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02-08-2020 01:40:09 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: Honk
02-08-2020 01:40:16 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: Working on pit
02-08-2020 01:40:52 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: got the map in digital form
02-08-2020 01:41:03 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: just need to fill it in...and do all the other stuff
02-08-2020 01:46:58 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: But I have been working on games all day
02-08-2020 01:47:07 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: time to indulge in some ABSOLUTE GARBAGE
02-08-2020 01:56:58 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: Time for some isekai time travel high school demon lord one punch man
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02-08-2020 03:00:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: sorry, was fixing comp.
02-08-2020 03:00:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: and then had to do something.
02-08-2020 03:01:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Is prediction supposed to be a primary?
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02-08-2020 03:49:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: YES, prediction is supposed to be a primary.
02-08-2020 03:50:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: It'd be insanely OP if it was a secondary.
02-08-2020 03:50:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: mmm.
02-08-2020 03:53:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Haven't we had that exact confusion multiple times before?
02-08-2020 03:53:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Prediction is a primary, and a pretty good one.
02-08-2020 03:54:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: It seems so, but I'm not sure if I'd ever use it, even if I had it at level 3.
02-08-2020 03:57:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: You also play a Brave, so you already have primary overload.
02-08-2020 03:57:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: fair point, yeah.
02-08-2020 03:57:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Look at the innocent powerset--the only two other primaries are Refuge and Time Stop, which are high cost and very significant.
02-08-2020 03:57:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: yeah, makes sense.
02-08-2020 03:57:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: and it can substitute for CC3, if defensively.
02-08-2020 03:57:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: So it's a choice between prediction and CC/MB most of the time.
02-08-2020 03:58:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: It's much more efficient than the latter, while being much more versatile than the former.
02-08-2020 03:59:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I wouldn't call it better than CC IV, but I could absolutely see building for it while ignoring CC, and with careful setup it can do quite a lot more.
02-08-2020 04:00:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: oh well.
02-08-2020 04:00:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: changed my mind to activate painless.
02-08-2020 04:00:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: ...It's also pretty much just better than CC, defensively.  CC allows you to block more effectively, but still requires a roll.  Pred usually doesn't.
02-08-2020 04:00:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I saw, yeah.
02-08-2020 04:00:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: gonna jump in.  Hopefully tooru can survive a round.
02-08-2020 04:00:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Was gonna comment before that you normally need to describe what you want the song to accomplish.
02-08-2020 04:00:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Probably can't hurt the witch, but keeping her busy for a few turns might be possible.
02-08-2020 04:01:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Maaan, if Alida can't hurt this witch, y'all are fuuuucked.
02-08-2020 04:01:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: big mbs might do more damage.
02-08-2020 04:01:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Should have said 'killed'
02-08-2020 04:01:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: 'kill'
02-08-2020 04:01:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Fair 'nuff.
02-08-2020 04:02:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: hell, if berzerk/painless is a thing, kill might not be possible.
02-08-2020 04:02:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: well, will try to do damage, maybe the others can cut off her magic and do some MBs.  And try not to get pummeled.
02-08-2020 04:03:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: To steal a KCom term from you, if everything short of big MBs tinks here, you're not scoring a kill.
02-08-2020 04:03:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: well, pummled beyond the ability of painless to compensate.
02-08-2020 04:03:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: mmm, ok.
02-08-2020 04:03:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Alida can hurt the witch, and absolutely would be able to kill her 1v1, it would just be very difficult.
02-08-2020 04:04:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: tink is a fire emblem term anyway.
02-08-2020 04:04:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Unless Alida had CC IV and Pred III active at the same time, in which case she could probably handle this witch solo without much real difficulty.
02-08-2020 04:05:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Yeah, throw in effigies, she could totally do that.
02-08-2020 04:05:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Pred III?
02-08-2020 04:05:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: ahh, yeah, prediction.
02-08-2020 04:05:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: nah, can't do it.
02-08-2020 04:06:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: one primary per character, I think you said.
02-08-2020 04:06:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Yep.
02-08-2020 04:06:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: That's why pred's a primary~
02-08-2020 04:06:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: and I don't know if someone with prediction could mind control a body.
02-08-2020 04:06:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Could do some worrying stuff with an Innocent/Creative, or an Innocent/Pure.
02-08-2020 04:09:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: mmm?
02-08-2020 04:10:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: you know, someone nega-prattling the witch while it duels the werewolf might be really effective.
02-08-2020 04:10:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: if that works.
02-08-2020 04:10:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Creatives can give themselves very powerful fleshorror bodies, pures can mind control and puppet powerful individuals.
02-08-2020 04:11:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: yeah, but both of those work fine seperately.  What would together give you?
02-08-2020 04:11:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: So both have a pretty good route to giving themselves a lot of power while a primary isn't active, which means they can use prediction along with it.
02-08-2020 04:12:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: ahh, yeah.
02-08-2020 04:13:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Loves, shades are independant, so can't benefit really.  Braves, effigies are still just normals and their other passives don't help that much.  Joys... maybe bombs, but that's not much better than C4.  Mercies could do some stuff with Rel Pli, but that's not OP.
02-08-2020 04:14:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Creatives OP.
02-08-2020 04:14:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: What would the soul cost be to semblance 2 alida's wolf form?
02-08-2020 04:14:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: ie, into another one.
02-08-2020 04:15:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I don't have a semblance scale set up.  Probably major or massive, would have to work on it to be sure.
02-08-2020 04:18:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Might be major.  That allows +2 significant upgrades over wolf, which seems reasonable, since a giant wolf is an entirely possible living physical creature.
02-08-2020 04:19:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Not sure though, since it is a permanent buff and wolf is a fairly bad choice for something so significant.
02-08-2020 04:20:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Yeaaaah, massive, because finale's gotta have some limits on a permanent cast like that.
02-08-2020 04:21:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Variable cost stuff gets pretty crazy when you pump a finale into it, but semblance has no maintenance.
02-08-2020 04:23:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: yeah, that seems to be about right.
02-08-2020 04:23:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: could probably do better than that with a massive, but it's too much for major.
02-08-2020 04:23:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: It does mean you can't just turn into a literal tank with one finale cast of semblance.  :(
02-08-2020 04:26:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: why not?  You'd be stuck as one.
02-08-2020 04:26:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: and a tank is vulernable to a lot of stuff.
02-08-2020 04:26:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: not very, but angel-witch could probably blow one up.
02-08-2020 04:26:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: and this one could probably score damage.
02-08-2020 04:28:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Oh, even this one's familiars could probably score a tank kill with a bit of luck.
02-08-2020 04:28:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: The witch herself would be done in twenty seconds, easy.
02-08-2020 04:29:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: It'd be impossible because it's multiple substantial upgrades over "car-sized organic mundane animal"
02-08-2020 04:29:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: I'm assuming that the semblance MG would at least have say, mobility 1.
02-08-2020 04:29:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: and be able to run away from a familiar easily enough.
02-08-2020 04:30:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Yes.  A tank which is also a magical girl would do much better.
02-08-2020 04:30:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: an olympic-class tank would be quick enough to do that.  And be able to not worry about normal obstacles.
02-08-2020 04:30:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: "A tank with double jump"
02-08-2020 04:30:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I'm sure I've seen that.
02-08-2020 04:31:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: I don't know if a mob-3 tank could jump off flat ground.
02-08-2020 04:31:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Metal Slug?
02-08-2020 04:31:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Maybe.  Did Metal Slug have jumpy tanks?
02-08-2020 04:31:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I've only played a couple and don't remember them very well.
02-08-2020 04:33:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Yes, the tanks in metal slug could jump.
02-08-2020 04:33:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: but they also aren't real things.
02-08-2020 04:33:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: unless someone wished "I wish tanks could jump" or something.
02-08-2020 04:34:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I googled "vertical wolf", and the first two image results are the left and right halves of a wolf picture, properly aligned.
02-08-2020 04:34:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I am impressed.  Probably someone toying with a botnet or something, but still.
02-08-2020 04:34:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: I think the only tank wish I thought of was "I wish intermural tank combat was a real sport."  ;-p
02-08-2020 04:35:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Yeah, you've joked about that one for coming on three years now.
02-08-2020 04:35:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: sorry.
02-08-2020 04:36:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Sorry?
02-08-2020 04:36:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I was just commenting on it being a long runner, it's still amusing.
02-08-2020 04:37:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I think you had a second tank wish, for the briefcase tank in the webcomic with the long name.
02-08-2020 04:37:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Somebody's walkthrough for the universe's finale or something like that.
02-08-2020 04:37:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: oh yes, forgot that.
02-08-2020 04:37:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: yeah, it was from ABG.
02-08-2020 04:38:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: sorry for lack of creativity.
02-08-2020 04:38:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: It'd probably be useful here..
02-08-2020 04:38:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Stop apologizing for nonexistent shortcomings.
02-08-2020 04:39:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: there aren't too many situations where it wouldn't be useful.
02-08-2020 04:39:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: and I'm Canadian, it's practically genetic.
02-08-2020 04:39:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: You're playing a werewolf magical girl, you have displayed enough creativity.
02-08-2020 04:39:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Speaking of:
02-08-2020 04:39:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3010/3013164084_d4e2f232ce_z.jpg
02-08-2020 04:39:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Vertical woof
02-08-2020 04:39:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: heh.
02-08-2020 04:40:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: https://40.media.tumblr.com/88027f89236235bb822364e17a192a70/tumblr_inline_nnxr7tTlKs1rpk3gm_400.png
02-08-2020 04:42:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: "Hello, artfriend, could you draw a standing wolf wearing a magical girl outfit?"
02-08-2020 04:42:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: "...Are you a furry?"
02-08-2020 04:42:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: "No, but my friend might be."
02-08-2020 04:42:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Hah.
02-08-2020 04:43:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Ahh, next couple games I need to get back to playing normal humans.
02-08-2020 04:44:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Yes, classic mundane dev.
02-08-2020 04:44:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Though Alida *is* pretty mundane, aside from cloning herself and having an alt form.
02-08-2020 04:44:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Normal humans are good!
02-08-2020 04:44:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Her main powerset is really just hitting people with a stick.
02-08-2020 04:44:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: big asides there.
02-08-2020 04:45:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Compared to what Magical Girls *can* be...
02-08-2020 04:46:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Yeah, so much.
02-08-2020 04:46:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: but someone's got to do the stick hitting.
02-08-2020 04:47:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: hell, even if she wasn't a werewolf I'd be working on ways to do it better or more creatively.  Baseball ammo, surprise attacks, supports..
02-08-2020 04:48:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: effigy slingshots..
02-08-2020 04:49:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Can still do that one.
02-08-2020 04:49:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Alida could totally throw wolves at monsters.
02-08-2020 04:49:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Wolves with clubs gripped in their teeth.
02-08-2020 04:50:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Nah, no more slingshot ribbons.
02-08-2020 04:50:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Mina's gone.
02-08-2020 04:50:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: *Asha
02-08-2020 04:50:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Right.
02-08-2020 04:50:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Asha's gone too.
02-08-2020 04:50:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: have to come up with something else.
02-08-2020 04:50:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: riding herself is something else, so..
02-08-2020 04:51:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: I'll get something else ready for next time, maybe.
02-08-2020 04:53:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: launching is launching, but I don't see much mechanical advantage from just throwing over having the wolf jump itself.  I might have it wrong, I'm not an acrobat, but I'd like something that's clearly more than that.
02-08-2020 04:54:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: mmm, maybe like a hammer throw.
02-08-2020 04:56:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: a handle, steel cable and something for the other wolf to hang on to, mayb.e
02-08-2020 04:56:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: It's better because you'd be *throwing wolves at people*
02-08-2020 04:56:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: oh come on, wouldn't a wolf spinning around hammer-throwing another alida be even better?  ;-p
02-08-2020 04:56:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I mean yes, mechanically it's inferior to those wolves just jumping on those people.
02-08-2020 04:56:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: But *throwing wolves!*
02-08-2020 04:57:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Heh.
02-08-2020 04:57:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Fine, then.
02-08-2020 04:57:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Same way throwing axes is badass, even if it's pretty solidly inferior to just hitting things with the axe in your hand.
02-08-2020 04:59:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: it might not be mechanically inferior if the wolf jumps AND she throws.  ;-p
02-08-2020 05:01:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: True.
02-08-2020 05:01:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: ...And you can do that, since you can doublejump.
02-08-2020 05:01:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Huh.
02-08-2020 05:01:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I can't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to doublepounce.
02-08-2020 05:01:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Pounce once, then add a bunch of extra speed by pouncing again midair.
02-08-2020 05:02:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: combine with hammer throws and jump repeatedly to build up speed.
02-08-2020 05:02:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: supersonic wolf.
02-08-2020 05:03:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Supersonic woof
02-08-2020 05:03:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: well, until the cord breaks or the anchored woof can't remain in place.
02-08-2020 05:04:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Hum
02-08-2020 05:04:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: You should've taken resounding echoes from Lucy
02-08-2020 05:04:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Yes, it would have been nice.
02-08-2020 05:04:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Throw monsters around by barking at them.
02-08-2020 05:05:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: That would have been fun, yes.
02-08-2020 05:05:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: The dream of *every* canine.
02-08-2020 05:05:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Yeah.
02-08-2020 05:05:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: For a woof, woof powers would be the dream, yes.
02-08-2020 05:06:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Instead you doubled down on bravery and took another maintained buff.
02-08-2020 05:06:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: yeah.
02-08-2020 05:06:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: although the shared aspect of it appealed to me.
02-08-2020 05:06:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Ah well, hope that works out better in the future.  It does give you an actual combat buff option.
02-08-2020 05:07:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: maybe a mistake, but it's also more variety, because it can do things other than fight.
02-08-2020 05:07:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: hmm.
02-08-2020 05:07:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: could alida have used resounding echos to shout her family down?  I mean, probably, but..
02-08-2020 05:07:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: In a literal sense, yeah.
02-08-2020 05:08:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: But maybe hitting your family members to knock them to the floor is not an ideal method of de-escalation.
02-08-2020 05:08:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: DwR lullaby works way better.
02-08-2020 05:08:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: yeah.
02-08-2020 05:08:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: hence the but..
02-08-2020 05:09:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: she loves them too much to do that.
02-08-2020 05:09:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: maybe someone else would be ok with that.
02-08-2020 05:09:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Hum.
02-08-2020 05:09:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Yeah, DwR gives you an option for screwing with the masquerade effect.
02-08-2020 05:10:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Pity it's minor only, but that's still plenty for messing with humans.
02-08-2020 05:10:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: sadly, can't use it when woof.
02-08-2020 05:10:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: it'd be lovely for freaking out knocker when he's stuck in a van with the giant wolf.
02-08-2020 05:11:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: too expensive, but sometimes it's just for fun.
02-08-2020 05:15:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: dunno, not too many ideas come to mind.
02-08-2020 08:06:57 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: BORK BORK
02-08-2020 08:07:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: bork bork.
02-08-2020 08:07:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: rolling for Sh right now.
02-08-2020 08:08:07 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: <3
02-08-2020 08:08:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: BIG BORK
02-08-2020 08:08:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: have to figure out who you're attacking.
02-08-2020 08:12:33 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Toady: "I'm all for happy dogs with jobs."
02-08-2020 08:14:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: do dogs have jobs now in DF?
02-08-2020 08:16:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Haven't they had jobs for a long time?
02-08-2020 08:16:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Hunting dogs have special behavior just for them.
02-08-2020 08:16:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I forget if war dogs do, I think they just get stat buffs.
02-08-2020 08:16:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Don't know, I don't usually do pets.
02-08-2020 08:17:02 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Referring to herding dogs
02-08-2020 08:17:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: ahh.
02-08-2020 08:17:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I know hunting dogs at some point did stealth with the hunter, and had special AI to assist.
02-08-2020 08:17:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: Also, Kennels go waaaaaaay back.
02-08-2020 08:17:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: They might have been around when I started.
02-08-2020 08:17:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: They get a bonus to ambusher too.
02-08-2020 08:17:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: it's why they're so weird.
02-08-2020 08:17:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Though I've not used them since the stealth changes.  Dunno if those even really affected fort mode?
02-08-2020 08:26:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: stealth changes?
02-08-2020 08:30:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Happened with the movement speed split, I believe?
02-08-2020 08:30:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: In adventure mode, characters now have facings and viewcones.
02-08-2020 08:31:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Lighting, cover, and gait now all matter much more than skill.
02-08-2020 08:31:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: ahh
02-08-2020 08:31:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: and aww.
02-08-2020 08:31:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: You can hide really easily in a bush at night, while even a master is bad at hiding in an open field in broad daylight.
02-08-2020 08:31:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: :-(
02-08-2020 08:31:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: tile-based madness.
02-08-2020 08:32:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: but yes.
02-08-2020 08:32:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: better
02-08-2020 08:32:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I dunno if those changes affected fort mode though.  Fort mode's system has always been kinda weird and different.
02-08-2020 09:03:52 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: Mmm
02-08-2020 09:05:23 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: So, what would the societal ramifications be if you had certain people with inherent magical powers, and the trait is often heritable but only from the mother
02-08-2020 09:09:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: I imagine it would be negative for women.
02-08-2020 09:10:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: More cultural view that men are expendable while women must have children.
02-08-2020 09:10:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Which leads to more freedom and social mobility for men.
02-08-2020 09:11:05 < er!androirc@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I suppose so.
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02-08-2020 09:32:51 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: seems like that would be how it works for mages in P&P, seeing as it's in the blood and not really genetic
02-08-2020 09:33:35 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: unless it's just purely randomized, which seems like it would be more work for the unseen mechanism, to be honest.
02-08-2020 10:48:57 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: https://youtu.be/0MW0mDZysxc
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02-08-2020 11:30:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Could just ignore the implications.
02-08-2020 11:31:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: Societies are pretty fluid and can evolve in different ways for a lot of reasons.
02-08-2020 11:32:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@104.136.rzg.vsr: P&P society might very well be matriarchal.   Physical power is pretty unimportant when mages are flying around, and that's a big thing driving historical male dominance.
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02-08-2020 17:44:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: update Sh.
02-08-2020 17:44:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: the drama dice have struck again.
02-08-2020 17:47:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: I swear..
02-08-2020 17:49:52 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: https://youtu.be/re4VWoTrAuQ
02-08-2020 17:49:55 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: :)
02-08-2020 18:08:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: I don't know, I think that after the one that seats a full server it's no longer an actual warthog.
02-08-2020 18:08:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: ie, the one where he has to make fake seats.
02-08-2020 18:08:54 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I mean, you don't NEED more seats than that because it's a full server though :P
02-08-2020 18:12:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: he can't raise the server limit?
02-08-2020 18:12:51 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: probably not
02-08-2020 18:32:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: anyway, drama dice.
02-08-2020 18:32:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: ffs.
02-08-2020 18:32:55 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: :P ?
02-08-2020 18:36:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: pretty much.
02-08-2020 18:36:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: well, this guy should have good lewts.
02-08-2020 18:36:31 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: how about we go around instead
02-08-2020 19:19:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: but loooots.
02-08-2020 19:19:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: that armour is probably worth more than your pay.
02-08-2020 19:20:08 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah but... armor
02-08-2020 19:21:03 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: there is a fundemental problem with murdering a fool to pry the armor off their corpse, and that is that they're currently wearing armor, which happens to protect them from being murdered
02-08-2020 19:21:47 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: might be able to bypass it if we wrestle him into submission first, but that would require doing that
02-08-2020 19:22:18 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and I'm guessing we're not as strong, and not specifically trained in grappling
02-08-2020 19:27:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: your unarmed combat training will be relevant.
02-08-2020 19:29:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: if you do that.
02-08-2020 23:17:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: heya Piecewise.
02-08-2020 23:18:10 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: hey
02-08-2020 23:19:01 < * ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com pokes Piecewise
02-08-2020 23:19:08 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: y
02-08-2020 23:19:16 < * ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com poke poke poke
02-08-2020 23:19:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: heh
02-08-2020 23:19:58 < Piecewise!Piecewise@97-30-69-8.lsv6.qwest.net: OK BYE
02-08-2020 23:20:07 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: no, stay
02-08-2020 23:20:14 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: or else
02-08-2020 23:20:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: just like your opinion on something, PW.
02-08-2020 23:20:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@ffxz-3t6pk5sp4qwn7gt6pkxlweecx.ipv7.telus.net: please?