02-05-2020 01:01:45 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: "I'll just be over here, basking in the knowledge of a job well done and plotting acts of violence." 02-05-2020 02:08:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: mmm 02-05-2020 02:08:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: whatever that means. 02-05-2020 02:08:31 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yes 02-05-2020 02:09:07 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: how much longer would my demon building take if I improved it to Huge size? 02-05-2020 02:10:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: in capabilities? 02-05-2020 02:10:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ie, capable of bringing in huge equipment? 02-05-2020 02:10:35 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yes, able to build huge size units / large size biological units 02-05-2020 02:12:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Not much more, actually. 02-05-2020 02:13:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: but I'm going to say 'not possible until you do the first one.' 02-05-2020 02:13:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: gotta go through it as a gate. 02-05-2020 02:13:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: ? 02-05-2020 02:14:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: no making spinoff buildings of this until you finish the first one. 02-05-2020 02:15:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: but going for larger ones is not going to take very long. 02-05-2020 02:15:06 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I'm not. I'm adjusting the design. 02-05-2020 02:17:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, sorry. The hard part's all working with the whole demon contact things. 02-05-2020 02:17:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: You'll have to modify the final design here. 02-05-2020 02:17:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it won't take any longer that way. 02-05-2020 02:17:48 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I'm supposed to be able to modify the design though 02-05-2020 02:21:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah, stick with the catgirls, though. 02-05-2020 02:21:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it won't be expensive. 02-05-2020 02:21:34 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I AM 02-05-2020 02:21:39 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I have two labs! 02-05-2020 02:22:00 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: I want to adjust the design of them both! 02-05-2020 02:22:44 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: and I don't know what you mean by it not being expensive! What is it you're referring to? 02-05-2020 02:23:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: allowing the portal to deal with large units. 02-05-2020 02:23:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it'll be about three or four. 02-05-2020 02:24:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: but I'd rather gate it after it's built, it won't cost any more. 02-05-2020 02:24:36 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: how can an improvement not cost anything...? 02-05-2020 02:25:17 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: If I use a heart, will I need yet another heart to build the improved version? 02-05-2020 02:26:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Yes for that one. 02-05-2020 02:26:28 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yeah, I'd rather not do that? 02-05-2020 02:26:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it will be the same time either way, but this way you'd get to use it for three or four more months. 02-05-2020 02:26:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: let me just adjust it now 02-05-2020 02:27:03 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: no, that way I'll need three hearts rather than two 02-05-2020 02:27:11 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: or no, four 02-05-2020 02:27:40 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: one to research it, one to build it, another to research the better one, another to build the better one 02-05-2020 02:28:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: You won't need a second heart for the upgrade project. 02-05-2020 02:28:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: unless you use one. 02-05-2020 02:28:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: you need a second heart if you use a second heart. 02-05-2020 02:32:53 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: well, can I upgrade my facility without spending a third heart then? 02-05-2020 02:33:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: yeah. 02-05-2020 02:33:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: won't need extra hearts unless you use them. 02-05-2020 02:33:23 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: well, that's not vague 02-05-2020 02:34:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: that's a 'no, you don't need any more hearts' 02-05-2020 02:35:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: if you choose to use extra hearts, then yes. 02-05-2020 04:18:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: hmm. 02-05-2020 04:18:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: just realized Saeko doesn't glow anymore. 02-05-2020 04:18:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: can you ask dubs to confirm that? 02-05-2020 06:19:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: anyway, posted. 02-05-2020 06:20:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: got this turn and one more day to loot the ruins. 02-05-2020 08:08:29 -!- syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt has joined #einsteinianroulette 02-05-2020 08:10:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: hey syv. 02-05-2020 08:10:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: hey dev. 02-05-2020 08:11:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: getting by? 02-05-2020 08:11:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: In a sense. 02-05-2020 08:20:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: mmm. 02-05-2020 08:21:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Oh hey, you didn't remove my two dual-warhead consumables that I used on the jets. 02-05-2020 08:24:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: That one I was going to clean up later. 02-05-2020 08:35:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: thanks for the self-reporting. 02-05-2020 08:37:51 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt shrugs 02-05-2020 08:38:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Winning is no fun if I do it by accidentally cheating. 02-05-2020 08:38:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I do hope you guys can win. 02-05-2020 08:38:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: I can already very nearly lick my own elbow. 02-05-2020 08:39:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: If my tongue was just an inch longer, or my upper arm were an inch shorter... 02-05-2020 08:40:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: okay. 02-05-2020 08:44:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: two days left in Cabal. 02-05-2020 08:47:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Where'd all our days go? :P 02-05-2020 08:49:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: time after time. 02-05-2020 08:49:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ;-p 02-05-2020 08:49:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: but yeah, getting the core out took like three extra days. 02-05-2020 08:49:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I'll have time for some steel layers but have to return to finish things. 02-05-2020 08:54:55 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: flyyy me to the moooon 02-05-2020 08:57:52 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: syv? Devastator? time for more anime? 02-05-2020 08:59:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: No 02-05-2020 08:59:43 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: sad! 02-05-2020 09:02:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: thanks for stopping by. 02-05-2020 09:03:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Ugh, should I even *bother* with disassembling a fighter? 02-05-2020 09:03:34 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: yes 02-05-2020 09:03:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: I'm not asking you. 02-05-2020 09:03:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: up to you. 02-05-2020 09:04:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Well that's helpful. 02-05-2020 09:04:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: might have some neat stuff, but there's lots of neat stuff. 02-05-2020 09:04:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: sorry. 02-05-2020 09:04:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Egan, you got any argument in favor of doing it? 02-05-2020 09:04:50 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: need it for 100% 02-05-2020 09:05:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Not persuasive, 100% isn't an option at this point. 02-05-2020 09:05:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: got some sensors and communications gear. 02-05-2020 09:05:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and the magicoal fueling stuff. 02-05-2020 09:06:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Magicoal fueling doesn't seem useful, it's a power source that's used to power things we don't have. 02-05-2020 09:06:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Sensors and comms are things we can make, and have no immediate use for. 02-05-2020 09:07:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: do the golems then. 02-05-2020 09:07:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and I totally want some of the fuel systems. I'll take care of that, then. 02-05-2020 09:07:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Annoyingly, I DID do the golems last turn. Was just ignored. 02-05-2020 09:09:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: yeah. 02-05-2020 09:09:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I suppose I could get two more days and see if PW forgets the 3-day trip. ;-p 02-05-2020 09:11:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Ugh, you have deactivated golems in your charsheet Dev. 02-05-2020 09:11:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Where'd those come from? 02-05-2020 09:12:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: must have been the ones we found. 02-05-2020 09:12:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: not sure. 02-05-2020 09:13:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Looting this place is very irritating. 02-05-2020 09:13:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: We've got three separate people doing things, and haphazard logging of what is done. 02-05-2020 09:14:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: It strays back into the old problem of having to do work just to *avoid* cheating. 02-05-2020 09:14:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: they were armoury golems. 02-05-2020 09:15:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: were added along with the stuff recovered from an armoury. 02-05-2020 09:20:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: so keeping them. 02-05-2020 09:20:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and we're almost done. ;-p 02-05-2020 09:20:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Poor Benedict. 02-05-2020 09:21:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: hmm? 02-05-2020 09:21:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: having to carry this stuff? ;-p 02-05-2020 09:21:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Yeah. 02-05-2020 09:21:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: oh well, he got to sit around and laze about for most of a month. ;-p 02-05-2020 09:21:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and got to kill stuff. 02-05-2020 09:22:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Three golems are probably quite heavy, on top of a large crew, literal barrels of magicoal, prolly a couple robots, a ton of thaumic tools... 02-05-2020 09:22:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and he got to go from catbird to biggest catbird. 02-05-2020 09:22:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: yeah. 02-05-2020 09:23:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I didn't think the golems were so big. Might leave them behind then. 02-05-2020 09:23:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: When are golems *small*? 02-05-2020 09:25:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: ...Agh, damn it, never wore a control suit. 02-05-2020 09:25:32 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: in the control room? 02-05-2020 09:26:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: lots of times. And lots of times they aren't as giant as those ones. 02-05-2020 09:26:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it's ok. 02-05-2020 09:26:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: did that already, didn't work without power. 02-05-2020 09:26:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and, I hate to say it, not enough time to properly investigate that. 02-05-2020 09:27:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Powering it is simple, jam mana into it. 02-05-2020 09:27:18 -!- RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be has joined #einsteinianroulette 02-05-2020 09:27:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: oh, hey, RC. 02-05-2020 09:27:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: And yes there's enough time to check whether we have a free mecha. 02-05-2020 09:27:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: I mean come on. 02-05-2020 09:27:40 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: you linked them to the remains of massive statues outside 02-05-2020 09:27:55 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Hey there you permanently stuck speedometers. 02-05-2020 09:27:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Exactly. 02-05-2020 09:28:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: What do you want? 02-05-2020 09:28:10 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: so they're not gonna work unless you feel like repairing the statue of liberty golem 02-05-2020 09:28:21 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Right now, I want food! 02-05-2020 09:28:32 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: And it's warming up as we speak so that's pretty convenient. 02-05-2020 09:28:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Let me rephrase; why are you here? 02-05-2020 09:28:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ok, go for it then. 02-05-2020 09:28:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: something wrong? 02-05-2020 09:29:25 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Hmm, does 'idle distraction' count? 02-05-2020 09:29:59 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: these bastards don't want to watch eva with me tonight 02-05-2020 09:30:03 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: can you believe it 02-05-2020 09:30:09 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: What?! 02-05-2020 09:30:25 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: These madmen. 02-05-2020 09:30:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: It's five thirty AM, Egan. 02-05-2020 09:30:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: If you want to watch anime, maybe try at a more reasonable time? 02-05-2020 09:31:06 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: mhm 02-05-2020 09:32:36 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Ooh! Yesterday Pan and I provided extra airholes to a lot of robot craniums! 02-05-2020 09:32:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ok. 02-05-2020 09:33:23 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Managed to beat the last boss even! 02-05-2020 09:33:29 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: 'twas fun. 02-05-2020 09:34:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Congrats. 02-05-2020 09:34:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Which class? 02-05-2020 09:35:46 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Raider both. Pan first tried heavy for a bit but it didn't work out that well. 02-05-2020 09:36:00 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Though he did find a minigun that was kind of disgusting after he upgraded it. 02-05-2020 09:36:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Red? 02-05-2020 09:36:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: My only win had a red AA12 with like twelve upgrades piled onto it. 02-05-2020 09:36:45 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: red is in synthetik? 02-05-2020 09:37:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: It's a rarity. Legendary stuff is red-colored. 02-05-2020 09:37:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: They're all ridiculously minmaxed guns, often to the point of the min making it less practical than normal guns. But not always. 02-05-2020 09:37:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: mmm. 02-05-2020 09:38:18 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: I think it was one step below red. 02-05-2020 09:38:28 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Could look it up if you want. 02-05-2020 09:38:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Eh, nah. 02-05-2020 09:38:53 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: He did have a red railgun that shot through cover, that was also disgusting :p 02-05-2020 09:39:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: bang 02-05-2020 09:46:44 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: And how! 02-05-2020 09:46:57 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: the only way for those rounds to stop going is by traveling off-map. 02-05-2020 09:47:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: bang bang bang. 02-05-2020 09:49:47 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: That was about how the sequence for dealing with the tanks went, yeah. 02-05-2020 09:50:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: booom. 02-05-2020 09:50:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: what is the boss, anyway? 02-05-2020 09:51:38 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: 3 levels of the boss stage. 02-05-2020 09:51:52 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: lvl1: 2 tanks. Pretty easy honestly. 02-05-2020 09:52:04 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Lvl2: disco room. FUCKING DICSO ROOM. 02-05-2020 09:52:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: gotten that far. 02-05-2020 09:52:52 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: lvl3: last defender, a boss fight kinda like the raptor fight, but with orbital lasers chasing you and disco tiles and health for days. 02-05-2020 09:52:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: what is the boss? 02-05-2020 09:53:09 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Last defender is the last boss. 02-05-2020 09:53:13 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Then you go into loop. 02-05-2020 09:54:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: oh, so back to the beginning. 02-05-2020 09:54:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: no end. 02-05-2020 09:54:50 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Not really, far as I know. 02-05-2020 09:55:04 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Not sure what happens if you beat the last boss in the loop again. 02-05-2020 09:55:11 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Things get loopier I guess. 02-05-2020 09:55:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Yeah. Infinite loops. 02-05-2020 09:56:49 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: loopdeloop 02-05-2020 09:56:59 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: But with bullets. 02-05-2020 09:57:25 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: but yeah, the penalties get stacked pretty damn high after a few rooms in loop. 02-05-2020 09:57:57 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: The raider healing item gave back like 70 health, an health regen was very slashed as well. 02-05-2020 09:58:20 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Combined with higher enemy damage, just one blast can obliterate you. 02-05-2020 09:58:27 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Oh well, still a good run. 02-05-2020 09:59:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, well done. 02-05-2020 09:59:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: time to recycle that stim. 02-05-2020 10:00:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Hrm. My computer just crashed for no apparent reason. 02-05-2020 10:00:58 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Really should start trying other classes, but muh double dash ;_; 02-05-2020 10:01:19 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Have you tried downloading more RAM? 02-05-2020 10:01:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: And turning it back on made it last about one second before recrashing. 02-05-2020 10:01:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Well, fuck. 02-05-2020 10:02:03 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Oof. Yeah, I'd unplug it and leave it alone for a bit, then try starting in safe mode if it gets that far. 02-05-2020 10:02:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: ...Yeah, okay. Why the unplug? 02-05-2020 10:03:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: volatile memory issues, or maybe a short somewhere. 02-05-2020 10:03:50 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Not 100% sure, but it has helped for me in the past. 02-05-2020 10:04:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: Voodoo, got it. :P 02-05-2020 10:04:16 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Could be static charge building up as well. 02-05-2020 10:04:43 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: https://youtu.be/wy-sVTaZRPk 02-05-2020 10:05:32 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: It wasn't just me imagining things, fairly sure, but it's something easy you could try. 02-05-2020 10:06:45 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: I think I'm about to go, but before I do, a small anecdote: 02-05-2020 10:06:56 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Recently the university gym I normally use sent its members a link to a website with small videos on various exercises you can do from home. Ok I think, let me take a look and see what they have. 02-05-2020 10:07:02 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: 'TotalBody' Ok, sure. 02-05-2020 10:07:07 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: 'HardCore 2' Oh, this one’s a series. 02-05-2020 10:07:14 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: 'ButtBlaster 12' ... 02-05-2020 10:07:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: that not porn? 02-05-2020 10:07:39 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: One would be forgiven for thinking so, yeah :p 02-05-2020 10:07:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt: That... no, that does sound like a crappy workout name. 02-05-2020 10:08:41 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: The fact that it was university approved just made it all the better. 02-05-2020 10:09:19 < RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be: Anyways, I bid you gentlemen adieu. 02-05-2020 10:09:37 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: no 02-05-2020 10:09:40 < ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com: you must stay 02-05-2020 10:09:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ok 02-05-2020 10:09:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: see you. 02-05-2020 10:09:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: come back soonish. 02-05-2020 10:10:07 -!- RadioControlled!Mibbit@611.15-335-40.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02-05-2020 11:38:38 -!- syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.qio.xrt has quit [Quit: You hear a distant scream of "FUCK T-MOBILE!"] 02-05-2020 12:50:11 -!- ER!ER@444-989-172-914.res.spectrum.com has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 02-05-2020 22:12:06 -!- IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net has joined #einsteinianroulette 02-05-2020 22:12:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Heya IO. 02-05-2020 22:12:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: M:TW is very much exclusive fullscreen, so hard to do chat. I'll keep backing out. 02-05-2020 22:13:12 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: kk 02-05-2020 22:14:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Also not sure about the volume. 02-05-2020 22:15:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: should be up now. 02-05-2020 22:15:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: twitch.tv/kofiman19 02-05-2020 22:15:41 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: I'm getting sound but I can't see anything 02-05-2020 22:16:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: I hear coins but I cannot see the shinies 02-05-2020 22:26:20 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: I don't know what's going on but are you a real conquerer if the pope hasn't excommunicated you several times? 02-05-2020 22:31:12 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: are you inquisitioning your rivals after having been excommunicated by the pope? 02-05-2020 22:50:24 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: this is very festive post-murder music 02-05-2020 22:51:10 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: Dev? SAVESCUMMING?! 02-05-2020 22:51:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: no, not been excommunicated. 02-05-2020 22:51:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and yes, been excommunicated a few times. 02-05-2020 22:51:53 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: still can't see anything~ 02-05-2020 22:52:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: welp. 02-05-2020 22:52:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I'll see if I can fix that. 02-05-2020 22:52:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: sorry. 02-05-2020 22:53:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: okay, this should work. 02-05-2020 22:53:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I'll check back sooner. 02-05-2020 22:53:12 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: hehe 02-05-2020 22:53:25 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: fullscreen isn't a problem when everything's working, buuuuuuuut~ 02-05-2020 22:53:34 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: ah, there we go 02-05-2020 22:54:04 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: this is far more dated-looking than I expected 02-05-2020 22:54:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Ok, that works. 02-05-2020 22:54:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: laggy as fuck, but that's to be expected. 02-05-2020 22:54:58 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: sadly yes 02-05-2020 22:55:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Not happy about streaming this. 02-05-2020 22:55:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: not happy about running it in the first place. 02-05-2020 22:55:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ;-p 02-05-2020 22:55:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it wants stuff that sits in its boxes. 02-05-2020 22:55:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ok, will go back to playing. 02-05-2020 23:15:03 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: "Craven whoreson" really doesn't appear enough in anything 02-05-2020 23:28:31 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: this is probably a good place to call it 02-05-2020 23:28:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Yeah, thanks. 02-05-2020 23:28:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and yes. 02-05-2020 23:29:08 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: so that was pretty interesting 02-05-2020 23:29:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: yeah? 02-05-2020 23:30:35 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: RTS with really oldschool overmap 02-05-2020 23:30:45 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: couldn't tell what was happening most of the time, but I saw the usual signs 02-05-2020 23:30:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: The province-based system is much better. 02-05-2020 23:30:53 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: stats, unit stacks, spending money on things 02-05-2020 23:31:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: basically, a settlement is the territory around it. 02-05-2020 23:31:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: and you can move things to adjacent provinces. 02-05-2020 23:31:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: the overseas stuff was because I had lots of ports and boats all over the place. 02-05-2020 23:31:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: It was changed due to graphical advancements rather than anything else. 02-05-2020 23:32:14 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: did later entries use more discrete settlements? 02-05-2020 23:32:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Only the first two used provinces. 02-05-2020 23:33:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: every subsequent game has a tile-based worldmap with cities placed upon it. 02-05-2020 23:33:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: they often have provinces for things like controlled area and map purposes, but it's about the tiles. 02-05-2020 23:33:46 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: gets a bit fiddly, I presume? 02-05-2020 23:33:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: so insead of moving like three stacks around, you ahve to shove them all in close. 02-05-2020 23:33:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: yeah, even more so than that. 02-05-2020 23:34:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: plus it adds lots of features like 'lightning strikes' which prevents the AI from getting a big stack together, because if one does, you can always pick off each element in an individual battle. 02-05-2020 23:34:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: which, you know, makes the player feel great for setting it up... when the skill involved is 'push a button'. 02-05-2020 23:35:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: There was also that battle. I had much better units than the AI, but the AI made me lose a goodly number of troops there, and didn't leave any obvious mistakes in unit handling. 02-05-2020 23:36:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I was only able to get probably one or two good matchups. 02-05-2020 23:36:14 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: I couldn't entirely tell what was going on, but I notice everyone didn't just clump together into a mash 02-05-2020 23:36:19 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: there was at least one actual flank 02-05-2020 23:36:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: well, it got messy because it always did. 02-05-2020 23:36:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: but in general I made a line and the AI counterattacked when I put a light cav unit on a hill in front of it's line. 02-05-2020 23:36:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: its line. 02-05-2020 23:37:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it managed to overwhelm that end of the line and destroyed a unit of spears, about half of a couple units of archers, and two units of light cav I had to fill the gap in. 02-05-2020 23:38:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I ended up winning that part when I got a spear unit on top of that hill and unengaged where it could work into the backside of the enemy general unit who made that rout happen, but the AI had no tools left to stop me. It did have a reserve unit, but it was used to keep me from rolling up the left flank similarly. 02-05-2020 23:38:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: threw it away into the charge of the best unit I had on that battlefield, my full on knight unit. 02-05-2020 23:38:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: which I'd kept as a reserve so I could turn a flank properly. 02-05-2020 23:39:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ..there are a lot more morale modifiers in Medieval than the later game, so if you have someone surrounded, or if you have the high ground, or if you're alone.. all those things matter. 02-05-2020 23:40:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: basically it killed about 2/3 the value of its units of my units, and I had about twice the overall power, taking in account my better general. So I'd say that battle had me perform slightly worse than what you'd expect from it on paper. 02-05-2020 23:41:07 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: also cool 02-05-2020 23:41:22 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: lots of games, uh... go with the exponential wins calculation 02-05-2020 23:41:36 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: bigger army crushes smaller army with fewer losses 02-05-2020 23:42:06 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: I mean, this kinda did as well, but not nearly as much 02-05-2020 23:43:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: It's true in MTW. If you have more units you can surround enemies, or you can tie them up and do stuff like getting back charges, or pin them and shoot arrows with your extra troops. 02-05-2020 23:43:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: What's different is that the AI knows how to buy kills, and goes for them. 02-05-2020 23:43:48 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: I see 02-05-2020 23:44:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: so it's very hard to get away with extremely few or no losses. 02-05-2020 23:45:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: If you do play it, play the XL mod. 02-05-2020 23:45:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it removes peasants from being buildable and does some other improvements. 02-05-2020 23:46:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: that helps the AI, because you can't do squat with those. 02-05-2020 23:47:09 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: peasants being buildable? 02-05-2020 23:47:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: yeah. 02-05-2020 23:47:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: a unit that takes nothing other than the basic fort in a province. Comes in default-size 100 groups, are crap. 02-05-2020 23:47:50 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: like a really shitty military unit or what? 02-05-2020 23:48:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: it's AI bait and causes them to spend money on something nearly worthless. Also makes upkeep garrisons too easy and cheap to build. 02-05-2020 23:48:35 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: ah 02-05-2020 23:48:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: just about every unit other than them can be used for some purpose. 02-05-2020 23:49:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I've lost more than one general to the basic urban militia, which are basically them but with armour-piercing weapons and a smaller unit size. 02-05-2020 23:49:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: probably the next most pathetic unit. ;-p 02-05-2020 23:50:46 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: generals are a shitty unit? 02-05-2020 23:51:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: They can be anything, but it's common for them to be pretty good units. 02-05-2020 23:51:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Whoever is in charge is the general. 02-05-2020 23:51:26 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: ah 02-05-2020 23:51:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: if the king is there, the king is the general. Other than that, it's whoever has the most command stars. 02-05-2020 23:51:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: if there's a tie, it goes to whoever has a title. If that ties, it's whoever is in the best unit. 02-05-2020 23:52:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: I think the tiebreaker for that is which unit has the lower ID number. 02-05-2020 23:52:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: which implies it's been around longer or built in a lower index province, if the same age. 02-05-2020 23:52:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: but it's whoever is in charge of the battle, and losing that unit sucks. 02-05-2020 23:53:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: means all the general-related bonuses go away and everyone takes a significant morale hit and is more ready to run away. 02-05-2020 23:53:11 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: does that mean each unit has both unit stats and leader stats? 02-05-2020 23:53:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Yes. 02-05-2020 23:53:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: you right-click on any unit and it brings up the leader of that unit. 02-05-2020 23:53:31 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: interesting 02-05-2020 23:53:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: is that not the case in modern ones? 02-05-2020 23:53:49 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: is managing leadership a big part of the game? 02-05-2020 23:53:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Very much so. 02-05-2020 23:53:58 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: I wouldn't know, but I've never heard of something like that for any other game 02-05-2020 23:54:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: an eight-star general (one less than the max) makes a light cavalry unit equivalent to a knight. 02-05-2020 23:54:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: except against arrows. 02-05-2020 23:55:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: the other stats are less important, but they're still there. 02-05-2020 23:55:21 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@hz60-6-96-87.sd.sd.cox.net: so it basically lets your units level, just in a somewhat indirect way 02-05-2020 23:56:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Units do level. 02-05-2020 23:57:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: although it's on an individual soldier basis. 02-05-2020 23:57:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Just a sec. 02-05-2020 23:58:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: each individual soldier has a 'valor' rating, which adds +1 attack and defense per point. 02-05-2020 23:58:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: if that soldier gets kills, that can increase. 02-05-2020 23:59:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Looking at the logfile, soldier #52 in that spanish jinette unit that survived with 12 guys had 11 kills or captures, and went from a personal rating of 0 valour to 3 valour.