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09-11-2018 01:43:56 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: How's Nested coming along, ER?
09-11-2018 01:44:15 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: still at ~1/6th :P
09-11-2018 01:44:24 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: Aww.
09-11-2018 01:44:38 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: or 1/12th, if you want to be particularly uncharitable.
09-11-2018 01:45:30 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: ...Maybe I shouldn't have suggested you run a suggestion game which would also have three full players...
09-11-2018 01:45:49 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: hehe
09-11-2018 01:47:04 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I don't feel it's likely I'll get anything done tonight, as I'm feeling a little bit of a malaise.
09-11-2018 01:47:20 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: Sick?
09-11-2018 01:48:12 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Maybe some combination of forgetting to take my meds and going to a burger place when I didn't want to eat a burger and being surrounded by children and probably-drunk adult strangers.
09-11-2018 01:48:22 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I don't feel very sick.
09-11-2018 01:48:55 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: mostly a feeling of disgust, really.
09-11-2018 01:49:18 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Did NOT like the atmospehere of that place
09-11-2018 01:49:21 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: Ehhh, I want to say something about work ethic or something, so I get to play Nested sooner, but it'd be pretty hypocritical of me.
09-11-2018 01:49:26 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: covered in televisions, too.
09-11-2018 01:49:39 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: Starting to sound like an eldritch location.
09-11-2018 01:51:29 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I ordered a piece of fish, and it was served on a massive plate because this is an american resturant. The actual fish took up like 1/4th of the plate and the rest was covered in fries.
09-11-2018 01:52:20 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: For presentation purposes presumably. Need it make it look like you're not getting a half-empty plate, even when filling that plate all the way is INSANE
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09-11-2018 01:53:55 < sy!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: Bah.
09-11-2018 01:54:20 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: baaaaaaaaah
09-11-2018 01:54:54 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: well at least I brought home leftovers. really I shouldn't feel too bad about this but that's what makes my anger irrational.
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09-11-2018 01:55:34 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: You were in an unpleasant situation, so you're in an unpleasant mood.  Sounds about as rational as any mood, to me.
09-11-2018 02:03:21 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: Fucking dogs.
09-11-2018 02:03:55 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: what about fucking dogs?
09-11-2018 02:05:06 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: They're fast and hard to not be hit by when using a short weapon.
09-11-2018 02:05:41 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: have you tried not challenging people's dogs to fights to the death?
09-11-2018 02:08:42 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:4c39:qury:tzov:nwtu:thxn:ijoo: If I don'y kill them I'll have no HP left for fighting Kalameet!
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09-11-2018 08:09:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: sigh.
09-11-2018 08:33:45 < * Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net notices that syv posted.
09-11-2018 08:33:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Oh well.
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09-11-2018 08:38:14 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: You want something, Dev?
09-11-2018 08:42:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Been trying to catch ER for a few days.
09-11-2018 08:43:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Need to get money from his Cult character, and offering to let him sacrifice rodents for another favor point.
09-11-2018 08:43:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Can you poke him about that next time you see him?
09-11-2018 08:49:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: anyway, thanks!  Been lonely.  Too much tree-packing, too little socialization.
09-11-2018 08:49:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: doing 22 million this session.
09-11-2018 08:50:01 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Sure, I'll try and remember.
09-11-2018 08:50:13 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I don't have the best record on memory, though.  :P
09-11-2018 08:50:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I gave him a PM too.
09-11-2018 08:50:38 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I assume you mean that your organization is doing 22 million?  Not you alone?
09-11-2018 08:50:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah, the group.
09-11-2018 08:51:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: divided equally among the floor workers, my share is about half a million.
09-11-2018 08:53:47 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: That... doesn't sound significantly more possible.
09-11-2018 08:54:10 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Why are there only forty-four workers for twenty-two million trees?
09-11-2018 08:54:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: ..because we're packing them?
09-11-2018 08:54:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: they go out of their styrofoam blocks, get sorted, stacked, wrapped, and boxed.
09-11-2018 08:54:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Then they'll get planted in the spring.
09-11-2018 08:56:07 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: How large are these trees?  Inches?
09-11-2018 08:58:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: They're seedlings.  Maybe about 10 inches of tree and three-four inches of plug.
09-11-2018 08:58:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: but there is some variation in size.
09-11-2018 08:59:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: We had both extremes today, some tiny spruces and significantly larger firs.
09-11-2018 09:00:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Nah, 10 inches is a bit big.  7-8 inches is more average.
09-11-2018 09:05:13 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: About how long does each take to pack?
09-11-2018 09:06:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Today I wasn't on the line, I was doing other stuff.  Yesterday we had more tiny ones, and I was doing about 20 every 8 seconds.
09-11-2018 09:06:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: ..of course, that's not actually 20 every 8 seconds.
09-11-2018 09:06:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I was doing my bit on 20 trees every 8 seconds.
09-11-2018 09:07:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: So it's hard to be sure, really.
09-11-2018 09:07:17 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Ahh, assembly line packing.
09-11-2018 09:07:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah, not like actually planting them, where you're paid per tree.
09-11-2018 09:07:44 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Are there 44 people total, or 44 people doing your particular step?
09-11-2018 09:09:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: 44 people total.  Generally people shuffle around to cut down on repetitive injuries.
09-11-2018 09:11:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Also, we're not all on the line.  Most of the people are on the line, but there are people emptying the greenhouses, unloading trailers full of empty blocks, moving vehicles around, and the three supervisors.
09-11-2018 09:11:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: There are also five lines.
09-11-2018 09:14:51 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: So five lines, probably doing around 20 trees a second, maybe a little less.
09-11-2018 09:15:05 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: That's kinda impressive, actually.
09-11-2018 09:15:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It's a big year, actually.  22 million is a lot.
09-11-2018 09:16:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: ..also, I'm counting day shift there too.  They run two shifts.
09-11-2018 09:17:36 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Different number of lines by shift?
09-11-2018 09:18:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: They work in the same room.  Although the exact number of lines at any moment varies a bit by how many are working today.  We were full up this shift.  Last week we were short a few people, and about half of day shift had the flu.
09-11-2018 09:19:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It's easiser work than treeplanting, though.
09-11-2018 09:21:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: one box of say, 360 trees, (small ones), might take someone a bit under two hours to plant.
09-11-2018 09:21:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: when I'm boxing, I might fill one of those every minute.
09-11-2018 09:21:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: (usually there's one boxer per two lines.)
09-11-2018 09:22:40 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: So whoever's buying is hiring a LOT more workers.
09-11-2018 09:23:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Generally, yeah.
09-11-2018 09:23:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: There's maybe twelve, fifteen or so facilities like the one I'm in in the province.  Most are a bit smaller, this is one of the bigger ones.
09-11-2018 09:23:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: They'll hire about 4000 planters in a season.
09-11-2018 09:24:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: amd that's a low estimate.
09-11-2018 09:38:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Oh, Sir Elventide updated his Ruby game.
09-11-2018 09:38:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Apparently in this group of 200 people there is not even one interested in gathering information about the enemy.
09-11-2018 09:40:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I definately picked the right target to play wrongly.
09-11-2018 09:41:38 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: ...
09-11-2018 09:41:50 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I have as of yet heard nothing positive about that game.
09-11-2018 09:42:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Some of that is the point of view.
09-11-2018 09:42:09 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Normally the fact that it's not dead yet would be a positive, but in light of the above, it isn't either.
09-11-2018 09:43:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Remember, in this case I'm demonstrating how to play a game wrongly and outperform others.
09-11-2018 09:44:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I'm sure you've heard me make a statement that demonstrates a completely different point of view, or me do something that looks in retrospect as something that should have been obvious, right?
09-11-2018 09:44:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: In this game I do that every turn.
09-11-2018 09:45:18 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Yes.  Because everything about that game is distilled horrible.
09-11-2018 09:45:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: We deeply enjoyed Starcrash.
09-11-2018 09:47:56 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I never saw it, actually.
09-11-2018 09:48:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Damn.
09-11-2018 09:48:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It was tailor made for ER movie night.
09-11-2018 09:48:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: There was an amp user who solved all the problems.
09-11-2018 09:49:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It featured an exploding planet, which was solved by the Galactic Emperor ordering his imperial battleship to halt the flow of time.
09-11-2018 09:49:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I shall never see a movie like it again.  It was a terrible movie.
09-11-2018 09:50:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: but it had everything that could be wanted.
09-11-2018 09:52:46 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Heh.
09-11-2018 09:53:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: The audio was lost.  The only english version was the version dubbed into french and re-dubbed into english.
09-11-2018 09:55:14 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: ...Perfect.
09-11-2018 09:56:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah, from any objective standpoint it was a terrible, terrible movie.
09-11-2018 09:56:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: But for ER movie night, it was perfect.
09-11-2018 09:57:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Rh2pfdxPU
09-11-2018 09:58:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Glorious.
09-11-2018 10:00:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It's like that came right out of Nyar's bag.
09-11-2018 10:00:17 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: *Nyars' box
09-11-2018 10:00:23 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: :P
09-11-2018 10:01:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I figured he had a bag full of the boxes.
09-11-2018 10:03:03 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I always visualized a bunch of boxes sitting on a pallet, one of which was a crate full of smaller marked boxes.
09-11-2018 10:03:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Ahh.  I figured that he had a bag slung over his shoulder and he was selling them like they fell out of a truck.
09-11-2018 10:04:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Bigger ones would be essentially on tailgates.
09-11-2018 10:08:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Maybe pallets are for the medium-sized ones.
09-11-2018 10:08:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: How's your new game?
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09-11-2018 10:25:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: anyway, thanks for coming by.
09-11-2018 10:25:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I've got to think up what to do in that ruby game.
09-11-2018 10:32:25 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: :\
09-11-2018 10:32:41 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Not gonna be able to help you there.
09-11-2018 10:35:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That's okay.  I'm currenty discussing taking advantage of not being able to deal damage by taking weapon modifiers that force me to deal damage.. something that would be crippling for anyone else.
09-11-2018 10:35:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: me to not deal damage.
09-11-2018 10:36:33 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: ...Where does the advantage come in?
09-11-2018 10:36:54 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Being able to not deal damage twice over isn't helpful in and of itself.
09-11-2018 10:37:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Basically, since the weapon doesn't deal damage upon a successful attack, it does something else instead.
09-11-2018 10:43:56 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Which is?
09-11-2018 10:44:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Dunno.  Depends on what we're fighting.
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09-11-2018 10:53:46 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I feel horrible.
09-11-2018 10:53:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: hmm?
09-11-2018 10:53:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: need sleep?
09-11-2018 10:54:22 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Probably.  Haven't sleep on a consistent schedule for... five?  Six days?
09-11-2018 10:54:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I'm sorry man.
09-11-2018 10:54:45 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Don't feel sleepy at all, just that wonderful middle state of malaise where I just... blah.
09-11-2018 10:58:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: ouch.
09-11-2018 10:59:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Fun with politics.
09-11-2018 10:59:13 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Mm?
09-11-2018 10:59:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: "Trump fires racist asshat because racist asshat has morals."
09-11-2018 10:59:40 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Heh.
09-11-2018 10:59:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well, that was yesterday.
09-11-2018 10:59:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: two days ago now.
09-11-2018 11:00:14 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Yeah, think I heard about it.  Some dude whose name was repeated a bunch, but which I still forgot.
09-11-2018 11:00:53 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I get most of the details of Trump's doings from *someone* within a day or so of it happening, if not within hours, but tend to filter most of it out.
09-11-2018 11:02:48 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I was browsing a mall ninja magazine earlier.  They were selling multiple different types of commemorative Trump coins.  Some supposedly gold-plated.  He looked appropriately smug.
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09-11-2018 11:07:23 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: My internet is acting how I feel...
09-11-2018 11:07:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Heh.
09-11-2018 11:20:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: bouncy?
09-11-2018 11:20:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I didn't get that impression.
09-11-2018 11:22:59 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Seems much more bouncy than usual, to me.  Plus I have horrible (virtually zero) download speed.
09-11-2018 11:26:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: ouch.
09-11-2018 11:27:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: well, anything but IRC would be useless than.
09-11-2018 11:27:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: then.
09-11-2018 11:29:20 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Pretty much, yes.  Forums are slow, and periodically nonfunctional.  Not downloading anything, no videos, even comics are irritatingly slow to load.  And this is with *cellular*.  The satellite is basically dead, and has been for awhile.
09-11-2018 11:29:49 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It's not really *that* much of a hindrance, since most of my leisure stuff is offline, but it's still annoying.
09-11-2018 11:37:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Hmm.
09-11-2018 11:37:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well, could use some input now.
09-11-2018 11:38:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Can you define the term "Ingenuity" for me?
09-11-2018 11:39:04 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: "Not genuine"?
09-11-2018 11:39:25 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: "Clever an ingenius"?
09-11-2018 11:40:10 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Google says "the quality of being clever, original, and inventive."
09-11-2018 11:47:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: ok.
09-11-2018 12:12:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It is funny just how badly Elventide wants me to get something, anything, that makes me play conventionally.
09-11-2018 12:12:43 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: That does sound amusing.
09-11-2018 12:13:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: "I'll even give it base damage so you can actually do damage.."
09-11-2018 12:13:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: You gave me a battlefield with several hundred combatants.  Is it so hard to imagine something that deals area debuffs to be far better than to be just another guy with a worse-than-average weapon?
09-11-2018 12:14:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: And if I had a worse-than-average weapon, I'd never find the time to make the thing that does area debuffs.
09-11-2018 12:15:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: My only disappointment is that, sadly, it does look like a weapon is the appropriate solution here.
09-11-2018 12:24:35 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Elventide doesn't sound like the sort of GM that wants his players to do more than sit by and be awarded victory.
09-11-2018 12:28:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yup.
09-11-2018 12:29:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well, it's more you have infinite lives so I can kill some of you off messily, but you'll easily cruise to victory due to the incredible wall of buffs available just by looking.
09-11-2018 12:33:44 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Not only does he not want people to have to strive for victory, he wants it to feel like a meat grinder too?
09-11-2018 12:35:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It's more death being cosmetic.
09-11-2018 12:38:24 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Failure is not an option.
09-11-2018 12:38:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yes, ER style.
09-11-2018 12:39:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Ahh, giving orders to roll resistance against any friendly buffs.
09-11-2018 12:39:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: (Every turn not dead is one turn longer before I can make the item I need.)
09-11-2018 12:41:41 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: We actually managed to fail in ER, though.  Death during a mission meant you couldn't do anything more during a mission.  Occasionally, death was permanent.  Death in ER was low-impact, not cosmetic.
09-11-2018 12:42:03 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Why don't you just shoot yourself in the head?
09-11-2018 12:43:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I don't have a weapon.
09-11-2018 12:43:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Besides, according to RAW, I am incapable of killing myself.
09-11-2018 12:45:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I think in ER it was what, one in six to successfully suicide by shooting yourself in the head?
09-11-2018 12:45:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: one in 36 to suicide by running into gunfire while naked?
09-11-2018 12:46:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Nah, worse than one in six.  one in six for the fatal hit to kill you, and less than perfect odds to not botch firing the weapon.
09-11-2018 12:48:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: The only way I'd be able to kill myself in AVA is via environment.  Jump off a building or something.
09-11-2018 12:49:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: At least there's no follow up roll to see if I actually die.
09-11-2018 12:50:34 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Successful *intentional* suicide was 50/50.  Accidental suicide was at worst 50/50, at best never, depending on skill.  Think you had to have negative skill to accidentally kill yourself, but it still happened a couple times.  Permadeaths even.
09-11-2018 12:51:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: does the 50/50 include the odds of escaping intentional revival?
09-11-2018 12:52:17 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Doing something stupid and dying for it was something like 50/50 on getting hit, then an end roll to see how bad, and a limb roll to see what got destroyed.  Permadeaths needed a 1 (head) on the last, though I think PW sometimes killed people for critfail end rolls?  It's been a looong time, and he's never been terribly consistent;
09-11-2018 12:53:11 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The getting hit part in particular was extremely variable depending on situation.  Some enemies autohit, others got way less than even those chances.
09-11-2018 12:53:41 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: There were also a few enemies which didn't do limb targeting, they just destroyed everything instantly.
09-11-2018 12:54:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah.  And still didn't kill, even on ones.
09-11-2018 12:54:29 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Oh, no, we had a few full body destruction permadeaths.
09-11-2018 12:55:12 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Permadeaths were rare, had an overally rate around 17% IIRC.  Tempdeaths were much less rare, especially among newbies, and temp deaths were NOT cosmetic.
09-11-2018 12:55:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Mine was.
09-11-2018 12:55:46 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Not being allowed to affect anything in any way, even to a cosmetic degree, for fifteen game updates, is far beyond a cosmetic penalty, even if the chsr is revived later.
09-11-2018 12:55:58 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Well, yes, but you're Special.
09-11-2018 12:56:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: fifteen updates?  Pikers.
09-11-2018 12:57:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Nah, there was the mission off for a bit, then they were cosmetic for the longest time, and then the end came shortly after they weren't cosmetic for a period.  At least that's how I remember it.
09-11-2018 12:58:28 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: "Pikers"?
09-11-2018 12:58:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah.
09-11-2018 12:59:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: You've asked me about that term before.
09-11-2018 12:59:34 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Can you tell me of a single case where a character was killed by lethal trauma on a mission, and then continued to take actions which affected the mission?  Xan doesn't count, even if he actually did that, because Xan was unique.
09-11-2018 12:59:44 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I don't recall your answer.
09-11-2018 13:02:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Leng did it twice.  I could have done it once but intentionally sat it out.
09-11-2018 13:02:19 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: When did Leng do it, and how did she do it?
09-11-2018 13:02:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: A o Hep.  Blew herself up with an amp, showed up in a nice new free body later that same mission.
09-11-2018 13:02:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Did it a second time on that same mission at the end.
09-11-2018 13:03:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: PW had fast revives on there because that mission failing might have actually caused issues.
09-11-2018 13:03:34 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Eh, fair enough.  I don't recall this happening, but it's entirely believable.
09-11-2018 13:04:04 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Still, even if deaths were cosmetic during the attack on Heph, they weren't cosmetic for the game as a whole.
09-11-2018 13:04:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I'd have difficulty calling just missing a few turns being anything but cosmetic.
09-11-2018 13:04:32 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Also, people dying on that mission wouldn't have lost it, we had way too many immortal vets to lose.
09-11-2018 13:05:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well, you were seal clubbing, but a loss still might have caused issues.
09-11-2018 13:05:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: even if it wasn't going to happen.
09-11-2018 13:05:38 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Yes, but a loss wasn't really possible.  Miyamoto accidentally chopped a skyscraper in half.  And he wasn't even trying.
09-11-2018 13:05:48 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: He could've chopped a city in half.
09-11-2018 13:06:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Eh, indistinguishable from any newbie with a 5 token amp.
09-11-2018 13:06:29 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The Amp Spec might've been a danger, but then the AM would've just roflstomped it if nobody else could be justified as beating it; PW outright admitted that the AS was a mistake.
09-11-2018 13:06:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: although, admittedly, they would have had to send orders to do that.
09-11-2018 13:06:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: AS suffered from enemies always going last.  Never would have gotten close.
09-11-2018 13:07:10 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: No, no newbie with a 5 token amp could have chopped a city in half.  They could have *nuked* a city, but would have also permadied in the process.
09-11-2018 13:07:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Not after the free one ups.
09-11-2018 13:07:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: but before then, sure.
09-11-2018 13:07:47 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: AS suffered from being downright invulnerable to anything but 5s on space magic, and then still being highly resilient.  It was impossible to shoot it.
09-11-2018 13:08:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That sounds tough.  Who did it permakill?
09-11-2018 13:08:43 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Grate, actually.
09-11-2018 13:08:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Grate permakilled himself, though.
09-11-2018 13:09:11 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: But yeah, Piecewise felt that it was too powerful, so he had Jim go DBZ before it could really fight.
09-11-2018 13:09:24 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: This was his first permadeath.
09-11-2018 13:09:36 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: He gained quantum immortality after that.
09-11-2018 13:09:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Ahh, ok.
09-11-2018 13:09:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That doesn't count as a permadeath then.
09-11-2018 13:10:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: You know my rule about that... it's not a permadeath if you send in orders afterwards.
09-11-2018 13:10:39 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: And PW also outright admitted that it was entirely stupid for the AS to behave as it did, and that it was only fighting directly because that was "fair".  He pointed out that if he played it correctly, it would just randomly permakill people with no save, but that he couldn't do that because he felt it was too rough.
09-11-2018 13:11:23 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It was a permadeath because he only revoked it later, as a spur of the moment joke.
09-11-2018 13:11:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well, same applied for everyone, really.
09-11-2018 13:11:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: 'revoked it later'.  So it didn't stick?
09-11-2018 13:11:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Something that gets revoked later isn't really permanent.
09-11-2018 13:12:24 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: here's a thing, though.  Saint died in the first round of the boarding mission, and didn't get to affect ANYTHING on the boarding mission.  At all.  It was a fairly short mission, but it wasn't a cosmetic death.
09-11-2018 13:12:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: No reason Steve couldn't have just conquered the galaxy without player input, for that matter.
09-11-2018 13:13:21 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: And during the boarding mission, we had a ship with three people on it permadie.  One of them was May, who was a well-liked character.  The other two were entirely forgettable, but also permadied.  Not cosmetic.
09-11-2018 13:13:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Dunno.  A few turns out is pretty cosmetic for death.
09-11-2018 13:13:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah, those were actual deaths.
09-11-2018 13:14:10 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: "You don't get to play the game for the next month and a half" is never cosmetic, Dev.
09-11-2018 13:14:44 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Would you say that if I delay PS for an entire month again that it's just cosmetic, and nobody would care?
09-11-2018 13:14:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Should I care?  You do that all the time..
09-11-2018 13:15:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I don't want to start holding grudges over a month and a half.
09-11-2018 13:15:42 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I'd like to think that people enjoy it more when it actually updates.  Maybe I'm wrong though, you'd know better than me.
09-11-2018 13:16:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I do enjoy it more, but there's no point in getting mad over a delay that short.  They happen.
09-11-2018 13:17:02 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Point is, it actually matters and affects things somewhat.  It's not just cosmetic--meaningless beyond personal taste.
09-11-2018 13:17:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That might mean more if I thought people sending in orders actually affected things.
09-11-2018 13:19:16 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It affects flavortext, and the personal story of their character.  In 888th, we were all pretty much bound to win every mission.  Simon stealing a tank didn't really change that.  But, I enjoyed it, because it was more flavorful than Simon just following long and shooting a couple dudes.
09-11-2018 13:19:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah.  And I'm not in 888th.
09-11-2018 13:19:59 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I would've been annoyed and enjoyed it much less if Simon wasn't allowed to take any action at all, even if that wouldn't have affected the outcome of the mission.
09-11-2018 13:20:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: for, among others, that very reason.
09-11-2018 13:20:39 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Same applies to ER.
09-11-2018 13:21:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Which I never should have played.
09-11-2018 13:21:25 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It doesn't apply to the RWBY academy game, where you a) Cannot deviate from the plan and steal a tank, and b) cannot be knocked out and fail to participate in the mission.
09-11-2018 13:21:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well, that's what the GM thought to be the case..
09-11-2018 13:22:54 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: In 888th, you can deviate and have fun flavor, and you can die and not get to play because of it.  The mission will be won, regardless, but the adventure before that can be different, or dead.  In RWBY academy, it's bound to the same thing from the start, and you don't get to change it at all, even in minor ways.  At least from what you've said.
09-11-2018 13:23:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That was the GM's idea, syv.
09-11-2018 13:23:24 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Point being?
09-11-2018 13:23:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I have bent it, quite noticably, twice already.
09-11-2018 13:23:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Never ever would have had a chance like that in ER, and possibly 888th.
09-11-2018 13:24:00 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: So Xan didn't bend the rules of ER at all?
09-11-2018 13:24:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Xan didn't bend ER one bit.
09-11-2018 13:24:15 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: How so?
09-11-2018 13:24:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: He played with the rules, but didn't change things in the least.
09-11-2018 13:24:36 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Are you changing things in AVA at all?
09-11-2018 13:24:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yes.
09-11-2018 13:24:44 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: How?
09-11-2018 13:24:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I've done so noticeably twice.
09-11-2018 13:25:00 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Are you making people fail things the GM meant to be gauranteed?
09-11-2018 13:25:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yes, actually.  Twice.
09-11-2018 13:25:54 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: What things did they fail?
09-11-2018 13:28:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: First one I set large amount of stuff on fire, forcing the GM to properly implement security in some insecure areas, and second one I forced a super-powerful GMPC to botch a sense check during her infallable introduction.
09-11-2018 13:29:25 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: So you increased security in the base that's infalliably secure by GM fiat, and you embarrassed an NPC that's an embarrassment to themselves just by existing.  Dear me, I am so impressed with your place in that world.
09-11-2018 13:30:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It's more the opposite, syv.  The players are supposed to be able to get away with doing anything on the base, for sophomoric stunts, pranks, and bullying.
09-11-2018 13:31:26 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: And now they can still get away with all those stunts, it's just that the flavor says it's harder to do so, even though it isn't actually.
09-11-2018 13:31:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Maybe.  But if that happens I'll keep it up.
09-11-2018 13:32:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Second one was pretty much exactly 'thing that was supposed to succeed, fails.'
09-11-2018 13:32:54 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: And it won't matter at all, it'll just be you having fun by cosmetically affecting a world that's on a railroad track which you'll never derail it from.
09-11-2018 13:33:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Perhaps.  But there hasn't been that many turns.  I'm pretty sure I'll have my chances.
09-11-2018 13:33:46 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: By that logic, Steve was stopped from conquering the UWM, because the capital planet was accidentally destroyed with all but one of its occupants.
09-11-2018 13:34:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That's actually a reasonable statement.
09-11-2018 13:34:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: he was stopped from conquering it.
09-11-2018 13:34:52 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: ...Huh, it's never struck me before, but suddenly I recall that it's really quite ironic for ER to have had the main plot derailed by what amounts to a galaxy-wide manip overload.  How appropriate for the HMRC.
09-11-2018 13:35:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Or, more accuractly, because someone pushed a button.
09-11-2018 13:35:20 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Oh, so players actually affected the world of ER, by their own actions?
09-11-2018 13:35:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well.. no, not really.
09-11-2018 13:35:52 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Piecewise specifically said that he was surprised by that result, and that it was entirely caused by players doing stupid things.
09-11-2018 13:36:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: so was it deliberate?
09-11-2018 13:36:53 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It was a deliberate action on the part of Morul, yes.  Kisame was the player, IIRD.
09-11-2018 13:36:58 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: *IIRC
09-11-2018 13:37:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Were the results deliberate?
09-11-2018 13:37:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Did any planning go into it?
09-11-2018 13:37:28 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: How does that matter?
09-11-2018 13:37:59 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It's the difference between being in a world where your actions can shape it, or a world where things happen to the players.
09-11-2018 13:38:27 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I fail to see how the world being affected by one's mistakes isn't a world where one's actions shape it.
09-11-2018 13:39:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: If it can only be affected by randomness, then it's a world where stuff just happens.
09-11-2018 13:40:45 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It's a game determined by dice, with incomplete information no less.  Of course it's largely shaped by randomness.  So is the real world.
09-11-2018 13:40:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: You do have a fair point, thnough, I haven't changed the end result of AVA yet.
09-11-2018 13:42:24 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: By the same logic, puzzles are games of chance, because you can't affect their state unless you're lucky enough to think of the solution.  Even if you're by some metric smarter and more likely to come up with the solution, that intelligence is sourced from luck; genetic predisposition, upbringing, and environment.
09-11-2018 13:43:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Puzzles are predictable, though.
09-11-2018 13:43:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Move B in State A leads to Result C.
09-11-2018 13:43:16 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Only id they're intuitive to your sense of logic.
09-11-2018 13:43:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Nah, doesn't matter if you don't understand it.  Someone randomly shuffling around a rubic's cube doesn't prevent someone else from solving that same cube.
09-11-2018 13:44:01 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The situation Morul found himself in had two choices, one of which was intuitively terrible to me, but which he took, and which resulted in bad things of a similsr nature to what I expected--though on a grander scale.
09-11-2018 13:44:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Good result, surely.
09-11-2018 13:44:47 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: He made a choice, which if he'd been cleverer, would've clearly resulted in what it resulted in.  Therefore he had the agency to affect the world.
09-11-2018 13:45:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: So he was deliberately offered that choice?
09-11-2018 13:46:01 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: He could have also made the choice to not affect the world, or could have realized the world would be affected, and chosen to make that choice *because* of that fact.  Though he'd've had to have been you to do that.
09-11-2018 13:46:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It's me, I'd have found a third thing nobody saw.
09-11-2018 13:46:34 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: ...Yes.  Your use of "deliberately" puts me off, but yes, he clearly had a choice.
09-11-2018 13:46:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: ..then maybe it was just more rails.
09-11-2018 13:47:07 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: No, you'd probably have failed and affected nothing.  We're talking about ER, remember.
09-11-2018 13:47:39 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The rails wouldn't inevitably result in what they did result in, though.
09-11-2018 13:47:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I don't know.  Seems like what happened was inevitable, it was only a matter of timing.
09-11-2018 13:48:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Now or later.
09-11-2018 13:48:20 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Seems that way, but only because you're a goblin who can't imagine being wrong.
09-11-2018 13:48:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Do you mean twinning the lurker or the inevitable infection of space magic with lurker?
09-11-2018 13:49:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Because the first was probably truly unexpected but did little.  The second was inevitable, but only a matter of timing.
09-11-2018 13:49:14 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Neither.  The accidental infection of space magic by the lurker.
09-11-2018 13:49:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah.  I propose that would have happened inevitably.
09-11-2018 13:49:40 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The twinning was hilarious, but was the fault of... Nunzillor?  Or maybe someone else?  I think it was Nun.
09-11-2018 13:49:49 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: And I disagree, Dev.
09-11-2018 13:50:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Fair enough.
09-11-2018 13:50:10 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Also, I advance this argument to the natural next step and propose that you are stupid.
09-11-2018 13:50:16 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Beat THAT.
09-11-2018 13:50:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Just too much of it out there to avoid happening.
09-11-2018 13:50:35 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The Lurker was heavily localized, actually.
09-11-2018 13:50:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: While being everywhere, it was also heavily localized.
09-11-2018 13:50:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: hmm?
09-11-2018 13:51:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I thought the big threat of it was that it couldn't be fully localized.
09-11-2018 13:51:54 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It was only everywhere after it possessed Morul and, by extension, his Origin-fueled Amp, which was intrinsicially tied to Origin, the soul of the local reality.
09-11-2018 13:52:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: So why was it such a threat before that, then?
09-11-2018 13:52:54 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The Lurker was an external entity to the universe, and was incomprehensibly vast like any good eldritch god, but in ER's local reality was contained within a small town-sized cyst.  Until it infected Morul, and then Origin.
09-11-2018 13:53:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Good job on sending you guys there, then.
09-11-2018 13:53:21 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It literally wasn't a threat.  Nik wanted to stick his dick in something occult, and begged Piecewise to give him such a mission.
09-11-2018 13:53:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: If it wasn't a threat, then why the hell did Steve need to enslave the universe?
09-11-2018 13:54:15 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Hilariously, the only reason Morul dove into the lurker and got possessed was because Nik decided to dive in first, and Morul wanted to sacrifice himself to save his idiotic commander.  Who, as it happens, had no amp, and would not have gotten Origin infected.
09-11-2018 13:54:26 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Was he actually just a powerhungry dick like I've been portraying it?
09-11-2018 13:54:34 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I don't know?  The universe enslaving was a wholly separate thing.
09-11-2018 13:54:53 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I'm also unsure what it was, but it was still totally separate.
09-11-2018 13:55:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: It was some plan that was to make him an omnipotent god.
09-11-2018 13:55:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: So yeah, probably did everyone a favor by doing that, then.
09-11-2018 13:55:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I guess they did derail it.
09-11-2018 13:55:48 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Oh yeah, that was so he could vaporize the Altered, which had become the Eater of Stars, as the universe's most massive Ghost Ship.
09-11-2018 13:55:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah, nothing to worry about, then.
09-11-2018 13:56:14 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Infecting reality's soul with Cthulhu made that peanuts, though.
09-11-2018 13:56:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: eh.
09-11-2018 13:56:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: both peanuts to the risk if the mission succeeded.
09-11-2018 13:57:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: God, at least people who died before the reality switch get to remain free in this ending.
09-11-2018 13:57:25 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: "We didn't affect the story or universe at all!  We just changed the story from one about a benevolent dictator god ruling over trillions of humans on millions of planets, to one about a benevolent dictator AI ruling over millions of humans on a handful of planets!"
09-11-2018 13:57:43 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: "Totally the same thing."
09-11-2018 13:57:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: well, minus benevolent, trillions, and millions.
09-11-2018 13:58:21 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Yeah, fair point, we didn't manage to save millions in the end.  So it would've only been thousands.
09-11-2018 13:58:32 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I'm totally correct on the other two, though.
09-11-2018 13:58:36 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Or would have saved trillions before starting it.
09-11-2018 13:58:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Just more slaves for the omnigod.
09-11-2018 13:59:18 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The UWM was an expy of the Imperium, so it had trillions of citizens.  And Steve was a Mary Sue, so he's automatically benevolent and good.
09-11-2018 13:59:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Eh, PW said he was evil.
09-11-2018 13:59:40 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Sure, in a reasonable reality, he wouldn't have been benevolent, but it wasn't a reasonable reality.
09-11-2018 13:59:48 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Oh, really?
09-11-2018 13:59:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah, we were talking about it after the fact.
09-11-2018 13:59:58 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Weird that you'd admit something like that.
09-11-2018 14:00:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: both he and the doc were evil.
09-11-2018 14:00:07 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Huh.
09-11-2018 14:00:21 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The plot was better than I expected.  Why are you unhappy, again?
09-11-2018 14:00:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Dunno if he intended that or just said it so I wouldn't argue.
09-11-2018 14:00:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Because the game didn't have room for me.
09-11-2018 14:00:34 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: ...Probably the latter, honestly.
09-11-2018 14:00:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah.  The part I can't get around is that if they were good, why did they choose the most evil method of doing everything?
09-11-2018 14:01:19 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Mary.  Sues.
09-11-2018 14:01:51 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Also, eule of fun.
09-11-2018 14:01:58 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: *rule of fun
09-11-2018 14:02:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Still no room for me.
09-11-2018 14:02:36 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Recall that ER was a story evolved from an RTD about idiots in space, so everything developed later had to justify the start.
09-11-2018 14:03:07 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Yeah, yeah, all the pity for poor Devastator, He who is Too Annoying to Play.
09-11-2018 14:03:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Heh.
09-11-2018 14:03:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: But yeah, I felt I couldn't do anything.
09-11-2018 14:04:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Wasn't prepared to watch the universe descend into omniversal slavery under a diety.
09-11-2018 14:05:03 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: So I sent instructions to die trying, and failed that for various stupid reasons.
09-11-2018 14:05:17 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The funny thing is, I completely agreed with you about the nature of the story, and yet I decided to play a sociopath who was totally fine with the truth of things.
09-11-2018 14:05:47 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I signed up while the mission was running that changed the plot.
09-11-2018 14:06:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Would have been fine had the twist not been coming..
09-11-2018 14:06:13 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: So did I, actually.
09-11-2018 14:06:32 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Or... wait, which one are you saying changed the plot?
09-11-2018 14:06:54 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I just know we joined very close to each other.
09-11-2018 14:06:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: "Hey, welcome brothers.  Guess what?  You're now all guilty of genociding a planet.  Welcome to the rebellion!  The next mission is an armed landing where we take over a factory world by force.  Don't back out now!
09-11-2018 14:07:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I joined a week after the desert planet started.
09-11-2018 14:07:30 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Ah, okay, I was one mission behind you then.  I joined just as the liberation was wrapping up.
09-11-2018 14:07:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: 'liberation', yes.
09-11-2018 14:07:43 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: :)
09-11-2018 14:07:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That word isn't right.
09-11-2018 14:08:00 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It totally is right.
09-11-2018 14:08:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Conquest, yeah.
09-11-2018 14:08:10 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: but not liberation.
09-11-2018 14:08:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: The planet was never returned to a former owner.
09-11-2018 14:09:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: At the very least, you need to have some place conquered twice for it to be a liberation.
09-11-2018 14:09:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: If it's just conquered once, then it's conquest.
09-11-2018 14:09:46 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Third dictionary definition of "Liberation": 3 : to take or take over illegally or unjustly
09-11-2018 14:09:57 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Who added that one?
09-11-2018 14:10:09 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That's not what the word means at all.
09-11-2018 14:10:25 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Merriam-Webster. "Since 1828!"
09-11-2018 14:10:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well, there's probably been people lying about liberating something since 1828.
09-11-2018 14:11:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: but if you're allowed to lie about something to make the word mean the opposite, we're doomed.
09-11-2018 14:11:14 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: To be fair, it's actually the third definition of "Liberate", but close enough.
09-11-2018 14:11:41 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I mean that IS how words have been used since they were invented.
09-11-2018 14:12:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: If the first definition is the antonym of the third definition..
09-11-2018 14:12:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Then the word doesn't mean both.
09-11-2018 14:12:28 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: The moment someone realized that they could say something opposite of the truth to get a beneficial response, lying was born, and you can't convince me that such a realization came long after language.
09-11-2018 14:12:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Lying predates language.
09-11-2018 14:12:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Chimps can lie.
09-11-2018 14:13:26 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Bam, therefore this meaning is even more true to human nature than the "true" meaning you're arguing for.
09-11-2018 14:13:38 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Lying is clearly more natural than telling the truth using language.
09-11-2018 14:13:47 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Prove me wrong.
09-11-2018 14:13:56 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Also: "1 : to set at liberty : free specifically : to free (something, such as a country) from domination by a foreign power"
09-11-2018 14:14:19 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Which is also totally correct here, since we freed Heph from a foreign power, namely the UWM.
09-11-2018 14:14:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: The UWM wasn't foreign, it settled Heph.
09-11-2018 14:15:26 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: "Foreign : 2 : born in, belonging to, or characteristic of some place or country other than the one under consideration "
09-11-2018 14:15:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah.  There wasn't anyone or anything on Heph outside of the UWM, unless you glassed the place.
09-11-2018 14:15:52 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Virtually all the workers on Heph were indebts who were shipped there from other places.
09-11-2018 14:15:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I mean, if you want to call genocide freeing the planet of UWM occupation..
09-11-2018 14:16:09 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I'm certain those who ruled Heph weren't born there, either.
09-11-2018 14:16:21 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: We also didn't genocide the workers, so there's that.
09-11-2018 14:16:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I think you added 'indebts' there.  There were people shipped there, but no evidence they were indebts.
09-11-2018 14:16:31 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: We didn't kill all of them, either.
09-11-2018 14:16:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: You got most of them.
09-11-2018 14:16:40 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It was specifically stated!
09-11-2018 14:16:48 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Then Grate got the vast majority of those left.
09-11-2018 14:16:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: And then you enslaved the remainder.
09-11-2018 14:17:08 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Most all of Heph's workforce were indentured servants who had to work there for some years to pay for transport off the planet.
09-11-2018 14:17:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: And under steve they were...?
09-11-2018 14:17:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: The same but not paid and incapable of leaving?
09-11-2018 14:17:59 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Grate only got a few of the ones near the Sword, there were many others across the planet.
09-11-2018 14:18:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Grate got a lot of them, and the planet was nearly completely automated.
09-11-2018 14:18:34 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Theyw ere the same, and the admins, who were given free reign over them, totally would have been willing to ship them off to their new homes *immediately*.
09-11-2018 14:18:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yes, if by 'homes' you mean 'more brain cells for Steve.'
09-11-2018 14:19:00 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: ...In fact, I think we may have specifically stated that we'd do that for anyone who didn't want to join.  Forgive their debts and all.
09-11-2018 14:19:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Nah, nobody got away.  You might have seen them leave, but they never checked out, so to speak.
09-11-2018 14:19:35 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: That was never explicitly stated, and likely wouldn't happen because Steve didn't actually include new people in his wetware by the time of ER.
09-11-2018 14:19:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: PW said that as well.
09-11-2018 14:19:52 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: You like to assume it because it makes for a better plot, but it wasn't true.
09-11-2018 14:20:06 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: They might have been allowed to leave after the Lurker infection, because then the war was over.
09-11-2018 14:20:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: but not before then.
09-11-2018 14:20:16 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: PW was lying to you to placate you, becuase your constant complaining about his crown achievement makes him unhappy.
09-11-2018 14:20:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Right, and PW wasn't lying to you to make you happy about his crown achievement.
09-11-2018 14:20:42 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Actually, we'd have prevented them from leaving after the lurker, because then we were the best place by far.
09-11-2018 14:20:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: So nobody got away, then.
09-11-2018 14:21:13 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: He's never chatted with me about this, I don't think, and he wouldn't make me happy either, because I prefer your interpretation.
09-11-2018 14:21:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I doubt PW lied, though, he did avoid saying something that would have made me happy.
09-11-2018 14:21:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: In fact, he said the opposite was the case.
09-11-2018 14:21:40 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I love tragic stories centering around megalomanical sociopaths who kill thousands for stupid reasons, remember
09-11-2018 14:22:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: That one he said happened, another thing he said didn't happen.
09-11-2018 14:22:19 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: And people did get away, because we shipped them off when they asked.  And then they died later because of Maurice, but hey.  That's his fault.
09-11-2018 14:22:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: 'shipped them off', yes.
09-11-2018 14:22:48 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: To their families, yes.  Which they lived short, exciting lives with.
09-11-2018 14:22:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Mr. Bones Wild Ride.
09-11-2018 14:22:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: The ride never ends.
09-11-2018 14:23:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Nah, you get on the ship, you get eaten, the PCs feel like they freed some people.
09-11-2018 14:23:12 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Sure it ends.  It ends when they get to their new homes.
09-11-2018 14:23:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: You want to hear what PW said didn't happen?
09-11-2018 14:23:25 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: That's what you think.  But you're wrong.
09-11-2018 14:23:33 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Not particularly, no.
09-11-2018 14:23:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Aww.
09-11-2018 14:23:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: He said the Doc didn't infect all the extrauniversal evacuees.
09-11-2018 14:23:59 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: You're wrong no matter what he said, because he lied, if him having lied is convenient to me.
09-11-2018 14:24:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Love that bias.
09-11-2018 14:24:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: but nah, there was no escape until the epilogue.
09-11-2018 14:24:22 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Hey, it's 100% fair.
09-11-2018 14:24:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: I think PW said he did maybe a few hundred of them.
09-11-2018 14:25:04 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: There was no escape because the gamr hadn't died yet, and the universe was later deleted.
09-11-2018 14:25:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Yeah.  At that point there was no reason to eat people.
09-11-2018 14:25:30 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: so he didn't.
09-11-2018 14:26:12 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Well, in any case, thanks for the argument.  I feel loads better now.  And also sleepy, so I'mma get on that.  Bye.
09-11-2018 14:26:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: He only did that while it mattered, which was until the UWM was accidently nuked, but then you said you didn't let people go later.
09-11-2018 14:26:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: okay.
09-11-2018 14:26:20 -!- syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt has quit [Quit:  Definitely a psyv.]
09-11-2018 14:26:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: so nobody escaped.
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09-11-2018 20:38:31 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: I'm not reading all those logs
09-11-2018 20:38:53 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: if you ended up saying anything remotely interesting, please tell me
09-11-2018 20:44:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Not really.
09-11-2018 20:44:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: spent fifteen minutes discussing Starcrash.
09-11-2018 20:44:45 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Then syv was just dead tired but unable to find sleep.
09-11-2018 20:45:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Was trying to reach you for CULT discussions.
09-11-2018 20:51:58 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: You know, asking me for money in the form of an unbolded action was a bit strange. :P
09-11-2018 21:19:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@nvyb-6x8sv1jc2qbs3hpgngd3fnpdf.ipv8.telus.net: Well, what else?  I can't issue orders to extract money from you.
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09-11-2018 22:45:57 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ofc now all I can think about is games other than nested
09-11-2018 22:47:29 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: maybe I really should try that idea of doing a one-off RTD weekly on discord.
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09-11-2018 22:53:07 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Does anyone else find it disproporitonately upsetting that all instances of "a" are now colored in the pretty logs, due to that letter having been used as a nickname?
09-11-2018 22:53:18 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yes.
09-11-2018 22:53:31 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Yes, I do.
09-11-2018 22:53:42 -!- syv is now known as Yes
09-11-2018 22:53:50 < Yes!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Well now it's worse.
09-11-2018 22:53:54 -!- Yes is now known as No
09-11-2018 22:54:01 < No!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Yep.
09-11-2018 22:54:02 -!- ER is now known as and
09-11-2018 22:54:09 -!- No is now known as True
09-11-2018 22:54:10 -!- and is now known as it
09-11-2018 22:54:20 -!- it is now known as is
09-11-2018 22:54:21 < True!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Oh god, this was a bad idea.
09-11-2018 22:54:26 -!- is is now known as ER
09-11-2018 22:54:28 -!- True is now known as False
09-11-2018 22:54:36 < False!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Does it work if you don't say anything?
09-11-2018 22:54:40 -!- False is now known as psyv
09-11-2018 22:54:46 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: maybe?
09-11-2018 22:54:49 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: and
09-11-2018 22:55:01 < psyv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: yes no and is it true psyv
09-11-2018 22:55:05 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: yeah it works
09-11-2018 22:55:24 -!- psyv is now known as syv
09-11-2018 22:55:45 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Yes has a pretty flat color, though.
09-11-2018 22:56:07 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I don't mind the italics, in that case.
09-11-2018 22:56:22 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: the italics are mostly what I notice
09-11-2018 22:56:34 -!- ER is now known as the
09-11-2018 22:56:38 -!- the is now known as ER
09-11-2018 22:56:41 -!- syv is now known as i
09-11-2018 22:57:01 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: So, your internet still pathetic?
09-11-2018 22:57:04 -!- i is now known as syv
09-11-2018 22:57:16 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Yes.
09-11-2018 22:57:37 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I could stream Deltarune for you while at work, though.  Sunday graveyard shift.
09-11-2018 22:58:40 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ...sure, I don't *really* need to sleep that night :V
09-11-2018 22:58:59 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: It'd be a somewhat irritating stream, probably being something like 50 mins on per hour with ten minute pauses, but that's minor, yeah?
09-11-2018 22:59:31 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Heh.  I'll only stream for the first two or three hours, then.
09-11-2018 23:00:06 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: ...Maybe I should just let you play it and complain over IRC. :P
09-11-2018 23:00:42 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: If you'd prefer.
09-11-2018 23:01:03 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Sorry for being stupid and offering to stream a thing when I really should've realized that was impossible.
09-11-2018 23:01:35 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: you don't need to appogize for being stupid~
09-11-2018 23:02:45 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: We're all stupid sometimes, right?
09-11-2018 23:04:08 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Well, yes, but my narcissism hates to admit it.
09-11-2018 23:05:22 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: Well, hit your narcissism with a heavy stick occasionally because not admitting it is how you end up being an actual idiot, like the president.
09-11-2018 23:05:44 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Heh.
09-11-2018 23:06:23 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: And yet, other people have told me it's idiotic to hit yourself with a heavy stick.  Kinda getting conflicting signals, here. ;P
09-11-2018 23:07:10 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: You need to swing the stick at yourself and then dodge.
09-11-2018 23:11:21 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: this is surprisingly difficult
09-11-2018 23:32:02 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: So what is Alice doing for the rest of the 888th mission?  Just gonna fly away and leave the mission?  Or is she gonna stay in the plane until she can HALO onto a train?
09-11-2018 23:32:34 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: eh, we'll see.
09-11-2018 23:32:55 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: I think it might be for the best if she kamikaze'd it into an enemy Nazi tank, jumping out at the last moment to land on the other and hijack it, but that's just me.
09-11-2018 23:33:35 < ER!ER@63-39-173-041.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com: what's that? 1/6 chances of not dying for trying that?
09-11-2018 23:34:49 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: No, no, there would be a lot more rolls.  a 2/6 for plane death, probably a 2/6 or 3/6 for escaping in time, and then a pair of 5/6 for the tank hijacking.
09-11-2018 23:35:55 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Calculator says you have just under 1% chance of success.
09-11-2018 23:37:43 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: You've got a solid 33% chance of just taking out a tank and surviving, though!  And think of the GLORY!
09-11-2018 23:38:03 < syv!syvarris@2600:380:9479:knux:juit:wnrw:qpzh:iqt: Plus if Alice dies, you can play Bridgette the melee master instead.