-12-2021 05:30:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: he gave me squirrelbots at about 1/4 the price I was expecting. 15-12-2021 05:34:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: The pipe cleaner bots? 15-12-2021 05:34:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah. 15-12-2021 05:34:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Good luck killing anything with those 15-12-2021 05:35:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: From the description is sounds like a flesh and blood squirrel would have good odds of winning a fight 15-12-2021 05:39:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I won't be killing anything with it. 15-12-2021 05:40:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I will be buying a can of paint and blinding something with it. 15-12-2021 05:43:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: (but probably not) 15-12-2021 05:43:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: no, I don't think I need to worry about killing anything. 15-12-2021 05:44:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the game's full of people with too many guns and too many stats to worry about that. 15-12-2021 05:45:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yeah, absolutely. I just thought the knifesquirrel plan was about murder. 15-12-2021 05:46:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: If it's about utility,6 15-12-2021 05:46:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Then that's great 15-12-2021 05:46:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Posted in Mook. ;P 15-12-2021 05:46:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: what I'm also going to do is to put a set of stats out to establish a framework for producing small robot creatures. 15-12-2021 05:47:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..which will also prevent anyone else from abusing them. ;-p 15-12-2021 05:47:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and knifesquirrel plan can totally murder. 15-12-2021 05:47:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: get someone to program in like d8 melee. 15-12-2021 05:47:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: allow them to pool their damage die into one big number. 15-12-2021 05:47:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hit someone with 24d2 damage. 15-12-2021 05:48:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That would be exploiting Dubs, IMO 15-12-2021 05:48:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, well.. everyone does it. 15-12-2021 05:48:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so I want to do it to shiv someone with a rabbit. 15-12-2021 05:50:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: No, I mean, that's exploiting his weaknesses in the same way classic Tinker did. 15-12-2021 05:50:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, well.. everyone does it. 15-12-2021 05:50:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: (sorry) 15-12-2021 05:50:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So far in Mook people have been conteny exploiting what he put in the armory of his own accord, as well as asking for stuff. 15-12-2021 05:51:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but nah, I don't mean to make it a side thing. I have to do everything between missions, so I get like two turns to do stuff a round. 15-12-2021 05:51:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so I have to be efficient, compact, and limited. 15-12-2021 05:51:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hehe 15-12-2021 05:53:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also.. 15-12-2021 05:53:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: 'people just ask for stuff' is basically what I'm doing. 15-12-2021 05:54:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I just want to write rules for PW, so I can have a bunch of fun robot animals that he doesn't need to worry about balancing. 15-12-2021 05:55:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also.. I've never actually done tinker. 15-12-2021 05:55:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Specifically, I was referring to the suggestion of using a d12 skill to turn a 25 cost item into a d8 weapon, and then trying to break the system by merging dice. 15-12-2021 05:55:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so it'll be a new experience for you too. 15-12-2021 05:56:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: 24d2 would be *by far* the most powerful weapon in the game. 15-12-2021 05:56:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it's about 2d12. 15-12-2021 05:56:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and it wouldn't be a 25 cost item. 15-12-2021 05:57:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Uh 15-12-2021 05:57:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: 24d2 is *not* 2d12 15-12-2021 05:57:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: no. 15-12-2021 05:58:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Okay. 15-12-2021 05:58:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: lets caculate it out. 15-12-2021 05:58:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Very simply, 24d2 has a minimum roll of 24. 15-12-2021 05:58:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: how much would 24d12 cost, if PW allows it, and if I get the 3 missions or so requied to make it. 15-12-2021 05:58:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: The best gun in the game was like 13 15-12-2021 05:59:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: first off, it isn't autohit. 15-12-2021 05:59:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Average 15-12-2021 05:59:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it's 1d8 each die. 15-12-2021 05:59:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that's what, 60% hits? 15-12-2021 06:00:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That's not how this system works, Dev. 15-12-2021 06:00:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: 24d2 != 24 1d2 attacks 15-12-2021 06:00:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Oh, I know that. 15-12-2021 06:01:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but it's completely useless if I can't add dice with this method. If it'd be broken, lets assume that can be done first, because otherwise it simply cannot be done.. and thus cannot be broken. 15-12-2021 06:02:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Setting up something that lets you roll multiple attacks isn't unreasonable. 15-12-2021 06:02:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: If that's your goal you should state that. Since "XdY" already has a meaning in this system, you can't use it to describe multiple attacks. 15-12-2021 06:04:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Also, something can be impossible, but still be accurately described as something that "would be broken". 15-12-2021 06:04:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: That could be the case. 15-12-2021 06:04:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..except I don't think so, actually. 15-12-2021 06:05:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Would Trence's dragonbreath be broken if it could be used at any time with element selection chosen on cast, cost zero MP, was not tiring, and did double its current damage? Without Willis or Sessha or Alice being any stronger than normal? 15-12-2021 06:06:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Mmm. 15-12-2021 06:06:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it'd be up there. 15-12-2021 06:06:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hehe 15-12-2021 06:06:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but nah, it would change the nature of the game, but it's workable. 15-12-2021 06:06:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: really though, can you let me describe why it isn't that easy, syv? 15-12-2021 06:06:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: give me a minues. 15-12-2021 06:07:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ahh, sorry 15-12-2021 06:07:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Go ahead 15-12-2021 06:07:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: First off, the most powerful weapons are explosives. 15-12-2021 06:07:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Demo packs are 3d10, and there's absolutely no reason you couldn't put one on a spiderbot and ram something. 15-12-2021 06:07:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so that's 900 to do one shot of 3d10. 15-12-2021 06:08:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: assuming a pretty expensive spiderbot. You can get cheaper robots. 15-12-2021 06:08:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ehhhhh 15-12-2021 06:09:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and it's fair, because I'm describing a situation where I'm attacking things with robots in melee. 15-12-2021 06:09:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so I'm comparing it to a situation where I'm attacking things in melee with robots. 15-12-2021 06:09:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I don't believe Dubs has specified what the demo pack is, but I took it as being a satchel charge. 15-12-2021 06:10:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So a spiderbot presumably would be too weak to carry it. A 300 cost basic slavebot could, though. 15-12-2021 06:10:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: fair enough. 15-12-2021 06:10:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: which makes it 600. 15-12-2021 06:10:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: either do two of those or put two charges on one robot, costing 900 or 1200 for two shots of 3d10 damage. 15-12-2021 06:11:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I know that's not 24d2 damage (which is better), but it's within shouting range. 15-12-2021 06:12:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ahahahaha, wow, I'm reading about a type of US military satchel charge 15-12-2021 06:12:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It's also one shot, but so are the squirrels, with critfails and overshoots likely leading to them stabbing each other. 15-12-2021 06:12:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, cost of the squirrel. 15-12-2021 06:12:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: 25 each isn't enough. PW said they aren't smart, so I'm going to assume they need to be upgraded to be able to use any kind of skill software. 15-12-2021 06:12:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: One of the "limitations" this (unofficial) websit lists is "Composition C4 explosives are poisonous and dangerous if chewed or ingested" 15-12-2021 06:13:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ideally you want your high explosives to be biologically inert, so you can issue them to the marines, I guess. 15-12-2021 06:14:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: secondly, they're slow, so are going to need upgrading again to be suitable for this sort of thing physically. 15-12-2021 06:14:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Thirdly, they don't have shivs built into them. 15-12-2021 06:14:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so that's a minimum of three upgrades. Assuming 25 each, that brings the price up to 100. 15-12-2021 06:14:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Also, no, 24d2 is still not within shouting distance 15-12-2021 06:14:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: 3d10 x2 isn't within shouting distance of 24d2? 15-12-2021 06:14:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Average damage of 3d10 is 16.5. Average damage of 24d2 is 36. 15-12-2021 06:15:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: 3d10 is closer to zero damage than to 24d2. 15-12-2021 06:15:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: in order to land about 24 hits, I need like 30+ squirrels, costing over three grand. 15-12-2021 06:15:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so even if their damage stacked, they're too costly to be any kind of efficient. 15-12-2021 06:15:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Okay, again, the system has a meaning for XdY 15-12-2021 06:16:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I know. 15-12-2021 06:16:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And no, damage doesn't stack, anyway 15-12-2021 06:16:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: shut the hell up about it, because I'm not going to actually do it! I'm just trying to give an example of why it's not undercosted. 15-12-2021 06:17:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: 100 1d2 attacks would, by RAW, be unable to scratch a 2d4 armor enemy. That's not how Dubs would process it, but it's how the system says it works. 15-12-2021 06:17:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Aaaaa 15-12-2021 06:17:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Fine 15-12-2021 06:18:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I might do one or two, and I might get a ruling that adding another robot adds like +1 damage, which could be broken if I could get several dozen together.. 15-12-2021 06:18:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but even if I had it stacked, it'd still be a really inefficient way to attack people with robots. 15-12-2021 06:20:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and since I'm not going to have an avatar suit, carrying 30 robots onto a mission isn't going to happen, even if there's no encumbrance limits. 15-12-2021 06:21:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'm annoyed about this, because what I want to do this turn is write rules preventing me from being able to abuse cheap small robots. 15-12-2021 06:28:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I find your struggle with this amusing 15-12-2021 06:29:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: If PW gives me something it'll be broken to hell and massively undercosted, assuming he doesn't just give me a high-level body for free or a free 8k avatar suit. So I have to write my own damn rules to keep PW from giving me stuff that would remove any thought to my character build. 15-12-2021 06:30:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I think that last message is incomplete; there's plenty of rules that could prevent you from being able to abuse cheap small robots. Including what you said immediately prior. 15-12-2021 06:30:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: You also want something that's fun and useful. 15-12-2021 06:30:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yes. 15-12-2021 06:30:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hence 'cheap small robots' 15-12-2021 06:30:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And that's the hard part. 15-12-2021 06:30:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's not that Dubs *only* gives overpowered ridiculous boons that are way too good 15-12-2021 06:31:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's that he gives senselessly variable stuff, from ridiculously OP god items, to useless pieces of crap that do nothing or kill you 15-12-2021 06:31:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So you want to munchkin enough to escape the latter, while *also* limiting yourself to avoid the former. 15-12-2021 06:34:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: while providing it in a framework PW can understand and simplifying it enough to not be a burden, and making sure it's unattractive enough nobody else will try to deal with it. 15-12-2021 06:35:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Congratualtions, Dev 15-12-2021 06:35:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: You figured out how to give yourself a truly difficult challenge in a PW game 15-12-2021 06:36:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I look forward to you being upset about solving it flawlessly before your first mission~ 15-12-2021 06:40:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It's easier than I'm suggesting. 15-12-2021 06:42:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Mayhaps, but it's also Dubs you're dealing with. 15-12-2021 06:42:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yuppers. 15-12-2021 06:46:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: posted. 15-12-2021 06:47:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: taking a break, but I'll do Quest tonight. 15-12-2021 06:47:10 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com checks Extinction, then realizes he's an idiot 15-12-2021 06:47:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yes, Mook, of course 15-12-2021 06:47:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: No suggestions for Wil's body? 15-12-2021 06:50:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Sorry. 15-12-2021 06:51:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hmm. 15-12-2021 06:58:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: extinction's tomorrow. 15-12-2021 08:01:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm. 15-12-2021 08:01:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Does Xin have any tracking skills? 15-12-2021 08:05:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: don't think so. That's base. 15-12-2021 08:05:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: `roll 1d12 15-12-2021 08:05:32 < GameServ!gameserv@services.darkmyst.org: Devastator rolled 1d12: 12 15-12-2021 08:05:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: welp. 15-12-2021 08:14:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and Quest updated. 15-12-2021 08:17:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yeah, he wouldn't. Maybe tracking death, at most. 15-12-2021 08:21:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hmm. 15-12-2021 08:22:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Is Xin at a higher elevation than the wounded car? 15-12-2021 08:23:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: About the same. 15-12-2021 08:23:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: The car also seems pretty close. 15-12-2021 08:24:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: oh, you can have some of the stuff from the stuff list. 15-12-2021 08:24:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: lemme get that again. 15-12-2021 08:25:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Three pack wolves 15-12-2021 08:25:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: 49 gold 15-12-2021 08:25:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: 2 gemstones 15-12-2021 08:25:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Spare vanilla longsword 15-12-2021 08:25:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: One good quality suit of Vertical Wolf plate armour. 15-12-2021 08:25:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Four large canisters of petrol ~20 gal. 15-12-2021 08:25:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: One tube of firestarter 15-12-2021 08:25:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: One can of spray lubricant. 15-12-2021 08:25:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: White Powder 15-12-2021 08:25:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Bag of Herbs 15-12-2021 08:25:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Magic Dagger 15-12-2021 08:25:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ruby Wolf's Head totem, uncharged 15-12-2021 08:25:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: no wolves down here, and probably not the armour. You have gas, but that's in addition to the ones listed. 15-12-2021 08:26:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Sent 15-12-2021 08:26:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Need to charge that totem up. 15-12-2021 08:27:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It'd be funny to turn a car into a wolf. 15-12-2021 08:29:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Going to be funny when you're far enough away from the Land of the Wolf that nobody knows what wolves are. 15-12-2021 08:29:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: do note that by 'wounded creature' I'm assuming you mean the one you haven't seen. The one at the bottom of the shaft is quite dead. 15-12-2021 08:29:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "This item turns you into Rolla" 15-12-2021 08:30:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Though, really, I'd expect that to take quite awhile. 15-12-2021 08:30:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: man, you don't even know what the other stuff is. ;-p 15-12-2021 08:30:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...Oh 15-12-2021 08:30:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah, you need to charge it first, and you don't really know when it's done. 15-12-2021 08:30:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you do know it charges when stuff dies near it. 15-12-2021 08:30:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Okay, I significantly misunderstood the creature situatiom/ 15-12-2021 08:30:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so it seems likely to get charged eventually. 15-12-2021 08:30:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah. 15-12-2021 08:31:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: one creature is at the bottom of the shaft. It's dead, pieces are broken off. 15-12-2021 08:31:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Another creature survived, but apparently left at some point, presumably looking for a way out. 15-12-2021 08:31:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It seems that the totem has an actual *activation* that triggers the transformation? Like, it doesn't just suddenly go off once you've killed enough things. 15-12-2021 08:31:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, calling out to the active car is pretty reasonable, as is retreating to the shaft. 15-12-2021 08:32:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, but you know it isn't charged at this time. 15-12-2021 08:32:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'll keep track of the amount of deads that went into it, and you can decide to try and use it whenever. 15-12-2021 09:52:17 -!- Devastator_!chatzilla@jssu-7j7qr8bh2dp9oxvnxjg5r2tcm.ipv0.telus.net has joined #einsteinianroulette 15-12-2021 09:54:32 -!- Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15-12-2021 09:54:45 -!- Devastator_ is now known as Devastator 15-12-2021 12:32:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I have a vauge low level fear that I am actually Aigreing with this system, and if a good munchkin looked at it they would quickly figure out a jeepswarm-tier tactic 15-12-2021 12:37:43 -!- syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com has quit [Quit: FuckAT&T] 15-12-2021 12:43:19 -!- ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com has joined #einsteinianroulette 15-12-2021 15:22:45 -!- Stopped log service 15-12-2021 15:23:15 -!- Started log service 15-12-2021 15:23:29 -!- parisbre56[Away]!parisbre56@wkm145269192513.access.hol.gr has joined #einsteinianroulette 15-12-2021 15:23:29 -!- Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Fleshorrors dream of feline BASS 15-12-2021 15:23:29 -!- Topic set by syv [Saturday 22 May 2021, 04:44:55] 15-12-2021 21:13:53 -!- Piecewise!Mibbit@204.115.ztu.hxu has joined #einsteinianroulette 15-12-2021 21:33:34 -!- Piecewise!Mibbit@204.115.ztu.hxu has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15-12-2021 23:13:14 -!- ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]