29-08-2020 00:14:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: PS, eh.
29-08-2020 00:23:03 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ps!!!
29-08-2020 00:44:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: !?
29-08-2020 00:44:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: !!!?
29-08-2020 01:13:35 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: 2443, bounty run
29-08-2020 02:14:54 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: tired
29-08-2020 02:14:58 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: much love
29-08-2020 02:15:13 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: specially to syv
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29-08-2020 02:30:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Love is appreciated.
29-08-2020 02:43:38 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: have all the love you want then!
29-08-2020 02:44:33 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: from me, from sophia, from weillste, from all my weird murderhobo dark souls characters...
29-08-2020 02:45:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: lso
29-08-2020 02:46:30 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: still want to run like five different games to the point that I can't just pick one but I feel the need to explain the deep lore of the dungeon crawly one
29-08-2020 02:47:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I think I would appreciate a hug from any of those characters, yeah.
29-08-2020 02:47:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Go ahead, I always like your lore.
29-08-2020 02:48:28 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: at the time of the game, it's been half a century since the great war, which was fought between the wizarding association which controlled the world, and legions of paladins, many of them abberations mutated by wizard science, and fueled by the justness of their cause
29-08-2020 02:49:34 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: today things are relatively peaceful. the paladin order is a worldwide organization which does itse best to keep people safe and prevent anyone from practicing wizardy
29-08-2020 02:50:52 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: but the remains of the wizarding establishment still remain, in cursed places, old research sites, and battlefields where the remains of the war still restlessly pace
29-08-2020 02:51:54 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and these are dungeons. They come in all shapes and sizes, but they're everywhere and most likely a profit of some kind can be made going into them
29-08-2020 02:52:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Are wizards all evil?
29-08-2020 02:54:16 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Just possessing that knowledge could be done by anyone, and wizardy spells are a bit janky and bad for the enviroment, but their efffects are morally neutral
29-08-2020 02:54:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: you would not have to be evil to become a wizard, and being a wizard would not alone make you evil
29-08-2020 02:55:15 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: though absolute mortality isn't quite at play, anyways
29-08-2020 02:55:38 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the gods are still around, and they're pretty much pissed at all the players involved
29-08-2020 02:56:46 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the kind of magic that the paladins banned includes clerical and druidic magic, which use the same prenciples as wizardy but use them differently
29-08-2020 02:57:10 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: so the gods are pissed that paladins are keeping people from doing holy magic
29-08-2020 02:57:34 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: but they were also pissed at the wizards who were blatantly messing with nature
29-08-2020 02:58:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Wait, Paladins banned holy magic?
29-08-2020 02:59:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: And the gods dislike them?
29-08-2020 02:59:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: That seems... unusual.
29-08-2020 02:59:49 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: but yeah, there are two types of magic, really. Source, drawing from your own power, and Enviromental, changing and utilizing the world around you. paladins and sorcerers use Source, while wizards cleric and druids use enviromental
29-08-2020 03:00:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: The paladins don't gain their power from any god, but from the strength of their convictions. And they will put mortal life above the gods
29-08-2020 03:02:42 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: you could maybe call them just a bunch of stuck-up sorcerers, if you wanted to make them mad
29-08-2020 03:03:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Philosophy Paladins?
29-08-2020 03:03:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Phil Pals?
29-08-2020 03:04:29 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: for the good of -mankind- sapients and also FUCK WIZARDS
29-08-2020 03:05:36 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: naturally, it's very possible that a player character or two will be a wizard
29-08-2020 03:06:57 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the ability to freely bend the laws of reality to your whims is balanced by the angry fullplate boys with the power of freindship who remember what happend when there were too many people like you.
29-08-2020 03:09:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Would some of the players *also* be paladins?
29-08-2020 03:10:02 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: depends!
29-08-2020 03:10:45 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: the way it works if that some characters are rolled with professions and goals and such, and player 1 picks one of those characters
29-08-2020 03:11:49 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and then as an option of preperation, player1 can recruit an addditional player as an ally, who also picks a character
29-08-2020 03:12:57 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: so paladin working with wizard would be the result of people intentionally putting those characters together, and they would have compatable goals in the same dungeon
29-08-2020 03:13:22 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and the wizard could try to keep its wizardness secret when paladins are watching
29-08-2020 03:16:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Oh, that's a pretty interesting mechanic!
29-08-2020 03:16:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: So two players only?
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29-08-2020 03:16:47 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: nah, you can keep recruiting
29-08-2020 03:17:01 < Elasticly_Rigid!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Basically it costs gold
29-08-2020 03:17:35 < Elasticly_Rigid!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: But it's possible to go positive on gold if you find a noble or something
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29-08-2020 03:20:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: "Let's take an antiquarian into the dungeon!  They'll find us more awesome loot!"
29-08-2020 03:21:20 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: 5 gold base, +2 for middle social class, +0 for low, +5 for wealthy. Noble or merchant jobs give more as well.
29-08-2020 03:21:49 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Costs 2 gold to add a PC, and they don't get the 5 base.
29-08-2020 03:22:59 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: So net neutral gold value if you get a middle commoner, in essense you've givin them their base 2 gold.
29-08-2020 03:23:59 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: If you pick up a noble, you overall gain money for the expedition, which could let you bring even more characters
29-08-2020 03:24:41 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: At the cost of having everything footed by a clueless rich guy
29-08-2020 03:27:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Though "clueless rich guy" is a bit meaningless if it's a player character, they're likely no more clueless than the other players.
29-08-2020 03:27:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Would nobles have mechanics to make them more of a hundrance?
29-08-2020 03:30:14 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Worse stats from profession
29-08-2020 03:30:35 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Less able to defend self, basically
29-08-2020 03:31:18 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Also generally players are either okay at roleplaying or are potato useless regardless of role
29-08-2020 03:32:22 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Also importantly
29-08-2020 03:32:45 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Does Incite buff passives
29-08-2020 03:34:22 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Cuz one idea would be to harness the delicious rp anger and channel that into the ability to just walk through like a couple badasses with overloaded immaculate soul
29-08-2020 03:34:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: No, it doesn't.
29-08-2020 03:35:04 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: IS *seems* to be usable to keep footing.
29-08-2020 03:35:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Passives don't scale off anything besides level in general.
29-08-2020 03:35:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: IS is very odd and variable and I don't like thinking about it.  ;-;
29-08-2020 03:36:57 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Will my chances going through the whirl be improved if they engage in a passionate embrace before entering
29-08-2020 03:40:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: If you're passionately embracing while going through the whirlpool that will improve your chances of not being separated, mostly for physics reasons.
29-08-2020 03:41:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: It may also improve your chances of getting laid.
29-08-2020 03:41:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Beyond those two things, no, I don't think there's a great deal of benefit to be had.
29-08-2020 03:42:45 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Sounds pretty significant to me
29-08-2020 03:44:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Since when do *you* care about getting laid?
29-08-2020 03:48:57 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I dunno, it seems like it could be beneficial
29-08-2020 03:51:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Strictly speaking, falling in love is a bad thing for magical girls.
29-08-2020 03:52:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Magical girls are all about sustain, and young love is usually a big power bump followed by a big depression when it doesn't work out.
29-08-2020 03:53:45 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Trading life for happiness is valid
29-08-2020 03:55:30 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: And hey, significant boost to both if it works.
29-08-2020 03:56:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I wonder if I should make it canon that the most powerful MGs in history were lesbians.  I suppose it's logical.
29-08-2020 03:56:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: And love stories are, like, cheating as far as making people like them.
29-08-2020 03:57:46 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Just look at literally the thing your game is based off of.
29-08-2020 03:58:34 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Death, entropy, and suffering: the love story!
29-08-2020 03:58:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Yeah.  -.-
29-08-2020 03:59:05 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Better tale than romeo and juliet tbh
29-08-2020 03:59:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Romeo and Juliet is just a really common story that actually happens, so easy to empathize with and therefore enjoy.
29-08-2020 04:00:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Also, waaaay far back in history, so done to death ever since.
29-08-2020 04:01:28 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Not sure why anyone would consume a story about things that really happen
29-08-2020 04:02:01 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: You have to at least add some mecha to keep things interesting.
29-08-2020 04:03:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Some of my favorite stories have been about things that really happen.
29-08-2020 04:03:45 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Can't agree~
29-08-2020 04:07:21 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Yer garden variety tragic take can be improved by some EXPLOSITION
29-08-2020 04:10:05 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Why am I still here just to suffer?
29-08-2020 04:10:14 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Putting...
29-08-2020 04:10:17 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Down...
29-08-2020 04:10:22 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Phone...
29-08-2020 04:10:27 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ...now...
29-08-2020 04:12:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Goodnight.
29-08-2020 04:12:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Sleep well.
29-08-2020 04:26:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: 'l
29-08-2020 04:26:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: 'lo
29-08-2020 04:27:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: heys syv.
29-08-2020 04:27:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: 'lo
29-08-2020 04:27:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: heys dev.
29-08-2020 04:28:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: I'll upkate k-com this weekend.  Probably tomorrow and if needed sunday night.
29-08-2020 04:34:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I should prolly post, then.
29-08-2020 04:51:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: That would help, yes.
29-08-2020 05:23:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: welp, more extinction.
29-08-2020 05:25:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Always a good thing.
29-08-2020 05:26:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: yeah.
29-08-2020 05:27:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: I'm glad you guys are having fun.
29-08-2020 05:27:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: There's one big advantage that I'm wondering if you guys have realized yet.
29-08-2020 05:36:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: The most obvious huge advantage we have is that we're on the defensive and have a chunky health bar.
29-08-2020 05:36:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Kaiju gotta wreck a LOT of cities to win, we just have to get up to a point where we're breaking even in fighta/
29-08-2020 05:37:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: ...You prolly mean extinction.
29-08-2020 05:37:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Nah, I dunno.  It has the feel of a call to heroism, where we're kinda just going to win regardless.
29-08-2020 05:45:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Hah!
29-08-2020 05:45:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Nah, not going to happen that way.  It's easy to start with, but things will get harder.  You're still in tutorial land, but I'll open up the possibility of dying as soon as you get to this guy's papers.
29-08-2020 05:45:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: because that's where the game really was going to start in some ways.
29-08-2020 06:05:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: It's still wrong to have dragon warrior music over a final fantasy ad.
29-08-2020 06:05:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: dammit.
29-08-2020 07:58:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: If I have shadowclaw research a +range modkit which uses K-fat, and then he finishes the design and sent the design to me, would I have to spend a unit of K-fat when copying over the design so that I can manufacture it?
29-08-2020 08:06:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: no, not for copying a blueprint.
29-08-2020 08:06:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: yes for building one.
29-08-2020 08:07:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Okay.
29-08-2020 08:08:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Can I get a time estimate on how long it'd take to make a general application +range modkit with an upper limit of B?
29-08-2020 08:08:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: for everything?
29-08-2020 08:09:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Yeah, not limited to jets, because Shadowclaw doesn't have that design.
29-08-2020 08:09:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: at least a year.
29-08-2020 08:09:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Uh.
29-08-2020 08:09:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: And if he *did* have the jet design, and made it only work with jets?
29-08-2020 08:10:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: about three, four months.
29-08-2020 08:11:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Add in a kbit to it?  Eh, that's not getting down to one month, is it?
29-08-2020 08:12:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: unlikely, yeah.
29-08-2020 08:12:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Well, there goes that plan.
29-08-2020 08:13:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: At this point it sounds like just making stronger artillery pieces is the way to go.
29-08-2020 08:13:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Something quick and useful.
29-08-2020 08:13:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: sounds like fun for the next good aoe weapon..  ;-p
29-08-2020 08:14:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Please.
29-08-2020 08:14:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Artillery will be used regardless, because people use artillery.
29-08-2020 08:14:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, it's fine
29-08-2020 08:14:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: It's hardly putting a lot of baskets in one egg if he spends two months making better arty.
29-08-2020 08:14:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: I could say that about literally any choice for weapons systems.. there's a lot of variety in kaiju weapons.
29-08-2020 08:15:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: What's the flaw of tanks?
29-08-2020 08:15:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: low firepower to cost, mostly.
29-08-2020 08:15:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Not by a huge amount?
29-08-2020 08:15:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: you've got the stats, you know they're very pricy compared to arty.
29-08-2020 08:16:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Jets are D/E with ammo short, versus tanks' E/E with huge stats everywhere.
29-08-2020 08:16:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Flier and speed are some of the jet markup.
29-08-2020 08:16:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: But unless tanks are being sold almost at-cost...
29-08-2020 08:17:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Jeez, Obselete tanks are E across the board.  Every stat.
29-08-2020 08:17:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Hmm.
29-08-2020 08:17:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: It's not none, but the markup is much less than for jets.
29-08-2020 08:17:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Jets have a huge markup.
29-08-2020 08:17:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Actually, yeah, that's prolly it.  150 or 125 to manufacture obseletes, 175 or 200 for moderns.
29-08-2020 08:19:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Speed is both top speed *and* manueverability, right?
29-08-2020 08:19:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: they're the same thing.
29-08-2020 08:19:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: in game
29-08-2020 08:20:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I know, but just thinking about the relative stats.
29-08-2020 08:20:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Transport planes are -+2, so E, same as tanks and less than trucks.
29-08-2020 08:21:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Which... seems really odd.
29-08-2020 08:21:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: That's mostly for balance reasons.
29-08-2020 08:21:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: But they *are* much less mobile, don't turn nearly as well.
29-08-2020 08:21:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: and yeah.
29-08-2020 08:21:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: *manueverable
29-08-2020 08:21:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: I mean, they aren't the same in the real world, but they are the same in game, so..
29-08-2020 08:27:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: also, truck speed is where the least accurate of the kaiju weapons can miss.  I didn't want that to be a possibility for transport planes.
29-08-2020 08:33:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Speed sucks.
29-08-2020 08:33:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Then again, I guess E/E armor/durability isn't amazing either.
29-08-2020 08:34:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: no, not really.
29-08-2020 08:34:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: E/E offense seems pretty decent, though.  ._.
29-08-2020 08:34:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: in general, anything C or above is the point where it goes from weakish to strongish.
29-08-2020 08:35:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Man, is speed like 40% of the cost of jets?
29-08-2020 08:36:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: they're 200, right?
29-08-2020 08:36:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: no, not 40%
29-08-2020 08:36:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: yes if you include speed + flier.
29-08-2020 08:42:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I was, yeah.
29-08-2020 08:42:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Because that means they're A rank.
29-08-2020 08:42:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: then pretty much.
29-08-2020 08:43:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: How did ER make ERA armor in such a short period, if range + would take a year if ir goes past C?
29-08-2020 08:43:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: ERA applies to anything, and stacks with another modkit too.
29-08-2020 08:43:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: A year is a gross understaatement.
29-08-2020 08:43:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: applies to everything includes infantry sized weapons.
29-08-2020 08:43:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: B range infantry weapons are night-impossible.
29-08-2020 08:43:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Ohhh
29-08-2020 08:44:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Fricking
29-08-2020 08:44:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: If you tried, you'd be informed as to the problem.
29-08-2020 08:46:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Sigh.
29-08-2020 08:47:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Maybe I should just do turn one--Shadowclaw gets me jet design.
29-08-2020 08:47:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Range in particular is more favored for large units than Power.
29-08-2020 08:47:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Turn 2 & 3, shadowclaw researches a modkit for me.
29-08-2020 08:47:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Two turns with the design and his HEP thinger should be enough to get it out.
29-08-2020 08:47:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Right?
29-08-2020 08:48:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: It also spares me from building a third lab.
29-08-2020 08:48:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Though I am really unsure if that's a *bad* idea.
29-08-2020 08:48:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, should be able to do that.  You're looking for range +1, right?
29-08-2020 08:48:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Range +1, max B, includes a kfat.
29-08-2020 08:48:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: and specific to the jet.
29-08-2020 08:49:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: And specific to the jet *and* derivative designs.
29-08-2020 08:49:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah.
29-08-2020 08:50:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: do note you'll still need another increase to get to B.
29-08-2020 08:50:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Yes.
29-08-2020 08:50:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Going to start researching jets with +1 range this turn.
29-08-2020 08:52:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: That's 3 turns..
29-08-2020 08:52:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: so it's 3 turns for both halves.
29-08-2020 08:52:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Which would be great.
29-08-2020 08:52:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Though I'm also doing a removal of ammo-short, which I think bumps it up to 4.
29-08-2020 08:52:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Though then maybe it goes down to 3 for bulk research discount.
29-08-2020 08:53:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Nah, that'd put it at 5 to do both.
29-08-2020 08:53:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Huh.
29-08-2020 08:54:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Doesn't that mean there's no advantage to doing both at the same time?
29-08-2020 08:54:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: ammo short is 2, but I think it went down with the bulk discount with something else.
29-08-2020 08:54:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I might as well do one then the other.
29-08-2020 08:54:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: No advantage in research time.
29-08-2020 08:54:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: pricing might go up an extra 25 if you split the projects.
29-08-2020 08:54:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: It shouldn't with your example.
29-08-2020 08:54:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: -.-
29-08-2020 08:54:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: but in another situation it might.
29-08-2020 08:55:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Ugh.
29-08-2020 08:55:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Is that an angry ugh or a happy ugh?
29-08-2020 08:55:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: This is the most frustrating variety of puzzle, so I'm going to just stop thinking about it and go with the suboptimal plan anyway.
29-08-2020 08:56:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: heh
29-08-2020 08:56:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: should I be ashamed or proud?
29-08-2020 08:56:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Ashamed.
29-08-2020 08:57:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: The frustrating aspect comes from you giving me information, but only after I've formulated a full plan.
29-08-2020 08:57:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I can't mess with the puzzle pieces precisely, I can guess at their positions and ask if that's correct, getting a yes or no.
29-08-2020 08:57:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: So I can always know if I'm wrong.
29-08-2020 08:57:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: But in the least helpful way.
29-08-2020 08:57:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: but if I gave you the info you'd pour ovet it for a month and wouldn't ever decide on anything.
29-08-2020 08:58:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: maybe I should just stop answering questions.
29-08-2020 08:58:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Maybe.
29-08-2020 08:58:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Also, no, Dev.
29-08-2020 08:58:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: aight.
29-08-2020 08:58:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: If you gave me the guts of the system I'd pore over it and decide on something.
29-08-2020 08:58:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: no choice paralysis?
29-08-2020 08:59:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: It might not be correct, but I'd have strong arguments for why it's correct, and if given reason why it's incorrect, I'd be able to use that informaton.
29-08-2020 08:59:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Nah, no choice paralysis.  This is a solid numbers game.
29-08-2020 08:59:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: It's not like Cabal, where the problem is more that none of the choices really matter.
29-08-2020 09:01:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: maybe I should stop answering questions.
29-08-2020 09:04:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: sorry, but the system has guts but not guts I really want to show to everyone.
29-08-2020 09:04:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: *anyone
29-08-2020 09:04:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: so maybe I should just be quiet, turn the difficulty down about 10% or so, and let you see.
29-08-2020 09:04:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: I wouldn't mind showing them to someone not playing.
29-08-2020 09:05:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: You don't know anyone else who'd want to see when not playing.  -.-
29-08-2020 09:06:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: MJ.
29-08-2020 09:06:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: ...
29-08-2020 09:06:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: RC.
29-08-2020 09:06:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: No, MJ would not be interested in the mechanical guts of a system he's not playing.
29-08-2020 09:06:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: RC, maybe, but I doubt it.
29-08-2020 09:07:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: I'm not speaking hypothetically about MJ.
29-08-2020 09:07:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Both would look if you asked them to--perhaps not MJ, since he cannot into time management--but wouldn't want to because it's interesting to them.
29-08-2020 09:07:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: and that last qualifier sounds a bit unfair.
29-08-2020 09:07:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Yeah, and I'm saying he looked because you asked him to.
29-08-2020 09:08:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: "Do you want to look at some of the guts of kaiju-com?"
29-08-2020 09:08:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: "Sure."
29-08-2020 09:09:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: I mean.. yeah, asked, but what do you expect?
29-08-2020 09:12:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Posted.
29-08-2020 09:12:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: anyway, sorry for the frustration.
29-08-2020 09:13:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I expect "sure", because MJ will say sure for basically anything you ask of him that he has time for and isn't painful.
29-08-2020 09:13:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Valencite is a good name.
29-08-2020 09:13:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: I should make a joke about higher orbitals when doing that research.
29-08-2020 09:14:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Go right ahead.
29-08-2020 09:14:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I figured it sounded appropriately psuedoscientific for an X-Com inspired game.
29-08-2020 09:15:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Thanks for posting.
29-08-2020 09:16:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I'm gonna go take a shower.
29-08-2020 09:16:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Anything else you want beforehand?
29-08-2020 09:17:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: mmm.
29-08-2020 09:18:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: No, looks right.
29-08-2020 09:18:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: just tallying up the ammo research, and yeah, three months.
29-08-2020 09:18:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: Okay.
29-08-2020 09:18:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: the third project is localizing the blueprint for Shadowclaw.
29-08-2020 09:19:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: Thanks.
29-08-2020 09:19:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I might edit that and change it to arty, if I can talk with him again.
29-08-2020 09:19:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: I kinda doubt it matters really.
29-08-2020 09:20:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.vny.yty: But if he can't commit for three months, well...
29-08-2020 09:20:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: eh.
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29-08-2020 09:21:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@j69-63-165-606.bchsia.telus.net: SC does have a large lab, for the record.
29-08-2020 11:00:32 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Boop
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29-08-2020 19:15:43 < er!androirc@013-512-228-172.biz.spectrum.com: Help im bored
29-08-2020 19:21:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@qgzi-0q4jd4zi6cuj54sc986sbk6mo.ipv6.telus.net: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/724158367
29-08-2020 19:22:12 < er!androirc@013-512-228-172.biz.spectrum.com: Not very entertaining without sound
29-08-2020 19:22:52 < er!androirc@013-512-228-172.biz.spectrum.com: And I'm too paranoid to listen to anything without headphones :p
29-08-2020 19:25:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@qgzi-0q4jd4zi6cuj54sc986sbk6mo.ipv6.telus.net: it's just a guy talking about a game
29-08-2020 19:26:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@qgzi-0q4jd4zi6cuj54sc986sbk6mo.ipv6.telus.net: but ok
29-08-2020 19:26:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@qgzi-0q4jd4zi6cuj54sc986sbk6mo.ipv6.telus.net: https://www.popehat.com/2007/11/16/remembering-the-greatest-prosecutor-practical-joke-ever/
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29-08-2020 21:37:57 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Shall
29-08-2020 21:39:11 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ...
29-08-2020 21:40:09 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Shall have to try writing a system for the dungeoncrawl game clawing its way around my head
29-08-2020 21:41:02 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Present thought: elves don't age, so they get more gold but less courage
29-08-2020 21:41:38 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Starting gold represents time and resources and, well, elves get more time
29-08-2020 21:42:21 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: But they're also a little paranoid because only violence kills them
29-08-2020 21:46:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@qgzi-0q4jd4zi6cuj54sc986sbk6mo.ipv6.telus.net: sounds interesting.