12-12-2021 00:41:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Hello.
12-12-2021 00:41:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ER and syv are usually on in the evenings.
12-12-2021 01:45:36 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Yeah I'm just sticking around in case of question or goings on
12-12-2021 01:46:16 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: You got corona yet by the way? I got it like 3 weeks ago
12-12-2021 01:46:38 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: My sister has it now. Her husband had it months ago
12-12-2021 01:47:01 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: seems like everyone will have it eventually, vaccine or not
12-12-2021 01:47:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I got my shot.
12-12-2021 01:47:21 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Me too
12-12-2021 01:47:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: my brother got it, he didn't get vaccinated.
12-12-2021 01:47:23 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: and a booster
12-12-2021 01:47:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: lied to me about it.
12-12-2021 01:47:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: exposed me to it for a week.
12-12-2021 01:47:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: never got it, never tested positive.
12-12-2021 01:47:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so..
12-12-2021 01:48:01 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I'd say chances are you had it but it never took hold
12-12-2021 01:48:16 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: which is good. Extra immunity, no issues
12-12-2021 01:48:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'm not sure you could say that, not much of a margin.
12-12-2021 01:49:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I got tested, right when I should have gotten it.
12-12-2021 01:49:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I suppose they can do antigen tests.
12-12-2021 01:49:28 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Sure but false negatives do happen
12-12-2021 01:49:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, but two?
12-12-2021 01:50:32 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Not impossible, depending on the test.  And also depends on viral load. If you  had a really transitory case because of the vaccine it wouldn't show up because you wouldn't have much in your body
12-12-2021 01:50:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, I mean..
12-12-2021 01:50:46 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Tests have different sensitivities 
12-12-2021 01:51:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Maybe it just never took hold in the first place.
12-12-2021 01:51:11 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Thats what I'd assume
12-12-2021 01:51:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.
12-12-2021 01:51:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, it was pretty bad for them.  Sister in law needed hospitalization.
12-12-2021 01:51:54 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Manage to get through it?
12-12-2021 01:52:06 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: hopefully no side effects?
12-12-2021 01:52:11 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: long term at least
12-12-2021 01:52:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.  She had some coughs for months, but it finished up about now.
12-12-2021 01:52:26 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Thats good at least
12-12-2021 01:52:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.  She coulda died.
12-12-2021 01:53:01 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Good news is still no confirmed fatalities for Omnicron so hopefully we're seeing it get less lethal and more transmissible. Eventually become just another cold
12-12-2021 01:53:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: fucking jackasses convinced my brother getting the shot can get other people sick.
12-12-2021 01:53:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Actually, the data looks like it's less transmissable than Delta.
12-12-2021 01:53:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but it does a better job of reinfecting you.
12-12-2021 01:53:34 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Huh. Well as long as its less lethal
12-12-2021 01:53:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Dunno about how bad it is for a bit yet, need more weeks.
12-12-2021 01:53:50 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Yeah, have to see
12-12-2021 01:53:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: That's the one I'm not sure about.. everyone says that, but it takes a long time to kill people.
12-12-2021 01:54:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: need more time there.
12-12-2021 01:54:11 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Well, sometimes. Remember some covid deaths go pretty fast
12-12-2021 01:54:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.
12-12-2021 01:54:26 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Had a receptionist at the office whose husband died in like 3 days
12-12-2021 01:54:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: A few people don't even know they've got it, right?
12-12-2021 01:54:56 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: The number of asymptomatic cases is very hard to guess
12-12-2021 01:55:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I meant 'and they died from it'
12-12-2021 01:55:11 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Ah
12-12-2021 01:55:20 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Well if its goes real fast probably not
12-12-2021 01:55:38 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: will just look like rapid onset pneumonia and then organ failure
12-12-2021 01:56:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Anyway, it looks like we made it through up here.  Never got out of control until we had the vaccinations, and Delta didn't get up here until most people had shots.
12-12-2021 01:56:24 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: thats good. 
12-12-2021 01:56:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: there's some bad outbreaks, but they're concentrated where fewer people have them..
12-12-2021 01:57:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but even there, you look at the numbers and it's like 40 hospitalizations per 100k or so, even at the worst.
12-12-2021 01:57:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: which isn't good, but it could be worse.
12-12-2021 01:57:23 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: yeah. 
12-12-2021 01:57:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: do note that's the locations where it's worst.
12-12-2021 01:57:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: where it's best it got to like 12.
12-12-2021 01:58:20 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I tell ya, trying to look into the numbers for this are a nightmare. I was checking data between a few locations and getting discrepancies in 3 orders of magnitude. 
12-12-2021 01:58:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but yeah, I do hope the new one is mild.
12-12-2021 01:58:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: oh god yes.
12-12-2021 01:59:03 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: covid is between 3% and .001% lethal. You know. Somewhere in there
12-12-2021 02:00:07 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Got plans for christmas? 
12-12-2021 02:00:13 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I'm finally going back home
12-12-2021 02:00:21 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Done with my year here
12-12-2021 02:00:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: pfft.
12-12-2021 02:01:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It's killed more people than .001% of the population.  ;-p
12-12-2021 02:01:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but nah, no special plans.
12-12-2021 02:02:19 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: The .001 comes from data out of Wisconsin 
12-12-2021 02:02:21 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: https://www.wbay.com/2021/08/19/covid-19-wisconsin-dhs-compares-vaccinated-unvaccinated-case-numbers/
12-12-2021 02:03:17 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: US data puts it at 1.5%
12-12-2021 02:03:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: "For the month of July only"
12-12-2021 02:04:31 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Yeah, but for a ratio of cases to deaths thats fine
12-12-2021 02:04:50 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: though it could be a good month for them
12-12-2021 02:05:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Could be.
12-12-2021 02:05:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: still, though.. .001% is one death per 100k cases.
12-12-2021 02:05:39 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: yep
12-12-2021 02:05:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that shows 1.2 deaths per514 cases.
12-12-2021 02:06:36 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Where are you seeing that?
12-12-2021 02:06:40 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Thats not what the chart shows
12-12-2021 02:06:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah it is.
12-12-2021 02:06:48 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: That chart shows cases per 100,000
12-12-2021 02:06:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yes.
12-12-2021 02:06:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and deaths per 100k.
12-12-2021 02:07:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: not deaths per 100k cases.
12-12-2021 02:07:27 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: ah I see what you mean
12-12-2021 02:07:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.
12-12-2021 02:08:08 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Still puts it at what...0.2%
12-12-2021 02:08:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.  That seems.. low.
12-12-2021 02:10:47 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Vaccine effectiveness is something hard to pin down too. Its decreasing effectiveness with time and variants doesn't help
12-12-2021 02:11:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Dunno.
12-12-2021 02:11:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Here's the data for BC.
12-12-2021 02:11:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/Week_47_2021_BC_COVID-19_Situation_Report.pdf
12-12-2021 02:12:28 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Do they have per capita vaccinated vs unvaccinated rates of hospitalizations, cases, etc?
12-12-2021 02:12:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: figure 7 has that.
12-12-2021 02:14:42 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: See the Wisconsin data puts it at about 66% effective to prevent illness, 91% for preventing death, compared to unvaxxed while that data seems to show a much greater capacity to prevent illness. 
12-12-2021 02:15:08 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: They giving you the good stuff up there?
12-12-2021 02:15:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I got moderna twice.
12-12-2021 02:15:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: although I think it's about 60% pfitzer.
12-12-2021 02:15:44 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I got JnJ (Felt terrible after) so got Moderna booster
12-12-2021 02:16:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: oh, ouch.
12-12-2021 02:16:42 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Yeah, felt like I had a kidney infection. Which is not great when you only have one kidney, lemme tell ya
12-12-2021 02:17:02 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Still, when I got covid it was so mild that I thought it was just a cold
12-12-2021 02:17:12 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: no fever, no loss of taste or smell
12-12-2021 02:17:19 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: just a cough and congestion 
12-12-2021 02:17:29 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I only took the test to rule it out
12-12-2021 02:17:53 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: So guess its working
12-12-2021 02:18:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm.
12-12-2021 02:18:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but nah, they do work.
12-12-2021 02:18:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you see that big near-zero period of cases.
12-12-2021 02:18:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ?
12-12-2021 02:19:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the peak before that was in mid-april 2021, and we didn't have enough vaccines then.
12-12-2021 02:19:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the supply opened up in May and everyone could get them.
12-12-2021 02:19:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it then dropped like a stone until Delta showed up.
12-12-2021 02:20:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/
12-12-2021 02:20:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: check 'cases and testing, panel view' on that.
12-12-2021 02:20:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it'll show the health authorities.
12-12-2021 02:20:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: guess which regions have low vaccination rates?
12-12-2021 02:24:51 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Numbers look pretty low to start with. BC have a small population?
12-12-2021 02:25:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It's about six million people.
12-12-2021 02:25:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and I think that last graph is a rate stat.
12-12-2021 02:27:22 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: They rolling out boosters yet?
12-12-2021 02:27:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, but only to the elderly at this time.
12-12-2021 02:28:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I think the current cutoff is 70+
12-12-2021 02:30:11 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: A good plan
12-12-2021 02:30:21 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Focusing on those who need it most 
12-12-2021 02:30:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Well, the elderly also got most of their shots first.
12-12-2021 02:30:35 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Here I think they just kind of have it available to whoever gets in first 
12-12-2021 02:31:08 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Walgreens is doing some stupid thing of requiring an appointment and only doing half hour slots
12-12-2021 02:31:20 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: vaccinate a whole 20 people a day per store WOW
12-12-2021 02:31:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Heh, we had to do appointments to get our first shots.
12-12-2021 02:31:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: You had to sign up on their webpage and get called back with a list of options.
12-12-2021 02:31:50 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I just went to the grocery store. They crank you through there real fast. 
12-12-2021 02:32:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, we couldn't get much of a supply until mid-may.
12-12-2021 02:32:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: got my callback and the person asked if I could travel to a nearby city, where they had about a dozen people get it at once in a senior center.  Groups every fifteen minutes.
12-12-2021 02:33:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Second shot I could get in the civic centre, and it was basically the same thing, just fifty people.
12-12-2021 02:33:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Not long after that they just do walk-ins, so we had enough vaccine at that point.
12-12-2021 02:34:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: They also had a few rolling clinics and what not because there's some pretty remote areas.
12-12-2021 02:35:12 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Hopefully this can all be over before our....3rd booster
12-12-2021 02:35:25 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: BTW, you guys watching any anime?
12-12-2021 02:35:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: we watched RE: Zero not too long ago.
12-12-2021 02:37:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: last coupe things we watched were Back to the Future and Men in Black.
12-12-2021 02:37:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Syv wants the new season of PMMM, and I think we'll watch that ASAP.
12-12-2021 02:40:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: We tried watching Angel beats, but the first episode wasn't much good.  Might watch it some myself to see if it's any good.
12-12-2021 02:42:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and as for boosters, eh.  Some stuff you need boosters to beat.
12-12-2021 02:43:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: They'll probably just change the vaccine at some point, if a strain is particularly bad.
12-12-2021 02:44:07 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I'm hoping the disease becomes weak enough we can treat it like we do the flu vaccine. 
12-12-2021 02:44:22 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Ie, only if you actually really need it
12-12-2021 02:44:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'd rather just beat it.
12-12-2021 02:45:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I mean.. last summer up here we did, and it was great.
12-12-2021 02:45:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: three months with nothing to worry about.
12-12-2021 02:45:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: then Delta came, and well.. looks like we'll beat that too.
12-12-2021 02:45:41 < * Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net shrugs
12-12-2021 02:45:52 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Ya don't beat corona viruses
12-12-2021 02:46:00 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: You hope they become less of a problem
12-12-2021 02:46:08 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Plague of Justinian is still with us
12-12-2021 02:46:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: some of them we beat by making treatments.
12-12-2021 02:47:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: But yeah, maybe.  Still..
12-12-2021 02:48:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, could stream something.
12-12-2021 02:50:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: is there a show you'd recommend?
12-12-2021 02:54:17 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Jobless reincarnation was pretty good for the last two seasons
12-12-2021 02:54:59 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Saihate no Paladin
12-12-2021 02:55:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hmm.
12-12-2021 02:55:16 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Sakugan
12-12-2021 02:56:10 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I like sakugan but I have a feeling the CGI might really put some people off
12-12-2021 02:56:17 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Its not great
12-12-2021 02:56:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hmm.
12-12-2021 02:56:27 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I like the characters though
12-12-2021 02:56:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..yeah, tbh, usually it's not good even when its good.
12-12-2021 02:56:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: who are the chars in Sakugan?
12-12-2021 02:57:01 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: mains are the father and his daughter
12-12-2021 02:57:25 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: exploring weird underground world, fighting kaiju with mechs
12-12-2021 02:57:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: huh.
12-12-2021 02:57:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: in Extinction, the MC is adventuring with his best friend.. and his best friend's mother.
12-12-2021 02:58:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It's been a great source for fun interactions.
12-12-2021 02:58:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: have to check that out.
12-12-2021 02:58:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: oh, we also saw the Made in the Abyss movie.
12-12-2021 02:59:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: was good, but I'm a bit worried about things going forward.. I read some of the manga and the next chapter looked rather worrying.
12-12-2021 02:59:35 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: It will probably be a while till the next adaptation
12-12-2021 02:59:49 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: they manga is slow and they've hung around in that next layer for a while
12-12-2021 03:00:11 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Which MIA movie? Deep soul or the two others?
12-12-2021 03:00:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: The one that takes over after the show ended.
12-12-2021 03:00:36 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Deep soul, gotcha
12-12-2021 03:00:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, I forget the title.
12-12-2021 03:00:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: they fight the evil doctor man.
12-12-2021 03:00:55 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Like ya do
12-12-2021 03:01:03 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Ah, that series has great music
12-12-2021 03:01:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that said.. running extinction really has been fun.
12-12-2021 03:01:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: almost broke syv during the last plot sequence.
12-12-2021 03:01:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: had the MC hock his sword for gambling money in a casino.
12-12-2021 03:01:54 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Running games can be fun. I've been doing it for. oh god has it been 10 years yet
12-12-2021 03:02:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Hah.
12-12-2021 03:02:54 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Like usual I don't look at other people's games. What is extinction? 
12-12-2021 03:03:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: "You are a JRPG protagonist, the suggestion game.
12-12-2021 03:03:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: worked out a plot for one a long time ago with a friend of mine who was into RPG maker games.
12-12-2021 03:04:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: we didn't get much work done on it, but we did get a good plot.
12-12-2021 03:04:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Right now there's a big battle sequence going on as the main villans are seiging the city the MC is in, in an attempt to kill him.
12-12-2021 03:04:46 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Have they fought god yet? 
12-12-2021 03:04:50 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: or is that later?
12-12-2021 03:04:57 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: gotta fight god in an JRPG
12-12-2021 03:05:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Hah.
12-12-2021 03:05:34 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Its happened in both JRPGs I've played
12-12-2021 03:05:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: You could say that.  The people trying to kill the MC sorta qualify as that, and they'll face off against them at the end.
12-12-2021 03:05:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It's very common, yeah.
12-12-2021 03:05:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: although the intended end-boss fight is another adventuring party.
12-12-2021 03:06:12 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Does the MC have a party or he lone hero?
12-12-2021 03:08:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Party.
12-12-2021 03:08:12 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Nice
12-12-2021 03:08:15 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Just gonna
12-12-2021 03:08:16 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: https://external-preview.redd.it/fQNUAgcn2-Mcp7GB5drWqWWamar7gBL2Qac1MR5dfNg.jpg?auto=webp&s=7d8cd1f831392d0d247588d2140c260d05c90bd9
12-12-2021 03:08:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: his best friend, his best friend's mother, and a fourth member.
12-12-2021 03:08:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and hah.
12-12-2021 03:09:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Nah, that's not really this game.
12-12-2021 03:10:07 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I like how his best friend brought his mom along
12-12-2021 03:10:22 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Wait...there's a manga about that
12-12-2021 03:10:34 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: overpowered mom traveling with adventurer son
12-12-2021 03:10:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Unsurprising, but yeah, pretty good.
12-12-2021 03:11:17 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: https://mangakakalot.com/read-xs0zj158504862656
12-12-2021 03:11:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Also it wasn't so much 'chose to bring his mom along' as 'mom wanted to find out why the hell so many people want to murder her son's best friend.'
12-12-2021 03:11:53 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: fair
12-12-2021 03:12:07 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: also, goddamn manga and LN names are getting stupid
12-12-2021 03:12:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also, heh.
12-12-2021 03:12:08 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com:  Bouken ni, Tsuitekonaide Okaasan!: Chouka Hogo na Saikyou Dragon ni Sodaterareta Musuko, Hahaoya Douhan de Boukensha ni Naru
12-12-2021 03:12:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the MC's a dragon, fwiw.  ;-p
12-12-2021 03:12:32 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Well, the mom is
12-12-2021 03:12:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the one dragon.  Kinda the whole plot there.
12-12-2021 03:12:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Just saying from that link.
12-12-2021 03:12:58 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: The MC is a human adopted by the mom dragon lady
12-12-2021 03:13:19 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Oh, to your eternity  also a good anime
12-12-2021 03:15:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, still got some twists in store, but mostly it's just fun going through scenes.
12-12-2021 03:15:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: plus it's nice being able to do stuff like have an evil empire actually be dangerous.
12-12-2021 03:15:54 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: ye
12-12-2021 03:16:09 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Suggestion games do let you control the story and direction a lot more tightly
12-12-2021 03:16:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.  I do kinda want to run something in your style some day.
12-12-2021 03:16:33 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: chaotic stupid?
12-12-2021 03:16:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: players get a character each.
12-12-2021 03:16:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: have them do missions.
12-12-2021 03:17:04 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: its an efficient way to handle things in PBP settings
12-12-2021 03:18:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I like open world stuff, but players just brainlock when they hit situations like that, so..
12-12-2021 03:18:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it'd be missions.
12-12-2021 03:19:51 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: indeed
12-12-2021 03:19:58 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: some people are able to do it
12-12-2021 03:20:00 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: but not most
12-12-2021 03:20:28 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I think a "Branching Paths" sort of set up might be a good inbetween 
12-12-2021 03:20:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: branching paths..
12-12-2021 03:21:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, maybe.
12-12-2021 03:21:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, you want to see a broken syv?
12-12-2021 03:22:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177035.msg8304534;topicseen#msg8304534
12-12-2021 03:23:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also got him to go "Fuck" when a villain showed up unexpectedly, so..
12-12-2021 03:25:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ugh, too many games I want to run.
12-12-2021 03:25:36 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I see you forced him to then play fantasy card games
12-12-2021 03:25:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Hey, he was pro casino!
12-12-2021 03:25:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: could have not went in
12-12-2021 03:26:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but yeah, had to make one up.  syv likes complex rules and trying to grind stuff like that out, and the sword thing motivated him.
12-12-2021 03:27:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so it was a good digression.  I think it only went like a week or so.
12-12-2021 03:31:17 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: You ever watch konosuba? 
12-12-2021 03:31:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: nope.
12-12-2021 03:32:58 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: The first episode is up on youtube. Might enjoy it
12-12-2021 03:32:58 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8CORxz5FKA
12-12-2021 03:33:09 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Satire of JRPG/Isekai. 
12-12-2021 03:34:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Maybe!
12-12-2021 03:34:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I do like JRPG, but there's a lot wrong with it.
12-12-2021 03:35:23 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: It can be very silly
12-12-2021 03:50:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, didn't buy much in Mook, just a few non-lethal grenades and a toolkit.
12-12-2021 03:51:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: worried about no armour, but I figure that most weapons will be really big, so might as well go with nothing.
12-12-2021 03:51:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: could spend for a d6, but that doesn't help much against a 2d8 weapon.  ;-p
12-12-2021 03:52:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/T-3DKT3-n3M/maxresdefault.jpg
12-12-2021 03:52:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: That was ER.
12-12-2021 03:54:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I don't have forced revives in this game!  ;-p
12-12-2021 03:56:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: There is freedom in death!  ;-p
12-12-2021 04:22:23 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Don't put on the brain ring and you can escape
12-12-2021 04:22:25 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Well
12-12-2021 04:22:31 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: unless Sy summons you back
12-12-2021 04:23:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: goddamn ghost powers.
12-12-2021 04:25:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: What kinda things have been bought from the researchers?
12-12-2021 04:25:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: thinking I might double down on no revives and buy something body-related.
12-12-2021 04:26:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: no fear opens up more options..
12-12-2021 04:27:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that's mostly what implants are for.
12-12-2021 04:27:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hmm..
12-12-2021 04:36:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: good xkcd today.
12-12-2021 04:38:27 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: I forget what people have got
12-12-2021 04:38:35 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: might as well shoot for whatever you want
12-12-2021 04:38:41 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Personally, I'm shooting for bed
12-12-2021 04:38:46 < Piecewise!Mibbit@957-810-052-976.res.spectrum.com: Night Dev. 
12-12-2021 04:40:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Night PW.
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12-12-2021 04:51:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Fuck Frozen Synapse 2
12-12-2021 04:52:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Most upsettingly disappointing game of my lifetime
12-12-2021 04:56:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: aww.
12-12-2021 04:56:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I know you really liked Frozen Synapse.
12-12-2021 04:59:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yes!
12-12-2021 04:59:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And FS2 would've been one of my favorite games of all time!  Probably my favorite tactical TBS game!
12-12-2021 05:00:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But it is SO FUCKING BROKEN.
12-12-2021 05:00:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Oh?
12-12-2021 05:00:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And for so little reason, too.  It's *close enough* to functional that I could almost see a modder fixing it.
12-12-2021 05:01:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Tweak things, disable a few mechanics, alter some numbers, and it would be close to perfect.  A jank perfect, but with jank that's not experience-ruining.
12-12-2021 05:01:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: could be worse.
12-12-2021 05:01:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but it hurts.
12-12-2021 05:01:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: been there.
12-12-2021 05:01:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Back when I actually played through a full campaign, I wrote up something like two thousand words of complaints, most of them being described with only a sentence or two to save space.
12-12-2021 05:02:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Dang.
12-12-2021 05:03:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Bugs and strange mechanics are the rule in that game, not the exception.  And even so, it's fun enough that I played through a full campaign; if I could disable the most egregious 20%, it'd be acceptable.
12-12-2021 05:04:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That's what makes it particularly upsetting.  I absolutely love the concept, and what they came close to doing, and... it ends up being significantly less enjoyable just because of very stupid mechanics.
12-12-2021 05:05:14 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com sighs
12-12-2021 05:05:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm.
12-12-2021 05:05:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: dunno if that's better or worse than the MoO3 situation, where it doesn't, but there's just enough pieces where you could see a good game existing.
12-12-2021 05:06:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Better or worse is probably highly subjective.
12-12-2021 05:07:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: No, MoO3 was more broken than what you describe.
12-12-2021 05:07:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'm referring to the feeling of abject disappointment.
12-12-2021 05:07:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Probably better, then, because it's less tempting.  Less ability to make you play enough to see what could have been.
12-12-2021 05:08:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I actually have a copy of that right here.
12-12-2021 05:08:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: a fresh box.
12-12-2021 05:09:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: That is something I should stream one day.
12-12-2021 05:09:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: dammit, I don't remember the forum in joke easter eggs in the civilopedia equivalent.
12-12-2021 05:10:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Having something you can come 80% of the way to enjoying might be worse than having something 20% of the way to enjoyment.
12-12-2021 05:11:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That's not quite what I mean.
12-12-2021 05:11:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm.
12-12-2021 05:11:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: can you give me a couple of examples?
12-12-2021 05:11:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: FS2 is... mostly functional.  You can play it, enjoy it, and complete it.  Although you probably won't, because there's a lot of bugs that end progress.
12-12-2021 05:11:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: What
12-12-2021 05:12:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: 's frustrating is that a lot of the game mechanics are reduced to meaninglessness.
12-12-2021 05:13:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Killing enemy units--or your own units dying--has *no* long term effects.  They respawn in a short period of time.  So if an enemy attacks your base, and fails, it has zero repercussions for anyone.  Similarly, if you attack and fail, there's no penalty whatsoever.
12-12-2021 05:13:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ooh.
12-12-2021 05:13:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that sounds like a big decision in a tactical game.
12-12-2021 05:14:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Well, that's a strategic layer issue
12-12-2021 05:14:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I should explain more
12-12-2021 05:15:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: FS has two modes.  First, the zoomed in tactical fights, which are played with 5-second turns.  Whoever kills all enemy units (or achieves the win condition) gains control of the area the fight occured in, or gains the reward that was fought over.
12-12-2021 05:16:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Second, the strategic layer, where there's an entire procgen city with many different factions, sending squads all over the place to war with each other and gain control of resources.
12-12-2021 05:16:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: You may recognize this as sounding similar to the originally described strategic gameplay of Mad Max With Wizards, or Chalice.  :P
12-12-2021 05:17:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yes.
12-12-2021 05:17:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Tactical victories DO give benefits to the player--you can take loot, or control a building, which has benefits.
12-12-2021 05:17:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Tactical defeats don't.  Almost as a rule.
12-12-2021 05:17:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It's also the strategic gameplay of some of the oldest strat-tac combat games of all of them.
12-12-2021 05:17:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yep!
12-12-2021 05:18:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's been compared to XCom Apocalypse a lot.
12-12-2021 05:18:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I was thinking older.
12-12-2021 05:19:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but I can never remember the names.
12-12-2021 05:19:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Sure.  I don't know of anything that's quite so similar, though; Apoc has a city, with territorial control, many factions, and real-time tactical fights within occupied buildings.
12-12-2021 05:20:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: There was one where you'd equip your own troops and it was like medieval armies.
12-12-2021 05:20:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: There was also the Lords of the Realm series, but that's about the same time as Apoc.
12-12-2021 05:20:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'm thinking of a very early 2d one whose name I can never remember.
12-12-2021 05:21:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Anyway, you can make progress by winning battles, and claiming territory, but for the most part the enemy AI can't.  Theoretically you should be able to lose if they attack your home base and kill your commander... but with how defense is MASSIVELY stacked in favor of the defender, it won't happen unless you substantially screw up.
12-12-2021 05:22:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And when they attack and occupy buildings which aren't your HQ, it essentially does not matter.
12-12-2021 05:22:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm.
12-12-2021 05:22:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that's not necessarily unforgiveable, but.
12-12-2021 05:22:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah, I can see that sucking.
12-12-2021 05:23:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: You could improve this a lot by just making deaths permanent.  Enemy attacks your base, and you lose two soldiers?  That actually matters, repeated attacks could wear you down and reduce your ability to attack places.
12-12-2021 05:23:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: As is, every casualty will regen before the second attack.
12-12-2021 05:24:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: A second issue is how defenders are stacked--in a base defense, every single defending soldier stationed there takes part, but attackers are limited to six-man squads, or twelve-man for the PC through use of a glitch that allows a double attack.
12-12-2021 05:24:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: This is obviously meant to put the player at a disadvantage, because of course they'll be better than the AI.
12-12-2021 05:26:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But it utterly hamstrings the AI from being able to attack at all, and a player can still exploit stronger numbers by attacking repeatedly (the AI units regen after six hours too, but the player has no restriction from attacking six times in an hour, with six squads).
12-12-2021 05:26:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm.
12-12-2021 05:26:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and the AI has no concept of doing that.
12-12-2021 05:26:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Of course.
12-12-2021 05:27:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: If the AI were just allowed to make squads of any size, then it'd be fine.  They could attack with an overwhelming army of thirty units, and while it'd be a failure scenario... it's good if you can fail in a strategic game.  Also, FS is fun to play when outnumbered, especially in defensive scenarios.
12-12-2021 05:28:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Plus, if deaths were permanent, mounting a desperate defense that loses, but kills half the attackers, would be meaningful.
12-12-2021 05:29:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Money in the game is broken, because of a very simple and entirely insane choice.  Money is not *spent* on anything.  It is *invested*, and can always be taken back out (unless a bug disables that, which does happen with some frequency).
12-12-2021 05:29:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So it's another way in which it's impossible to lose progress.  If you gain money, in any way, you will now always have that.
12-12-2021 05:30:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It seems to work the same for the AI.
12-12-2021 05:31:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: INFINITE MONEY.
12-12-2021 05:31:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Finally... the last broken thing, diplomacy is broken.  Investing money in an AI faction (bribing them)... gains more positive reputation than canceling an investment.
12-12-2021 05:31:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..yeah, that does sound bad.
12-12-2021 05:31:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ...
12-12-2021 05:32:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So if you have 50k cash, you can ensure you always have positive relations with every AI by repeatedly making and canceling 50k investment.
12-12-2021 05:32:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Seriously.
12-12-2021 05:32:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: glorious.
12-12-2021 05:32:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I exploited this after I got bored of base defenses that I'd just win easily, and which had no effect on anything whatsoever.
12-12-2021 05:34:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, that's something special, really.
12-12-2021 05:34:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Remove faction investments.  Make it so troops permadie, which also makes money able to be lost.  Remove limits on attacker numbers.
12-12-2021 05:34:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And bam, you'd have a great game.
12-12-2021 05:34:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: get 50k, win game immediately is a somewhat significant bug.
12-12-2021 05:34:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It'd still have a ton of bugs and jank, but... that alone would massively improve it.
12-12-2021 05:34:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah.
12-12-2021 05:34:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: couldn't find the game I was thinking of, but got reminded of Stars!
12-12-2021 05:35:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that was an experience in multiplayer.
12-12-2021 05:35:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: There's a tons of ways it vould be improved otherwise, and lots of those would require more careful dev attention and coding... but this stuff seems so relatively minor and easily fixable, that it's just... *why?*
12-12-2021 05:35:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: god only knows.
12-12-2021 05:36:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Fix 10% of the worst bugs, which should also be easiest, and make the game four times better.  Meh.
12-12-2021 05:36:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: What was Stars! like?
12-12-2021 05:36:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Stars is a space simulation game that has some odd similarities to the first Master of Orion.
12-12-2021 05:36:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: they're very different, but they share the combination of tactical combat and strategic combat.
12-12-2021 05:37:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but Stars is about 15 times more complicated, and not 15 times as good.
12-12-2021 05:37:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hehe.
12-12-2021 05:38:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It has one of those communities like Allegiance, full of stupid experienced players who have overtuned the game.  It had a wide variety of player-controlled race creation options.. like you could make a race that could only live on one in 15 planets, or you could make a race of spore breeders that could go everywhere, and it tried to balance them against each other.
12-12-2021 05:38:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Damn.  That sounds neat, though.
12-12-2021 05:38:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It did a far better job than it was intended, but the community eventually overtuned it in favor of 'one right path'.
12-12-2021 05:38:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I played a couple of multiplayer games of it.
12-12-2021 05:38:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Awww
12-12-2021 05:38:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It is neat in concept if a bit too hard.
12-12-2021 05:39:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that said, nobody told me the Right Path.  ;-p
12-12-2021 05:39:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so, apparently, I broke every convention of the game in playing it and it was an incredibly weird experience.
12-12-2021 05:40:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: How so?
12-12-2021 05:40:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: baaasically, you're supposed to go with the spore breeders who don't need to build colony ships to expand, and take something like -40% penalties to ship construction, because in mid-late game you can stack modifiers which render that irrelevant.
12-12-2021 05:40:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Were you defeated trivially, or did the sheer wrongness trip up your opponents?
12-12-2021 05:41:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It was weird.
12-12-2021 05:41:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and competition is based around tuning your increasing supply of planets to maximize pop growth, optimize scouting, and take as much territory as possible.
12-12-2021 05:42:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I went with 'lets be only able to colonize naturally 3% of planets, because I think you get more bonus points to compensate for havnig to terraform 97% of planets as opposed to 94% of planets.
12-12-2021 05:43:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Then I took a bunch of fast industrial expansion perks, not fast population growth, because in my test game it was likely to cap out the planet if taking the recommend pop growth and having few avalable colonies.
12-12-2021 05:44:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..but you could extract resources with spaceships, even with no colony.
12-12-2021 05:45:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hahaha
12-12-2021 05:45:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: aaanyway, the one big bottleneck for the breeders is with the penalties it takes them a long time to build starbases.  In order to build colony ships or warships from a planet, you need a starbase.  Omnibreeders don't need that to expand or take resources, since they have a spread method that doesn't require ships.
12-12-2021 05:45:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: So normally people would have a pop on every planet they could reach, especially ones with resources... but instead you had massive capitals rarely, and a few big freighter mining ships spaced around.
12-12-2021 05:45:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Not quite like that.
12-12-2021 05:46:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: You got the first part right.
12-12-2021 05:46:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: in my case I had a cloud of many dozens of mining ships and transports and such.  I did end up finding a few alternate planets, but I couldn't make pace with the breeders my way.. the industrial route is far worse.
12-12-2021 05:46:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..however..
12-12-2021 05:47:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the breeders can't build warships with no starbases.  Everyone gets one free starbase at their starting planet.
12-12-2021 05:47:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and ships pay nothing for ammunition, and can bomb out populations.
12-12-2021 05:48:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so it became a challenge of if I could keep enough warfleets in orbit around breeder planets to outpace their pop growth, while paying nothing for the bombers, and forcing my opponent to write off the dozens of cheap colonies.
12-12-2021 05:48:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...Wow.
12-12-2021 05:48:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the key breakpoint was if I had enough ships together to blow up a starbase.  If I did that, I could lock down that colony forever, or even use that one fleet to take on lik efour, five planets, moving around them in cycles.
12-12-2021 05:50:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Anyway, I ended up losing it, largely due to not attacking soon enough.  If I'd realized what I had to do to win a dozen or so turns earlier, I would have pulled it off.  As is, a few too many planets got out of the choke, and eventually the opponent got some fleets together.  There was some doubt, but I would have been outplayed in the late game, so not much real doubt.
12-12-2021 05:50:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But they still had their full fleets, just bottlenecked to their starting star?
12-12-2021 05:50:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that said, the guy did call it the dumbest game ever.
12-12-2021 05:50:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: no, you don't start with a warfleet.
12-12-2021 05:51:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Oooo
12-12-2021 05:51:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: They didn't have any warfleets.
12-12-2021 05:51:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I did blow up their home starbase, too.
12-12-2021 05:51:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hah, that makes it better!
12-12-2021 05:51:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.
12-12-2021 05:51:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I thought you meant you were doing this while also fighting a conventional war.
12-12-2021 05:52:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But no, it was, like... trying to contain the Flood/Zerg/Orks.
12-12-2021 05:52:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Essentially, yeah.  I simply didn't move early enough.
12-12-2021 05:52:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's pretty cool that the game organically resulted in that.
12-12-2021 05:52:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: should have moved as soon as I had one fleet that could take out a starbase.
12-12-2021 05:53:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: too bad.  If I'd won at Stars!, in my first competitive game, against a real vet playing his specialty, it would have been absolutely incredible.
12-12-2021 05:53:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yes.
12-12-2021 05:54:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: although, really, the meta was quite degenerate.
12-12-2021 05:54:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: someone should be able to pull that off.
12-12-2021 05:54:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: What happens when everyone plays meta, in an at all balanced game.
12-12-2021 05:55:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Someone plays offmeta, and it's weird enough to squeeze out a win.
12-12-2021 05:55:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Balance isn't that bad.  It is overtuned a good bit, but overall it seemed quite viable.
12-12-2021 05:55:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it was utterly nonviable if you rule out an early rush, though..
12-12-2021 05:55:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: we could play that sometime.
12-12-2021 05:55:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also note, I can't beat the AI in it.  ;-p
12-12-2021 05:55:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Sure.
12-12-2021 05:55:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Turn based?
12-12-2021 05:57:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: very much so.
12-12-2021 05:57:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: http://www.abandonia.com/en/downloadgame/27002
12-12-2021 05:58:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "adventure game"?
12-12-2021 06:00:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: what?
12-12-2021 06:00:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Abandonia calls it an adventure game.
12-12-2021 06:00:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I downloaded it, readme says to put a dll in c:\windows.
12-12-2021 06:01:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, that's a requirement.  I understand if you don't.
12-12-2021 06:02:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: eh
12-12-2021 06:02:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Not right now then, but if we agree to play some time.
12-12-2021 06:03:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah.  It's also a 16-bit program.
12-12-2021 06:03:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so there's a few additional hoops to jump through.
12-12-2021 06:03:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...hahaha...
12-12-2021 06:03:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yeah, that IS ancient.
12-12-2021 06:03:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.  I haven't played it on this computer.
12-12-2021 06:07:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but it'll be a chore, that's all I know.
12-12-2021 06:07:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Mmm.
12-12-2021 06:07:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Something to do on a day when I'm tired and don't want to do anything productive.
12-12-2021 06:08:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I made a new little system for Nyafor.
12-12-2021 06:08:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Working off the mechanics and gunlist I made for Verloren.
12-12-2021 06:09:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ..god, when did I play it?
12-12-2021 06:09:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I've had this comp for quite a few years now.
12-12-2021 06:10:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah, that's a copy on the former XP partition, so must have been on that one.
12-12-2021 06:10:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: dang.
12-12-2021 06:10:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: well, probably VM time.
12-12-2021 06:13:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I think I have an XP disk around which should work fine.
12-12-2021 06:13:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: gah though.
12-12-2021 06:13:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ...
12-12-2021 06:13:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: how the fuck am I gonna use a VM through multiplayer?
12-12-2021 06:14:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ugh, might VM some kinda linux then, which will add another set of fun.
12-12-2021 06:16:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I suspect I'm going to need to write you procedures.
12-12-2021 06:16:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: or forget it.  ;-p
12-12-2021 06:16:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Alright.
12-12-2021 06:16:47 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com shrugs
12-12-2021 06:16:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I don't have problems following procedures.
12-12-2021 06:17:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I'm not hugely interested in the game, but I'm curious enough to go through some degree of work.
12-12-2021 06:17:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Mostly up to how much you want to try it.
12-12-2021 06:17:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Hah.
12-12-2021 06:17:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: we could use remote administration and play hotseat on my computer.
12-12-2021 06:18:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that would probably be the easy way to to it.
12-12-2021 06:19:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...Okay.  If you'd be willing.  o.O
12-12-2021 06:20:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Oh, hell.
12-12-2021 06:20:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: someone ported a direct version of it for dosbox.
12-12-2021 06:20:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Should prolly still write instructions on how to set up without internet, so I can do a solo game or two without hogging your comput--
12-12-2021 06:20:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Well that sounds simple.  ^-^
12-12-2021 06:20:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: https://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Get_Stars!
12-12-2021 06:20:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Gotta pay for that version.
12-12-2021 06:21:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'd be willing to cover a few bucks for it.
12-12-2021 06:21:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: multiplayer, though..
12-12-2021 06:22:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "Windows 3.11"
12-12-2021 06:22:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "Stars! was designed for this OS."
12-12-2021 06:22:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yes, ancient
12-12-2021 06:23:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hm, dosbox download seems to be free?
12-12-2021 06:24:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: You only need to pay for additional multiplayer seriel codes beyond what comes with the game, according to the readme in the abandonia download.
12-12-2021 06:24:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I.E. if you want to use their online hosting, and not host yourself with friends.
12-12-2021 06:26:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yeah.
12-12-2021 06:26:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it's to support the autohoster.
12-12-2021 06:26:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so we could play it just fine.
12-12-2021 06:26:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: dos version does ask for a code, but can use the ones from that file.
12-12-2021 06:26:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that said..
12-12-2021 06:26:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: we'd have to do something like remote admin to multiplayer that.
12-12-2021 06:28:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That's up to you.
12-12-2021 06:28:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'll think about it.
12-12-2021 06:28:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I won't allow remote access to my computer, because... it's something I don't understand well enough, and seems like a good thing to say "never ever" on.
12-12-2021 06:29:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: You can do as you think best.
12-12-2021 06:29:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I won't try and do anything or exploit the connection, not that I'd know how in all likelihood.  But that does seem like a big show of trust all the same.
12-12-2021 06:29:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It'd work the other way around.
12-12-2021 06:29:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: pfft, it would be a bit of a show of trust, but I know how to handle that.
12-12-2021 06:30:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I'd just make another user.
12-12-2021 06:30:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ahhh
12-12-2021 06:30:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...I don't think I've ever actually done that.  On any computer I've owned.
12-12-2021 06:30:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you could theoretically do stuff, but I'd still be here.
12-12-2021 06:30:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I haven't had reason to, either.  But still.
12-12-2021 06:30:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I did it a lot when fixing computers for people.
12-12-2021 06:30:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Makes sense.
12-12-2021 06:31:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: and yeah, it'd work the other way around.  You'd be remote admining me.
12-12-2021 06:38:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm
12-12-2021 06:39:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: that's the same game but not the same version.  A bit more clunky.
12-12-2021 06:39:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: still, it works.
12-12-2021 06:43:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, I kinda would rather livestream the trainwreck that is MoO 3.
12-12-2021 06:43:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: before messing with Stars! for hours.
12-12-2021 06:47:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: this is the release version, too!
12-12-2021 06:48:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Mmm.
12-12-2021 06:48:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the glory that is the full PD bug, among other things.
12-12-2021 06:48:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Not such a fan of streams.
12-12-2021 06:48:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: aww, but I know all the dirty secrets..  ;-p
12-12-2021 06:48:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Might listen while I fuck with GDocs?
12-12-2021 06:48:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: nah, I'll save it for MJ or someone.  I will install it, though, see if there's any other hoops.
12-12-2021 06:50:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I wonder how hard it is to get python to read data from a doc file.
12-12-2021 06:50:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: what kind of .doc?
12-12-2021 06:50:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: This one is saved as a .xls, for whatever reason.
12-12-2021 06:51:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "Microsoft Excel 97-2003 Worksheet"
12-12-2021 06:51:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: oh good, it's not 365 or later.
12-12-2021 06:51:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But I'm pretty sure it can just be transferred to whatever, it's not complex.  It copied easily to GDocs.
12-12-2021 06:51:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hm
12-12-2021 06:52:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And transfers back fine, too.
12-12-2021 06:53:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: oh man, the memories are flooding back.
12-12-2021 06:53:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: can you put it in a csv?
12-12-2021 06:55:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: the windows 3.1 installer.
12-12-2021 06:55:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Have to figure out how to make a csv first ;P
12-12-2021 06:56:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: there's one other thing.
12-12-2021 06:56:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you don't know why FS2 is bad.
12-12-2021 06:56:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I know why MoO 3 is bad.
12-12-2021 06:57:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Gamespy arcade installation prompt!
12-12-2021 06:57:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: god, the memories.
12-12-2021 06:58:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Worst multiplayer service ever.
12-12-2021 06:58:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Seems I can import it into a csv, yes.
12-12-2021 06:58:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Python should be able to deal with that.
12-12-2021 06:58:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Uhhhh
12-12-2021 06:58:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: More information on why MoO3 is bad?
12-12-2021 06:58:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Actually, that wasn't an issue.
12-12-2021 06:58:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And is csv just a text file format of a doc?
12-12-2021 06:58:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: csv stands for comma seperated values.
12-12-2021 06:58:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it won't have any formatting or funky characters.
12-12-2021 06:59:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yep!
12-12-2021 06:59:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Oh, damn, this is awesome
12-12-2021 06:59:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you'll still have to work with it, but there won't be stuff like that.
12-12-2021 06:59:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: THIS IS AWESOME
12-12-2021 06:59:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: you didn't know about csvs?
12-12-2021 06:59:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: No!
12-12-2021 06:59:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I'm a millenial, Dev!
12-12-2021 06:59:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: insert xkcd about today you are one of the 30,000 people.
12-12-2021 06:59:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: This could almost natively support AoTTG map script editing!
12-12-2021 07:00:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Those are basically *already* CSVs, just with a little more jank
12-12-2021 07:00:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: CSVs are neither old or obsolete.
12-12-2021 07:00:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hrm
12-12-2021 07:01:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Actually, not quite, because map scripts are fuck.
12-12-2021 07:01:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hm.
12-12-2021 07:01:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: This makes me want to talk to Ricecake or Syal about just changing the ordering of values, though.
12-12-2021 07:01:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But yes, thank you.
12-12-2021 07:02:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: thank you.
12-12-2021 07:02:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: always nice to teach someone like that.
12-12-2021 07:06:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And python has a library for reading them, of course.
12-12-2021 07:07:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yeah, I was just idly wondering how hard it'd be to make an automatic roller which pulls data from the spreadsheet.  And this would make that actually pretty trivial.
12-12-2021 07:08:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It could also be used for saving it in a format that's nice to read directly.
12-12-2021 07:08:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Saving data*
12-12-2021 07:15:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: indeed.
12-12-2021 07:16:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: anyway, played for five minutes, game crashed upon exit and alt-tab behavior is wretched.
12-12-2021 07:16:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but it seems functional enough to stream.
12-12-2021 07:17:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: They also wrote half the core forum members into the credits, which brings back a lot of memories.
12-12-2021 07:17:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: even if I can't remember all the manual easter eggs.
12-12-2021 07:17:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: No.. it's beyond that.
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12-12-2021 07:28:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Heya ER.
12-12-2021 07:32:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hello!
12-12-2021 07:32:45 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hi
12-12-2021 07:32:47 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: cat
12-12-2021 07:34:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: heya cat.
12-12-2021 07:35:56 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com pats ER
12-12-2021 07:36:01 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com pats cat too
12-12-2021 07:57:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: bleb
12-12-2021 08:02:06 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the problem with being a fleshhorror is that you can't ever eat the same thing twice without being a cannibal
12-12-2021 08:13:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Sounds less like fleshorrors have a problem with eating, and more like you have a problem with cannibalism.
12-12-2021 08:13:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: indeed.
12-12-2021 08:13:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: played 15 minutes of MoO 3.  It really is impressive how poor it is.
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12-12-2021 08:14:08 < sy!syvarris@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aoX2K4ECau5iFeFMiF_2UVXMvShu9tcDwyDEIoVTms4/edit?usp=sharing
12-12-2021 08:14:11 < sy!syvarris@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: is pretty
12-12-2021 08:14:30 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: much gun
12-12-2021 08:14:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hey hey!  congrats.
12-12-2021 08:14:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I made this awhile ago, I've just been off-and-on messing with it in GDocs.
12-12-2021 08:15:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I like the system, though.
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12-12-2021 08:18:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: looks good.
12-12-2021 08:18:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but yeah, moo3 is a thousand buttons that do nothing.
12-12-2021 08:19:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Might extend the colors fully down the row, to help identify which gun has which stats when you're looking to the right.  The mixed faction ordering would actually help there.
12-12-2021 08:19:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But first I want to put each faction's list into their own sheet.
12-12-2021 08:19:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And then mess with the actual game mechanics more.
12-12-2021 08:20:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm.
12-12-2021 08:21:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Which one's the Mellowlink gun?
12-12-2021 08:22:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: don't see it.  ;-p
12-12-2021 08:26:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: M3-Lartee
12-12-2021 08:26:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Cat AMR
12-12-2021 08:26:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: M3L = MELlowlink, Artee = Arity
12-12-2021 08:26:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Mellowlink Arity
12-12-2021 08:26:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: doah.
12-12-2021 08:26:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: didn't scroll down.
12-12-2021 08:26:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: I r dum.
12-12-2021 08:27:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Eh, they're all obscure puns, I wouldn't expect you to recognize it.
12-12-2021 08:27:15 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: isn't that the one which was an old antitank rifle
12-12-2021 08:27:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Especially not knowing the system.
12-12-2021 08:27:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yup!
12-12-2021 08:27:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: antimecha rifle!
12-12-2021 08:27:45 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: which I guess the cats just didn't bother replacing :p
12-12-2021 08:27:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's the only one capable of critting at short range, and has the best CQB score of any AMR.
12-12-2021 08:28:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: nah, it's for the close combat capability.
12-12-2021 08:28:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: `1
12-12-2021 08:29:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's still an okay sniper, too.  Just not a good one.
12-12-2021 08:29:07 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: but how useful is it for anti-materiel? ;p
12-12-2021 08:29:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: worst long range capability.
12-12-2021 08:30:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It's as fine as any 15mm for anti-materiel.
12-12-2021 08:31:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: They do have differing damage, but it's really small compared to what the caliber contributes.
12-12-2021 09:00:55 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ooooooh, elden ring
12-12-2021 09:06:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yes!
12-12-2021 09:06:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: TOO FUCKING FAR AWAY
12-12-2021 09:06:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I want to do powerstancing >n<
12-12-2021 09:06:54 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the lore, I want the lore v.v
12-12-2021 09:07:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And the Zullie videos
12-12-2021 09:07:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And the memes
12-12-2021 09:07:56 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: someone speculated that it would turn out to be a sci-fi setting greadually, like how bloodborne unfolds into cosmic horror
12-12-2021 09:08:02 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: which would be hype
12-12-2021 09:08:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Huh, really?
12-12-2021 09:08:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That occured to me a little while ago.
12-12-2021 09:08:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Mostly dismissed the idea, seems a bit random.
12-12-2021 09:08:44 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the trailer guy who was the conquerer of the stars or something
12-12-2021 09:09:00 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and the elden ring was that which commanded the stars
12-12-2021 09:09:36 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and it could have been a ringworld or something
12-12-2021 09:11:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: ringworld.
12-12-2021 09:11:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: maybe they stole from me.  ;-p
12-12-2021 09:12:21 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and apparently the rune which appears then you cast gravity spells is like a magnetic field diagram, so it's totally sci-fi :p
12-12-2021 09:12:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...ooooo
12-12-2021 09:13:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Man, that would actually be extremely interesting if it turns out magic is just interfacing with the scifi power network or w/e that was set up.
12-12-2021 09:13:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hm.
12-12-2021 09:13:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And those fire giants supposedly fell from the sky.
12-12-2021 09:16:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hmm.
12-12-2021 09:16:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: dark souls is sci fi.
12-12-2021 09:16:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: could be, really.
12-12-2021 09:21:02 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I read the giant construct things falling from the sky as a laputa castle in the sky reference >.>
12-12-2021 09:21:20 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: maybe my memory is shit but I thought they looked similar to the robot thing in that
12-12-2021 09:23:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: OH
12-12-2021 09:23:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Well yes, they are, of course they are
12-12-2021 09:23:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But that would work perfectly for Scifi!
12-12-2021 09:23:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I mean, Fromsoft wouldn't do *generic* scifi.  They didn't do generic Lovecraft, after all.
12-12-2021 09:24:05 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah
12-12-2021 09:28:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: It'll be good.
12-12-2021 09:28:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: this is the one that's going to have mounts, right?
12-12-2021 09:29:19 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: so far, just one mount
12-12-2021 09:29:29 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: well, one player mount
12-12-2021 09:29:47 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: you do a little whistle and he appears. he is a good boy and can double jump
12-12-2021 09:30:27 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: enemies also ride horses, and said horses actually seem to be different NPCs
12-12-2021 09:30:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Which is, like, significant.
12-12-2021 09:30:46 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: since you can kill the horse from under them, or kill the rider and the horse runs away
12-12-2021 09:31:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: "good boy who can double jump"
12-12-2021 09:31:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Hmm?
12-12-2021 09:31:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: nah, makes sense.
12-12-2021 09:32:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it is significant, but otherwise it isn't really a mount.
12-12-2021 09:32:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it's just one enemy with a different model.
12-12-2021 09:32:28 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: horse guy in sekiro was just one NPC
12-12-2021 09:33:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: aye.
12-12-2021 09:34:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And they've been *trying* to do that at least sincs DS2.
12-12-2021 09:34:32 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah, that's the real point I guess
12-12-2021 09:34:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: DS3 has NK, DS2 has the chariot, Sekiro has MASATAKA ONIWA, Bloodborne has some cut content stuff IIRC.
12-12-2021 09:35:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Though BB actually *did* have at least one "mounted" NPC, atop The One Reborn.
12-12-2021 09:35:08 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: horse guy in sekiro is a fake horse guy, but he was the first horse guy they got in at all, and they tried to make him a real guy it was just too hard
12-12-2021 09:35:47 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: winter lanterns are technically mounted NPCs :p
12-12-2021 09:36:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yep.
12-12-2021 09:36:10 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: they just have an invisible immortal thing attached to them which shoots frenzy bullets at you
12-12-2021 09:36:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: The Celestial Emissaries too, IIRC.
12-12-2021 09:36:23 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and the jailers in DS3
12-12-2021 09:37:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hell, Lorian sorta is a mounted NPC (but not the visible model).
12-12-2021 09:37:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: The notable thing is it's an *actual* NPC with their own model that does stuff and can become separated.
12-12-2021 09:37:36 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah it's cool
12-12-2021 09:37:51 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and you can knock them off and do a crit while they're on the ground
12-12-2021 09:37:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: In all other cases, it's just a hack to enable something.
12-12-2021 09:37:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: gah.
12-12-2021 09:38:06 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and then have that done to you and ask for an easy mode please
12-12-2021 09:38:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: they're two different models, stop calling each one them.
12-12-2021 09:38:17 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: no
12-12-2021 09:38:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah, yeah.
12-12-2021 09:40:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: next question, can you steal the mount?
12-12-2021 09:41:13 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: no, I think you can only ride Torrent
12-12-2021 09:41:20 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the magic spirit horse
12-12-2021 09:41:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: do you get Torrent right away?
12-12-2021 09:41:39 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: which is a horse but he has horns which isn't a thing horses have so he looks more like a goat or something
12-12-2021 09:41:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: pretty quick
12-12-2021 09:42:10 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: after finding like two or three bonfires you get him
12-12-2021 09:42:19 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: at least, in the network test thingie
12-12-2021 09:42:32 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: might be different in the actual game but it's something like that
12-12-2021 09:43:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: nah, that's good.
12-12-2021 09:43:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: no sense in burying the most awesome feature.
12-12-2021 09:44:24 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I mean, that can work
12-12-2021 09:44:54 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: like shadow of mordor, you have to get to the second half before you can actually start controlling orcs
12-12-2021 09:45:28 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: before then they're all just enemies, but they still have a system and interact and stuff, which can be interesting on its own
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12-12-2021 09:46:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah, but the basic From software stuff is well known and it's not something to screw with too much.
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12-12-2021 09:50:56 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hi syv~
12-12-2021 09:51:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hey,
12-12-2021 09:51:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: WOAH
12-12-2021 09:51:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: LOGS ARE BACK
12-12-2021 09:51:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: :D
12-12-2021 09:51:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hey, nice.
12-12-2021 09:51:40 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: paris lives
12-12-2021 09:51:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I hope he does
12-12-2021 09:51:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: *stomp stomp*
12-12-2021 09:52:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Maybe I'll have to resume PS if he reappears.
12-12-2021 09:52:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Ada is a good character.
12-12-2021 09:52:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: Yes.
12-12-2021 09:52:13 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: he better be alive because I don't know what to do with sophia otherwise
12-12-2021 09:52:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: paris might have e-mail notifications.
12-12-2021 09:52:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: or something.
12-12-2021 09:52:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: well, there's a woof sophia could ride.  ;-p
12-12-2021 09:53:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Hmm
12-12-2021 09:53:08 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hey parisbre56[Away] show yourself so that syv has to revive PS
12-12-2021 09:53:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Go ahead and PM him that on the forum
12-12-2021 09:53:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: actually, that's the thing about Sophia.
12-12-2021 09:54:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: whatever crisises happen, it's always an improvement for her.
12-12-2021 09:54:43 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yes, that was my brilliant plan
12-12-2021 09:54:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ten thousand years ago
12-12-2021 09:54:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: so if one of the other chars comes up with a problem, weird stuf.f
12-12-2021 09:55:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: 'your dad's sick?'  ;-p
12-12-2021 09:56:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: 'your miraculous recovery is straining your family life?'
12-12-2021 09:56:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: https://cdn.twokinds.keenspot.com/comics/20110406.jpg
12-12-2021 09:56:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: "It's rather awkward knowing I've been... riding you."
12-12-2021 09:57:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: 'you ate someone?'
12-12-2021 09:57:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: just not much sympathy.
12-12-2021 09:57:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also, need to remember that in case someone wishes for a horse.  ;-p
12-12-2021 09:57:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: gonna be a psychic magic horse or something.
12-12-2021 09:58:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Why the fuck is an Alrich Faithful invasion instant, but darkmoons NEVER function???
12-12-2021 09:58:16 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: your dad's sick? like... how is that a problem for you again?
12-12-2021 09:59:20 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: because faithful invade in a popular pvp area, while darkmoons need to find an invasion in progress in whatever area you happen to be in?
12-12-2021 10:00:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: yeah.  Was trying to imagine a problem that would cause Sophia to be sympathetic, but couldn't think of one, up to and including Alida literally eating someone by mistake.
12-12-2021 10:01:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: nah, maybe some missing limb stuff could do it.
12-12-2021 10:01:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: dangit.
12-12-2021 10:01:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: always much later.
12-12-2021 10:01:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I dunno, sophia might be a little disturbed by cannibalism
12-12-2021 10:01:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: would paralysis count?
12-12-2021 10:02:08 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: what's the situation there?
12-12-2021 10:03:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: eh, say Sophia sees a witch victim be stuck with a spinal injury and nonfunctioning legs.
12-12-2021 10:03:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but you know, they're going to live, getting attention..
12-12-2021 10:03:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: but legs no work.
12-12-2021 10:03:52 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: sounds like some good triage ammo
12-12-2021 10:04:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I was darkmooning in anor londo
12-12-2021 10:05:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And then switched to faithful, and got... an anor londo world with a red invader.
12-12-2021 10:05:29 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: well, maybe it's broken in some way :p
12-12-2021 10:06:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: get them mixed up?  ;-p
12-12-2021 10:06:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: It was a triple invasion too.
12-12-2021 10:06:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I didn't join in on ganking the host, and just sat and watched.
12-12-2021 10:06:52 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: kind of wish that darkmoons were a covenent to invade the guilty in DS3, otherwise it's just a clone of blue sentenels
12-12-2021 10:07:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: The other purple kept attacking at me because I wasn't helping.  Because he was losing a fucking 2v1 and needed ir.
12-12-2021 10:07:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: The host one.
12-12-2021 10:07:40 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: [clap guesture]
12-12-2021 10:07:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Beat me easily after he killed the other two.
12-12-2021 10:07:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Yes
12-12-2021 10:08:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: good work.
12-12-2021 10:08:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: did you clap guesture?
12-12-2021 10:09:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I did.
12-12-2021 10:34:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Man, that was awesome.  I got a triple invasion against "Shadow of Londor", who seems to be hacking.  Summoned aldrichs into farron swamp.
12-12-2021 10:34:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...But he beat us all totally legit.
12-12-2021 10:34:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And then, when it was me and him, started using a composite bow, showing how to use it effectively.
12-12-2021 10:34:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: hey, nifty.
12-12-2021 10:34:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Because I had been trying to support with a bow while fighting
12-12-2021 10:34:55 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah just do jumpshots
12-12-2021 10:35:00 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: faster
12-12-2021 10:36:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: is there a time limit on invastions?
12-12-2021 10:37:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I believe so.
12-12-2021 10:37:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I haven't hit it.
12-12-2021 10:37:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: He wasn't sandbagging any more than is necessary in a 3v1.
12-12-2021 10:58:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Awww, that was adorable
12-12-2021 10:59:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I summoned a red sign guy, who parried me on my second attack.  Then did a quickswap that would've oneshot me, prolly.
12-12-2021 10:59:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: But he didn't take it, and switched to a parry-only shield.  And just tried to parry.
12-12-2021 11:00:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...And since I've played a ton of DS1, I know how to attack in a way that's very very difficult to parry.
12-12-2021 11:00:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Got him down to a smidge of HP, and he clapped, then turned around and waited for a backstab.
12-12-2021 11:24:06 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: thanks to dev's good deal, I'll play mook
12-12-2021 11:24:40 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: as explosives specialist, because that seems good for if things need to get deleted.
12-12-2021 11:32:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: mmm.
12-12-2021 11:33:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: it's almost like people should have been starting at that.  ;-p
12-12-2021 11:34:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@rdtr-5d9eo9af5zc8srs39zleas5d4.ipv6.telus.net: also what was the unparryable attack?
12-12-2021 11:43:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: ...I think twohanded and jump attacks may be unparriable in DS3, but I didn't use either.
12-12-2021 11:43:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Nah, it's only jumps.
12-12-2021 11:44:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: Specifically, I was just using the entire moveset randomly, and mixing up dead angles and normal hits.
12-12-2021 11:45:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: And since you need to predict the timing of the attack... "random attack delayed by a random number of frames" is really, really, hard to parry.
12-12-2021 11:47:08 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: huh, when have twohanded attacks been unparryable?
12-12-2021 11:50:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: They're unparriable with ultras, I believe.
12-12-2021 11:50:04 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I wonder if jump attacks have ever been *intended* to be unparryable, or if it just happened because they're funky throws
12-12-2021 11:50:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: That might be a DS2 feature, but I think it's DS3?
12-12-2021 11:50:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: I bet the latter.
12-12-2021 11:50:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: You can parry the Artorias leap attack.
12-12-2021 11:51:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@274-623-716-223.biz.spectrum.com: If it were intentional, why wouldn't they just make that immune?
12-12-2021 11:51:46 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah, and gundyr's super parryable leap attack
12-12-2021 11:52:34 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yay for cat
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