04-01-2020 00:00:35 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I have 800 bux right now, so money's less valuable to me than research~
04-01-2020 00:00:53 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: fuckin
04-01-2020 00:00:55 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I could probably figure out a money value
04-01-2020 00:00:56 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: eat the rich
04-01-2020 00:01:00 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: lol
04-01-2020 00:01:08 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: political orgs be like that sometimes~
04-01-2020 00:01:13 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: how can you just *not spend*
04-01-2020 00:01:39 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I do spend, I also just RAKE IN THE CAAAASH
04-01-2020 00:01:49 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ...to be fair, intel gimmick happens to EAT my money
04-01-2020 00:02:07 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: not a lot of it, but it's probably negative value compared to you
04-01-2020 00:02:20 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: https://extrafabulouscomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/HIDDEN-TREASURE-e1515463139706.png
04-01-2020 00:02:48 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: speaking of, I hear you got a raise
04-01-2020 00:02:55 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: oho, you hear things like that?
04-01-2020 00:03:11 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: "three pluses?"
04-01-2020 00:03:17 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: btch i migt
04-01-2020 00:03:53 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ohhhhhh, I see
04-01-2020 00:03:58 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: all I get is you got a funding increase, which isn't actually helpful because I'm pretty sure we all have been doing well enough for that
04-01-2020 00:04:37 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: Dev: Well then
04-01-2020 00:05:11 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so yeah I assumed everyone was getting a raise every turn :3
04-01-2020 00:05:26 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: Dev: does chatting cost food or something?
04-01-2020 00:05:28 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: um, every two month
04-01-2020 00:05:44 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: which would be four turns
04-01-2020 00:06:01 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: right right
04-01-2020 00:06:23 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I probably shouldn't say how much I make right now
04-01-2020 00:06:29 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: you might eat the rich
04-01-2020 00:08:27 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well lemme ask you ER
04-01-2020 00:08:55 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: how much would I have to pay you to research something for me?
04-01-2020 00:08:56 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I can't until I have either multiple strike forces or a kaijuless turn
04-01-2020 00:09:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: now you see the problem with me selling you kaiju processing for cash, then
04-01-2020 00:09:48 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Depends what it is and how long it will take.
04-01-2020 00:10:05 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: dev says you don't need to respond to every single kaiju
04-01-2020 00:10:17 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I say cowardice is for cowards
04-01-2020 00:10:25 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah but who listens to dev
04-01-2020 00:10:30 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: Dev: WAIT, can you clone the bishop guy?
04-01-2020 00:10:58 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: aw
04-01-2020 00:11:07 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hahaha
04-01-2020 00:11:21 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: this is the guy who spent most of ER stubburnly sitting in a jail cell, are we really going to take his strategy advice?~
04-01-2020 00:11:44 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: no, though he seems to be handling jackals and mutant rabbits pretty well so far
04-01-2020 00:11:59 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ...did he just hit on you?
04-01-2020 00:12:35 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ah
04-01-2020 00:13:08 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: OH, the cloning is for ITEMS, haha
04-01-2020 00:13:11 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that's awkward
04-01-2020 00:13:16 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: here I was gonna clone and eat a villager
04-01-2020 00:13:18 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Can you give me a small lab project, Irony?
04-01-2020 00:13:27 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I could do that for parts.
04-01-2020 00:13:27 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well the thing about that
04-01-2020 00:13:55 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: is that it costs one turn of lab research (on the part of the recipient) to receive blueprints
04-01-2020 00:14:10 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so doing a 1-turn project for me doesn't do anything
04-01-2020 00:14:16 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: doing a 2-turn project saves me one turn
04-01-2020 00:14:21 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: a 3-turn project saves me 2 turns
04-01-2020 00:14:22 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yeah, I could do multiple turns really
04-01-2020 00:14:22 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: and so on
04-01-2020 00:14:50 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I have two scientists, I want to have more muscle and guts for next turn, but I only have one kaiju lab
04-01-2020 00:14:59 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I see I see
04-01-2020 00:15:23 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I don't deeply care about what my small is occupied with so long as I can get to the fucking catgirls already
04-01-2020 00:15:28 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: haha
04-01-2020 00:15:39 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: which is the med lab, hense you can have my small :V
04-01-2020 00:16:55 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: Dev: what does that do? :x
04-01-2020 00:17:12 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: are you permanently an orc general or do you change back?
04-01-2020 00:18:14 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: okay so I should probably do more testing but
04-01-2020 00:18:27 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: Dev: wait what
04-01-2020 00:18:56 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ah
04-01-2020 00:19:01 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that kind of roguelike
04-01-2020 00:19:57 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well that was interesting
04-01-2020 00:20:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: Yeah.
04-01-2020 00:20:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: I didn't even get to the dwarven minefield!
04-01-2020 00:20:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: or the enner beast.
04-01-2020 00:22:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: fuck the enner beast.
04-01-2020 00:22:45 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: second version of this turn: drop all research, build every security building, tell the council that I have a nice place to store their beastie. :V
04-01-2020 00:22:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: or the big room.
04-01-2020 00:22:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: fuck the big room.
04-01-2020 00:23:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: and fuck the orc marshal.
04-01-2020 00:23:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: and fuck the valpurium golem.
04-01-2020 00:23:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: and fuck the skeleton king.
04-01-2020 00:23:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: ..It's just a rough game.
04-01-2020 00:26:20 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: no really though, how do you have money saved
04-01-2020 00:26:39 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I can think of ways to burn through all the money I have right now
04-01-2020 00:29:05 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: everything I want needs to be researched D:
04-01-2020 00:29:28 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I should really get a large hangar and some tanks though
04-01-2020 00:29:41 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: everything that I *have* keeps getting broken and needs to be fixed or replaced ;P
04-01-2020 00:29:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: oh absolutely
04-01-2020 00:29:55 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I've been losing a 250 cost tank every fight
04-01-2020 00:30:03 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: but just the one because I can't store two :p
04-01-2020 00:30:46 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: give small project?
04-01-2020 00:31:16 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: my drones were like 8 turns, so I don't think you'll have trouble picking something that takes long enough to be worth.
04-01-2020 00:35:44 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: nice
04-01-2020 00:36:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: why don't you have a large hangar, IO?
04-01-2020 00:39:52 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I keep meaning to research and then build an even largerer hangar, so I keep putting off a normal available-now one
04-01-2020 00:40:11 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: son, ya gotta spend
04-01-2020 00:40:31 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I know I know
04-01-2020 00:41:37 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: Dev: Can buildings be used the same turn they're built, like purchasing units and placing them in a building constructed at the same time?
04-01-2020 00:42:29 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that was phrased awkwardly, can units purchased on Turn X be stored in a building constructed on Turn X?
04-01-2020 00:43:29 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ER I assume that spoiler contains plotting my destruction?
04-01-2020 00:44:24 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: It will unless you give me something to research, which you keep saying is what you want~
04-01-2020 00:44:39 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: yeah I'm trying to figure out the logistics of that
04-01-2020 00:44:45 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: do you have a high energy physics lab?
04-01-2020 00:45:02 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: No, but if you want to give me 500...
04-01-2020 00:45:07 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ;P
04-01-2020 00:45:09 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: not off the table :p
04-01-2020 00:45:18 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well, "give" is probably off the table
04-01-2020 00:45:25 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: but like I said money is of dubious use to me at present\
04-01-2020 00:45:36 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I should probably buy a bunch of stuff so that's no longer the case
04-01-2020 00:45:48 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: but you need it to construct hangers for a legion of tanks
04-01-2020 00:46:19 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I do
04-01-2020 00:46:26 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: (or my fabulous BOTE)
04-01-2020 00:50:55 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: bote is slow
04-01-2020 00:51:27 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: so cly you should help me construct a network of sensors so that we can find kaiju quickly enough for it to be helpful~
04-01-2020 00:55:12 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: it's an option... what was it, 200 cost 4-turns?
04-01-2020 00:55:24 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: and we don't know exactly what it does because Dev has to figure that out
04-01-2020 00:57:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: that I have it pretty clear.
04-01-2020 00:58:17 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: hmm, no I think you should buy me a HEL instead ;P
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04-01-2020 02:08:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Writer's block apparently makes me do statistical analysis of random things.  ._.
04-01-2020 02:08:41 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: apparently
04-01-2020 02:13:19 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: makes sense to me
04-01-2020 02:13:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Oh hai Irony
04-01-2020 02:13:45 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hey Dev can you tell us how long research usually takes?
04-01-2020 02:13:46 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hey syv
04-01-2020 02:14:06 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I'm trying to figure out how to offload research duties and it's highly dependent on length of research involved
04-01-2020 02:14:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Haven't you done research?  It usually takes one turn, unless it's something major.
04-01-2020 02:14:29 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well that's the thing
04-01-2020 02:14:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It varies a lot on what you're researching.
04-01-2020 02:14:43 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: presumably we're going to want to research big things?
04-01-2020 02:15:02 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: if nothing else
04-01-2020 02:15:08 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: chain-research should be a thing
04-01-2020 02:15:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Big things don't seem optimal, little things have a bunch of advantages.
04-01-2020 02:15:29 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: where you keep upgrading a design with multiple turns' worth of effort, but it's still a single blueprint
04-01-2020 02:15:35 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hrm, go on
04-01-2020 02:15:37 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: actually
04-01-2020 02:15:40 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: this is perfect
04-01-2020 02:15:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Unless they're flying things, but even then, if we can develop small flying things, there's a nice advantage there.
04-01-2020 02:15:54 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: another nerd obsessed with statistical analysis and nothing better to do
04-01-2020 02:16:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: >Nothing better to do
04-01-2020 02:16:12 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: small flying things was 8 turns, syv
04-01-2020 02:16:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I take offense to that, despite its accuracy.
04-01-2020 02:16:22 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: you were talking about writer's block and statistical analysis!
04-01-2020 02:16:38 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so yes what are the advantages of small things
04-01-2020 02:16:55 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: and ER what's this about 8 turn small flying things?
04-01-2020 02:17:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: No storage space, don't need larger workshops, don't need larger labs to research, better resistance to single target attacks.
04-01-2020 02:17:30 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I feel like I've explained everything about laser PD drones several time now but okay~
04-01-2020 02:17:45 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I don't recall anything about them but that they exist
04-01-2020 02:17:52 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I never knew you got a pricecheck on them or something
04-01-2020 02:17:53 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: small. flying. unmanned. armed with laser, which can shoot down missiles and such
04-01-2020 02:17:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Disadvantages are possibly lower efficiency in terms of durability and damage to cost, but there's no data, and so far we've seen things that are smaller are cheaper without being too much weaker.
04-01-2020 02:18:12 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hm
04-01-2020 02:18:34 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that's sort of the opposite of what I'd expect
04-01-2020 02:19:17 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so... in theory, the optimal strategy is hordes of laser drones...?
04-01-2020 02:19:49 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yes, which is why I was making them~
04-01-2020 02:20:06 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so why catgirls now? :p
04-01-2020 02:20:14 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: unless.. girls the size of cats?!
04-01-2020 02:20:30 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well wait a minute
04-01-2020 02:20:46 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: because I want a cool megaunit, dammit.
04-01-2020 02:20:53 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: humans are way smaller than small, but that means units of them are a Medium-sized blob
04-01-2020 02:21:07 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: laser drones might suffer a similar problem, where they just don't do anything solo
04-01-2020 02:21:17 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: small size is ideal, but I also feel that we should consider getting on long research time things
04-01-2020 02:21:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: An artillery piece costs 50, and is only a little worse than a 250 cost modern tank cannon.  Half storage space, so the tank might win if you're basing things purely off transport cost, but it's very likely that transport cost will only become more minor a cost as time goes on.  Five arty pieces can absorb five direct fire attacks, which a tank is not guaranteed to do, and so far I don't believe we've seen any AoEs that can take out two arty pie
04-01-2020 02:21:52 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: if Dev were here I'd pester him about whether miniaturization is a valid form of research/improvement
04-01-2020 02:21:52 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: laser technical is small, and is enough to do... something
04-01-2020 02:22:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Now, things might change drastically with research.  But I don't have any data on that.
04-01-2020 02:22:13 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hm hm
04-01-2020 02:22:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: There is also the argument in favor of armor cracking.  Stronger attacks have better chance of dealing scratch damage to tough kaiju, and if any damage is dealt, later attacks have better chances of dealing damage.
04-01-2020 02:23:16 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well, that's likely gonna be my theme then
04-01-2020 02:23:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: But frankly I think that's more a reason to make single shot megamissile launchers, rather than tanks.
04-01-2020 02:23:35 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: already considering that alpha strike fuckyou torpedo on my beautiful and precious BOTE
04-01-2020 02:23:35 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: go aggro
04-01-2020 02:24:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yeah, I still suggest making it singleshot, and making it really good at skeddaddling after you fire it.
04-01-2020 02:24:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: But you're gonna have a real hard time convincing other people to research that for you, and you'll need to research a huge lab, then build a huge lab, just to start.
04-01-2020 02:25:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Another reason little things have an advantage: we can start work on them *now*, rather than in four months.
04-01-2020 02:26:01 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: this is true
04-01-2020 02:26:45 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: on the other hand, mad scientist labs only cost 100 per size tier
04-01-2020 02:27:02 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so I could maybe get somebody boosting my bote while I build the facilities to actually do stuff with it
04-01-2020 02:27:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yeah, funding mad scientists to buff your sub is a pretty solid idea, especially if you wouldn't plan to copy it anyway.
04-01-2020 02:27:37 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I have the suspicion I can't actually get it delivered to a mad scientist directly though, so I might need to research and then build a hueg hangar before I can do that
04-01-2020 02:27:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Nah, I bet MSs can just get it.
04-01-2020 02:28:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: They can just get any units to the field by magic or science or whatever, so why not get stuff into their base?
04-01-2020 02:28:17 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Hmm.
04-01-2020 02:28:19 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: fair enough
04-01-2020 02:28:46 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: only trouble is it says larger than Large labs need to be researched first... not sure if that applies to mad scientists or is a copy+paste artifact
04-01-2020 02:29:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: There's a thought; sell your boat to an MS, and just have them deploy it, possibly with a stable agreement that they dedicate every other turn to researching stuff for you in exchange for use of the boat.
04-01-2020 02:29:35 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: do MS care about battling the kaiju menace, though?
04-01-2020 02:29:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I'm not sure they get paid for it like we do
04-01-2020 02:29:51 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Since they can just get any units, even practically immobile units, into the field without needing transport, obviously they should be able to transfer a boat that's only slow speed.
04-01-2020 02:29:59 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hah
04-01-2020 02:30:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Hell if I know!  Be good to test, IMO.
04-01-2020 02:30:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: But, that'd let you buff the boat into being powerful, without needing to waste research time on giving it mobility.
04-01-2020 02:30:36 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: that would probably work
04-01-2020 02:30:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: And it'd finally let me find out if MSs make larger things stronger than they make small things.
04-01-2020 02:31:20 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Even without seeing the stats, I've seen some small MS projects, and if there's any difference, a huge with a couple turns should have a MASSIVE leg up.
04-01-2020 02:32:56 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I fucking hate stadiums.
04-01-2020 02:33:06 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: u wot?
04-01-2020 02:33:27 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: https://i.imgur.com/Et2fKht.png
04-01-2020 02:33:43 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: anyway nerd, here's my current estimates for the efficiency of normal bit processing vs doing research for me
04-01-2020 02:33:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I decided this labyrinth should take place in a stadium.  And that I wanted a PC to be present to see the transition.  Had a cool scene in my head.
04-01-2020 02:33:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: But, now that I've committed, it is way too hard to write.
04-01-2020 02:34:05 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: what's hard about it?
04-01-2020 02:34:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: GOOD QUESTION.
04-01-2020 02:35:28 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: anyway my assumptions are that I produce 5 bits/processing action whereas normals produce 3; the latter seems well established, the former is based on a single data point
04-01-2020 02:35:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Mostly the fact that I don't really know much about stadiums, and what I do know contradicts what I already want for the scene.  I am a raging perfectionist, so this is troublesome.
04-01-2020 02:35:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Cool, have all my bits.  -.-
04-01-2020 02:36:05 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: giv bits
04-01-2020 02:36:06 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: haha, well... looking like you'd need to commit to a lengthy research procedure and a giant pile of bits to make it worth doing
04-01-2020 02:36:24 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: it's unlikely I'll be able to cover every org's processing needs
04-01-2020 02:36:34 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so somebody's gonna have to do it themselves
04-01-2020 02:36:42 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: which brings me to the thing I wanted to ask you about, nerd:
04-01-2020 02:36:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: how do I price/arrange this?
04-01-2020 02:37:03 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I have a service, I want to exchange it for another service... things get a bit fuzzy from there
04-01-2020 02:37:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Hell if I know, do I sound like a marketer?
04-01-2020 02:37:27 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: you sound like a mathematically sound individual of great insight
04-01-2020 02:37:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: A straightforward exchange would be four bits for one research, preferably in a larger lab.
04-01-2020 02:37:58 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: yeah... but that's a net loss unless I can chain them together
04-01-2020 02:38:10 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I could eat the investment myself and just accumulate research tokens with people
04-01-2020 02:38:23 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: or I could bring them onboard with plans scaling by contract length
04-01-2020 02:38:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: This gives a profit for the person you're trading to (they functionally lose one scientist, possibly some larger lab time, in exchange for more bits than they'd get) and leaves you with extra bits to sell to people who will inevitably need more than they have.
04-01-2020 02:38:42 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: oh, that
04-01-2020 02:39:04 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well yes, as a straight trade it works, but then I have no method of conducting research other than turning around and doing the bit-trade thing in reverse
04-01-2020 02:39:20 < * syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp shrugs
04-01-2020 02:39:39 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hm hm
04-01-2020 02:39:46 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I'm still not interested in building a bit butcher building, so yeah, I don't really see how it'd turn a big profit.
04-01-2020 02:40:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Though, to be fair, we don't really have a good understanding of bit value.
04-01-2020 02:40:18 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that too
04-01-2020 02:40:29 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ER has a desperate and irrational hunger, at least
04-01-2020 02:40:50 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: actually I take that back somewhat; we know bit value is tied to research value, because you need to use the same resource to get either
04-01-2020 02:40:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I don't think anyone's made any units which require bits, so we have no idea how much they buff stats.  If it's major, you might actually be able to make a huge profit on trading four bits for research time.
04-01-2020 02:41:06 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that's true
04-01-2020 02:42:03 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: oh here's a thing
04-01-2020 02:42:25 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: do you know the value of stat scaling? eg is the difference between +2 and +3 the same as between +4 and +5, or no?
04-01-2020 02:42:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It's exponential, I believe.
04-01-2020 02:43:10 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I know the background lore is exponential, but in terms of combat I assume +1 armor doesn't make the unit "exponentially" tougher than it was
04-01-2020 02:43:27 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: but I could be wrong about that
04-01-2020 02:43:33 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: especially at higher values
04-01-2020 02:43:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Armor is complex and I don't understand it.
04-01-2020 02:43:44 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: damn
04-01-2020 02:43:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I'm pretty sure +1 durability *is* exponential, though.
04-01-2020 02:44:01 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hm, okay
04-01-2020 02:44:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It's just that most anything below +3 is paper to kaiju.
04-01-2020 02:44:16 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hah
04-01-2020 02:44:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: +5, +6, that might be able to take serious hits.
04-01-2020 02:44:42 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well, that brings me to my next idea: in addition to not knowing how kaiju bits work, we don't know how they scale either
04-01-2020 02:44:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: And armor is... better with better durability.  +6 durability +6 armor might be something that can tink kaiju attacks, or come close.
04-01-2020 02:45:08 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: like, is 1 bit +1 to a stat and 10 bits is +10 to a stat? or is the first bit more meaningful, or do they hit certain thresholds, or...?
04-01-2020 02:45:27 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: which would also affect bit value
04-01-2020 02:45:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yup!  I'd love to test it.
04-01-2020 02:45:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Hmm.
04-01-2020 02:45:48 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: but if at least some stats are exponential, anything that improves designs is theoretically exponential
04-01-2020 02:46:03 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so it's looking good for bit value, at least
04-01-2020 02:47:21 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: might as well check, but I'm guessing trying to put a money value on bits is unlikely?
04-01-2020 02:47:39 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: their main bottleneck is research, which is only indirectly cash-gated
04-01-2020 02:47:43 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: neeeerds
04-01-2020 02:47:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I think it was like 10 or 20 per?  Maybe that's for parts.
04-01-2020 02:47:53 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that's for parts, but that's NPC market value
04-01-2020 02:47:56 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I mean to players
04-01-2020 02:48:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: If you can think up some way to buff fighter plane attacks in a meaningful way with bits, I'll give you a turn of small lab time for two of the relevant bits.  ASSUMING it doesn't fuck over later research, like needing to spend more bits for every later turn of research.
04-01-2020 02:48:17 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: parts have casg values listed in the OP
04-01-2020 02:48:26 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: And this might not be immediate, I may have other more urgent priorities.
04-01-2020 02:48:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I mean... I can think of a real obvious way, but I'm not sure I should do it
04-01-2020 02:48:47 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: You can probably get credit prices for bits if players make designs that need them.
04-01-2020 02:49:14 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I got acid glands, so processing those would make real attack-boosting bits
04-01-2020 02:49:31 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: but obviously I have my own plans for acid too
04-01-2020 02:49:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Problem is those being rare, I'd want something that I can reasonably mass-produce.
04-01-2020 02:49:41 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: and Dev said something about reverse engineering the acid to be able to produce it on our own
04-01-2020 02:49:44 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: yeah, that too
04-01-2020 02:49:49 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: acid single shot torpedo
04-01-2020 02:49:51 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: probably better for my dick rocket
04-01-2020 02:49:53 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: yeah
04-01-2020 02:49:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Muscle, skin, flesh, w/e as long as it's decently common.
04-01-2020 02:50:31 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: okay so what would be more appealing to you two nerds:
04-01-2020 02:50:53 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: 1. One research token + kaiju part for 4 bits, to be cashed in later on a research project(s) of my choice
04-01-2020 02:51:13 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: 2. Contract using the following table to determine total value, gaining more value the larger the order
04-01-2020 02:51:16 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: https://i.imgur.com/Et2fKht.png
04-01-2020 02:52:20 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: giv flesh
04-01-2020 02:52:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I'm not sure what you really mean by the latter.  So probably #1, because I intuitively understand it.
04-01-2020 02:52:31 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: yeah fair enough
04-01-2020 02:52:42 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: what's "one research token?"
04-01-2020 02:53:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: "to be cashed in later on a research project(s) of my choice"
04-01-2020 02:53:37 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: by the latter I mean, for instance, you purchase a 4-turn contract, which produces 3 excess bits, so you do research for me for 4 turns, I process bits for you for 3 turns and spend one turn learning the blueprint you give me, and we split the 3 bits somehow
04-01-2020 02:53:47 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I'd be glad to take the second one so long as I got a high value deal
04-01-2020 02:54:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Contracts are no, at this point in the game that's way too long term in planning.
04-01-2020 02:54:11 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah, that seems ideal
04-01-2020 02:54:24 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: not what he said, I want exactly that
04-01-2020 02:54:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It might be reasonable if I had a heavy bit cost that I could predict (units), but otherwise...
04-01-2020 02:54:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so what I'm hearing here is diametrically opposed certainty
04-01-2020 02:55:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Well yeah.  It's me and Egan.
04-01-2020 02:55:06 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I have a heavy bit cost which I can predict in terms of "I'm gonna want a lot."
04-01-2020 02:55:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: We have, like, the exact opposite playstyle most of the time.  :P
04-01-2020 02:55:45 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: "Slow and methodical" vs "FUCK YOU I HAVE CATGIRLS" ?
04-01-2020 02:55:59 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: precisely.
04-01-2020 02:56:04 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yeah, that's pretty much exactly it.
04-01-2020 02:56:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Oh, it occurs to me--you can probably get better deals from MSs.  They have more research turns, and less access to bits.
04-01-2020 02:56:51 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that's probably the real answer
04-01-2020 02:57:43 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: you know what I really need?
04-01-2020 02:57:49 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: inter-org recognized currency... so probably bits
04-01-2020 02:58:12 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: the issue with my current schemes is there's not much granularity
04-01-2020 02:58:51 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: and oh man is this all gonna fall apart if it turns out I produce an average of 4 bits/turn and I just got lucky this time
04-01-2020 02:59:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I doubt that.  Dev seems to favor making the numbers bigger.
04-01-2020 02:59:37 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so far so good
04-01-2020 03:00:09 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: other hope would be it's six bits and I got unlucky, but if normal processing numbers are this stable I expect it's wise to assume what we see is normal
04-01-2020 03:00:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: oh look
04-01-2020 03:00:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: another case of insufficient data in k-com
04-01-2020 03:00:40 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: giv bit
04-01-2020 03:00:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: what a surprise
04-01-2020 03:00:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: thinkin' about it, ER
04-01-2020 03:00:55 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: this is why I don't worry too much about it, syv
04-01-2020 03:00:57 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: but I also have pw hungering for flesh
04-01-2020 03:01:23 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: one problem is we won't know how long a research will take until its started
04-01-2020 03:01:27 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: yeah
04-01-2020 03:01:31 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that's the other big deal
04-01-2020 03:01:43 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: feed PW flesh so that I can steal it from him
04-01-2020 03:01:43 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I suspect we can get around quick research by augmenting it afterwards
04-01-2020 03:01:58 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: not much to be done for slow research beyond expanding the contract, though
04-01-2020 03:02:21 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ooh
04-01-2020 03:02:23 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I just realized
04-01-2020 03:02:28 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: if I wanted to go dire capitalist
04-01-2020 03:02:58 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: nevermind, not the actual problem
04-01-2020 03:06:48 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: you would hoard your money and not spend it on saving the world?
04-01-2020 03:07:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: You, know, that's a pretty strong bargaining chip, 'least with me.  "Accept the deal, it helps teamwork" is a pretty solid argument.
04-01-2020 03:08:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I'm entirely open to helping grease the wheels with other players by offering things, especially if they're cheap.
04-01-2020 03:12:14 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: if only everyone was so noble, I could make a 2-bit profit off every processing, then turn around and buy lab time with piles of bits
04-01-2020 03:13:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It's not noble, I'm just fully aware that without teamwork, all these assholes will split off and do their own dumb shit with no cooperate, and we'll crumble like a house of cards.
04-01-2020 03:14:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Making trades with people makes them more amenable to sharing information and plans, at which point I can tell them their plans are dumb, why they're dumb, and then give them better plans that actually work with their teammates.
04-01-2020 03:14:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: More politely than that, ofc.
04-01-2020 03:15:13 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yeah, reminder that we all happen to be on the same side of a war which will kill everyone if we lose.
04-01-2020 03:15:19 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Don't confuse my narcisstic powergaming with nobility.
04-01-2020 03:21:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Hey ER, update Zeroth
04-01-2020 03:22:48 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: haha, it's time to sleep!
04-01-2020 03:23:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yeah, isn't that when you write?
04-01-2020 03:23:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It's Saturday tomorrow, you can stay up late.
04-01-2020 03:23:32 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: well, it's now, "be awake in 7.5 hours"
04-01-2020 03:23:46 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I work on the weekends, dummy
04-01-2020 03:23:47 -!- MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt has joined #einsteinianroulette
04-01-2020 03:23:53 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Lo
04-01-2020 03:23:53 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: oh hi~
04-01-2020 03:24:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Aww, really?  Damn.
04-01-2020 03:24:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Hello, Mary Jane.
04-01-2020 03:24:22 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Hiya syv
04-01-2020 03:25:31 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I live in backwards land, the only days I can't sleep in are sat-sun
04-01-2020 03:25:43 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: That is backwards
04-01-2020 03:26:17 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Those are literally the only two days I sleep in during the school year
04-01-2020 03:26:18 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I enjoy being contrary~
04-01-2020 03:26:50 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: have I made you listen to this yet? https://youtu.be/mGrcG-7EeVk
04-01-2020 03:27:11 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: You have not
04-01-2020 03:28:00 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I went from listening to BB OST to this, it sounds very plain.
04-01-2020 03:28:02 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Ah, an Ironyowl. A rare bird indeed
04-01-2020 03:28:28 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: indeed!
04-01-2020 03:28:30 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: who dis
04-01-2020 03:28:40 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: that's the midnight jaguar
04-01-2020 03:28:52 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I know of no such beast nor foul
04-01-2020 03:28:59 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I'd be wary of the larger nocturnal predator
04-01-2020 03:29:05 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: probably wise
04-01-2020 03:29:06 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: "This sounds like a song that would play during the end credits of a surprisingly good indie film"
04-01-2020 03:29:15 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: especially since while jaguars can't fly, holy shit they can jump
04-01-2020 03:29:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: That commenter is 100% accurate.
04-01-2020 03:29:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: But yeah this sounds like something to listen to while leaving the theater.
04-01-2020 03:29:54 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: maybe during an otherwise soundless montage of some sort
04-01-2020 03:30:03 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: not sure what kind, though
04-01-2020 03:30:16 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: This is a feel good rebuilding-life kinda thing.
04-01-2020 03:30:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Maybe a montage of the protag going about daily life in a completely normal, brightly lit fashion.
04-01-2020 03:30:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: After recovering from a drug addiction, judging by the one word I can understand.
04-01-2020 03:31:05 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: yeah... or like the groupie clothes-buying part before the movie's incident occurs
04-01-2020 03:31:13 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: pretty sure it's love, syv
04-01-2020 03:31:22 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: and not exactly happy lyrics
04-01-2020 03:31:38 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: I could see it being sorta bittersweet like counting the days till the return of something
04-01-2020 03:31:50 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: yeah
04-01-2020 03:32:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yeaaah the only word I actually understood was "Chemicals", repeated ad nauseam
04-01-2020 03:32:58 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: you're bad at this
04-01-2020 03:33:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Sure, it's a love song, that's the #1 genre for songs in general.  Doesn't mean that's what it's gotta be used for.
04-01-2020 03:33:28 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: that's what the lyrics are about...
04-01-2020 03:33:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It sounds upbeat and calm, tranquil; using it for a mournful scene would be out of place, and it's not active enough for good counterpoint IMO.
04-01-2020 03:33:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Maybe something bittersweet, but it still just has too optimistic a feel to it.
04-01-2020 03:34:06 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: even without the lyrics, it sounded like it had kind of an edge or tint to it
04-01-2020 03:34:21 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: like yeah, it's too fluffy for an unironic murder scene
04-01-2020 03:34:38 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: but it still felt more "happy-ish part before the storm" than "yay happy"
04-01-2020 03:34:48 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well, or after the storm, during the storm
04-01-2020 03:35:01 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: do you people's emotions only bounce between "fine" and "murder"
04-01-2020 03:35:10 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: what's "fine"
04-01-2020 03:35:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I have "depressed" too.
04-01-2020 03:35:24 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Also "angry"
04-01-2020 03:35:46 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: "this is fine"
04-01-2020 03:35:56 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Is sleep deprived an emotion?
04-01-2020 03:36:08 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: no, that would be "confused"
04-01-2020 03:36:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: No, generally that's just sad/angry for me.
04-01-2020 03:36:35 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I'm usually confused, and sleep deprivation makes it way stronger
04-01-2020 03:37:08 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: speaking of, I'm not sure if I actually can write Zeroth right now
04-01-2020 03:37:28 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: that reminds me... the message of the day said something about a test game going on?
04-01-2020 03:37:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yes.  Zeroth.
04-01-2020 03:37:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: ** Topic: FMD development status: PM testgame running!
04-01-2020 03:37:54 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ah, it was an acronym in the message though right?
04-01-2020 03:38:01 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: there it was, "FMD"
04-01-2020 03:38:13 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: FMD is Egan's magical girl game.  Full Metal Dress.
04-01-2020 03:38:19 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: AHAHAHAHA
04-01-2020 03:38:20 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: best name
04-01-2020 03:38:25 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: guaranteed victory
04-01-2020 03:38:41 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Zeroth is a testgame of the gunplay system, to make sure it's runnable.
04-01-2020 03:38:57 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I don't think it is, because I had a hand in making it.
04-01-2020 03:39:01 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: want to join these terrible spooks on their mission to complete a generic mission to test my gun universe?
04-01-2020 03:39:07 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: sure
04-01-2020 03:39:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Invest in persuasion, please.
04-01-2020 03:39:33 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: shotguns are a form of persuasion right?
04-01-2020 03:39:37 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: because inducting you would be easier than actually turning~
04-01-2020 03:39:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: The only person to have positive persuasion is Dev, and he's gonna be a deliberately contrary lone wolf.
04-01-2020 03:39:56 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Shotguns are always a form of persuasion
04-01-2020 03:40:02 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: tbf, loners are often surprisingly charismatic!
04-01-2020 03:40:10 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: That’s how my guy thinks at least.
04-01-2020 03:40:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Shotguns are one of the best statless guns, so... good for someone with charisma.
04-01-2020 03:40:20 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well there we go then
04-01-2020 03:40:45 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: But yeah, we need someone to actually GET guns before any of us have anything better than pistols.
04-01-2020 03:41:03 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Let’s just find a guy with better guns kill him and take those
04-01-2020 03:41:05 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: putting the hobo in murderhobo are we?
04-01-2020 03:41:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: And knowing Dev, he'll do the best to avoid using guns, defeating the purpose of the testgame, so we need someone else with pers.
04-01-2020 03:42:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I am unreasonably angry right now, hrm.
04-01-2020 03:42:29 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: probably that writer's block and vice versa
04-01-2020 03:42:31 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Look, we just use Dev as bait for Sec. then kill sec and take their guns.
04-01-2020 03:42:42 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Good plan.
04-01-2020 03:42:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Also, Sov.  Sovereign is the faction.
04-01-2020 03:43:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: But yeah, they have the best guns for wetwork, so that *is* a good plan.
04-01-2020 03:43:17 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: or we could join sovereign and get issued wetwork guns
04-01-2020 03:43:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Or, well, not the worst.
04-01-2020 03:43:28 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I'm not against it.
04-01-2020 03:44:30 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: They might even do the bait part for us depending on the future computer rolls :P
04-01-2020 03:44:48 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I am not rolling computer again.
04-01-2020 03:45:04 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: bad times?
04-01-2020 03:46:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: My attempt to google for guns resulted in posting on a security forum that I wanted to buy illegal weapons from the military.
04-01-2020 03:47:33 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: well... you did
04-01-2020 03:47:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: No, I'm just dumb and American.
04-01-2020 03:48:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Here, googling where to buy an AR-15 is totally normal and reasonable.
04-01-2020 03:49:16 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: okay, PMs sent
04-01-2020 03:49:33 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Yay!
04-01-2020 03:49:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Nothing we care about, MJ.  -.-
04-01-2020 03:50:10 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Should I quote the munchkin post that mostly just repeats the rules in different words?
04-01-2020 03:50:39 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Aww
04-01-2020 03:50:45 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: And probably.
04-01-2020 03:50:48 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I sent IO a catchup PM with everything so far
04-01-2020 03:50:56 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: including your munchkinry , syv
04-01-2020 03:51:15 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Oh.  Joy.
04-01-2020 03:52:22 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I'm not entirely sure what I'd do if you tried to join Soverign. Maybe reject you because you're clearly not competant enough for them? ;P
04-01-2020 03:53:13 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: D:<
04-01-2020 03:53:53 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Clearly they'd send us on a suicide mission to attack one of the other factions, then use the fact we're former Aciremen to frame Acirema.
04-01-2020 03:54:23 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: ooh, that's good
04-01-2020 03:54:23 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: That would be suitably nefarious
04-01-2020 03:54:33 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: though I doubt it'd need to be an intentional suicide mission
04-01-2020 03:54:39 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: just keep using us til the inevitable happens
04-01-2020 03:59:50 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: anyway, sorry in advance for not updating, IO~
04-01-2020 04:00:09 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Should I add weapon weights to the gundoc, ER?
04-01-2020 04:00:18 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yes please
04-01-2020 04:00:32 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: and maybe scaryness :V
04-01-2020 04:00:35 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: haha, quite alright ER
04-01-2020 04:00:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Sidearm-light-medium-heavy-brick, right?
04-01-2020 04:00:43 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yes
04-01-2020 04:00:47 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: mostly because I'm not in a position to judge on that front :(
04-01-2020 04:00:51 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Brick?
04-01-2020 04:00:55 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Uhh.  "Scariness?"  Like how it looks, or how scary being shot at is?
04-01-2020 04:01:06 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: being shot at
04-01-2020 04:01:17 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I could probably just eyeball that one though
04-01-2020 04:02:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Hrm.  Can you tell me something about how to handle that?  Like, what kinda rolls, how often it should fail/what it means to fail?  Or should I just give general descriptors like "Uhh?" "Ah!"  And "AAAAHHHHH!"?
04-01-2020 04:02:50 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: honestly, don't worry about it
04-01-2020 04:02:58 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I don't feel like thinking about it~
04-01-2020 04:02:59 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: >:(
04-01-2020 04:03:15 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: angry syv
04-01-2020 04:03:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Well... if you don't want to think about it, can I write the rules?
04-01-2020 04:03:52 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I want to think about guns instead of PS.
04-01-2020 04:04:31 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: you can write what you like and I'll aprove of it or not tomorrow, or whenever I can think
04-01-2020 04:11:06 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: I would suggest the uhh Ah and AHHH scale as the method all guns are evaulted by now.
04-01-2020 04:11:35 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: we're not ALL sexually attracted to guns here, MJ
04-01-2020 04:12:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yeah, only some of us are TRUE Americans.
04-01-2020 04:13:04 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: not a big fan of nations, to be honest
04-01-2020 04:20:28 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: So Irony how’ve you been?
04-01-2020 04:21:22 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: creatively unfulfilled D:
04-01-2020 04:21:30 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: speaking of which: "Guns have the following 12 stats, because this is a simple and runnable system:"
04-01-2020 04:21:43 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: of course
04-01-2020 04:22:04 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: no magic for the test? *SWINE*
04-01-2020 04:22:49 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Well, there is the Else.
04-01-2020 04:23:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: That sounds dumb but it's actually literally much less than *my* system would have.
04-01-2020 04:23:23 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Seriously, it was kinda hard for me to hold back.
04-01-2020 04:23:27 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Because Zeroth, in addition to testing mechanics for FMD, is pretty much a prototype version of my eldritch cyberpunk game.
04-01-2020 04:23:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: His system doesn't even have MOA calculations.
04-01-2020 04:23:33 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: How many stats would your system have had syv?
04-01-2020 04:23:54 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: he'd need to develop a system to calculate that
04-01-2020 04:23:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It constantly changes.
04-01-2020 04:24:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I am ashamed that Irony is pretty much exactly right.
04-01-2020 04:24:29 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: more stats wrangling!
04-01-2020 04:24:39 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: also whats an MOA
04-01-2020 04:25:33 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Minute of angle.  It's used to describe firearm accuracy/natural deviation of the bullet from the precise target point.
04-01-2020 04:26:03 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: bah, ain't nobody got time for that~
04-01-2020 04:26:03 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: One minute of angle is one sixtieth of a degree.  There's also seconds, but that's not really relevant to firearms.
04-01-2020 04:26:44 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I can't think of any videogames where that's really a thing seperate from character aim
04-01-2020 04:27:25 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: hmm, I guess games where you ADS and then there's still a cone of fire?
04-01-2020 04:27:54 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Most serious videogames have weapon inaccuracy, though?
04-01-2020 04:28:08 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: In some cases it's perfect, but I'm pretty sure even CoD has it.
04-01-2020 04:28:36 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: phoenix point has a targeting circle, so I guess that's MOA related
04-01-2020 04:28:40 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: And, like, if CoD has a realistic element, you *know* the FPS genre is swamped with that mechanic.
04-01-2020 04:29:27 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: bah, pehonic point just stole that from valkyria chronicles~
04-01-2020 04:31:50 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: 1 MOA is 1 inch at 100 yards, BTW (this is one of those rare places where Imperial is *more* convenient).  A modern firearm that shoots with 5+ MOA is considered pretty crap.  And videogame firefights generally take place at crazy short ranges, well below 100 yards, so... a game with realistic levels of inaccuracy will very much make guns seem like lasers.  Most videogames with inaccuracy have ridiculously inaccurate guns.
04-01-2020 04:32:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Which is news to nobody who's actually fired a shotgun in real life, I guess.
04-01-2020 04:32:56 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: videogames unrealistic D:
04-01-2020 04:35:19 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Counter strike?
04-01-2020 04:35:50 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: As an example of MOA?
04-01-2020 04:36:09 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so what was this you guys were saying about please please please play a negotiator?
04-01-2020 04:36:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I'd like to see you jump forty times in a row while carrying an AWM.
04-01-2020 04:36:31 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: CS is always at very close range, I think the cone of fire is more supposed to represent aim
04-01-2020 04:36:58 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: specially because you know, it changes when you run and jump
04-01-2020 04:37:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: @IO Having +2 persuasion on someone would be helpful.
04-01-2020 04:37:34 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: or +3~
04-01-2020 04:37:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: That still leaves you +2 in another stat, or a bunch of +1s.
04-01-2020 04:38:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I don't really recommend +3, though I suppose if you do go with a shotgun it won't be all that ineffective.
04-01-2020 04:38:25 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah, that could work as intimidation as well
04-01-2020 04:38:44 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Essentialy the issue Irony is that Syvs char is a guy who wants to run away and shoot things my guy wants to charge at people and beat them to death and Dev is Dev and we have no idea what he’s going to actualy end up doing. And beyond murder and healing no has the stars to interact with the general populace.
04-01-2020 04:38:56 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I see
04-01-2020 04:39:11 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: so the team has no cohesion or plan, and is also poorly adapted to conversing with humans
04-01-2020 04:39:16 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Pretty much.
04-01-2020 04:39:41 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: tho Goblin wouldn't be bad, with +1 persuasion and +1 intuition
04-01-2020 04:40:11 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: normal RTD setup, right
04-01-2020 04:40:34 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: For reference, all the shotguns have 6 or less CQB difficulty, with a move pen of 2 of 3 (except for the full auto shotgun).  So, with -1 CQB skill, that's a 91% chance of hitting in melee if you're standing still, and 63% chance if you run up to someone and jam the barrel into their mouth.  At worst.
04-01-2020 04:41:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: At best, running and gunning into CQB range with a shotgun is DC 7, so 84% chance of success with -1 CQB skill.
04-01-2020 04:42:11 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: This comes at the cost of medium range combat being impossible, and shotguns being relatively heavy,  but yeah.  Having crap combat stats does not actually make you useless, as long as you're fine with playing the game like CoD.
04-01-2020 04:42:23 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: hm
04-01-2020 04:43:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Also, if ER follows my suggestions on scariness, firing full auto at enemies without the skill to actually hit them might still be useful~
04-01-2020 04:44:42 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Yay my build won’t be useless :P
04-01-2020 04:46:10 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: also why are none of you magical girls in the magical girl gun test run
04-01-2020 04:46:28 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: because I won't let them
04-01-2020 04:46:30 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Hmm?
04-01-2020 04:46:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Ohh, yeah.  Because this is just for the system.
04-01-2020 04:47:06 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: if you do want to play as a child, I'd give you lower health and nothing to make up for it though! :D
04-01-2020 04:47:18 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: THE PACT IS SEALED
04-01-2020 04:47:46 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: good, found a way to make this spook team even worse
04-01-2020 04:48:26 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: players always find a way
04-01-2020 04:51:48 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ...I'm not quite sure how to justify that, TBH
04-01-2020 04:51:58 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: please do the hard part for me
04-01-2020 04:52:13 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: how to justify what, child soldiers?
04-01-2020 04:52:50 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: well, in this situation in specific
04-01-2020 04:53:29 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: the land of FREEDOM believes men and women of any age should have the opportunity to serve their country
04-01-2020 04:53:44 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: also refuge in audacity
04-01-2020 04:54:13 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: nobody's going to believe a twelve year old with neon pink hair ran a checkpoint, so nobody's going to report that a twelve year old with neon pink hair ran a checkpoint
04-01-2020 04:54:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: She's really forty years old, which makes her old enough to enlist.
04-01-2020 04:54:27 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: She just *looks* like a child.
04-01-2020 04:54:32 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: damn
04-01-2020 04:54:42 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: such impeccible logic
04-01-2020 04:54:59 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: ....how long do people live in this world?
04-01-2020 04:55:15 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: as long as humans do
04-01-2020 04:55:21 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: https://gfl.matsuda.tips/uploads/__sized__/SuperShorty_2.0-thumbnail-512x512.png
04-01-2020 04:56:00 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Heh
04-01-2020 04:56:06 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: eh, maybe elsic cult shenanigans could make you unaging immortal
04-01-2020 04:56:26 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: and also a walking conduit to the other side
04-01-2020 04:57:05 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Nah just chalk it up to weird genetics and lack of nutrition, or something.
04-01-2020 04:58:02 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Hey, the short but healthy theory is a myth technically. ~
04-01-2020 04:58:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: -1 vit
04-01-2020 04:58:31 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Or, huh, -2 vit.
04-01-2020 04:58:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Yeaaah you're gonna need armor.
04-01-2020 04:59:31 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: 6 HP? Seems legit
04-01-2020 04:59:35 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: ...Yes, yes, we need to give the loli quadguard and an LWMMG.  Yesssssa
04-01-2020 05:00:15 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: LWMMG?
04-01-2020 05:00:29 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Lightweight Medium Machina Gun.
04-01-2020 05:00:58 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I'm liking where this is going
04-01-2020 05:01:07 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It's a machine gun chambered in a smaller AMR caliber which is heavier than basically anything else we issue to infantry.
04-01-2020 05:01:10 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Aww, I had thought I had dibs on the big guns from the +3 strength :P
04-01-2020 05:01:25 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: ...It also doesn't exist yet, but meh, it does in the game.
04-01-2020 05:03:36 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L5y3w61F5Zc/maxresdefault.jpg
04-01-2020 05:03:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: https://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/full_body_armor_2.jpg
04-01-2020 05:04:18 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Is it weird that I already know what quad gaurd is?
04-01-2020 05:04:29 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: smoll gun
04-01-2020 05:05:22 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: No, I've brought it up before, and it's not uncommon for people to talk about it when talking about superheavy body armor.
04-01-2020 05:05:49 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: knight armor
04-01-2020 05:08:09 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: oh so can Agility be used to "evade" bullet fire?
04-01-2020 05:08:26 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I notice guns don't seem to take target characteristics into account for accuracy
04-01-2020 05:09:00 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: It might help getting cover.
04-01-2020 05:18:02 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Sent you a PM with autofire/suppression mechanics, ER.
04-01-2020 05:18:18 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I tried to keep it simple, and it doesn't even need more gun stats.
04-01-2020 05:19:07 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: "I tried to keep it simple" implies that you failed :p
04-01-2020 05:19:16 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: true
04-01-2020 05:19:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It is me.
04-01-2020 05:19:57 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: is it as long as the existing gun rules?
04-01-2020 05:19:58 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: I have sent my character
04-01-2020 05:20:03 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: <3
04-01-2020 05:20:21 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: maxed Endurance/Agility to test out a mobility build, but also that +2 Persuasion to talk my way into/out of things
04-01-2020 05:20:55 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: alright, no 6 HP, but that's 6 Resolve
04-01-2020 05:21:37 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Oh, bravery directly modifies resolve?
04-01-2020 05:21:48 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah?
04-01-2020 05:22:43 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: I was assuming everyone gets 10, and it would just roll against scariness.  With this, my writeup gives you penalties multiple times; once at chargen, and once for every roll you make.
04-01-2020 05:24:12 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: ...Do little girls have base 8 in all stats?
04-01-2020 05:24:41 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yes.
04-01-2020 05:28:15 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: best spook squad
04-01-2020 05:28:28 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: budget cuts have not impacted our operational effectiveness
04-01-2020 05:28:30 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: top men
04-01-2020 05:28:34 < IronyOwl!Mibbit@jy39-3-832-883.sd.sd.cox.net: this interview is over
04-01-2020 05:30:54 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Man, we are doomed
04-01-2020 05:31:22 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: sadly the little girl has +0 spirit because you're not allowed to set Spirit for this test.
04-01-2020 05:31:23 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: So are going Alex Rider now?
04-01-2020 05:31:35 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Because it would do nothing and be a dump stat :V
04-01-2020 05:32:29 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: alex rider?
04-01-2020 05:34:19 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: This set of books essentialy about a kid who becomes a child James Bond Minus the sex.
04-01-2020 05:35:09 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I would have inferred that from the child part but thanks for clairifying
04-01-2020 05:35:50 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Honestly pretty good book series
04-01-2020 05:39:14 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: In the description for the Dragon I wrote "first true infantry sniper rifle" rather than "first true designated marksman rifle".  I must have been *exhausted*.
04-01-2020 05:41:08 < ER!ER@94-72-365-21.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: aren't you always?
04-01-2020 05:41:44 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Unusually so, I mean.
04-01-2020 05:42:32 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: It's supposed to be a direct reference to the Dragunov, which practically invented the concept of the DMR.
04-01-2020 06:15:58 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Sent PM with improved armory, adding a weight class to all guns.
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04-01-2020 06:21:25 < MJ!Mutter@2600:1005:b11a:zuox:kgmq:vvuz:qoik:liwt: Night
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04-01-2020 06:22:38 < syv!GreatWyrmG@72.168.otq.hxp: Dropping like flies.
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04-01-2020 09:28:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: 'lo
04-01-2020 09:28:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: sorry for missing you, syv.
04-01-2020 09:35:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: big stuff really can help in K-com.
04-01-2020 09:36:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@bxht-4m5wy7po5jig82r614uylas2g.ipv9.telus.net: buuut, go all small, sure.
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04-01-2020 21:55:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: ...
04-01-2020 21:56:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: that's a hell of an update, Paris.
04-01-2020 21:56:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: enjoying the quest?
04-01-2020 21:57:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Also, the draggy penalty of "I get to eat you" is always a good motivator.  ;-p
04-01-2020 21:58:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Good mental image of draggy bouncing off a forcefield.
04-01-2020 22:06:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Also, I'm normally totally in favor of going after the killer.
04-01-2020 22:06:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: although thinking that it might be a Sith is making me not sure if I should want that option more or less.
04-01-2020 22:06:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Sith Dragon.  ;-p
04-01-2020 22:11:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Also, I'd expect that if he wants to be able to feel things, he'll get whiskers.
04-01-2020 22:14:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: mmm.
04-01-2020 22:14:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: We have to assassinate the leader.
04-01-2020 22:14:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: because that species is like an ostrich thing.
04-01-2020 22:15:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: Draggy can dive-bomb him and drag him off a bridge
04-01-2020 22:26:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@l450-546-43-71.bchsia.telus.net: like an owl with a mouse.