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24-04-2021 02:48:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: heyo
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24-04-2021 03:44:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: heyo.
24-04-2021 03:49:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: heyo.
24-04-2021 03:49:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Was gonna play Valheim with the other two.
24-04-2021 03:49:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Buuut I forgot my laptop's power cablr.
24-04-2021 03:49:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: whoops.
24-04-2021 03:52:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Now I get to be bored.  :(
24-04-2021 03:52:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: well, could do alleg practice, but I suspect that'd eat the laptop too.
24-04-2021 03:52:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: so that's out.  ;-p
24-04-2021 03:53:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: could natter for some time about woof.
24-04-2021 03:55:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: could maybe dig you up some link.
24-04-2021 03:55:19 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: woof!
24-04-2021 03:56:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: hey, you past on the liongame.
24-04-2021 03:56:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: don't have another one ready yet.
24-04-2021 03:56:31 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: woof woof woof
24-04-2021 03:57:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: next SG is Ascent.
24-04-2021 03:57:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: hmm, maybe I can let you finish out that situation.
24-04-2021 03:58:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: ..I did tell you that was the name for testgame, right, ER?
24-04-2021 03:58:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: or am I a moron?
24-04-2021 03:58:51 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: for what?
24-04-2021 03:59:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: for forgetting to tell you the name of Tesgame.
24-04-2021 03:59:58 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: you had a testgame?
24-04-2021 04:00:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: ..Yeah.
24-04-2021 04:00:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: ..you might want to check your PM box.
24-04-2021 04:02:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: You were recieving the updates..
24-04-2021 04:09:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Hah
24-04-2021 04:17:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: welp.
24-04-2021 04:17:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: well, unless ER's kidding, there's something.
24-04-2021 04:17:54 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I am very distractable
24-04-2021 04:18:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: I'm also really really stupid.
24-04-2021 04:22:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: >doubt
24-04-2021 05:10:19 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: drought
24-04-2021 05:11:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: Was it triangle, x or square to doubt?
24-04-2021 05:11:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: (never actually played that, only watched a LP)
24-04-2021 05:11:26 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: x
24-04-2021 05:11:33 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: x on xbox
24-04-2021 05:11:44 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: which is... square?
24-04-2021 05:11:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Yes.
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24-04-2021 06:28:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: square.. or square enix?
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24-04-2021 07:34:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: I want to run a PvP tactics game where you have to buy soldiers, their training, and their equipment, all from the same pool of money.
24-04-2021 07:35:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and not have it be horribly unbalanced?
24-04-2021 07:36:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: PvP, it's inherently balanced because it's equally broken for everyone.
24-04-2021 07:43:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: somehow never seems to work out that way.
24-04-2021 07:44:14 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah, one asshole brings 2000 jeeps~
24-04-2021 07:51:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: From my perspective, someone doing something that's as ludicrous and effective as that would be a success.
24-04-2021 07:52:14 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: well do it then
24-04-2021 07:52:31 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I'll blow all my money on one catgirl hero unit, how's that?
24-04-2021 07:53:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Sure!
24-04-2021 09:36:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: I think I've probably written like ten gun tactics system at this point.
24-04-2021 09:36:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Seems like I work on two or three a year...
24-04-2021 09:37:06 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I'm sure you'll get it eventually~
24-04-2021 09:38:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: gun cata
24-04-2021 09:48:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yay, beat the first mission of this on master difficulty
24-04-2021 09:48:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: makes ya fear bullets >.>
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24-04-2021 11:10:12 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: why is it that alt-tabbing a game at the wrong moment has the potential to basically crash windows
24-04-2021 11:16:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Do you mean *literally* crash, or do you mean "screw with the UI enough that you can't seem to do anything"?
24-04-2021 11:16:16 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the latter
24-04-2021 11:16:26 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: black screen, pretty much
24-04-2021 11:24:55 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: alright, beat the second level on master difficulty
24-04-2021 11:25:12 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: having a surprising amount of fun playing on max difficulty
24-04-2021 11:25:24 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: that's not usually what happens :p
24-04-2021 11:39:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@174-659-056-673.biz.spectrum.com: Be back later.
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24-04-2021 12:20:16 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: <3
24-04-2021 12:20:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Hello
24-04-2021 12:20:55 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hallo
24-04-2021 12:21:05 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: this game is hard when it's hard
24-04-2021 12:21:11 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: but making progress!~
24-04-2021 12:48:56 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: intense
24-04-2021 12:49:22 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: three levels on master done
24-04-2021 13:07:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Aaaand done.
24-04-2021 13:07:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Are you sure that's wise, ER?
24-04-2021 13:07:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Soon you'll be done with the game and will then be sad there's no more to play.
24-04-2021 13:07:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Also it's nine AM.
24-04-2021 13:16:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: done for now
24-04-2021 13:16:59 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ooh
24-04-2021 13:17:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I just sent a PM, hey.
24-04-2021 13:17:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Don't be excited.
24-04-2021 13:17:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: It's syv inanity.
24-04-2021 13:18:30 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I don't see vehicles. How am I supposed to drop giant robots on my enemies like this?
24-04-2021 13:18:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Second to last spoiler.
24-04-2021 13:18:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: No robots, but you could just pretend an IFV is a robot.
24-04-2021 13:25:46 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: no cost or weight for a pistol-compact
24-04-2021 13:25:57 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: so any unit may as well have it as backup
24-04-2021 13:26:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Yes.
24-04-2021 13:26:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Not suuuure about that being wise, but it's damage 3, so...
24-04-2021 13:27:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: You can suppress with it, I guess.
24-04-2021 13:36:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I think I should make it so suppressing gets a free attack roll.
24-04-2021 13:38:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Eh, will see what Dev thinks.  Maybe he'll come up with different exploits.
24-04-2021 13:38:40 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: do clumsy and nimble cancel each other out?
24-04-2021 13:39:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Yep!
24-04-2021 13:40:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Suppressors aren't exactly useful with nimble, so...
24-04-2021 13:42:18 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: is it not possible to add a supressor to weapons that already have clumsy?
24-04-2021 13:42:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I was figuring it'd be possible, though that's a bit OP considering.
24-04-2021 13:43:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I'd prolly say they're impossible to use at clumsy ranges, so they have a counter.  Not much of a counter, but a counter.
24-04-2021 13:48:47 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hmm, time to send two unarmored commanders in trucks armed only with pistols
24-04-2021 13:50:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: That... seems very unwise.
24-04-2021 13:50:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Actually less practical than catgirl greatsword.
24-04-2021 13:52:10 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: sent
24-04-2021 13:52:34 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: big health. big damage.
24-04-2021 13:53:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I... am not sure whether or not that's overpowered.
24-04-2021 13:55:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Suppose if you're going to use a vehicle, I should say more about them.  I was debating whether or not the driver would be able to fire.  Probably should, so you don't need two commanders just to use your mounted gun.
24-04-2021 13:56:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I figured mounted guns also shouldn't get the move penalty.
24-04-2021 13:56:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Also, all vehicles should get one more move than they have.  APCs being equal speed to infantry defeats their purpose.
24-04-2021 13:57:04 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: a commander in power armor is slightly tankier than an APC :p
24-04-2021 13:57:31 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: both have 20 HP, the APC has 4 armor while the armor has 5
24-04-2021 13:58:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Mm, yes.  Not too bugged by that.
24-04-2021 14:01:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Hmm.  Vehicles are troublesome due to commander mechanics.  Perhaps I *should* require more people to operate the guns, and give them a special exception that commanders can order their dummies to fire without firing themselves.
24-04-2021 14:02:42 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I assumed that the cost included a handwaved crew who can't do anything but drive
24-04-2021 14:03:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Nope!  That'd definitely be overpowered, wouldn't even need commanders then.
24-04-2021 14:03:36 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the commander isn't driving, just telling the crew where to go
24-04-2021 14:03:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Eh, I'll think about it more another time.
24-04-2021 14:04:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: You can have your one-man sniper APC.
24-04-2021 14:13:15 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah, otherwise can't really build an APC on 20 points
24-04-2021 14:13:27 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: which might be a good thing, but I wanted to try~
24-04-2021 14:14:17 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: mm, could do commander, one mook, launcher and two shots?
24-04-2021 14:15:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Not a bad idea.
24-04-2021 14:15:35 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: much better than 20 undirected mooks with pistols who just sort of hope that the enemy wanders into range
24-04-2021 14:15:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Shorter range than your sniper APC, and a little less damage, but AoE and guaranteed hits.
24-04-2021 14:16:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Twenty pistol mooks would rip an APC to shreds, though.
24-04-2021 14:17:16 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: only thanks to the at least 1 damage rule
24-04-2021 14:17:33 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: also I would just be able to kite them
24-04-2021 14:17:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: A commander plus fifteen mooks would eaaaasily kill your sniper APC, while being nigh instantly destroyed by a launcher APC.  But you'd wreck the launcher APC in two shots, while it'd need three to kill you.
24-04-2021 14:17:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I was figuring missions would be objective oriented.
24-04-2021 14:18:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: "Get thing, defend thing"
24-04-2021 14:18:19 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: well, 20 mooks can's do that
24-04-2021 14:19:13 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: commander + mooks might be able to have its units spread out seeing the APC coming?
24-04-2021 14:19:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: True, commander can order them away so a launcher doesn't oneshot them.
24-04-2021 14:20:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Though they'd need more than pistols, else the launcher would just outrange them.
24-04-2021 14:21:07 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah, I think a good number of dummies with cheap but non-compact weapons would be good
24-04-2021 14:21:38 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: pistol-assaults for big supresses, perhaps
24-04-2021 14:32:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I'm remindee of that memey tactical meguca game I wrote up, where the only zero-cost weapon was a heavy AK that slamfired its full mag every time you used it.
24-04-2021 14:33:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: It slowed you down, but if you ran out of ammo for all other guns you'd be forced to pick one up, because a wish made it impossible for anyone to *not* be carrying a firearm.
24-04-2021 14:33:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: And that one was the default which would appear if you were unarmed.
24-04-2021 14:33:56 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: being muguca is inflicting suffering on everybody
24-04-2021 14:34:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: "Everyone must always have a firearm [and firearms will appear to arm anyone unarmed]" is probably my favorite awful wish.
24-04-2021 14:35:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I want to have that in a game, and have people abuse it horribly.
24-04-2021 14:48:43 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: slap the gun out of someone's hands to overencumber them?
24-04-2021 14:52:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Yes.
24-04-2021 15:17:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Think I'll give Precision weapons +1 cost next iteration.  Right now they're just better than assaults.  +1d/r and accurate in trade for autofire which disables you next round.
24-04-2021 15:17:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Kind've a relic of messing around with how suppression works.
24-04-2021 15:19:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Maybe +1 weight for precise, too.
24-04-2021 15:21:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Yeah, then pistol precise and light assault are comparable; -1 damage in trade for accurate.  And at a place where -1 damage is a breakpoint.
24-04-2021 15:21:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: precise does seem often better than suppress, but that might just be me~
24-04-2021 15:22:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Going to buff suppress, too.
24-04-2021 15:23:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: On suppression, you get to make an attack as normal.  Then the penalty and autohit still apply.
24-04-2021 15:24:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: 25% hit chance with MGs, buuut you still get a disable that they have to sacrifice someone to get rid of.
24-04-2021 15:27:45 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ah, good old running overwatch
24-04-2021 15:27:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: It also puts precision heavies to 5W, which can't be carried without slowdown or power armor.
24-04-2021 15:28:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Or vehicles.
24-04-2021 15:45:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: oh, PMs.
24-04-2021 15:46:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Good morning, Dev.
24-04-2021 15:47:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: heya syv.
24-04-2021 15:47:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: dunno if I'm up for it.. maybe later, okay?
24-04-2021 15:49:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Yeah yeah, I'm not making anything more until tomorrow.
24-04-2021 15:50:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Tonight for you.
24-04-2021 15:50:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: heya dev.
24-04-2021 15:52:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: although first look looks like someone with a heavy supress weapon, someoen with a medium precise weapon, and a few guys with light assault weapons.  Pistols for everyone (aimed for zero weight and cost), and armour to fill out remaining points.
24-04-2021 15:52:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: so probably what you want me to pick.  ;-p
24-04-2021 15:53:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: they'd all be dummies.
24-04-2021 15:55:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: but looks..
24-04-2021 15:55:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: surprisingly simple, really.
24-04-2021 15:56:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I was trying to go for simplicity, since I always make things too complex.
24-04-2021 15:57:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I ideally wanted it to encourage a variety of weapons, though I don't think that's _actually_ optimal.  Balancing is definitely odd.
24-04-2021 15:57:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: *off
24-04-2021 16:00:49 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: you probably want medium supresses, not heavy ones
24-04-2021 16:01:30 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: a weapon that's only really useful for supressing AND can only do so every other turn ain't super great
24-04-2021 16:02:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Heavy suppress is nice because of the long range.
24-04-2021 16:02:55 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: wait, can we give dummies arbitrary standing orders?
24-04-2021 16:02:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Unlike other suppression weapons, you can't ignore it, and you can't charge it... unless it's a small force.
24-04-2021 16:03:00 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: or just what's listed
24-04-2021 16:03:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Nope!  You can just leave them and tell them _not_ to do certain things.
24-04-2021 16:04:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: mmm, missed that part.
24-04-2021 16:04:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: that is a fair point, ER.
24-04-2021 16:04:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: not sure if it's right, but that's a fair point.
24-04-2021 16:04:35 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: also, guess we just wrapped up that tomb of horrors campaign
24-04-2021 16:04:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: oh, how'd that go?
24-04-2021 16:05:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: anyone die to the sphere of annhiliation?
24-04-2021 16:05:08 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: we were down to two players, we both walked into a teleport trap which put us back at the entrance completely naked
24-04-2021 16:05:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: Hah, that one.
24-04-2021 16:05:19 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: we tried to go back to get our stuff but it was gone
24-04-2021 16:05:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: I think it gets teleported somewhere else.
24-04-2021 16:06:01 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: my character was a wizard and losing her spellbook is kind of fucking crippling, so she made a water elemental and has it kill her to return home via Clone
24-04-2021 16:06:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: ...Wow, that's something.
24-04-2021 16:07:13 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I kinda knew about the sphere of annihilation so I made sure to poke it with a stick and the measure the stick
24-04-2021 16:08:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: Tomb of horrors wasn't intended to play fair, syv.
24-04-2021 16:08:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I didn't mean ToH, I know about ToH.
24-04-2021 16:08:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I mean summoning a monster to kill yourself so your clone wakes up at home.
24-04-2021 16:10:04 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: She preferred that to maybe dying in the wilderness
24-04-2021 16:10:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and the next time she slept, no more spells
24-04-2021 16:12:01 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: also had the elemental carry her further away from the island in the off chance here was some kind of area soul trap or something
24-04-2021 16:12:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: That'd be a neat way to do a lich.
24-04-2021 16:12:44 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: would be unfortunate to die of the elements and then NOT wake up home
24-04-2021 16:16:24 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: oh yeah, me doing APC and Dev doing an actual balanced squad does work out, doesn't it?
24-04-2021 16:18:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Indeed.
24-04-2021 16:20:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: I think I win due to you doing overkill damage and me bringing heavy enough weapons to hurt the APC.
24-04-2021 16:20:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: but it's a tactical game.
24-04-2021 16:20:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: so not settled immediate4ly.
24-04-2021 16:21:04 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I didn't plan on fighting you
24-04-2021 16:21:24 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: if that's the case then yeah, I should probably reconsider~
24-04-2021 16:21:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Oh, yeah, I already wrote up the situation you'll be in for the actual fight.
24-04-2021 16:21:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Town occupied by NPC team built by me, you're allied with each other.
24-04-2021 16:22:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: PVP was right in the name.
24-04-2021 16:22:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I think that's best for testing since nobody knows the system.
24-04-2021 16:22:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: and no, I didn't build that specifically for anyone.  ;-p
24-04-2021 16:23:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I think an actual PvP fight would be better with more points.  20 is really pretty limiting, since just having two action point units is half your budget.
24-04-2021 16:23:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: no commanders!
24-04-2021 16:23:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: But 'tis good for a test.
24-04-2021 16:23:39 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: What's best for vehicles? Probably the weapon I have mounted, basically an antimaterial rifle
24-04-2021 16:23:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Hah
24-04-2021 16:24:43 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: vs vehicles, that is
24-04-2021 16:24:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: vs vehicles something heavy that can suppress.
24-04-2021 16:25:27 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: vehicles don't really suffer from supression, though
24-04-2021 16:25:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: yeah, but they take auto damage.
24-04-2021 16:25:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Suppression autohits vehicles.
24-04-2021 16:25:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: and it can target squares.
24-04-2021 16:25:57 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: they're 2+ to hit normally
24-04-2021 16:26:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Which is still worse than autohit.  ;P
24-04-2021 16:26:30 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: so you're paying your next turn's action for no 1/6 to miss
24-04-2021 16:26:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: It's also potentially double hit.
24-04-2021 16:26:47 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: unless you're a medium supress, but that;s less damage
24-04-2021 16:27:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: 2+ isn't bad either.
24-04-2021 16:27:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: fair point.
24-04-2021 16:27:13 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: well yeah, it would be better with the rules which aren't these rules :P
24-04-2021 16:27:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: No, no
24-04-2021 16:27:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: The revised rules would be... triple hit?  Damn
24-04-2021 16:27:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Lemme check what I wrote
24-04-2021 16:28:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: "Suppression automatically deals damage to them, but they take no other penalties from it."
24-04-2021 16:28:24 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I thought "automatically deals damage to them" meant it doesn't stack with if they move
24-04-2021 16:28:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Ahh, that's ambiguous, and does suggest it's only damaging once.
24-04-2021 16:28:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: effectively, vehicles are too fat to take cover in the first place
24-04-2021 16:28:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Yeah, I intended that they'd get both penalties, though that doesn't make much sense.
24-04-2021 16:29:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Hrum.
24-04-2021 16:29:23 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: auto damage + a 2+ to hit seems good
24-04-2021 16:29:50 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: heavy supress has the same damage output as the heavy precision, basically, but more burst
24-04-2021 16:30:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Suppression's annoying.  My first pass, it dealt guaranteed chip damage, and wouldn't end after hitting someone.  Only way to end it would be to disable the suppressor somehow yourself.
24-04-2021 16:30:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: But that's OP and has no real counterplay, so I removed the chip and made it end on the first real shot.
24-04-2021 16:31:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I don't want to remove their inaccuracy, since that prevents moving and suppressing, and I don't want to make A1 weapons *not* have the offturn, because it's interesting and lets your opponent plan around it.
24-04-2021 16:32:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Maybe I should make suppress weapons +1 cost instead of +2...?
24-04-2021 16:32:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Ahhh, we'll see.
24-04-2021 16:32:25 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: could turn it into a game where supression is ideal and the strat is in feeding ammo to your supressors, but that would be a different game
24-04-2021 16:32:30 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: :p
24-04-2021 16:32:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: WW1 Tactics.
24-04-2021 16:33:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Initially I had much more complex ammo stuff, but I realized it'd be easy to screw up updating every gun's ammo totals.
24-04-2021 16:33:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: So I switched to this system, which is pretty streamlined.
24-04-2021 16:33:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: also seems extinction inspired.
24-04-2021 16:33:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: (Tired)
24-04-2021 16:34:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: No, actually.  At least not that.  The group shenanigans kinda are, though.
24-04-2021 16:34:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: hmm?
24-04-2021 16:34:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I was working on a gunplay system somewhat inspired by Extinction a bit ago, where attacks were hit-one, hit-group, hit-all
24-04-2021 16:35:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Suppression here is somewhat a derivation of that.
24-04-2021 16:35:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Along with the desire to force grouping through commanders and dummies, though THAT also has other influences.
24-04-2021 16:35:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: mmm.
24-04-2021 16:36:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: and yes, hit one hit group hit all.
24-04-2021 16:36:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: that's half stolen from early Dragon Warriors, which worked like that.  Along with a number of very early dungeon crawlers.
24-04-2021 16:36:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: non-roguelike dungeon crawlers.
24-04-2021 16:36:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: It's a good system.
24-04-2021 16:39:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: not mine, not really.
24-04-2021 16:42:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Maybe if suppression doesn't end after you shoot someone, it's just that only the first guy to flee takes damage.  Then it's forcing disadvantage, which is worthwhile.  Hum.
24-04-2021 16:42:44 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I assumed that was how it worked?
24-04-2021 16:43:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Nope!  You can currently suicide a dummy to remove suppression from the rest of the squad.
24-04-2021 16:43:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: ...Ehh, I like that.  Don't want to remove that.
24-04-2021 16:44:44 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hmm
24-04-2021 16:45:31 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: if you supress a supression role weapon, they're disabled by double-disadvantage
24-04-2021 16:45:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I could also balance precision by buffing hitrate.  If base is 3+, then advantage means less, while disadvantage is still meaningful because you can be suppressed into uselessness.
24-04-2021 16:45:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: And yes.
24-04-2021 16:45:47 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: but a precise or assault weapon doesn't care
24-04-2021 16:46:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Yep.
24-04-2021 16:46:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: That's all intentional (and is why suppress gives +1 range).
24-04-2021 16:46:42 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: so a MG + AR does better ing hte supression war than 2 MG
24-04-2021 16:47:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Only thing I dislike is the precision goes down to 50/50 when suppressed, so only *somewhat* affected.
24-04-2021 16:50:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: The idea there is that ARs can start suppression changes, being able to move and suppress offensively, while MGs can lock things down mostly continually.
24-04-2021 16:51:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Though with how beefy units are, along with random targeting, it might be bad.
24-04-2021 16:55:47 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net thinks
24-04-2021 17:00:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Ehhhh I'll figure it all out tomorrow.
24-04-2021 17:57:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Yeah, I think I'll just go back to suppression having hit-all chip damage.  Then it's functionally a counter to large groups, and also can't be neutered by attaching two unequipped dummies whose sole pupose is fleeing and absorbing hits.  While it's countered by armoring your people, which is what precision *should* be good at dealing with.
24-04-2021 17:58:56 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: is chip damage reducable to 0?
24-04-2021 18:01:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: "I think all our runners are good"
24-04-2021 18:01:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: That would seem to defeat the purpose.
24-04-2021 18:01:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: (Someones screws up right there)
24-04-2021 18:02:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: Except that one.
24-04-2021 18:02:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: The weakest units have 8 HP, so 1 HP damage isn't meaningful... mostly.
24-04-2021 18:03:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: I figure maybe half damage?
24-04-2021 18:06:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Did he actually say "Except that one"?
24-04-2021 18:06:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: Yes.
24-04-2021 18:06:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: was hilarious.
24-04-2021 18:06:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: tone was fine.
24-04-2021 18:06:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: and it had an OOOOOOH after it.
24-04-2021 18:08:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@kwyojm-637-693-103-725.mycingular.net: Hehehe.
24-04-2021 18:29:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: yeah.
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24-04-2021 18:47:42 -!- ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
24-04-2021 20:25:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: Nah, it was an "Except that" not that one.
24-04-2021 20:25:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@vles-5f4iw9lg1ywwf06a5a820vekt.ipv6.telus.net: https://youtu.be/U26Bf3P48aM?t=2359
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