28-09-2021 02:53:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: Heyo ER.
28-09-2021 02:54:16 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hey
28-09-2021 02:54:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: you want me to have a chat with the paladin?
28-09-2021 02:55:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and also, I'm not intending to reset this change by just being a bird forever again, I'll jump about.  Just looking to get away from the graveyard so I can have bird figure out what he is in relative safety for a while.
28-09-2021 02:55:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: Also, it's daytime.
28-09-2021 02:56:25 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: right, should still be morning
28-09-2021 02:57:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: yeah, really want to play with stuff.
28-09-2021 02:57:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and probably going to stat up in manipulation.
28-09-2021 02:57:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: for obvious reasons.
28-09-2021 02:57:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: (+1 strength seems questionable)
28-09-2021 02:57:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: but I dunno, maybe it applies when inside a body.
28-09-2021 02:59:25 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: if you can talk to the paladin that'd be great since I dunno what to say lol
28-09-2021 02:59:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: yeah, I meant the player.  Hah.
28-09-2021 03:02:33 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: sure
28-09-2021 03:03:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: aight, sent.
28-09-2021 03:08:44 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: what did you send?~
28-09-2021 03:09:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: a PM, basically explaining the situation with Revenant, and leaving things open if you want to add another player later, while not promising anything and explaining the situation of a hiatused game resuming.
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28-09-2021 04:17:43 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hey syv
28-09-2021 04:17:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: hello
28-09-2021 04:18:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: There is a purring cat laying on top of me
28-09-2021 04:18:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: hmm.
28-09-2021 04:18:31 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: cool, how's that?
28-09-2021 04:19:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: It's decent enough
28-09-2021 04:20:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: meow
28-09-2021 04:55:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I watched the first episode of that spider isekai anime.
28-09-2021 04:55:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Spider cute enough, 3d cgi's not as upsetting as it usually is.  But they decided to have a terribly generic segment with humans every episode, which is just irritating.
28-09-2021 04:56:16 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: someone was showing screenshots of an anime which is supposed to be roadside picnic-ish maybe kinda
28-09-2021 04:56:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Made in Abyss, you mean?
28-09-2021 04:56:31 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: no
28-09-2021 04:56:43 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I think the name is otherside picnic?
28-09-2021 04:56:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Made in Abyss is _deeply_ Roadside Picnic-ish
28-09-2021 04:57:07 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: less roadside picnic than made in abyss
28-09-2021 04:57:13 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: but there were girls and guns
28-09-2021 05:02:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: https://somoskudasai.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/key-visual_20200104_-scaled.jpg
28-09-2021 05:02:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Seems good
28-09-2021 05:03:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Roadside picnic really didn't have much of any guns.
28-09-2021 05:03:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I can recall... two, maybe three scenes with them?  And they were useless in both cases.
28-09-2021 05:04:23 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: "why do you have a gun idiot there's nothing to shoot at here" "oh I just wanted to be able to shoot myself" "ah fair"
28-09-2021 05:04:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Yeah, literally.
28-09-2021 05:04:54 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: well the other stalker guy did get shot by the police
28-09-2021 05:04:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: You might be quoting the scene, but almost exactly that gets said in the last act.
28-09-2021 05:05:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Eh?  Who got shot?
28-09-2021 05:05:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Burbank was crippled because his leg bones were melted by Witches' Jelly
28-09-2021 05:05:45 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah, and then he got lightly shot
28-09-2021 05:05:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: And then the border guards shot at a zombie and ran away
28-09-2021 05:05:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Hrm
28-09-2021 05:07:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: No dubs for urasekai picnic
28-09-2021 05:14:09 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: so, mainly waiting for sy with revenant
28-09-2021 05:15:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: "Japanese writer Iori Miyazawa's 2017 Otherside Picnic is a novel, manga and anime series in which two girls explore the "Otherside", a world of urban legend populated by ghosts of folklore."
28-09-2021 05:16:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Hrm, that sounds disappointing.  I'm not so interested in Japanese folklore.  Aside from the chance there'd be a foxgirl.
28-09-2021 05:16:39 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: there were cat ninjas?
28-09-2021 05:17:21 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: (just cats dressed like ninjas)
28-09-2021 05:17:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: ...
28-09-2021 05:17:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Yeah okay
28-09-2021 05:27:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: like there's a difference between cats and ninjas.
28-09-2021 05:28:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: there's also a lot of werid ghosts.
28-09-2021 05:28:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: so need syv in revenant?
28-09-2021 05:31:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Yes, apparently.
28-09-2021 05:31:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I'm busy trying to pirate an RPG I'll never play.
28-09-2021 05:46:02 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: why not pirate something you will play
28-09-2021 05:50:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: also had a very annoying cogmind fight.  Shot a Y-54 guardian about 20 times and never hit core.  It ended up killing itself through overheating.
28-09-2021 05:51:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: which was tough, since it seems just about everything else got shot other than its heatsink.
28-09-2021 05:53:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: It's an RPG inspired by STALKER and apparently focusing on small unit tactics.
28-09-2021 05:53:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: what's it called?
28-09-2021 05:53:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I figured it might have some neat stuff to take from.  Or *maybe* be good enough to actually convert to something playable.
28-09-2021 05:53:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: However, so far, it is awful.
28-09-2021 05:54:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Zone Alfa.
28-09-2021 05:54:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: I think I've heard of that, actually.
28-09-2021 05:55:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: A good chunk is Russian materiel wanking, along with very heavy focus on making the minitatures and environment look good.
28-09-2021 05:55:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Strikes me that it'd be more important to have a companion book saying how to set up a cool scene than to actually give mechanics for shooting things.
28-09-2021 05:56:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: there's a bunch of those, actually.
28-09-2021 05:56:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: russian-esque small unit tactic games that don't really function.
28-09-2021 05:57:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I wonder why.
28-09-2021 05:57:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I'm very happy I didn't pay $20 for this.
28-09-2021 05:58:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: there's a lot of gun fans and that's a quite popular genre?
28-09-2021 05:58:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and making them work is hard?
28-09-2021 06:00:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: True, but there's a lot more genres than russian weapons themed, and small unit tactics is a little unusual as well.
28-09-2021 06:00:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: no, it's like super popular for russian gun fans.
28-09-2021 06:01:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I could see that, but the Russian gun community isn't mine.
28-09-2021 06:01:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Not really very familiar with it.
28-09-2021 06:01:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: all I really know about their culture is that they really love tactical shooters.
28-09-2021 06:02:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: This does have a neat little distintion between soft cover and hard cover.  Soft cover makes it harder to shoot, and gives a bonus to willpower, but doesn't actually reduce damage in any way.  Hard cover does.
28-09-2021 06:02:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I could see doing something like that.
28-09-2021 06:05:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Mm, nah, I like the systems I've already used for that better.
28-09-2021 06:08:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: ...Melee is horribly stilted in favor of the defender, which is the first real mechanical issue I've seen.
28-09-2021 06:09:19 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: come on
28-09-2021 06:09:22 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: in gun system
28-09-2021 06:09:40 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I should be able to just poek pompous gun user
28-09-2021 06:09:43 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and kill em
28-09-2021 06:09:50 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: bam, in the neck
28-09-2021 06:09:51 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ded
28-09-2021 06:10:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: It costs an action for the attacker (probably two since you have to move), and both you and the defender calculate and roll attack numbers the same way.  The defender is allowed to use their attack successes to parry the attackers, *and* to damage the attacker, but the attacker has no mitigation option.
28-09-2021 06:12:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Gunfire can also suppress a unit if it misses, while missed melee attacks are worthless...
28-09-2021 06:12:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Yeah, that's awful.
28-09-2021 06:13:20 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hmm
28-09-2021 06:13:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Unsurprisingly, guns deal more damage, and the best melee weapon is also actually a gun.  A shotgun.
28-09-2021 06:14:38 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: blue move then melee, using both your actions. only if you have a melee-compatable weapon in your hands, requring that you either have a onehanded gun or take a turn to prepare before attacking. Hit kills the enemy, miss grapples preventing the use of twohanded weapons unless they break it.
28-09-2021 06:14:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: ...Which also means if you're using a shotgun, it's easier to parry a guy hitting you with a sword, because your shotgun deals more damage.
28-09-2021 06:15:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: See, that's a reasonable system right there.
28-09-2021 06:16:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: They also give the normal suggest play area as three feet by three feet, and most guns have a range of 36"+
28-09-2021 06:18:32 -!- MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz has joined #einsteinianroulette
28-09-2021 06:18:35 < MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz: lo
28-09-2021 06:19:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Aaaand drugs are ridiculously cheap and very OP, of course.
28-09-2021 06:19:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Yeah this is trash
28-09-2021 06:19:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Hello MJ
28-09-2021 06:20:00 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: druuuugs
28-09-2021 06:20:08 < MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz: hiya
28-09-2021 06:20:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I kinda feel like drugs being OP is realistic
28-09-2021 06:23:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Drugs cost 1, give +2 actions immediately, downside being you can only use one action next turn.  Basic units have one action per turn, highest level units have three.  Even a cheap loadout looks to cost well about 10, and it doesn't seem like you're meant to fight seriously for longer than six turns or so at most.
28-09-2021 06:23:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: So basic units with drugs can be cheaply made half as good as elite units, and elite units with drugs get to frontload their actions to an utterly ridiculous extent.
28-09-2021 06:25:08 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: dakka
28-09-2021 06:27:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: There also doesn't seem to be any real system for overwatch or closing off movement, so a faster unit on drugs can more or less just teleport to any position on the map that they want.
28-09-2021 06:27:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Which really hurts the whole "tactical" selling point.
28-09-2021 06:28:10 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: tactical no anime yes
28-09-2021 06:28:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Tactical game where your units can teleport every turn
28-09-2021 06:28:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I wonder if I could make that work.
28-09-2021 06:32:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: ...I'll look at Rev.
28-09-2021 06:32:57 < MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz: how're people?
28-09-2021 06:33:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: sad
28-09-2021 06:33:10 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: sleepy tbh
28-09-2021 06:33:47 < MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz: I see
28-09-2021 06:37:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: heya jaggers.
28-09-2021 06:38:20 < MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz: hiya dev
28-09-2021 06:38:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and yes, tactical no anime.
28-09-2021 06:38:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Posted
28-09-2021 06:38:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: I've seen characters like that, but they're usually PCs in systems where the opposition isn't supposed to be significant.
28-09-2021 06:39:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I suspect that may actually be the case here.
28-09-2021 06:41:10 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: costs?
28-09-2021 06:41:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: The book has a ridiculous emphasis on story, narrative, and atmosphere.  They have lots of glamour shots of miniatures in custom environments that look like they too, substantially longer to create than an actual play session would take.
28-09-2021 06:41:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Which clearly also were not pictures of actual gameplay.
28-09-2021 06:42:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Also, for something where they spend so much time going on about narrative, there's precisely zero rules for anything that isn't mechanical combat.
28-09-2021 06:43:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Hm, no, there were some rules for skills in noncombat stuff that was supposed to take multiple actions, like defusing bombs.
28-09-2021 06:43:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I skimmed over that part.
28-09-2021 06:43:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: narrative rules?
28-09-2021 06:46:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: yeah, I don't know what costs are.
28-09-2021 06:48:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net:  necromancy costs?
28-09-2021 06:49:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Hmm?
28-09-2021 06:50:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: your rev orders.
28-09-2021 06:51:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Costs for his trolley.
28-09-2021 06:51:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: ahh
28-09-2021 06:51:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: at least it isn't a trolley problem.
28-09-2021 06:57:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: oh, did you catch the advanced cheese?
28-09-2021 06:57:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: should link it for MJ.
28-09-2021 06:58:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: http://youtu.be/1VLDT-gbHFE?t=210
28-09-2021 07:02:55 < MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz: neat
28-09-2021 07:03:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: so want show, MJ?
28-09-2021 07:03:53 < MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz: Nah, I need to go to bed unfortunetlly
28-09-2021 07:04:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: aww
28-09-2021 07:06:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: hmm.
28-09-2021 07:08:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Driveby MJ shows up to tell us he needs to sleep :v
28-09-2021 07:08:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: well he's been here an hour.
28-09-2021 07:10:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: also, hocking legs for bucks.
28-09-2021 07:11:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: lots to experiment with in rev anyway.
28-09-2021 07:14:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and consume whole..
28-09-2021 07:14:16 < MidJag!midjag@131.204.hvh.npz: night
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28-09-2021 07:14:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: have to figure out what's 'good' and what's 'bad.'
28-09-2021 07:18:56 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: good things are good and bad things are bad
28-09-2021 07:20:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: Yeah.  Have to figure it out.
28-09-2021 07:20:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: it sounds like they'll be feedback.
28-09-2021 07:28:09 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: bleb
28-09-2021 07:28:26 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I'm gonna sleep now
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28-09-2021 07:40:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Sleeping sounds like a solid plan.
28-09-2021 07:40:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: heh.
28-09-2021 07:40:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: understandable.
28-09-2021 07:40:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: okay, things turned around in cogmind and currently trying to clear a garrison shallower than I ever have before.
28-09-2021 07:41:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: entered a room and found a pile of gravmag arrays, which are basically giant hover units.
28-09-2021 07:41:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: when I had one damaged leg.
28-09-2021 07:46:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Flier again?
28-09-2021 07:47:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: not really.
28-09-2021 07:48:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: hover units have reasonable weight support and consume much less power than flight units.
28-09-2021 07:48:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: but they're only about half as fast.
28-09-2021 07:49:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: oh damn.
28-09-2021 07:49:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: entirely new robot class.
28-09-2021 07:51:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: oh dear lord that's awful.
28-09-2021 07:51:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: it blows its engine up to strip you of 4 pieces of equipment.
28-09-2021 07:59:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: yeah, it hit both my engines, insta-destroying them, and rendering all my energy weapons useless.
28-09-2021 07:59:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: I did get out of the level, but it wasn't clean.  110 HP left and butt-naked.
28-09-2021 08:00:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: It blew its engine up... to blow up YOUR engine?
28-09-2021 08:00:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Holy shit that's OP
28-09-2021 08:00:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Did you at least get the clear bonus for the garrison?
28-09-2021 08:00:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: yeah.  I hit and scragged the other one, but one got through.
28-09-2021 08:00:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: Yes.
28-09-2021 08:00:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: not the full bonus, but good enough!
28-09-2021 08:01:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: okay, next level wants me to have a chance.  First thing I find, a cooled VTOL module, which lets me move at 2.85 speed.
28-09-2021 08:01:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and an improved gauss cannon.
28-09-2021 08:01:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: which, being an ammo weapon, doesn't use much energy.
28-09-2021 08:04:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: okay..
28-09-2021 08:04:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: improved core analyzer, which lets you sometimes core robots you don't core, and an improved weapon cycler, which doesn't consume ALL THE ENERGY.
28-09-2021 08:05:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: I still need some kind of engine.
28-09-2021 08:05:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: show me a serf-bot.
28-09-2021 08:06:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: ..or the next room could just have eight of them sitting on the ground.
28-09-2021 08:06:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and another propulsion module.
28-09-2021 08:14:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: ooh, Power Sword!
28-09-2021 08:14:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: that's like super-energy efficient.
28-09-2021 08:16:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and a stack of light fission cores, which are just about the perfect engines for a flying build at this difficulty.
28-09-2021 08:16:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: +13 power, not too much heat, decent storage..
28-09-2021 08:18:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: okay, now a transport full of cooled nuclear pulse thrusters, which are about the best propulsion units for a flyer at this level..
28-09-2021 08:20:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: ..and there's an exit, but no.
28-09-2021 08:20:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: it's to a branch.
28-09-2021 08:20:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: I'll die if I go to a branch.
28-09-2021 08:20:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: a branch I've never seen before.
28-09-2021 08:22:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and yup, dead.
28-09-2021 08:22:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: soon as I see an enemy, dead.
28-09-2021 08:24:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: What's a branch?
28-09-2021 08:25:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: stairs can go up to the next level.
28-09-2021 08:26:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: or they can go to a 'branch', which is a level that goes to a side passage.
28-09-2021 08:31:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: going up a level heals your core.
28-09-2021 08:31:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: branch levels often have bonus loot or interesting situations, but don't heal you.
28-09-2021 08:31:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: So it's an investment if you did well on a level and have high core.
28-09-2021 08:31:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Snowballing
28-09-2021 08:32:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: to a degree.
28-09-2021 08:32:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: but not that big a degree.
28-09-2021 08:36:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: You also don't innately know where stairs go, without equipment or a successful terminal hack.
28-09-2021 08:36:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: "It's a pretty flexable plan when Time Traveling Invisible Spaceship is one of the contigencies you have planned for."
28-09-2021 08:42:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: so you find stairs, you go through them, and don't level up.  Whoops!
28-09-2021 08:52:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Thst sounds painful
28-09-2021 08:53:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: well, it's one terminal hack for the whole level to tell you which stairs go up.
28-09-2021 08:53:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: ..or which branch paths the branch stairs go to.
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28-09-2021 09:11:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: Oh man.
28-09-2021 09:11:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: they eliminated mid-picks on dust 2.
28-09-2021 09:11:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: ..what the fuck.
28-09-2021 09:11:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: What?
28-09-2021 09:12:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: I don't understand either term.
28-09-2021 09:13:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: basically they took the most popular counter-strike map, which is damn near 50-50 for balance.  Ie, either side wins half the time.
28-09-2021 09:13:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and made an extremely dramatic change to it that blocks one of the major possible advantages for the attacking side.
28-09-2021 09:14:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: essentially, you have a tiny time window to see the deployment of the defending team across the middle of the map, through a narrow slot between doors.  Certain very fast players can get kills through that, under the right circumstances, if the opponents don't smoke it off.
28-09-2021 09:14:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: It is an attacking side advantage, but since the map is basically completely 50-50, it's fine.
28-09-2021 09:15:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: hrm
28-09-2021 09:15:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: "Certain very fast players"
28-09-2021 09:16:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Is that a common skill at the highest level?  And is it 50:50 at the highest level?
28-09-2021 09:16:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: It's not super rare.
28-09-2021 09:16:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and when you have someone who can do it, it adds up to 2-3 kills over 15 rounds.
28-09-2021 09:17:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: ..unless they smoke.
28-09-2021 09:17:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: so it's basically a slight money tax to the opposing team applied if you have one of those very skilled players.
28-09-2021 09:17:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: The loss of the deployment info is the biggest difference, and that's gonna be huge.
28-09-2021 09:26:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Doesn't sound *that* significant, though of course I don't know CS.
28-09-2021 09:26:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: It sounds like they might dislike that element of gameplay and don't want it to be core to the map.
28-09-2021 09:27:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: It's quite significant, and will probably swing the map to being 55-60% CT.
28-09-2021 09:27:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: and of course it's because they hate midpicks.
28-09-2021 09:28:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: They've been around decades and new players hate them, and they're hell against cheaters.
28-09-2021 09:28:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: They're quite significant balance-wise, but that doesn't matter.
28-09-2021 09:37:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: also, nto sure what the plan is in extinction.
28-09-2021 09:37:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: People haven't agreed.
28-09-2021 09:37:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Want me to just give a concrete plan?
28-09-2021 09:40:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: I'd like to do it tomorrow, but there's no immediate hurry.
28-09-2021 09:40:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: If there isn't one I'll make proposals and have a vote.
28-09-2021 09:41:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Alright.
28-09-2021 09:50:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: Zultan got back to me.
28-09-2021 09:50:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: says he was really impressed by the trence-as-dragon twist.
28-09-2021 09:55:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Heh
28-09-2021 10:01:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: in general it's just way more epic than he was expecting.
28-09-2021 10:09:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Understandable.  It's an epic story... and most SGs are really pretty plain.
28-09-2021 10:10:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: stuff isn't big, or if it is big, it's an illusion?
28-09-2021 10:28:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@aanf-4k0xa7tw67srcdh3qoj6c4qre.ipv4.telus.net: also, Zultan has absolutely no idea what's going to happen and it'll be fun to watch.
28-09-2021 10:37:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@gonsms-013-529-031-20.mycingular.net: Mhm.
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