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12-01-2019 02:40:56 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ER, PM.
12-01-2019 02:40:57 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I notice that I have a PM and that you're here now at the same time
12-01-2019 02:41:59 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: huh, what a coincidence.
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12-01-2019 02:49:30 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: nic cage can dodge good is what I'm getting out of this
12-01-2019 02:53:11 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: The idea of that sequence is that each of the bodies cringing away is a timeline where he's shot, and which he's not using.
12-01-2019 02:53:27 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yeah.
12-01-2019 02:53:45 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Superhot level reaction speed, but with an added rewind feature.
12-01-2019 02:54:19 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Also, the exploring-by-splitting ability, which is awesomely clever.
12-01-2019 02:54:28 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: This is a stupid idea but I'll cheat and live in the universe where it worked.
12-01-2019 02:56:00 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Yup.  Prolly a bit too close to Fork to work in Refine, sadly.
12-01-2019 02:56:39 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: The powers that I described are the eqivalent of L3 powers, and that's what you get when you become a hunter, though it'll take some time to get every power that's available to you. There are no straight upgrades to those powers.
12-01-2019 02:57:09 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Was just thinking of "leveling up" as giving you alternate versions of those powers with some difference or tradeoff.
12-01-2019 03:01:07 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: That would work, but would be more difficult to balance and create.
12-01-2019 03:01:21 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Spreads the work out over the duration of the game, I suppose.
12-01-2019 03:01:47 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: The heavy cost behind Refuge shifting the room has some slightly weird reasoning. It's not supposed to be able to make powertools and such, but the force of the room as it shifts is pretty much infinite so if you lure something in there you can crush it for a Heavy. >.>
12-01-2019 03:02:19 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Ehhh.
12-01-2019 03:02:27 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Might be better off nixing that and replacing it with power tools :P
12-01-2019 03:02:33 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: That's a very specific, dangerous, and difficult use.
12-01-2019 03:03:02 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: If that's all it can do, I'd make it minor or moderate, and just let anyone who successfully does that get away with the really cheap kill.
12-01-2019 03:03:25 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: They would have lured the target into what amounts to their *own* labyrinth, anyway.
12-01-2019 03:04:39 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Accuse was one of the last things I wrote because I really had no idea how the hell it should work when I decided that it should be a power. :V So I'm glad that you like it.
12-01-2019 03:05:33 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Oh, I just remembered.
12-01-2019 03:06:14 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: The link to Innocence is that it's innocence from magic.  An innocent is less tied to the magical world, and its rules.
12-01-2019 03:06:31 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Ah, sure.
12-01-2019 03:06:49 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Their soul is less corrupt, and therefore lasts longer, but isn't as powerful, and hence their powers.
12-01-2019 03:07:18 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Which is all cosmologically relevant but in game is a little lost.
12-01-2019 03:08:24 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: And well, I *do* like Technopathy so there! :I
12-01-2019 03:10:13 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Okay then.
12-01-2019 03:13:19 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Like, I'm not entirely sure what to add to that really. I see Innocence as being the techie class, because most of their assets are external to themselves.
12-01-2019 03:15:00 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Though it is rather reliant on the sort of stuff you can have. It would be very useful if you had some scavenged technology. Might have to really consider what equipment procurement looks like.
12-01-2019 03:15:36 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Well, the difference as I see it is that all their powers, while synergizing with external things, aren't *reliant* on any particular things being about.
12-01-2019 03:15:49 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Stasis?
12-01-2019 03:16:14 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: It works no matter what is around, be they knives, guns, plants, or literal fireballs.
12-01-2019 03:16:30 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Stasis L3 can grab things which aren't even physical.
12-01-2019 03:16:47 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Technopathy literally does nothing if there's no tech around.
12-01-2019 03:22:41 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: The projection sword will hurt but not cut.
12-01-2019 03:22:56 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Because Pain is a sense that can be spoofed
12-01-2019 03:25:48 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yeah, I'll knock Fork's cost down to Moderate.
12-01-2019 03:26:22 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: No real reason for it to be Heavy
12-01-2019 03:26:26 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: That phrasing reminds me: By senses, you mean the classical five senses, yes?
12-01-2019 03:26:42 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: So a completely real-seeming thing would be cheap * 5?
12-01-2019 03:26:52 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: * 6 for MGs?
12-01-2019 03:27:47 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yeah, if you think you'll need to fool someone's taste and smelling.
12-01-2019 03:28:04 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: taste and smell might be merged, really.
12-01-2019 03:29:48 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: So visual, aural, tactile, aromic, emotional, and painful :P
12-01-2019 03:30:43 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Heh.
12-01-2019 03:30:47 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I wonder how powerful it is to make someone feel disconnected pain for a cheap.
12-01-2019 03:30:57 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: If you're adding pain, prolly need to specify.
12-01-2019 03:31:24 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Can you hide something by making an illusion of an absence?
12-01-2019 03:33:31 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: You can make a visual illusion of whatever's behind the object.
12-01-2019 03:34:10 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: And you can make them feel like they're not touching anything if they reach out to touch it.
12-01-2019 03:34:13 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Hmm.
12-01-2019 03:34:30 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Projection is an effective painkiller, I guess. :V
12-01-2019 03:35:03 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: How about hiding your footsteps?
12-01-2019 03:35:42 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Create the illusion of silence!
12-01-2019 03:37:50 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: So yes, illusion of an absence.
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12-01-2019 03:40:23 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Berserker is just giving you the normal "parry/knock it away" defence roll, except it applies to just about anything that's coming to harm you. A Defiant would see an Innovative's Freeze power as an expanding wave of stilliness. So you just swing your weapon right and knock the wave away from yourself and hey you're not frozen.
12-01-2019 03:40:51 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Though the roll will be hard for nonstandard things like that.
12-01-2019 03:41:44 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: How appropriately anime.
12-01-2019 03:41:58 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: I think the name should be changed, but it's a good passive.
12-01-2019 03:42:03 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Better than mine.  >.>
12-01-2019 03:42:15 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ...yeah I figured out what it did after naming it
12-01-2019 03:42:22 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: oh well
12-01-2019 03:45:09 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: As for primal, maybe I didn't describe it vertial-wolf-like enough.
12-01-2019 03:46:16 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Ah.
12-01-2019 03:46:27 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Yeah, if it's making you into a furry it's less of a debuff.
12-01-2019 03:46:56 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Still ought to say something more about enhanced strength or something.
12-01-2019 03:46:57 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Heh.  Fury gets the furry ability.
12-01-2019 03:47:11 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: fury furry, sure.
12-01-2019 03:48:24 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Curiousity gets the more controlled furry ability, with copypasta :V
12-01-2019 03:52:48 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Guess it's kinda important what kinds of wildlife exist in the area the game takes place.
12-01-2019 03:53:13 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Books!
12-01-2019 03:53:21 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Books?
12-01-2019 03:53:27 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ...Also, wishes.
12-01-2019 03:53:43 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Books to know about exotic animals, wishes to make those exotic animals be present.
12-01-2019 03:53:48 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: "I wish I had a pet tiger."
12-01-2019 03:57:38 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: If I make a game where you play as teenagers in the apocalypse and begin the game by having them gathered into a squad and someone asks "okay, who here is literate?" how many people will answer in the affirmative?
12-01-2019 03:59:05 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Mine will.
12-01-2019 03:59:29 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Also, generally there's pictures of exotic animals in books.
12-01-2019 04:00:26 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Well yeah, I'd think even if you can't read and have never seen a picture of one, lions would be awsome enough that you already know about 'em. :V
12-01-2019 04:01:40 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Also, remember your audience.  Most characters will be literate because it wouldn't occur to their players that they *wouldn't* be, and people want to play awesome cool people, not stupid people.
12-01-2019 04:01:53 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ...Sophia's illiterate, right?
12-01-2019 04:02:14 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Don't see much reason for her to be literate.
12-01-2019 04:03:44 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Well, she's pretty well spoken for a slave/
12-01-2019 04:03:57 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Can't help it.
12-01-2019 04:04:23 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Seriously can't limit myself to simple words. :V
12-01-2019 04:05:49 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Yeah, me either.
12-01-2019 04:05:59 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I might start paying more attention to if when more people are reading than you and me, but it just happens naturally.
12-01-2019 04:06:40 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Nah.  Really, all the characters are well spoken for being younger teenagers.
12-01-2019 04:06:45 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Oh well, I have an excuse for her to curse more than a 15 year old aught to
12-01-2019 04:06:59 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: She curses?
12-01-2019 04:07:20 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Maybe I'm a bit biased due to teen speakers in online games.  :P
12-01-2019 04:07:28 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I assume so because that happens naturally too unless I pay attention to it
12-01-2019 04:08:09 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I specifically tried NOT to curse in the bold text for Mina's actions.
12-01-2019 04:10:16 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: You may want to tone it UP for Sophia, then.
12-01-2019 04:10:29 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: I honestly don't consider you to curse very often.
12-01-2019 04:10:55 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I'll add it to the endless list of things to do as Sophia.
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12-01-2019 04:37:43 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: 151 kills, over 2345 seconds.
12-01-2019 04:37:51 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Which is a hell of a coincidence.
12-01-2019 04:37:58 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: That's enough spiderman for today.
12-01-2019 04:38:40 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: spiderman would be more entertaining if he slashed big dudes
12-01-2019 04:38:51 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Yes.
12-01-2019 04:42:23 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Someone should make a DaS mod where you're stuck in an arena, and as the game goes on, more and more mooks of harder varieties spawn faster and faster, with the goal being to survive as long as possible.
12-01-2019 04:42:47 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: sounds like a nightmare :P
12-01-2019 04:43:02 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: It'd really just end up being "How reliably can you parry enemies?", but still, it'd be awesome.
12-01-2019 04:43:17 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: also make enemies drop random items and as you kill enemies you automatically level up
12-01-2019 04:43:19 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Maybe with another mod to disable critical attacks it'd be perfect.
12-01-2019 04:43:23 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: !
12-01-2019 04:44:34 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Hrm.  Yeah, yeah.  Make it wave defense, you start as a class of your choice, can level and regroup between waves.  Estus flasks equivalent to wave number, but they're locked at +0.  Enemies drop all kinds of items, and a few more integral items are dropped after every wave automatically.
12-01-2019 04:45:03 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Like upgrade materials.  Or maybe the enemies should just drop upgraded weapons, which get better as it goes on, and you have to constantly swap to whatever is dropped?
12-01-2019 04:46:51 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Actually, if you don't need the enemies themselves to be randomized, I know for sure this is possible.
12-01-2019 04:50:28 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Hmm.  Tala used both a sniper rifle and pistol effectively in one turn, with one roll.
12-01-2019 04:50:45 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: wait what
12-01-2019 04:51:22 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164122.msg7913337#msg7913337
12-01-2019 04:51:39 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Also, you dropped the train.
12-01-2019 04:52:02 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: cool
12-01-2019 04:52:50 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: It doesn't matter since the actual Nazi train was captured, I think.
12-01-2019 05:06:12 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: So, do you think this 888th mission will end with any of the prisoners surviving?
12-01-2019 05:06:27 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: nah
12-01-2019 05:06:35 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Yeah, me either.
12-01-2019 05:07:22 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Are you going to do anything fun with your plane?
12-01-2019 05:07:30 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: eh
12-01-2019 05:08:25 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ...I'd appreciate it if you crashed it into the Nazi base I'm about to attack, jumping out moments before to join me in the assault.
12-01-2019 05:08:51 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: You might get enough Glory from the experience to buy a plane with a gun, next mission!
12-01-2019 05:10:13 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I'm just about on my limt of interest in 888
12-01-2019 05:11:25 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: :(
12-01-2019 05:17:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: hmm.
12-01-2019 05:19:21 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: mmh?
12-01-2019 05:19:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: stasis can grab things that aren't physical?
12-01-2019 05:19:35 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: fire, I guess?
12-01-2019 05:20:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: 'Love'
12-01-2019 05:20:08 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: "For an additional minor cost, you can also store or remove something small which you can't actually hold, such as fire, acid, or a speeding bullet."
12-01-2019 05:20:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: "Stasis L3 can grab things which aren't even physical."
12-01-2019 05:20:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Okay, though, the things have to be physical.
12-01-2019 05:20:50 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: It does have to be a thing, but you could also grab light or something.
12-01-2019 05:21:25 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: stasis a flashbang in the moment it's going off
12-01-2019 05:21:43 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Yup.
12-01-2019 05:21:53 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Both a defense and a future attack.
12-01-2019 05:22:41 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: buh, I'm playing a Pure and Innocents are so cool v_v
12-01-2019 05:22:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Too bad, nonphysical stuff would have been fun, if broken.  ;-p
12-01-2019 05:23:15 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: sticks your misery in a jar
12-01-2019 05:23:24 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: I think you'd run into the problem of truly nonphysical things being meaningless to store.
12-01-2019 05:24:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Well, be useful to remove.
12-01-2019 05:24:28 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Probably not.
12-01-2019 05:24:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: or just head up to a big 'ol transformer and steal all the electricity from it.
12-01-2019 05:24:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: I'm sure I could find a use.
12-01-2019 05:26:47 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ...Well, you could do that with Stasis.
12-01-2019 05:27:16 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Unsure if I'd let you take the charge *directly* from the transformer without, like, poking it or something, but the difference is academic.
12-01-2019 05:27:49 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: if I want to stasis a bullet that's fired at me, does that require a roll or just the two minor costs.
12-01-2019 05:28:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Eh, if you open the door and are like two feet from the switching gear, that should be close enough.  After all, you don't have to touch a bullet.
12-01-2019 05:28:23 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Just the cost.  Magic is reliable.
12-01-2019 05:29:03 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Also, it's cheap+minor.
12-01-2019 05:29:35 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yeah, I figured magic was reliable until I failed to scale a building with high mobility in the test game :V
12-01-2019 05:30:00 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Heh.
12-01-2019 05:30:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Well, I'm sure you fell off fast.  ;-p
12-01-2019 05:30:49 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Well, direct effects, especially paid, happen reliably and as expected... but anything beyond that is probably a roll.  Summoning an outburst bomb is reliable, but nothing in the power description says you're good at throwing the bomb.
12-01-2019 05:32:23 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ...Maybe remove the "as expected".  As *I* expected mayhaps.
12-01-2019 05:34:38 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ER, is Sophia left or right handed?
12-01-2019 05:35:41 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Don't think I've had any reason to pick before so... I'll go roll a d10 because it's around 1/10 :V
12-01-2019 05:35:46 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: right handed
12-01-2019 05:38:11 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Did you account for the chance of ambidexterity? :P
12-01-2019 05:38:25 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: naaah
12-01-2019 05:38:36 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: but you asked "left or right"
12-01-2019 05:39:00 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ¿Por que no los dos?
12-01-2019 05:39:24 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I guess I'd pick ambidexterity for maximum powergaming
12-01-2019 05:51:47 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5QZKCoLovw
12-01-2019 05:52:29 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: !
12-01-2019 05:55:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: hmm.
12-01-2019 05:55:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: DS: AoT crossover?
12-01-2019 05:55:50 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Not really.
12-01-2019 05:56:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: aww.
12-01-2019 05:56:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: I'd like to see that.
12-01-2019 05:56:21 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah, can't jump in DS
12-01-2019 05:56:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: immortal unkillable soldiers employed to defend against the same.
12-01-2019 05:56:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: I see buckethead got a cameo.
12-01-2019 05:56:42 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Since when can't you jump?  Sprint, fool!
12-01-2019 05:56:45 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ah, reminds me
12-01-2019 05:57:04 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: who wins on average: magical girl, or DS undead
12-01-2019 05:57:32 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: MG is more powerful but undead isn't resource limited
12-01-2019 05:57:48 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Magical girl, obviously, unless the DaS Undead needs to go hollow to lose.
12-01-2019 05:58:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Hmm, so the MG can score a kill, then?
12-01-2019 05:58:16 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: In which case it could go any direction, since undead vary wildly in how long before they go hollow.
12-01-2019 05:58:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: I thought the undead were unkillable.
12-01-2019 05:58:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: ahh.
12-01-2019 05:58:31 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: They die, but come back to life.
12-01-2019 05:58:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: unpredictable then.
12-01-2019 05:58:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Unless the MG is Homura.
12-01-2019 05:59:07 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Unless they're hollow, in which case they *seem* to die permanently, unless they don't.  Games have a snarl there.
12-01-2019 05:59:41 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Ehh.  Homura might still lose eventually, at least against a dedicated enough Undead.
12-01-2019 05:59:55 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: when you kill still-human undead NPCs you never see them again. :P
12-01-2019 06:00:24 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: The implication is that Homura does die when she's killed, and that she fights so well due to having foreknowledge.  Which the Undead would also have.
12-01-2019 06:00:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: She's also better armed.
12-01-2019 06:00:53 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Up until she isn't.
12-01-2019 06:01:08 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: The undead just needs to disarm her once, then they've got a gun.
12-01-2019 06:01:12 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: M9 < Dragonslayer bow :V
12-01-2019 06:01:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Eh.  I'd wager she could kill firekeepers..
12-01-2019 06:02:15 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Heh.
12-01-2019 06:02:40 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Plenty of bonfires canonically without firekeepers, and the death of firekeepers doesn't prevent the respawn besides.
12-01-2019 06:03:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Hmm.  So can anything make a bonfire go out?
12-01-2019 06:03:25 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: It strongly seems like in canon, undead just lay where they die until they get back up again, and the respawning at bonfires is a gameplay mechanic.
12-01-2019 06:03:38 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah, one of the most annoying things is getting killed in dark anor londo after murdering the firekeeper there, causing you to respawn next to a non-functional bonfire :V
12-01-2019 06:03:49 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ER, anything in III that can do it?
12-01-2019 06:04:08 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: in 3?
12-01-2019 06:04:17 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Yeah.
12-01-2019 06:04:38 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Don't recall any bonfire extinguishing in I or II, but maybe there's something in III, which I haven't touched.
12-01-2019 06:04:42 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: not that I know of.
12-01-2019 06:05:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: mmm.
12-01-2019 06:05:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Could she destroy the terrain around a bonfire?
12-01-2019 06:05:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Just build a wall or make a cliff around it, so that the undead can't get past that barrier?
12-01-2019 06:06:55 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Maybe.  Homura might have trouble building a wall faster than the undead respawns... but maybe.
12-01-2019 06:07:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: ..she can stop time.
12-01-2019 06:07:17 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Seath does put the CU in a cell after death, linking them to a new bonfire as well.
12-01-2019 06:07:33 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Oh yeah.
12-01-2019 06:07:35 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Temporarily, no?  There's a limit to her timestoppage.
12-01-2019 06:07:44 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Just be like seath but not fucking incompetant
12-01-2019 06:08:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Yeah, but she can also move stuff too big for her to carry.
12-01-2019 06:08:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: could build a wall out of shipping crates.
12-01-2019 06:10:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Hell, might be able to trap him inside a welded-shut shipping crate.  Then pick it up with a crane.
12-01-2019 06:12:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: http://loweringthebar.net/2019/01/man-wants-free-whoppers-for-life.html
12-01-2019 06:12:16 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KrRRXgSGlYc
12-01-2019 06:13:59 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Wow, they're even accounting for the fact that actually getting his reward would shorten his lifespan.
12-01-2019 06:13:59 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: is Artorias really that large compared to ornstein?
12-01-2019 06:16:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: I can tell you, his wolf is that small.  ;-p
12-01-2019 06:16:15 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ...Yes.
12-01-2019 06:16:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Probably, yeah.
12-01-2019 06:16:38 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Ornstein may be a bit smaller in that video, but Artorias is huge.
12-01-2019 06:16:52 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: He's like twice the player's height *hunched*.
12-01-2019 06:18:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: "[T]here is nothing funny about being locked in a dank bathroom for an hour"
12-01-2019 06:18:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: That's definately inaccurate.
12-01-2019 06:28:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: I don't think he's actually saying the whoppers will shorten his life.  I think he's saying that the fact that his tendacy to eat whoppers will shorten his life.
12-01-2019 06:38:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Refine?
12-01-2019 06:38:46 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Refine?
12-01-2019 06:43:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Hmm, bad 1 in 888th.
12-01-2019 06:43:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: so is the mission scrapped?
12-01-2019 06:48:29 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Nah.
12-01-2019 06:49:15 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: I think the train was fully stolen, and is functional.  Even if not, Simon can just steal another one.
12-01-2019 06:49:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: That was probably a good play.
12-01-2019 06:49:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Do you have train skill?
12-01-2019 06:49:48 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Nope, but Simon doesn't have tank skill either.
12-01-2019 06:50:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: going to wing it, or take a prisoner?
12-01-2019 06:51:00 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Simon?  Take a prisoner?
12-01-2019 06:51:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: murderboner too big?
12-01-2019 06:51:49 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: they're nazis so it's okay
12-01-2019 06:55:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: "Congrats, you shot a french collaberator"
12-01-2019 06:55:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: ;-p
12-01-2019 07:27:43 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: I think Simon's murdered a non-Nazi innocent at some point, probably, so...
12-01-2019 07:27:59 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: He's definitely commited war crimes if nothing else.
12-01-2019 07:28:24 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: He is young Ben after all.
12-01-2019 07:33:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Yeah.
12-01-2019 07:33:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: dangit.  I liked Coven, it was fun.
12-01-2019 07:51:09 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ER, PM.
12-01-2019 07:51:17 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: neato
12-01-2019 07:51:48 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: FIRST OD THE DEAD
12-01-2019 07:51:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Heh.
12-01-2019 07:52:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: testing refine?
12-01-2019 07:52:08 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K2CNRo-dDic
12-01-2019 07:52:13 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Nah.
12-01-2019 07:52:15 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Re: ...
12-01-2019 07:52:25 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: I just hit quote.
12-01-2019 07:52:41 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yup
12-01-2019 07:52:53 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: I do know what my Refine char will be like, but Egan hasn't sent me character creation rules so no test yet.
12-01-2019 07:53:07 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ha
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12-01-2019 07:54:48 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: I like writing about really really bad things happening to people.  I'm not sure why.
12-01-2019 07:55:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Heh.
12-01-2019 07:55:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: "This video have a very loud audio."
12-01-2019 07:56:10 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Well, to be fair his english is potato.
12-01-2019 07:56:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Yes, indeed.
12-01-2019 07:57:28 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: The Darksign brands the undead.
12-01-2019 07:57:51 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yesssssss, indeeeeeeeeed
12-01-2019 07:58:55 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yes, this is a story in which bad things happen to people.
12-01-2019 08:23:15 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ...
12-01-2019 08:23:41 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yup, tried to come up with what to do from here, and I don't got shit
12-01-2019 08:24:12 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I mean, I know what options I physically have in this situation, but
12-01-2019 08:24:57 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: how does Sophia actually react to this, I don't know at the moment.
12-01-2019 08:26:38 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Think on it.
12-01-2019 08:31:00 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: okay, maybe
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12-01-2019 08:39:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Bye.
12-01-2019 08:43:30 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Welp, it's really pretty simple.
12-01-2019 08:43:39 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: ?
12-01-2019 08:44:18 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Sophia has the highest possible rating in the stat used for willpower, so she can push through and just kill him.
12-01-2019 08:44:55 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Makes sense.
12-01-2019 08:45:03 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: And, uh, perhaps a little bit more relevantly, the lowest possible rating in the stat used for empathy.
12-01-2019 08:45:48 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: That doesn't make this sort of thing *easy* to deal with.
12-01-2019 08:46:42 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: If anything low empathy just adds more confusion.
12-01-2019 08:47:13 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: How so?
12-01-2019 08:50:02 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Being unable to empathise means being unable to understand what's happening. It means that you're uncertain what effect your actions have.
12-01-2019 08:51:20 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: :\
12-01-2019 08:51:51 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Nnnno, not exactly.  It just means she wouldn't understand *him*, and also wouldn't really care about that fact.
12-01-2019 08:52:41 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: It doesn't imply that she doesn't care.
12-01-2019 08:53:15 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Outright lack of empathy does.
12-01-2019 08:53:17 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: It's mostly irrelevant.
12-01-2019 08:54:04 < syv!syvarris@72.168.hks.lnv: Yeah.
12-01-2019 08:57:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: I'll update birdgame sometime this weekend.
12-01-2019 09:00:01 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: The point of my random sophia-ramble post was that she's having trouble understanding what she's "supposed" to be feeling in this situation, and this post is resolving that. With some help from Cherry opening his mouth and reminding her that she hates him.
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12-01-2019 09:03:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Aww.
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12-01-2019 19:41:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Nak's back.
12-01-2019 19:52:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: New Freeman's Mind.
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12-01-2019 20:46:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Heya ER.
12-01-2019 20:46:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: New Freeman's Mind.
12-01-2019 20:49:45 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: link me? :V
12-01-2019 20:54:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ljspPnfXtA
12-01-2019 20:56:40 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: wait, the room's supposed to collapse when the barrels explode?
12-01-2019 20:56:48 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ...I don't remember that
12-01-2019 20:58:37 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: or wait, maybe that solution is something he made up for FM
12-01-2019 20:58:58 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: because you're supposed to turn a valve to raise the water level
12-01-2019 21:21:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: It is a mod.
12-01-2019 21:22:04 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah
12-01-2019 21:50:25 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/domestication
12-01-2019 22:26:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@ocmi-3q6jd0zd9sav5whz84rs7f8hf.ipv7.telus.net: Yup, those are cats, aight.
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