14-03-2019 00:30:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: heya ER.
14-03-2019 00:30:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I'm not sure why there would be one.
14-03-2019 00:31:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: donations getting harder to come by?
14-03-2019 00:38:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: ...
14-03-2019 00:38:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: That countdown in Awful Hospital raises cosmological questions.
14-03-2019 00:41:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Doesn't everyone else have a shaky understanding of time?
14-03-2019 00:42:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Then again, since that thing was supposed to interact and destroy buzzers..
14-03-2019 01:12:21 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: mostly they just want some more financial stability because Zach has had health issues and healthcare in the US is an absolute bastard.
14-03-2019 01:12:44 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I'll be happy if it attracts more players to the game though.
14-03-2019 01:13:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: mmm.
14-03-2019 01:13:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: well, probably inevitable.
14-03-2019 01:13:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: either that or go patreon.
14-03-2019 01:14:13 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ...they HAVE gone patreon
14-03-2019 01:16:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: as I said, probably inevitable.
14-03-2019 01:19:53 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: in the initial 2014 release, "it was inevitable" was what NPCs told you if you mentioned an event that they have no existing opinion about.
14-03-2019 01:22:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: point?
14-03-2019 01:22:46 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I asked you for your opinion and all you've told me is that it was inevitable so I can only assume that you don't really give a shit.
14-03-2019 01:23:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I don't see any point in expressing an opinion about something that was going to happen.
14-03-2019 01:23:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: It's like the sun rising.
14-03-2019 01:24:03 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: better that the sun rises than that it doesn't.
14-03-2019 01:25:19 < * Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp shrugs.
14-03-2019 01:25:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: will old versions be available?
14-03-2019 01:26:04 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah, for sure.
14-03-2019 01:26:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Then I have no opinion on it.
14-03-2019 01:26:53 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah, I bet you don't even care if DF gets updated ever again because you still have your favorite version.
14-03-2019 01:27:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I do generally update.
14-03-2019 01:27:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Often when I start a new game, so every couple of years.
14-03-2019 01:29:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: In general versions add stuff I like and stuff I don't like, so.. meh?
14-03-2019 01:30:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: The downside is that something like dwarf companion or dwarf therapist will become mandatory.
14-03-2019 01:30:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Other than that.. eh.
14-03-2019 01:30:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I wouldn't mind new people.
14-03-2019 01:30:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: It might kill the forum.
14-03-2019 01:31:00 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: why?
14-03-2019 01:31:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Every time I've seen someone talk about it recently it has been 'You NEED insert X QoL add-on' to be able to even possibly consider playing this.
14-03-2019 01:31:54 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah, morons
14-03-2019 01:32:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: so something is going to get bundled very soon.
14-03-2019 01:33:03 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: they might poke the interface a little, but don't think there's any plans to bundle the steam version with any utility programs.
14-03-2019 01:34:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: It might not be optional.
14-03-2019 01:34:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Achievements aren't optional, for instance.  They must be included.
14-03-2019 01:35:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: There's a 10 achievement minimum.
14-03-2019 01:35:21 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: They'll include an option to make your steam installation the same as the free version
14-03-2019 01:36:16 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: "Your purchase includes Dwarf Fortress Classic if you prefer to play without graphics or music or Steam-specific features, in the “classic” beta branch."
14-03-2019 01:36:44 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: steam specific features means achevements, basically.
14-03-2019 01:36:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: for now..
14-03-2019 01:37:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: 'without graphics'  Whoops.
14-03-2019 01:37:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: So mandatory tileset, then.
14-03-2019 01:37:37 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah, you make an unsubstanstiated comment, I provide a direct quote which disproves it, you say "for now"
14-03-2019 01:38:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: disproves what?
14-03-2019 01:38:42 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: whatever
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14-03-2019 01:38:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Dammit.
14-03-2019 01:39:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I said achievements wouldn't be optional.  You posted a quote saying they had to be programmed in.
14-03-2019 01:39:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: but whatever, goblin.
14-03-2019 01:39:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I meant they would have to be included to put the game on steam.
14-03-2019 01:39:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: but nooo, disproved something I didn't mean.
14-03-2019 01:40:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: sigh.
14-03-2019 01:41:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I mean, it's fine.  You said that there would be a branch without that, which is good.  I hope old versions will be available, for long-running fortresses at the least, and I don't think Toady would stand for that not being the case.
14-03-2019 01:42:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: but I don't see why you'd give me grief over me objecting to forcing someone to do something as arbritrary as including achievements.
14-03-2019 01:42:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Why that, of all things, is the sticking point for valve is something I can't understand.
14-03-2019 01:44:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Also, if you don't want to hear it why press me for a detailed opinion on something that's not really a big deal to me?
14-03-2019 01:45:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Oh, I see.  If it's already on steam without a QoL improvement that would be what ER meant.
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14-03-2019 03:17:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: heys
14-03-2019 03:17:41 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: hello
14-03-2019 03:17:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: no syv yet.  I'll need to get his consent for a second deadline.
14-03-2019 03:20:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: PW getting burnt out?
14-03-2019 03:20:16 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: dunno
14-03-2019 03:20:23 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: running too many things imo
14-03-2019 03:21:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Yeah.
14-03-2019 03:21:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Arcane Fuckery looks like a nightmare in particular.
14-03-2019 03:21:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: and Mook..
14-03-2019 03:21:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: well, re-running ER is ambitious.
14-03-2019 03:33:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Also, fools 2 is totally 3.
14-03-2019 03:33:43 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: what? no, there is no 3 in that sequence
14-03-2019 03:34:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Yes.  What we know of as 3 is really fools 2.
14-03-2019 03:34:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: the hospital has the true measure.
14-03-2019 03:39:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: 'fools 2, the answer to the reimann hypothesis.'
14-03-2019 04:37:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Please do not drink Catnip Cocktail.
14-03-2019 04:37:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Well, looks like the synthetic drugs are still popular.
14-03-2019 04:47:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: oop, mook update.
14-03-2019 04:47:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: if I'm not dead and/or on fire, I'll see if I can help you out.
14-03-2019 04:49:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Looks like the traditional brand of competence.
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14-03-2019 05:37:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: hmm. no MJ.
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14-03-2019 05:42:06 < MidJag!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: lo
14-03-2019 05:42:40 < MidJag!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: So DF is getting a steam release?
14-03-2019 05:43:05 < MidJag!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: ...holy shit https://store.steampowered.com/app/975370/Dwarf_Fortress/
14-03-2019 05:43:31 < MidJag!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: ...what the fuck is my main emotion,
14-03-2019 05:48:59 < MidJag!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Dev you around? I need to speculate wildly.
14-03-2019 05:50:28 -!- MidJag is now known as MJ
14-03-2019 05:53:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: heya MJ.
14-03-2019 05:53:56 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: hiya dev
14-03-2019 05:53:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Yeah I'm around.
14-03-2019 05:54:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Don't worry, it'll be terrible.
14-03-2019 05:54:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I just wish you could really go indy.
14-03-2019 05:54:26 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Yeah this is very strange.
14-03-2019 05:56:29 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Haveing like a bundled tileset is weird enough much less being on steam
14-03-2019 05:56:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Heh.
14-03-2019 05:56:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Well, that's unsuprising, really.
14-03-2019 05:56:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: have to have a tileset.
14-03-2019 05:57:08 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: yeah, I think most people would run away screaming without a tileset
14-03-2019 05:57:34 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: unless it's like cogmind? Is that the robot ASCII thing?
14-03-2019 05:57:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Cogmind has tileset capabilities.
14-03-2019 05:57:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: and isn't on steam, IIRC.
14-03-2019 05:58:21 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: I coulda sworn it was.
14-03-2019 05:58:41 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Yup it is. https://store.steampowered.com/app/722730/Cogmind/
14-03-2019 05:58:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Oh, ok.
14-03-2019 05:59:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: guess I bought the version that didn't have it.
14-03-2019 05:59:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: although I think I bought it before official release, so..
14-03-2019 05:59:23 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Cogmind has really impressive ASCII I have to admit
14-03-2019 06:01:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: eh.
14-03-2019 06:02:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: It's all the same to me.
14-03-2019 06:02:51 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: oh cool, mayday and meph are apperentlly doing the tileset.
14-03-2019 06:03:36 < * Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp shudders.
14-03-2019 06:03:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Cogmind tilesets are all the same to me.
14-03-2019 06:03:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: DF tilesets, I can't see ####
14-03-2019 06:04:42 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: I'm sorta surprised all the letters are easier to make out.
14-03-2019 06:05:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Hmm?  That's not the problem.
14-03-2019 06:05:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: The problem is the tilesets have little pictures that I gotta make out.
14-03-2019 06:05:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: the ascii uses more of the available room, so to speak.
14-03-2019 06:05:37 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Hmm, yeah I guess that makes sense.
14-03-2019 06:07:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Plus I do some of the more confusing things in similar layouts from fort to fort, so I know what the areas around a certain kind of workshop look like, for instance.
14-03-2019 06:08:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Heh, I wonder if that was intentional.  Rocket Ronnie saved his 1000th century break for a tournament winning frame.
14-03-2019 06:08:47 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Nice
14-03-2019 06:09:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: syv is late for his PS update, so things are gonna get feathery.
14-03-2019 06:10:15 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: heh
14-03-2019 06:10:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Ayup.
14-03-2019 06:10:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Gotta talk to him about the next possible forfeit date.
14-03-2019 06:10:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: a mini play-ben as he turns into a tiny purple catgirl?
14-03-2019 06:11:59 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: heh.
14-03-2019 06:12:06 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Not a bad idea
14-03-2019 06:12:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Yup.  Now how tiny, how purple, and how catgirl?
14-03-2019 06:13:50 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Hmm, florescent purple, tiny IDK, and cat girl a bit more than Rakiit.
14-03-2019 06:14:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: oh, he shot it left-handed!
14-03-2019 06:14:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: How much is rakiit?
14-03-2019 06:14:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: and what's IDK?
14-03-2019 06:14:44 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: i don't know
14-03-2019 06:14:55 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Acryonm for it.
14-03-2019 06:15:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: oh, ok.
14-03-2019 06:18:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: How much is rakiit?
14-03-2019 06:19:06 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: oh Rakiit is Ears fangs and a tail.
14-03-2019 06:19:12 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: And claws
14-03-2019 06:19:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: mmm.
14-03-2019 06:19:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: so like that, but + fur.
14-03-2019 06:22:04 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: huh, I did not realize how many features Rakiit had then.
14-03-2019 06:22:11 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Maybe just Rakiit levels then
14-03-2019 06:22:35 < * Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp nods.
14-03-2019 06:22:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Gotta get a vote from ER.
14-03-2019 06:22:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: or anyone else who wants to contribute, really.
14-03-2019 06:22:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: maaybe poke PW if he's on discord or something.
14-03-2019 06:23:07 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: I would be curious abuot Dubs response
14-03-2019 06:24:34 < * Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp shrugs.
14-03-2019 06:24:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I won't be doing it without syvs permission in any case.
14-03-2019 06:24:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: these deadlines are subject to his approval.
14-03-2019 06:25:29 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Makes sense
14-03-2019 06:28:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: any RwR?
14-03-2019 06:29:23 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Nah, gotta go to bed early,
14-03-2019 06:29:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: kk.
14-03-2019 06:38:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: anything going on?
14-03-2019 06:39:17 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: I'm shadowing a cardiologist tommorow, that's about it, been working on a paper this week.
14-03-2019 06:39:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: mmm
14-03-2019 06:40:31 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: shadowing is where you just follow a doc around as they make rounds. You don't say or do anything so it's like your their shadow. Hence the name.
14-03-2019 06:42:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: mmm
14-03-2019 06:43:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: okay.
14-03-2019 06:44:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: flourescent purple skin and eyes, but no fur.  ;-p
14-03-2019 06:44:19 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: heh
14-03-2019 06:44:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Does rakiit have whiskers?
14-03-2019 06:44:35 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: Nope.
14-03-2019 06:44:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: fangs imply at least some muzzle.
14-03-2019 06:45:20 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: ..whoops, in the stats I have whiskers
14-03-2019 06:45:28 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: so yes, Rakiit does have whiskers
14-03-2019 06:45:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: ok.
14-03-2019 06:48:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: do ask Dubs if you see him, though.
14-03-2019 06:49:06 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: will do
14-03-2019 07:12:29 < MJ!midjag@97.85.sw.ivk: night
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14-03-2019 14:02:51 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: Dev, legally what's being sold is the tileset and some music/sounds, along with Steam integration, for the Steam release only.
14-03-2019 14:03:23 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: The game is still completely free otherwise, and the tileset and music are both pretty much inherently inferior to what already exists anyway.
14-03-2019 14:03:55 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: It's a blatant cashgrab is what I'm saying, except I'm not at all unhappy about it because I like Tarn getting cash.
14-03-2019 14:04:42 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: But yeah, if you completely ignore the Steam version, the only things that will change are a possible playerbase increase, and some improved modding support/UI stuff in DF--which is being released in the free version as well.
14-03-2019 14:06:19 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: It's not even changing the update schedule in any real way; When Tarn considers a version stable, the Steam version will get updated, and otherwise everything will be as it has been.  It's been made quite clesr that he's having little to do with the workings of Steam itself, beyond what's necessary.  His publisher--Kitfox games, who you should be familiar with if you follow the devblog, which you don't seem to--is pretty much handling Steam.
14-03-2019 14:06:59 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: Also, it seems that Kitfox games technically owns the special tileset and music, but then those don't really matter in any way beyond being selling points for the Steam version.
14-03-2019 14:07:25 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: They've been very clear they don't own anything of DF itself, and have no access or rights to the source or anything.  It's still wholly Tarn's.
14-03-2019 14:08:25 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: In effect, the Steam release comes off to me a lot like a bunch of Tarn's friends polishing up his gaje with very minor 3rd party stuff, with minimal support from him, so that it can be sold and get him more money.  It's like an addon to the already existing business model, and for you, changes nothing.
14-03-2019 14:08:48 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: So please stop being a negativistic asshole grognard about it.
14-03-2019 14:08:54 < syv!syvarris@72.168.qxy.lw: Thanks.
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14-03-2019 14:47:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Well, that's good news.
14-03-2019 14:59:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Anyway, I think a stream realease is a good and necessary thing.
14-03-2019 15:00:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Also, I love DF.  I also want people to love it for some of the same reasons.
14-03-2019 15:01:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: Which is why I criticize necessary improvements such as an integrated tileset and very much needed quality of life improvements.
14-03-2019 15:01:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: They're good things, necessary things, and they should be done and included in any release.
14-03-2019 15:04:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: I also like works of flawed dedication and madness, particularlly when made by talented people like Tarn.
14-03-2019 15:05:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: So I'm going to lament it when it moves away from those roots, even when making great, badly-needed improvements such as the above and a steam release.
14-03-2019 15:06:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: It's a good thing, don't forget that, which I'm willing to say and agree with.
14-03-2019 15:06:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@2001:569:facb:immk:pysj:hwhp:xlst:swvp: But it's also a good thing that I can remember, and when people can have different experiences with the same thing.
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