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25-05-2020 07:35:40 < Nyarlathotep!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: bum
25-05-2020 07:40:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: heya
25-05-2020 07:44:49 < Nyarlathotep!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: hi
25-05-2020 07:45:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm, bote game.
25-05-2020 07:54:38 < Nyarlathotep!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: booote
25-05-2020 07:57:39 < Nyarlathotep!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: bota head out
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25-05-2020 08:52:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: So I watched that gun rants video Piecewise linked.
25-05-2020 08:52:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: oh?
25-05-2020 08:52:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: And, uh, yes.  I am like that.  My voice isn't quite as deep.
25-05-2020 08:52:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Heh.
25-05-2020 08:52:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: have to put the two of you in the same room together.
25-05-2020 08:52:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: But I have gone on rants basically identical to some of his.
25-05-2020 08:52:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: I don't have anywhere near as much experience though.
25-05-2020 08:53:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: Weirdly, I *have* fired an auto G36, of all things.
25-05-2020 08:54:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: "FUCK YOU, I'M JEALOUS."
25-05-2020 08:54:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: ;-p
25-05-2020 08:56:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: MJ happens to live near a range with one.  I'd just give him the address.  :P
25-05-2020 08:57:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: Also I want to argue with him about auto 308s being dumb.
25-05-2020 08:57:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: are they awesome?
25-05-2020 08:57:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: They are, but not really because of the recoil
25-05-2020 08:57:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: No, they're dumb.
25-05-2020 08:57:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: you just want to argue that side?
25-05-2020 08:57:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: ...Yes.
25-05-2020 08:58:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: sounds good.
25-05-2020 08:59:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: The bit where he was super excited about the AS VAL is 100% me as well.  Plunkbat having a Vintorez is like 80% of the reason I bought the game, and I had about the same reaction with MJ when he found one in the game.
25-05-2020 09:00:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: WHY DIDN'T YOU FUCKING TELL ME!
25-05-2020 09:00:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: I think MJ's reaction was something like "I don't even know what this is"
25-05-2020 09:00:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: And then he died.
25-05-2020 09:02:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: heh.
25-05-2020 09:02:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Is the story about the AWP true?
25-05-2020 09:02:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Because I can totally imagine that happening in Britain.
25-05-2020 09:02:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: No clue!
25-05-2020 09:02:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: But yeah, I'll believe it.
25-05-2020 09:03:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: The Barrett M82 had a similar story, there's a number of very successful garage gun projects.
25-05-2020 09:03:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Heh.
25-05-2020 09:03:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Although many of the gun-tinkers went into tanks lately..
25-05-2020 09:03:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: it's why the Challenger is so overbuilt.
25-05-2020 09:03:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: Maybe the Cheytac M200?  Not really sure, I think Cheytac was more established?
25-05-2020 09:03:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: ...Nah, yeah, it was derived from something else.
25-05-2020 09:04:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: I don't know anywhere near as much about tanks.
25-05-2020 09:06:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: well, IIRC, the Challenger 2 was basically developed from the holdover of second world war tank design, and actually developed privately.  I don't remember if they had a contract before work started, or if it really was a tinker project, but it wasn't a huge comittee piece.
25-05-2020 09:06:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: essentially basically someone put dudes under the same roof, and they started making it in Leeds.
25-05-2020 09:07:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: Neat.  Good way to design something if you want quality at any price.
25-05-2020 09:07:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: I think the Russians do that kind of thing, actually.
25-05-2020 09:08:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: It would explain a lot of their very out-there designs.
25-05-2020 09:09:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: also, if ER posts I might consider doing k-com a little early.
25-05-2020 09:09:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: or maybe not.
25-05-2020 09:10:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: I will bug him the next time I see him.
25-05-2020 09:11:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: nah, it's ok.
25-05-2020 09:11:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I think it's just him.
25-05-2020 09:12:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I can wait a few more days.
25-05-2020 09:14:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: Have I ranted about the ASh-12.7 to you?  I know I brought it up recently.  It's one of the really weird Russian guns that's perfect for a dystopian police state.
25-05-2020 09:15:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I think you have, actually.
25-05-2020 09:15:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: Aww.
25-05-2020 09:16:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.nww.lu: I like it.  It's a gun that's terrible for real life but would be a great choice in a lot of games.
25-05-2020 09:18:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Heh.
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25-05-2020 09:26:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Magical girls?
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25-05-2020 09:30:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: What about 'em?
25-05-2020 09:30:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: For the ASh-12.7
25-05-2020 09:30:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Oh yes.
25-05-2020 09:31:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Well, it'd probably be a bit too heavy.  If you're not running it with CC you probably want a normal SMG or something.
25-05-2020 09:31:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Or aren't a vertical dog.
25-05-2020 09:31:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: But with CC, yesssss
25-05-2020 09:32:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Lemme check the weight on it...
25-05-2020 09:33:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: 6 kg
25-05-2020 09:34:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I might let Alida use that without CC.
25-05-2020 09:35:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm.
25-05-2020 09:35:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: still seems heavy.
25-05-2020 09:35:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: and probably kicks pretty good despite being big.
25-05-2020 09:37:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Remember how that guy said automatic 308 rifles are bad because their recoil is uncontrollable?
25-05-2020 09:37:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: 308 = 7.62x51mm
25-05-2020 09:37:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: The ASh-12 is chambered in 12.7x55mm
25-05-2020 09:37:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah.
25-05-2020 09:37:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: what I was thinking.
25-05-2020 09:38:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Nah, I think she could learn, and maybe think herself in being able to handle it eventually, but it's a gun heavier than ideal, IMO.
25-05-2020 09:38:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: It's not quite as bad as that sound because it's not necked down, but it's still a stronger recoil.
25-05-2020 09:40:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: G3 is about 4.5 kg though, and doesn't have as nice a shape, so it might be a bit better.
25-05-2020 09:40:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: idea I really think perfect reflexes plus pistols would do it, since they're hideable.
25-05-2020 09:40:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Pistols are weak.
25-05-2020 09:40:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah, but I figure most enemies that are too strong for pistols would also be too strong for rifles.
25-05-2020 09:41:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: plus it'd be easier for her to carry and or hide a pistol.
25-05-2020 09:41:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Mm, maybe.  Auto thirty cal is pretty destructive.
25-05-2020 09:42:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: These familiars, you could definitely destroy with an Ash, or any real battle rifle.  But a glock wouldn't do too much unless used really well.
25-05-2020 09:43:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm, so there are mid-range enemies, then.
25-05-2020 09:43:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: just thinking about the past.  The blob monsters would have been better with a pistol.
25-05-2020 09:43:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: the wire creature.. probably would have been fine against those two.
25-05-2020 09:45:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: rifle or not.
25-05-2020 09:45:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: The wire guy would've been armored against pistol rounds, but not AP rifle rounds.  Maaaybe not against ball rifle rounds.
25-05-2020 09:46:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Checked, I was wrong,12.7x55mm actually has slightly less muzzle energy in its hottest load compared to 308.
25-05-2020 09:46:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I don't know, I can't see an ordinary rifle being enough to break thick cables.
25-05-2020 09:47:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And they have much lighter loads, which does make a lot of sense.  :P
25-05-2020 09:47:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I mean, AP rounds maaaybe, but cables just don't seem like good targets.
25-05-2020 09:47:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Also, his armor was pretty spotty.  Basically a pistol would've just needed a slightly higher roll.
25-05-2020 09:47:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: ...Lower roll.
25-05-2020 09:48:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: "Slightly better"
25-05-2020 09:48:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm.
25-05-2020 09:48:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: also a pistol seems better for jumping around a lot.
25-05-2020 09:48:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I mean, why couldn't I pick targets?  Or jump in and unload right in the face or vulnerable spot, and then jump away?
25-05-2020 09:49:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Eh, at 6 kg I don't think I'd consider you encumbered.  Add a shield, and yes, that would start to matter, where it wouldn't with a pistol.
25-05-2020 09:49:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: You absolutely can use guns as melee weapons, rolls on bravery instead of joy.
25-05-2020 09:50:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Hitting a smaller part with a melee weapon would still be harder than "any part".
25-05-2020 09:50:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: plus I could use a pistol with a bigger round than 9mm.
25-05-2020 09:51:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: yes, use a deagle, nothing bad will come of that decision
25-05-2020 09:52:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: (Just trying to think of the most annoying thing to suggest.)
25-05-2020 09:53:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: unfortunately found something I'd probably actually prefer first.
25-05-2020 09:53:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: You're already uusing a fishing club.
25-05-2020 09:53:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P227
25-05-2020 09:53:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I don't think you could find a gun I'd like less than a fishing club.
25-05-2020 09:54:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Any particular reason you'd go with that?
25-05-2020 09:54:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: In particular?  Nah.
25-05-2020 09:55:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I'd expect she'd go with 'whatever pistol she can find', and then if it doesn't stop too much, look for something that's heavier and newer.
25-05-2020 09:55:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: :(
25-05-2020 09:55:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: so seems likely enough.
25-05-2020 09:55:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I'm not a gun fan, syv, I'm sorry.
25-05-2020 09:55:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: playing a character.
25-05-2020 09:56:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Ehh, it's not worry.
25-05-2020 09:56:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: ER is also in the game, and another char has an AK totem.
25-05-2020 09:56:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Though sadly ER *didn't* grab the damn auto saiga.
25-05-2020 09:56:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: If she was a vertical dog, getting a big rifle would be much more appealing.
25-05-2020 09:58:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Just need to make a harness with an attached pintle mount
25-05-2020 09:58:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Heh.
25-05-2020 09:58:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Turn your horizontal wolf into a technical
25-05-2020 09:59:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Someone else will have to suggest that, probably.
25-05-2020 09:59:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: "I have bite!"
25-05-2020 09:59:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Have aa hell of a time getting Knocker to give you a PKM.
25-05-2020 10:01:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: that seems more like something to ask for the second mission.
25-05-2020 10:01:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: and after "You hauled my dog to a vet" I dunno about agreeing to a second time.
25-05-2020 10:03:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Also, "I want to arm my dog" is a strange conversation.
25-05-2020 10:07:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah.
25-05-2020 10:09:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: A Vintorez or Val probably would be a really good choice for magical girls.  Not really punchier than a 45, but automatic and fairly controllable, integrally suppressed, accurate, armor piercing, and relatively simple to take care of.  The Val is even fairly concealable.
25-05-2020 10:09:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Plus they just *look* kinda like they were designed for children.  The Vintorez is just an adorable little gun.
25-05-2020 10:10:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: hmm, that's an idea.
25-05-2020 10:10:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Damn, maybe I'll make a future witch be a Russian girl who used a 9A which she stole from a SWAT team.  That would be entirely reasonable.
25-05-2020 10:11:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: and well, although I'm saying I'd prefer a pistol, if one isn't available, I'd take something else.
25-05-2020 10:11:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: If you go through criminals, pistols will *inevitably* be available.  They're like the most useful possible guns for criminals.
25-05-2020 10:12:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: If you rob civilians, then you'd be limited to shotguns and rifles.
25-05-2020 10:13:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: oh, would totally rob the army instead.
25-05-2020 10:14:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I don
25-05-2020 10:14:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: just do it in the most straightforwards way possible.  Use CC4 to smash a wall down, grab some guns and ammo, and Mob 3 away.
25-05-2020 10:14:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: 't know of an army that doesn't have pistols.
25-05-2020 10:14:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah, but they might not be in the exact right place.
25-05-2020 10:14:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: ...I feel like that would not work at all.
25-05-2020 10:15:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: You gotta break into the armory, and if you *don't* break into an armory you've gotta rob a soldier.
25-05-2020 10:15:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Vast majority of whom won't have weapons or ammo.
25-05-2020 10:16:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And those who do would be very willing to shoot you
25-05-2020 10:16:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah.
25-05-2020 10:16:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I think you're overestimating the amount of time it'd take.
25-05-2020 10:16:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: If you punch a guard and take his AR, then yeah, it'd be very fast.
25-05-2020 10:16:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: she runs at like 70 mph.  It's maaybe 20 seconds from the fence to the armoury.
25-05-2020 10:16:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Finding an armory on a military base?  Sure, if you know where it is.
25-05-2020 10:17:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: five, ten seconds to knock down the wall, if that.
25-05-2020 10:17:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: twenty seconds to grab something and run.
25-05-2020 10:18:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I've never tried to look up the floorplan of a military base online.
25-05-2020 10:18:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I'll agree, if you can just google up "where does the local military base keep their extremely dangerous weapons", then yes, it's simple and easy.
25-05-2020 10:19:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I feel like this isn't something you can do though.  I mean come on.
25-05-2020 10:19:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: well, no, but it won't be that hard.
25-05-2020 10:19:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And I just know you're going to hand me a floorplan of an actual military base complete with armory, now.  ._.
25-05-2020 10:22:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Nah, but these are magical girls.
25-05-2020 10:22:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: and remember, if you fail, you can fall back to 'CC a sentry.'
25-05-2020 10:25:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And yours is a magical girl with Amateur inn and cursed creativity, so her attempts at rezearch begin and end at Google, while her searching for the armory instead find the barracks.
25-05-2020 10:25:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah, I suppose.
25-05-2020 10:26:01 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Is the plan possible and decently likely to succeed to some degree?  Absolutely.
25-05-2020 10:26:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Is it a great plan?  Only if you like to accept real chances of failure plus consequences.
25-05-2020 10:26:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: although another option is to.. run into the base and check out buildings, until you find the armoury.
25-05-2020 10:26:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Yes, that would be a cre roll.
25-05-2020 10:26:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: they're not going to move it and you can come back a couple weeks later.
25-05-2020 10:27:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Buy a quadcopter and fly it into the base, streaming footage of all the buildings.
25-05-2020 10:27:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: They probably wouldn't even shoot it down.
25-05-2020 10:27:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: ..Hrm.  Yeah, that, that'd actually work disturbingly well.
25-05-2020 10:29:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: they wouldn't shoot it down?
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25-05-2020 10:30:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Think about it.
25-05-2020 10:30:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Quadcopters are very small targets, moving at a decent speed.  They're very hard to shoot, even with a *shotgun*.
25-05-2020 10:30:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Guards are almost certainly not carrying shotguns.
25-05-2020 10:30:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And then it's flying overhead.
25-05-2020 10:31:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And they're in a base, probably shooting further inside the base.
25-05-2020 10:31:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Quite possibly in or near the city.
25-05-2020 10:32:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: *Trying* to shoot it is a very unsafe idea regardless of whether you hit, and then those who are still foolish enough to try it are just unlikely to manage the feat.
25-05-2020 10:32:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm, ok.
25-05-2020 10:33:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: but flying a quad would be another int roll.  As would be interpreting the information.
25-05-2020 10:33:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I mean, they'd probably be easier, and I could get some help.
25-05-2020 10:33:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I don't know, just seems too thinky for her.
25-05-2020 10:33:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Sure, but easier, and very safe.
25-05-2020 10:33:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Oh absolutely.
25-05-2020 10:33:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Inn.
25-05-2020 10:33:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yes.
25-05-2020 10:34:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Not at *all* Alida's style, on any level.
25-05-2020 10:34:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Just popped into my mind, and we both know what I prioritize in plans.
25-05-2020 10:35:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yeah.
25-05-2020 10:36:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: now, to CC a sentry in human or woof form..
25-05-2020 10:36:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: woof can better take a bullet, but human much less likely to be shot.
25-05-2020 10:40:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I guess it'd depend on the terrain.
25-05-2020 10:40:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Not really.  Alida is a teen girl.  She could pretty much autosuccess every part of that.
25-05-2020 10:41:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah, not getting shot is pretty likely.
25-05-2020 10:41:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: even with no weapon, CC3 should let her steal the gun.
25-05-2020 10:41:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: and mob 3 means the sentry can no way catch her.
25-05-2020 10:41:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: plus with no gun, can't shoot her in the back.
25-05-2020 10:42:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: CC3 means autosuccess on the disarm, mobility means you can close distance fast, and just being an unarmed child means you're very unlikely to get shot if you don't do anything stupid.
25-05-2020 10:43:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Even the most paranoid high security guard on a base would handcuff her rather than shoot, unless she charged from far enough away that he could react.
25-05-2020 10:43:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: If he called backup, maybe that would be a problem, but you could probably still get him before they come.
25-05-2020 10:44:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: probably?
25-05-2020 10:44:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: unless the backup is, say, literally in the same room..
25-05-2020 10:46:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Well yeah.
25-05-2020 10:47:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: But I'd expect you to ambush someone who's at least somewhat isolated.
25-05-2020 10:47:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: A second person makes it much more difficult to do nonlethal, though it's certainly still possible.
25-05-2020 10:47:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yeah.
25-05-2020 10:47:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: no real reason to do letha.
25-05-2020 10:47:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Oh, there's a thought.
25-05-2020 10:47:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: lethal.
25-05-2020 10:47:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Not giving you that one though.
25-05-2020 10:48:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: aww.
25-05-2020 10:48:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: It's kinda obvious anyway, you could think of it.
25-05-2020 10:48:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm.
25-05-2020 10:48:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: well, I could see where someone goes to get guns.
25-05-2020 10:49:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: that's the way to find an armoury.
25-05-2020 10:50:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: No, 'I want to arm my dog' isn't as weird as 'please hypnotise my dog so it gets fluffier.'
25-05-2020 10:51:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Hmm.
25-05-2020 10:51:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Actually, no.  I could 100% seen a teen girl trying the latter.
25-05-2020 10:51:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: The former, need a bit of real insanity there.
25-05-2020 10:53:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Mmm.
25-05-2020 10:53:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: ok.
25-05-2020 10:53:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: It working would be weirder, then.
25-05-2020 10:53:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: 'hypnotise my dog to be sneakier'
25-05-2020 10:53:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Yes.
25-05-2020 10:56:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: eh.
25-05-2020 10:56:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: tbh, if she were to discover that, dunno what to actually use it for.
25-05-2020 11:03:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: so probably wouldn't do it.
25-05-2020 11:09:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: oh well, getting guns will probably happen.
25-05-2020 11:09:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: hmm, might take that storage power, then.
25-05-2020 11:10:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I looked up the AWP on Forgotten weapons.
25-05-2020 11:11:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yes?
25-05-2020 11:11:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: First thing, the guy was wrong about the designation, which I thought when I heard him but figured was probably just my error.  The AW series was adopted as the *L115*
25-05-2020 11:12:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Though I'd thought it was L116, so...
25-05-2020 11:12:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: His story was about the L96, which was actually the AI PM
25-05-2020 11:12:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And his story was apparently correct.
25-05-2020 11:13:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Gun Jesus told basically the exact same story, said it came directly from one of the AI Principles who had been involved, *and* consistently said it was only two guys, not three.
25-05-2020 11:14:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: heh.
25-05-2020 11:15:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: can you link his episode on it?
25-05-2020 11:15:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0IvoKwvEbs
25-05-2020 11:16:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: thank you.
25-05-2020 11:18:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: that sounds metaphorical.
25-05-2020 11:18:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: it might have actually been three guys.
25-05-2020 11:20:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Yeah.
25-05-2020 11:21:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Or five, who knows.
25-05-2020 11:21:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: A small number.
25-05-2020 11:21:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I am *so* envious of that bipod design, I love it.
25-05-2020 11:21:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Just pops right out, and even when mounted is nice and out of the way.
25-05-2020 11:22:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Heh.
25-05-2020 11:25:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I wonder how long it took until they found it out.
25-05-2020 11:27:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: It looks fairly simple.
25-05-2020 11:27:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: the rifle?
25-05-2020 11:27:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: The bipod.
25-05-2020 11:27:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: The rifle is clearly a revolutionary design.
25-05-2020 11:30:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm
25-05-2020 11:31:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I've never seen a naked L96 or AW before
25-05-2020 11:31:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: It's scandalous
25-05-2020 11:32:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Hah.
25-05-2020 11:36:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: hmm, there are probably three advantages to more fluff, anyway.  It'd make a harness more comfortable, it'd be less damaging to bump into people or things unintentionally, and it'd be a little bit of extra toughness.
25-05-2020 11:42:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: All true, but changing it won't be meaningful in game.  :P
25-05-2020 11:42:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Any suggestions on Cabal stuff to do?
25-05-2020 11:45:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm.
25-05-2020 11:46:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: well, there's still stuff to break down.
25-05-2020 11:46:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: got that control suit and the stuff from the badly broken lab.
25-05-2020 11:48:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: if you do that part, do specifically mention it's from the lab that made the sparrow fighter.
25-05-2020 11:59:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: it'd cut a turn from stuff to do before the auction.
25-05-2020 12:01:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: So... "look at the stuff retrieved from the lab that manufactured the sparrow"?
25-05-2020 12:02:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: "examine the items recovered from Lab 8, that made the sparrow fighter."
25-05-2020 12:02:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Wow.  The real Pancor Jackhammer is owned by a man named Chad.
25-05-2020 12:03:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And when Ian says this, he phrases it as "Chad, who is the owner of this gun, who was okay with me fondling it and getting it on video for you guys"
25-05-2020 12:03:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: A video of Gun Jesus fondling Chad's jackhammer,
25-05-2020 12:05:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: heh.
25-05-2020 12:13:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I don't know, the good guns make for fun videos, but so do the shitty ones.
25-05-2020 12:14:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5NK0M6HE3Y
25-05-2020 12:21:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: although I'm pretty sure gun jesus wouldn't even call that a 'gun'
25-05-2020 12:21:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: It's Ian, right?
25-05-2020 12:24:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Ian McCollum, which he says at the start of basically every vid, yeah.
25-05-2020 12:25:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: http://youtu.be/QHbqHx3TLBE
25-05-2020 12:25:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: There's the weapon for a magical girl.
25-05-2020 12:25:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: The Crossfire...
25-05-2020 12:25:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Well, I like how he says it was intended for people with an unreasonable expectation.
25-05-2020 12:26:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yes
25-05-2020 12:26:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I meant the other link.
25-05-2020 12:26:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: The PAW might actually be a good choice, yeah.
25-05-2020 12:27:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: 'might actually be'
25-05-2020 12:28:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I haven't watched the video, but it's been in a browser tab for awhile.
25-05-2020 12:28:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I don't know enough about its practical operation to say.
25-05-2020 12:28:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: If it's reliable and wieldy, plus you obtain an ammo supply somehow, then yes.
25-05-2020 12:29:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: it's basically easy-fire 20mm grenades on a six-shot magazine.
25-05-2020 12:29:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: he fires it at 8:10
25-05-2020 12:32:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: plus you could put it in a hiking pack.
25-05-2020 12:38:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Wow, that *is* a lot smaller than I thought it was.
25-05-2020 12:39:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Oh, plus for the pistols, with Stasis 1 they'd be stowable, where a rifle would take Stasis 2.
25-05-2020 12:39:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: When did you get stasis 1? ;p
25-05-2020 12:41:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: not yet.
25-05-2020 12:41:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: but getting one rank in powers is easier than two.
25-05-2020 12:41:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: and if offered two levels of Innocence, it'd be Teleporation 1, Stasis 1.
25-05-2020 12:45:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Teleport's obvious, but stasis?
25-05-2020 12:45:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Prediction's out because primary, and time stop's expensive, so those make sense.
25-05-2020 12:46:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Det is one of the best passive in the game though, and Refuge is very nice.
25-05-2020 12:47:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Can't fit wolf into Refuge 1.
25-05-2020 12:47:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: but yes, Det is tempting.
25-05-2020 12:47:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Ahhh.
25-05-2020 12:47:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: if it'd be possible now, it wouldn't be in like a week.
25-05-2020 12:48:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Yeah, the size constraint does make Stasis 1 win out for the most part.  Refuge has a bit more creative use, but is to expensive to take planning on that.
25-05-2020 12:49:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Hmm.
25-05-2020 12:49:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I could also get some plain grenades and hit them places.
25-05-2020 12:49:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Ref 1 only seems really useful to dode a really big attack or something.
25-05-2020 12:51:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I suppose could just turn back.
25-05-2020 12:56:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: It's more storage, and storage of much bigger stuff.  You can never store an anvil with stasis.  There's some abuses you can could do with the permanent entrances, especially with having control over the interior--you've always got your own summonable bunker, as an obvious use.
25-05-2020 12:56:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I think for the most part, its major cost limits how much it can be abused... but that's by design really.
25-05-2020 12:56:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: You can *absolutely* afford three or four majors a lab, and Innocence is otherwise very cheap.
25-05-2020 12:57:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: ahh, ok.
25-05-2020 12:57:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: although I don't know what use an anvil is in storage.
25-05-2020 12:57:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: a closet.
25-05-2020 12:58:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: the higher stages, sure.
25-05-2020 12:58:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: It's an example.  That manhole cover shield would count, or an M2 browning.
25-05-2020 12:58:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Ahh, yeah, I guess that'd work.
25-05-2020 12:58:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: although can't fit wolf armour in there.
25-05-2020 12:58:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: well, one piece.
25-05-2020 12:58:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Not at stage 1, no.
25-05-2020 12:59:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I think you could also use it as a semi-pemanent bridge between two places if you liked.
25-05-2020 12:59:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Maybe I should rebalance it a bit.  L3 doesn't need to be improved, but L1 has both size limits *and* control limits, which is a little harsh.
25-05-2020 13:00:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, that'd be nice.
25-05-2020 13:00:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: it'd make leaving for, say, the woods to be a damn sight easier.
25-05-2020 13:01:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Link the team's homes.
25-05-2020 13:01:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yeah.
25-05-2020 13:01:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: That tempts me to improve the L3 size to mansion, heh.
25-05-2020 13:01:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: how many entrances can you have?
25-05-2020 13:01:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I've never specified a limit and I've never had anyone use it outside of silly test games.
25-05-2020 13:02:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: When I wrote it I hadn't been considering multiple entrances, but I didn't ban them then and I don't see reason to do so now.
25-05-2020 13:02:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, one entrance is pretty limited.
25-05-2020 13:03:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: What do you think of buffing the size beyond "small house"?  I don't feel like that would really open it up to any particular abuse, and it could allow for more interesting stuff.
25-05-2020 13:04:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Depends on what you mean by small house.
25-05-2020 13:04:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: to be honest, it's fine.
25-05-2020 13:05:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: get five or six rooms and that's good.
25-05-2020 13:06:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: but I'm fine if you want to improve it.
25-05-2020 13:07:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: although I'd actually make level 1 bedroom, level 2 be like a japanese apartment with 2.5 rooms, and level 3 be a mansion.
25-05-2020 13:08:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Measuring the room I'm in, somewhere between 1000 and 1500 square feet was about what I was imagining.  But it'd deliberately very vauge.
25-05-2020 13:08:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: for level 3?
25-05-2020 13:08:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Yes.
25-05-2020 13:08:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: that's pretty good.
25-05-2020 13:10:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Level 1 is supposed to be small enough to be limiting--I don't want you to stick a car or something in there.  Maybe a motorcycle.  It'd be fair to be able to jam the whole team in, though.
25-05-2020 13:11:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Level 2 you're supposed to be able to store basically whatever you want unless it's insane.  Maaaybe a small tank, if you can somehow get hold of one.  Level 3 isn't much different, but would fit basically whatever tank and gets any furnishings and tools you want.  Supposed to be big enough to functionally act as your own base.
25-05-2020 13:12:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: hmm, ~22 weeks from 0 until wolf alida would fill 1000 square feet.
25-05-2020 13:12:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Umm.
25-05-2020 13:12:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Damn it, haven't installed python yet.
25-05-2020 13:13:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Height/weight?
25-05-2020 13:13:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: 12' 7 high and 13975 kg.
25-05-2020 13:15:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And she'd be eighty feet long...?
25-05-2020 13:15:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: refuge sounds pretty much fine.
25-05-2020 13:16:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I was assuming 2.5 length to height.
25-05-2020 13:16:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: How did you reach 1000 square feet???
25-05-2020 13:16:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: screwed up order of operations.
25-05-2020 13:17:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Hah
25-05-2020 13:17:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: BFD
25-05-2020 13:17:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: although.. hmm.
25-05-2020 13:18:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: wouldn't it be (x)(2.5x) for area?
25-05-2020 13:18:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: so 2.5x + x2
25-05-2020 13:18:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: ugh.
25-05-2020 13:18:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: dumb right now.
25-05-2020 13:18:50 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh pats Devastator's head
25-05-2020 13:18:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Don't worry, you're up ridiculously late.
25-05-2020 13:19:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I get dumb when it's late too.
25-05-2020 13:19:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, that's 2.5x2, so around the one-year mark.
25-05-2020 13:20:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Yes, I need to make an adjustment to refuge L3.
25-05-2020 13:21:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: "...or just large enough to contain your wolf form, if that is larger."
25-05-2020 13:21:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: well, you could still have the rest of the team in there too, they'd be inside the fluff.  ;-p
25-05-2020 13:21:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Though really I think I'd measure the square footage of my dog first.
25-05-2020 13:21:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Heh.
25-05-2020 13:21:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: you have a dog?
25-05-2020 13:21:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Dogs are much more efficient than squares.
25-05-2020 13:21:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I thought you had infinite cats.
25-05-2020 13:21:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Yes?  Her name is Bastet.
25-05-2020 13:21:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, probably.
25-05-2020 13:22:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Huh.
25-05-2020 13:22:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: well, that makes sense.
25-05-2020 13:22:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Do you want a picture?
25-05-2020 13:22:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Nah, that's fine.
25-05-2020 13:22:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: no thank you.
25-05-2020 13:22:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: going away soon.
25-05-2020 13:22:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Good choice, she's kinda an ugly dog. ;p
25-05-2020 13:24:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: and yeah, she probably could squeeze in for some time after.
25-05-2020 13:24:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: doubt she'll live a year, anyway.
25-05-2020 13:24:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: even if I get paris to knock off a couple weeks with ruler's rune.
25-05-2020 13:24:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Ada, sorry.
25-05-2020 13:25:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: What are you saying?  Alida's almost survived three years.
25-05-2020 13:25:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: you know what I mean, game time.
25-05-2020 13:25:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: man, that'd motivate you to update quicker.
25-05-2020 13:26:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: if she grew according to real-time.  ;-p
25-05-2020 13:26:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: "Alida is now a Kaiju."
25-05-2020 13:26:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Height for 36 months?
25-05-2020 13:26:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Just a sec.
25-05-2020 13:27:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: what's that in weeks?
25-05-2020 13:28:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: 156, ok
25-05-2020 13:28:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: 37' 1"
25-05-2020 13:28:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: so yeah, kaiju really.
25-05-2020 13:29:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: That sounds like it'd only be Huge in K-Com...
25-05-2020 13:29:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: She'd be like a hundred feet long.
25-05-2020 13:29:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: nah, that's Giant.
25-05-2020 13:30:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: A C130 is 98 feet long.
25-05-2020 13:30:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, not that much.
25-05-2020 13:30:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Huge then.
25-05-2020 13:30:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: 37*2.5 is only 93.
25-05-2020 13:30:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: it's a bit big for large.
25-05-2020 13:31:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I'm happy the poorly written algorithm works out so well.
25-05-2020 13:31:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: That's big enough that it'd matter, but at three years she'd already have reached bacon eggs dogs.
25-05-2020 13:32:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: presumably.
25-05-2020 13:33:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Hmm.  Actually, can extrapolate bacon eggs dogs cleanly from the anime.
25-05-2020 13:33:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah?
25-05-2020 13:34:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: ~100 loops, each of which is about a month.
25-05-2020 13:34:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: lot more than three years.
25-05-2020 13:34:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: At minimum, meguca gets +1 meguca power every loop, and probably gets more than one witch on average.
25-05-2020 13:35:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Maximum power source is instead the total karmic whatever of the entire planet times 100 minus however many loops it takes to get a planet destroying witch.
25-05-2020 13:36:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Mm, nevermind, not cleanly.
25-05-2020 13:36:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Heh.
25-05-2020 13:37:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Still, I'd estimate that to be somewhere around 70-80 planets worth of karma.
25-05-2020 13:37:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Because by that metric it's a very exponential growth.
25-05-2020 13:37:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Sounds like a bunch.
25-05-2020 13:39:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: also, I'd expect alida's wolf-form to eventually get a bit squishy due to the various personal factors, anyway.
25-05-2020 13:40:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: hmm, would it be exponential?  Just +1 to +3 each go.
25-05-2020 13:40:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: not multiplying by itself.
25-05-2020 13:41:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: that's like linear.
25-05-2020 13:42:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: if meguca goes witch, Homura resets it before the planet is harvested.
25-05-2020 13:42:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: She affects more people the bigger her witch is, which makes her next witch even bigger and affecting more people.
25-05-2020 13:42:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Plus it gets harder to stop and more likely to survive longer.
25-05-2020 13:43:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I figure that the karma of people who would have been killed if time weren't reset, that's wrapped up in her karma when the loop happens.
25-05-2020 13:44:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: ahh.  I don't know about that.
25-05-2020 13:44:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I'd figure the reset happens immediately before that would.
25-05-2020 13:44:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: but I can see that PoV.
25-05-2020 13:44:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: ..also, maybe witches don't get stronger from affecting people.
25-05-2020 13:45:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Nah, they must.
25-05-2020 13:45:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Else how would familiars grow into witches?
25-05-2020 13:46:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: If it were purely the inverse of their wish and actions in life, then there'd be a hard limit on witch lifespan and familiar reproduction would be nonviable because they can only slpit.
25-05-2020 13:46:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: But if they consume karma from their victims, that gives them an indefinite lifespan, and allows familiars to grow into witches by consumption of mundane human karma.
25-05-2020 13:47:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Maybe only familiars can consume.
25-05-2020 13:47:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: witches burn down, familiars can go up and then down again.
25-05-2020 13:47:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Plus, a magical girl's fate is what determines her power.  Cutebae stated that Madoka's power would be understandable if she were a messiah or something, who affects *many many* people.
25-05-2020 13:48:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: ...And consider that this power would be usable *before* that fate came about, being rolled into the wish's power.
25-05-2020 13:48:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm, yeah.
25-05-2020 13:48:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: could be at multiple worlds at the end.
25-05-2020 13:49:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Therefore the people she's destined to affect supply her with some power.  And if it weren't for Homura, she'd be destined to affect the entire planet.  Arguably more if she looped past the point of "eat the solar system, and survives to go hunt down other planets"
25-05-2020 13:49:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Which does do a good job of justifying why she'd be able to rewrite the fucking universe.
25-05-2020 13:50:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: mmm, yeah.
25-05-2020 13:51:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Also, I think from the start there's "multiple" worlds.  Since Homura's power is all but explicitly stated to work by hopping into another one and tying their fates together.
25-05-2020 13:52:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Though it's weird and doesn't really make that much sense.  Plus it's also kinda depressing, since she basically fucked over a hundred Earths to give Earth #101 a Jesus.
25-05-2020 13:52:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: didn't happen, time reset.  ;-p
25-05-2020 13:52:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: And I still hold that by utilitarian logic the ending wasn't a net positive!
25-05-2020 13:53:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Fucking utility monsters are TOTALLY moral!
25-05-2020 13:53:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I only now realize that witches are literally textbook utility monsters, huh.
25-05-2020 13:53:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: hehe.
25-05-2020 13:53:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Only took me three years to realize.  Damn this show is too good.  >.<
25-05-2020 13:55:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: That it is.
25-05-2020 13:55:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: so if MG's save lives do they get anything from it?
25-05-2020 13:55:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Maybe we should watch the other anime that Urobutcher wrote.
25-05-2020 13:55:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Yes, they get it when they first make their wish.
25-05-2020 13:55:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: what was it called?
25-05-2020 13:56:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: ahh.
25-05-2020 13:56:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Psycho-pass
25-05-2020 13:56:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I watched the first three episodes a yesr or so before seeing PM3, it was decent but hadn't seemed impressive or anything.
25-05-2020 13:56:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Kinda followed a monster of the week format.
25-05-2020 13:57:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: that could be fine.
25-05-2020 14:01:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Mm.
25-05-2020 14:01:49 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: I should write a Cabal turn, and you should go to sleep, I think.
25-05-2020 14:02:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: ok.
25-05-2020 14:02:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: I slept a bunch already.
25-05-2020 14:12:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Be neat to read a random sci-fi fanfic which has a cutebae cameo where they talk about providing free power sources to races which need it.  Have them describe how they're not actually able to meet demand, causing that race to have severe resource wars and other problems.  And then have the cute bae reveal how the wraith system works, setting them firmly in a universe post Pink Jesus.
25-05-2020 14:15:39 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Might then have them ask for money from the (empathic) Federation or w/e, to fund the operation to capture the law of cycles.
25-05-2020 14:16:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.imh.osh: Just put it on fanfiction.net right next to the millionth "Homura and Madoka get to be together and not suffer" fic.
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25-05-2020 23:07:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Heya.
25-05-2020 23:07:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: sorry Piecewise_
25-05-2020 23:08:51 < Piecewise_!Piecewise@76.4.rzl.ijk: ?
25-05-2020 23:09:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Just for asking for that.
25-05-2020 23:09:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: Also, real deficiency of animal words.  ;-p
25-05-2020 23:10:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: there's one more question, though, how many can I take?
25-05-2020 23:24:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: eh, I'll just go with a bunch then.
25-05-2020 23:24:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@c080-099-0-411.bchsia.telus.net: say 6.
25-05-2020 23:48:11 < Piecewise_!Piecewise@76.4.rzl.ijk: Sounds ok