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13-07-2018 03:26:27 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: 'sup?
13-07-2018 03:26:40 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: who knows!
13-07-2018 03:27:24 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: heh, presumably the sky could be considered up
13-07-2018 03:27:38 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: but there's sky in every direction
13-07-2018 03:29:00 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: hmm, I don't have a witty counter to that.
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13-07-2018 03:44:43 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Holy schist, a MidJag!
13-07-2018 03:45:06 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: indeed, like the turn of the tides I have returned
13-07-2018 03:46:13 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: If the ice caps melt, will you be around more often?
13-07-2018 03:46:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: hey there m80
13-07-2018 03:47:16 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Since my house will likelly be underwater yes.
13-07-2018 03:47:16 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Ahoy there!
13-07-2018 03:47:33 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: ...Hmm, you too?
13-07-2018 03:47:45 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: We should set up a club, then.
13-07-2018 03:47:50 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: haha, I have the high ground
13-07-2018 03:47:55 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: No landlubbers allowed.
13-07-2018 03:47:58 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: and am underestimating your power
13-07-2018 03:48:26 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: And as always I have wierd german/finish/generic eastern european music for everyone.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRg_8NNPTD8
13-07-2018 03:48:33 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: This ones in an another language
13-07-2018 03:48:37 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Everyone ALWAYS underestimates the sighs!
13-07-2018 03:49:53 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: anyway, I'll repost this because musing in IRC probably has a higher success rate than musing in discord
13-07-2018 03:49:53 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: [11:43 PM] ER: idea for a very silly RTD system
13-07-2018 03:49:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: [11:44 PM] ER: any test is just 1d6, and you have stats/skills that give you a flat bonus to that roll.
13-07-2018 03:49:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: [11:45 PM] ER: but if you roll above 6, you add 1 "absurdity" to the end result, and roll again at one lower skill level.
13-07-2018 03:49:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: [11:45 PM] ER: repeat until you get a result between 1-6
13-07-2018 03:49:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: [11:46 PM] ER: as you become more powerful, you're less likely to fuck up, more likely to do something crazy, and if you DO fuck up, it'll be wonderfully over the top
13-07-2018 03:50:18 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Sounds intresting
13-07-2018 03:50:26 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Sounds like it needs automation/
13-07-2018 03:51:04 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: not really *needs*, it's at most as many d6 rolls as you have bonus
13-07-2018 03:51:30 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: which should probably not go past +6 for sanity's sake
13-07-2018 03:51:31 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: More than P&P. ;P
13-07-2018 03:51:53 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Also reminder, both of you should update your games. :P
13-07-2018 03:52:04 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: quite possibly less than denature/that ocean test we did on IRC
13-07-2018 03:52:18 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Actually, now it's "syv should update both of your games"
13-07-2018 03:52:19 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: no, syv should update both our games
13-07-2018 03:52:40 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: I took over P&P.  And basically nobody's posted, so it's still dead anyway.
13-07-2018 03:52:53 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: ah
13-07-2018 03:53:21 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: This video is very strange, MJ.
13-07-2018 03:53:30 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: And did you ever get RwR working?
13-07-2018 03:54:40 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: No, essentially nothing I've tried this week has worked. That includes my most of my essay, my assay and my general sanity as a result of both of those :P
13-07-2018 03:55:09 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: yay sanity
13-07-2018 03:55:16 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: nobody needs that shit anyways
13-07-2018 03:55:28 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: gets in the way of letting chaos reign
13-07-2018 03:55:38 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: It's nice to have anyway though.
13-07-2018 03:57:17 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Er has a point.
13-07-2018 03:59:31 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Howrs the song syv?
13-07-2018 04:00:20 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Just about done.  Very weird; I was originally going to link Carameldansen when you said "weird eastern european music", but no, this is way weirder.
13-07-2018 04:00:44 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: It kinda reminds me of unreal world
13-07-2018 04:01:08 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Yeah, seems to be going for a very primal nature tone.
13-07-2018 04:01:49 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: I have no idea if any of the costumes are at all accurate. though I proabably should know/can find out.
13-07-2018 04:02:18 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: They seem rather overdone and silly, and also the background people barely have anything.
13-07-2018 04:02:49 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Think the one guy was wearing glasses, just looked like one of the Beatles sitting in tne background.
13-07-2018 04:03:04 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: heh, I didn't look at much of the video just listened.
13-07-2018 04:03:09 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: So I couldn't sya
13-07-2018 04:11:39 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Also, this is neat https://imgur.com/gallery/h3RUGpP
13-07-2018 04:15:01 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Well that's... surreal.
13-07-2018 04:15:03 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: "what happens when they open the door?"
13-07-2018 04:15:23 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: "Yes, those are receivers."  "What?  I don't see any gun parts!"
13-07-2018 04:17:10 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Not sure whether that tagline's neat or unwieldy, myself.
13-07-2018 04:17:52 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: well, I like it, but I also only felt like quoting the second half <.<
13-07-2018 04:18:12 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: but the second half doesn't mean as much without the first so eh
13-07-2018 04:18:17 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: works, I suppose
13-07-2018 04:19:18 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Isn't refine a setting where the door's been flung open and the house set on fire already?
13-07-2018 04:19:46 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: hmm
13-07-2018 04:20:31 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: what?
13-07-2018 04:20:40 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Refine!
13-07-2018 04:20:45 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: ER, explain Refine!
13-07-2018 04:20:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: I'd say it's more like a darksouls style "only embers remain" and the things from beyond are there but they really don't want to bother when everything's dying around
13-07-2018 04:22:43 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: I do plan on finding a lone cutebae in the desert who was left behind by the others, and in its time on earth has "learned the meaning of friendship" and thus became even more of a terrifying eldritch beast
13-07-2018 04:23:18 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Oh, that's perfect.
13-07-2018 04:23:43 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: It did say that in the Cuubae race, emotions were a mental disorder~
13-07-2018 04:23:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: did it? huh
13-07-2018 04:24:17 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: I thought they were more of an unknown anomaly
13-07-2018 04:24:21 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Yeah, when explaining to Pink about how things work.
13-07-2018 04:24:25 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: You can tottally have a mentally ill dickcatbunny thing
13-07-2018 04:24:57 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: It basically said they were a species of sociopaths with sufficiently advanced technology.
13-07-2018 04:25:30 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: I'm interpriting that as them being essentially eusocial
13-07-2018 04:26:08 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: like, all of the different cutebae bodies work together and share the same knowledge, but they don't care when one of them dies
13-07-2018 04:27:14 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: That would work.  When one develops individuality and emotions, it becomes separate, which is akin to a mental disorder.
13-07-2018 04:27:46 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Like a bee
13-07-2018 04:28:09 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: With less knife fighting over the indivuality
13-07-2018 04:29:25 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Hmm, I'm now imagining a society where literally every possible disupute is solved by duels of varying lethality and danger
13-07-2018 04:30:08 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Survival strategy: Carry around several card games.
13-07-2018 04:30:18 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: heh
13-07-2018 04:30:34 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Carry around two laptops and duel people in Dark Souls.
13-07-2018 04:30:37 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: ...
13-07-2018 04:31:19 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: I challenege you to a duel, five mintues later after a best two out of three game of dark souls, fine you, you can have my parking space for the day.
13-07-2018 04:31:26 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: oh yeah, I also had a rough idea how to implement dark souls ish combat in a card game using a standard deck of playing cards, because drawing cards myself would be hard :P
13-07-2018 04:31:41 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: My interest!
13-07-2018 04:31:50 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: It is at peak pique!
13-07-2018 04:31:54 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Add some fleshhorror! :P
13-07-2018 04:31:56 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Tell me more!
13-07-2018 04:32:01 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: spade is light attack, club is heavy attack, heart is block, diamond is parry
13-07-2018 04:32:42 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: spade, the attack takes as many "frames" as are on the card, at the end of which you deal that much damage
13-07-2018 04:33:02 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: club is the same, but 50% more damage and 3 frames end lag after hitting
13-07-2018 04:33:49 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: heart holds up your guard till you get hit, and reduces the damage you take by the card's number
13-07-2018 04:35:20 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: diamond takes as many frames as the number on the card, if you get hit within 2 frames of the parry's end, you take half damage and deal damage equal to the parry. if you get hit exactly at the end of the parry, your opponant is stunned and you've basically won.
13-07-2018 04:35:59 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: jack, queen, and king don't act like 11, 12, and 13. Rather they do special things determined by your weapon.
13-07-2018 04:36:22 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: So... whoever gets more high cards wins, pretty much?
13-07-2018 04:37:13 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: uh
13-07-2018 04:37:18 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: maybe?
13-07-2018 04:37:38 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Hmm.
13-07-2018 04:37:57 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: what about Ace?
13-07-2018 04:38:27 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: you draw a hand of 5 cards at the start of your turn, then select as many as you want in some order, and it's executed at the same time as the opponant.
13-07-2018 04:38:35 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: Ace is just 1.
13-07-2018 04:38:55 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: ah.
13-07-2018 04:38:55 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: I figure there's use enough to hitting the other guy instantly
13-07-2018 04:41:14 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: Say there's ten frames per round, so every round you can only play a set that adds up to ten at most.  Strong attacks deal double damage but count against your frames next round.  Blocks negate the first attack that overlaps with them.  Parries, if active at attack completion, make the other person discard their hand.
13-07-2018 04:41:30 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: And parries negate damage ofc.
13-07-2018 04:42:44 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: ...Hnm, no, strong attacks are flipped over, and count as three frames next round regardless of size.  That's trackable.
13-07-2018 04:44:21 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: How much health do you get?
13-07-2018 04:45:07 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: like... 20?
13-07-2018 04:45:31 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: Joker should probably do something too but I don't have that at hand
13-07-2018 04:46:03 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: like a feint that removes one of the opponant's moves?
13-07-2018 04:46:35 < syv!syvarris@2001:5b0:2a6c:jsuk:ygos:prjj:ktju:yutk: "Unlock and sprint backward; all cards played this round have no effect?"  Hehehe.  That'd be OP though.
13-07-2018 04:48:09 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: also, because this is probably just a system in a wider game, there's stuff I haven't explained. Like, between turns you back off from each other and can use items and such.
13-07-2018 04:49:12 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: healing, shooting at the enemy for a bit of damage, resting, pushing forwards for an advantage at the cost of no stamina regen
13-07-2018 04:50:08 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: all of this is, of *course*, just the melee system for a tactical gun combat game :V
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13-07-2018 04:51:24 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: just need to close with an enemy and then the fight music starts and you throw cards at each other for 1 time unit while everyone outside the fight goes into slow motion, reletive to you
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13-07-2018 04:51:48 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: https://parisbre56.com:9992/cgi-bin/cgitest.pl?date=1531440000
13-07-2018 04:52:12 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Hah.  Don't make me waste time on CQB RTD round 7 or whatever, please.
13-07-2018 04:52:21 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: kek
13-07-2018 04:52:33 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: also tactical stealth, and fultoning fools
13-07-2018 04:53:33 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: because when I say "dark souls like combat" what I really mean is that I'm STILL musing on RTDMGTSDSTCG
13-07-2018 04:54:41 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: roll to dodge metal gear tactical stealth dark souls trading card game
13-07-2018 04:55:28 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: it's the perfect game, despite being impossibly convoluted and unplayible! :V
13-07-2018 04:55:40 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: perfect. game.
13-07-2018 04:57:06 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: base building, research, tile based stealth, fultons, room breaching, rapid melee, tweaking combat styles
13-07-2018 04:57:35 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: missions for money, NPC subordainates
13-07-2018 04:57:53 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: The everything game.
13-07-2018 04:57:55 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: silly code names
13-07-2018 04:58:24 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: oh yeah, and waitlisters playing as superpowered minibosses! :V
13-07-2018 05:18:07 < * syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net wants to make a random gun generator
13-07-2018 05:18:24 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: like borderlands?
13-07-2018 05:18:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Sort of.
13-07-2018 05:18:40 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: It's for the mech game
13-07-2018 05:19:46 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: syv, thoughts on this https://www.keiththompsonart.com/pages/arms.html
13-07-2018 05:19:57 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: The game that was actually going to have the Borderlands gun company system was always going to use a pre-made armory.
13-07-2018 05:20:16 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I've given them before. :P
13-07-2018 05:21:01 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: He apparently likes the design of the AK, and random bits from other neato guns, and jammed them together chaotically without any mind paid to how poorly that'd work.
13-07-2018 05:21:41 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: that was basically the inspiration for one of the rifles in P&P, which nobody ever used or saw because it's a bullet-spewer in a game about frikkin mechs :P
13-07-2018 05:21:47 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: The XM8 was a similar idea, one gun that could be easily and quickly modified to fill any role, and it performed terribly.
13-07-2018 05:22:26 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: mine works well because of space magic >_>
13-07-2018 05:22:32 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: I rember that thing, it was in a bunch of Tom clancy games
13-07-2018 05:22:46 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Nowadays the AR-15 is actually kinda like that, but it's *known* for unreliability, and any significant changes require tons more parts and time/
13-07-2018 05:23:09 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: The XM8 looks neato and futuristic, it's liked pretty much strictly for that reason.
13-07-2018 05:23:14 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: A terrible gun though.
13-07-2018 05:23:24 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: IIRC AR-15/M-16 is relativally
13-07-2018 05:23:50 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: reputation for unrealiability is realitvlly undeserved is what I was going to say
13-07-2018 05:24:22 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: I mean once they fixed the initial problem at least
13-07-2018 05:25:02 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Every AR-15 I have ever held jammed within three mags.
13-07-2018 05:25:19 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Sometimes I couldn't get thirty rounds through without a jam.
13-07-2018 05:25:20 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: ak is bae?
13-07-2018 05:26:16 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: There's a few things here--the civvie AR-15 is much less reliable than the military M16 / M4, and unreliability is often more a manner of cleaning and ammo...
13-07-2018 05:26:54 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: But it needs such a high degree of care to operate well that I consider it unreliable.
13-07-2018 05:27:51 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: For comparison, I have put over a thousand rounds through my PS90, and seen it jam once, while being rapid fired through two 50-round mags.  I barely ever clean the thing.  My SVD has never jammed, ever.
13-07-2018 05:28:36 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ...I'm ranting.
13-07-2018 05:28:42 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: 'Fair nough. What's SVD based off? Or is it just it's own design
13-07-2018 05:28:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: hitting them with a greatsword never jams!
13-07-2018 05:30:03 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Uhh.  Weeellll.  Technically the SVD is its own design, but actually I have a PSL, which is based off the RPD, itself based off the AK.  Internally it's entirely dissimilar to the SVD in every way, but cosmetically it looks very similar so I just kinda pretend... >.>
13-07-2018 05:30:33 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: nice one
13-07-2018 05:30:49 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Don't judge me, the SVD is the sexiest gun ever so of course I'd pretend the knockoff is the real thing. >.<
13-07-2018 05:31:11 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: get a real one then ;P
13-07-2018 05:31:17 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: but money
13-07-2018 05:31:20 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: heh, I still say m1911's are the coolest.
13-07-2018 05:31:22 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: moneyyyyy
13-07-2018 05:31:38 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Pistols are babies, babies are not sexy.
13-07-2018 05:31:42 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: I mean, I can't afford even one gun!
13-07-2018 05:31:47 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Also the 1911 sounds like it's broken.
13-07-2018 05:32:04 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: I'm now confused
13-07-2018 05:32:13 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: desert eagle best/worst handgun
13-07-2018 05:32:19 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Sure.
13-07-2018 05:32:29 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: 1911s rattle if you shake them.
13-07-2018 05:32:43 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Ah, yes.
13-07-2018 05:32:55 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: That makes more sense
13-07-2018 05:33:22 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: also not a revolver, so it can't be maxed out on awesomeness points
13-07-2018 05:33:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: It's very disconcerting.  I'd rather almost anything chambered in 9mm, anyway, it's just a better cartridge for most purposes.
13-07-2018 05:34:26 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: The Beretta 92 especially is *such* a dream to shoot, it is a top quality pistol.
13-07-2018 05:34:35 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: but its so coooooooool shive
13-07-2018 05:34:38 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Gaaah I need to get a FiveseveN...
13-07-2018 05:35:00 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ..."Shive"?
13-07-2018 05:35:06 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Okay, that's new.
13-07-2018 05:35:57 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: heh, I still say the more common sidearm in  MP 1961 is something chambered in .45 ACP, larger round and your fighting a lot of bigass things.
13-07-2018 05:37:03 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Man, I need to figure out the guns in that game.
13-07-2018 05:37:05 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah, but MP's a weird world.  IRL, .45 doesn't have enough of an AP advantage to matter, and the slight lethality boost is significantly less valuable than the capacity boost of 9mm.
13-07-2018 05:38:02 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Even in MP, with how many beasts have bulletproof bone plates, the .45 likely underperforms.  9mm might be better simply because it's good enough for the unarmored creatures like bags, and you have more dead bags per mags than with .45.
13-07-2018 05:38:11 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: if it aint megnetically accellerated ferrous slug, you're not doing enough damage
13-07-2018 05:38:39 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: If your bullets don't set the atmosphere on fire, you're not doing enough damage.
13-07-2018 05:40:03 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: MP would probably have some enormously overpowered revolvers.  .500 or something similarly stupid.  It'd actually be necessary for some of the creatures, and if you need to kill a big monster with a small gun, that's your best bet.
13-07-2018 05:40:54 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Sawnoffs with slugs would prolly also be popular, though they much worse range and capacity.  And concealability, for larger sawnoffs, though the S&W 500 is just fucking huge.
13-07-2018 05:41:59 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: Jhonic's guns were probably designed for killing armored beasts, and she just picked them out cause they're bigger
13-07-2018 05:42:30 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ...Yeah.
13-07-2018 05:42:37 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: big shoota
13-07-2018 05:42:41 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: God damn, dual wielding S&W 500s.  Owwwww.
13-07-2018 05:42:52 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: That
13-07-2018 05:43:21 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: 's a handgun that hurts anyone who fires it *twohanded*.  Anyone, even big meaty soldier guys.
13-07-2018 05:44:13 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: Wallcilla could handle it
13-07-2018 05:44:15 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Hmm, I guess I need to figure out what exactlly the effects of helicopters are as well.
13-07-2018 05:46:05 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: And of course Google gives me a vid of a girl firing it onehanded as the first result.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDcsW7ZEcAQ#
13-07-2018 05:46:22 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Short barrel, but still I'd be unwilling to do that.
13-07-2018 05:46:49 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: boom, shockalacka
13-07-2018 05:47:27 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Thogh look at how much her hand shakes holding it like that
13-07-2018 05:47:49 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yes.
13-07-2018 05:47:52 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: That's a decent chunk of wieght right at the edge of the lever
13-07-2018 05:48:01 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I was not kidding when I said it hurts people to fire twohanded.
13-07-2018 05:48:26 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: That has almost equivalent energy to a full-size shotgun.
13-07-2018 05:48:58 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: A bit less, out of that barrel, but come to think of it, that means there's also less mass in the gun, so... gah.
13-07-2018 05:50:10 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: I'll take five
13-07-2018 05:51:17 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: heh
13-07-2018 05:55:45 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Well goodnight
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13-07-2018 05:56:01 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: so sudden
13-07-2018 05:56:55 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: such abandon
13-07-2018 05:57:01 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: wauw
13-07-2018 06:04:20 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: So, Refine? :3
13-07-2018 06:04:40 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: Truth: Those who strive to find truth may not accept it when it's found, and those who avoid the truth will almost surely find it. Pure, powerful, but lays closest to Misery. For revelation is itself a kind of transformation. The dark soul, not unfriendly, and yet one may become lost in its depth and never return.
13-07-2018 06:05:26 < * syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net shrugs
13-07-2018 06:05:41 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Takes Purity in a much different direction than PS, but it works.
13-07-2018 06:05:46 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: craaaaaaawling iiiiiiiiin myyyyyyyy
13-07-2018 06:05:53 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Is it still a commander class?
13-07-2018 06:06:03 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: probably!
13-07-2018 06:06:03 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Nah, the crawling class is Mercy.
13-07-2018 06:06:17 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Have you thought up any powers?
13-07-2018 06:06:33 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: yes, but they're not in any neat lists at the moment
13-07-2018 06:06:50 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Mine weren't until I posted the game. :p
13-07-2018 06:07:01 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: at this exact moment, I'm watching a video in which a man rants about the difference between clips and magazines
13-07-2018 06:07:32 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Ugh, yeah.  It's unbelievable how widespread that confusion is.
13-07-2018 06:08:20 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: actually it's more about the design constraints of why you would use one over the other
13-07-2018 06:08:28 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: not language
13-07-2018 06:08:30 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Oh, really?  Huh.
13-07-2018 06:09:28 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Not sure why you'd make a video on that, it was pretty well decided mags win, years and years ago.  Especially nowadays with polymers, clips don't really have much going for them.
13-07-2018 06:09:28 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: https://youtu.be/mjuEJjzon-g
13-07-2018 06:09:53 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: well, it's a little historical :P
13-07-2018 06:09:53 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Ahhh, him.
13-07-2018 06:10:36 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah, I see now.  His stuff is mostly historical, though from what little I've watched he's a bit less about being correcy, more about just being... fascinated with history.
13-07-2018 06:10:51 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: lindy is... I don't know how right he is, but he's entertaining to watch
13-07-2018 06:11:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah.
13-07-2018 06:12:08 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Entertainment over accuracy, and he's still fairly accurate.  Though again, from what little I've watched--like three or four vids, I think.
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13-07-2018 06:16:46 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: I should be asleep, but I quite like lindy
13-07-2018 06:16:54 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Of course you would!
13-07-2018 06:17:02 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I probably got links from you at some point.
13-07-2018 06:17:08 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Probably
13-07-2018 06:17:47 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I'm more of a modern gun guy, so he's not really my type of youtuber.
13-07-2018 06:18:11 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Demo Ranch?  Now demo ranch wins no matter what he says because he shoots things with a fifty.
13-07-2018 06:18:21 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: A big, sexy, fifty.
13-07-2018 06:18:44 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Also, modern guns are neater.
13-07-2018 06:19:38 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: He's typically pretty accurate, and talks like a really good history professor, someone who just loves the concept of history,.
13-07-2018 06:19:58 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Also he has like anthropolgy stuff and ancient history stuff too, so it's excellent
13-07-2018 06:20:52 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah, he certainly loves his subject.
13-07-2018 06:21:49 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: It's just that sometimes that love and fascination seems to come at the cost of verification, he likes a concept and then goes "Hey, sure, why wouldn't this be true?" without really working on it.
13-07-2018 06:21:59 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Well he's quite accurate as long as you keep him away from discussion of British guns in WWII.
13-07-2018 06:22:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ...Heh.  A bit of a nationalist?
13-07-2018 06:23:03 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: hehehe
13-07-2018 06:23:55 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: https://youtu.be/qgfBL1hz_zw
13-07-2018 06:26:49 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: :|
13-07-2018 06:27:05 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: ;D
13-07-2018 06:27:41 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: I'm still slightly salty about that. I mean the Bren is a pretty good weapon, but like it's the fucking MG-42, which is just truelly excellent. I mean it's 7.62 shoots like hell, hits like hell, just excellent. Now if we are talking the browning vs the MG-42 then like I don't even know.
13-07-2018 06:28:18 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: moar dakka
13-07-2018 06:29:07 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Whoops, told a lie, it's 7.92.
13-07-2018 06:29:16 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: the modern version is 7.62
13-07-2018 06:29:27 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: dakkaaaaaaaaaaa
13-07-2018 06:29:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Uhm.
13-07-2018 06:30:11 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Nvm, was confused for a momemt.
13-07-2018 06:30:16 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: but yes, he does like that british stuff
13-07-2018 06:32:02 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Honestly I still just can't get over the fact that the Bren has its mag on top.
13-07-2018 06:32:35 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: The gun could be amazing otherwise and I still wouldn't be able to take it seriously.
13-07-2018 06:32:45 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: what's wrong with that
13-07-2018 06:32:59 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Well I mean I know feed issues, but it is useful for being prone.
13-07-2018 06:35:20 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: That's not where the mag goes!  That's where the sights go!
13-07-2018 06:35:37 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: but what if... the mag IS the sight!?
13-07-2018 06:35:39 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Also intresting thing about Nazis doctrine, to them the MG was the cerntral thing that youneeede to support, whereas the allies mostly had the riflemen with Semiautomatic rifles.
13-07-2018 06:35:55 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: It's like a person whose arms are on the sides of their head.  I don't care how useful it might be, it's not right.
13-07-2018 06:37:06 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: and then used their MGs in a support role, like the BAR or the Bren.
13-07-2018 06:37:12 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: @ER I think the pan mag for the Bren might have done that?  There was SOME gunnthat did, and it was a horrid horrid idea.  The sights need to be rigidly attached to the gun, preferably as close as possible to the barrel.
13-07-2018 06:37:48 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: If you put the sights on the mag, your zero changes wildly every time it's removed, if not just by the loose connection of the mag.
13-07-2018 06:38:01 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: The italians had a twin barrel machine gun with both mags on top, IIRC the sight was between the two.
13-07-2018 06:38:20 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Might have been the chaucet syv, I'll check.
13-07-2018 06:38:28 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: @MJ Yeah, IIRC german doctrine was that the MG was offensive; riflemen suppress, MG flanks.  Allies had it the other way, the *sane* way.
13-07-2018 06:39:03 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Though back then MGs weren't quite as different from main rifles as they are today.
13-07-2018 06:39:13 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: huh, coulda sworn the chauchet was top mag
13-07-2018 06:39:17 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Guess it wasn;t
13-07-2018 06:40:06 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: A BAR was essentially a worse Assult rifle IRC.
13-07-2018 06:40:32 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah, exactly.  Battle Rifle, but that's just a caliber difference.
13-07-2018 06:41:00 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I think I was thinking of the M960, which has the mag provide the rear sights.
13-07-2018 06:41:24 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: It's a Bizon, but stupid.
13-07-2018 06:43:18 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Oh, I've seen this before, it's in forgetten weapons. It looks kinda like luger with a growth defect and steroids.
13-07-2018 06:44:35 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ...Huh, I hadn't realized that the M960, P90, and Bizon were all designed within a three-year span.
13-07-2018 06:44:56 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Wonder if there was some weird reason everyone decided a high cap SMG was a great idea, right then.
13-07-2018 06:45:09 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: moar dakka
13-07-2018 06:45:34 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: I dunno, without thinking too hard a high cap SMG sounds pretty good just in general.
13-07-2018 06:46:18 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: QCW was 2005, and that's the only other purpose-designed high cap SMG to leap to mind immediately, but it was 2005.
13-07-2018 06:46:38 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Everything else I can think of is just the traditional design with extra big mags.  Extended or drum.
13-07-2018 06:46:56 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: also, wasn't the P-90 designed in competition with HK
13-07-2018 06:48:50 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: It was.  The MP7 (its INFERIOR competitor) is a very traditionally designed machine pistol, which does have a 50-round mag, but it's just a super long stick that comes out the bottom.
13-07-2018 06:49:37 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Maybe the American 180 would count, as stupid an idea as it is.  That's from the 1960s, acc to Wikipedia.
13-07-2018 06:51:03 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: "Let's just have several hundred rounds of the smallest bullet available!  They'll be too scared by all the gunfire to realize it barely hurts!"
13-07-2018 06:51:27 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Eh, can still definetlly kill you.
13-07-2018 06:51:35 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: bullets hurt
13-07-2018 06:52:03 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: It's still a .22.  If it hits your arm, that's... not really disabling you or causing even significant trauma.
13-07-2018 06:52:39 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Even if it hits an organ--which assumes you don't have even the lightest armor--it'll take awhile to kill.
13-07-2018 06:53:23 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Even headshots against unarmored people aren't reliable, .22 is known to ricochet off skulls if you hit at an angle.
13-07-2018 06:53:26 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: if you pelt them with tiny lead gravel quickly enough, they won't be able to aim at you
13-07-2018 06:53:43 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: so you can suppress them while you walk up and draw your dagger
13-07-2018 06:53:48 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: That can happen even with larger pistol calibers, but rarely.
13-07-2018 06:54:31 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: imagine dying because you shot someone in the head and the bullet bounced off their skull and into your heart
13-07-2018 06:54:34 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Though, a part of me *is* rather curious whether something like a 400-round 5.7 LMG would be practical.  It would be tjhe king of suppression, though range would certainly suffer.
13-07-2018 06:55:12 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: fuck you enemy I have ALL the dakka go away
13-07-2018 06:55:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I found an article a little while ago about a robber (I think?) shooting someone in the head, and the bullet ricocheting off and killing his partner.
13-07-2018 06:56:12 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: dammit, humans are better armored than I thought they were :P
13-07-2018 06:57:16 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah.  Like, most of your head can take a bullet without being lethal damage.
13-07-2018 06:57:50 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: We aren't great, but it's not bad, nice little cage around the really important bits for the slashing, the really important bit gets a nice little helmet and everything else can go to hell for flexibilities sake.
13-07-2018 06:57:58 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: It's actually really common for people to fuck up suicides and fail to kill themselves with shotguns and .45s and other such big guns.
13-07-2018 06:58:47 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: There's a couple little bits of the human body where even slight damage is very lethal, but really most of it is largely unnecessary for life, especially with medical attention.
13-07-2018 06:58:48 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: that's... good? I guess?
13-07-2018 06:59:26 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Well, in the suicides case it usually means they blew off their face or just ruined a non-essential portion of their brain, so not really, but still.
13-07-2018 06:59:51 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Humans are remarkably hard to kill/
13-07-2018 07:00:17 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: eh, we are also annoyinglly fragile
13-07-2018 07:00:37 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: life likes not getting broken, and has had a good chunk of time to work towards that
13-07-2018 07:01:22 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: MJ, I find it hard to think of anything that's quite as resilient and long-lasting as living organisms like people.
13-07-2018 07:01:29 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: humans are like "screw everything else, let's just run really far and have freakishly large brains", but some of that stuff is still in there I guess?
13-07-2018 07:02:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: ugh.
13-07-2018 07:02:24 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: We also pay attention the most to people suriving things and tend to use medicine a lot more on people.
13-07-2018 07:02:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: tired.
13-07-2018 07:02:47 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Hi Dev!
13-07-2018 07:02:49 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: go to bed
13-07-2018 07:02:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: humans are amazing, ER.
13-07-2018 07:03:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I just got home.  I'll go to bed after my feet stop hurting so much.
13-07-2018 07:03:15 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Oh, I'm not restricting things to humans, MJ.
13-07-2018 07:03:35 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: We're durable compared to cars, guns, computers, lots of stuff.
13-07-2018 07:03:39 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I don't think any other animal could do the work I've been doing..
13-07-2018 07:03:46 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Maybe not so durable as trees, but still.
13-07-2018 07:03:49 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Prolly not.
13-07-2018 07:04:13 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: trees are pretty great
13-07-2018 07:04:13 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: And most organisms *are* super tough compared to all that.
13-07-2018 07:04:28 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah
13-07-2018 07:04:43 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: It's the whole regeneration thing that helps.
13-07-2018 07:04:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Except the ones that live to catch fire.
13-07-2018 07:04:52 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: ants would be hard to kill if not for our ability to use massive unfair overwhelming force
13-07-2018 07:05:02 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Strictly speaking, they're even more amazingly durable.
13-07-2018 07:05:18 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Well, ants are easy to kill, there's just so damn many of them.
13-07-2018 07:05:52 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Even then, it'd relatively simple (if work intensive) to kill the queen, which is the weak spot of the colony.  I say, despite never actually trying manually.
13-07-2018 07:06:03 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: yeah, easier to kill than like spiders or beetles, because they're so gosh-darn expendable
13-07-2018 07:06:06 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: It is not simple.
13-07-2018 07:06:32 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: just use molten lead
13-07-2018 07:06:36 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Aren't they only around a foot deep?
13-07-2018 07:06:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: poison.
13-07-2018 07:06:41 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: That does make it a lot simpler
13-07-2018 07:06:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: usually more than a foot.
13-07-2018 07:07:05 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: hard to locate exactly, so you have to devestate a wide swathe
13-07-2018 07:07:20 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: and perhaps when the watertable is only a footbeneath the top soil then yes. :P
13-07-2018 07:07:36 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: even if you see the nest and have a shovel, if you hit it you're probably not hetting the RIGHT part
13-07-2018 07:07:37 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Around here the truly simple way is just to wait for a particularly rainy week, then destroy the raft, though I would never ACTUALLY try that.
13-07-2018 07:07:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Ahh.
13-07-2018 07:08:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: they dig deeper up here.
13-07-2018 07:08:07 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Same
13-07-2018 07:08:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Any suggestions for Saeko's Gryphon?
13-07-2018 07:08:25 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: UPK.
13-07-2018 07:08:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: And yes, I'm planning on spelling it differently every time.
13-07-2018 07:08:38 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Greefone.
13-07-2018 07:08:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: only one of those three things is a cat.
13-07-2018 07:08:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: and it can be one of many types of cat.
13-07-2018 07:09:28 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: My second choice was going to be a seagull/housecat.
13-07-2018 07:09:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/rY7B3
13-07-2018 07:09:42 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Iguanamouth's got you covered.
13-07-2018 07:09:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: the seagull bit so that it isn't a picky eater.
13-07-2018 07:10:12 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: PW linked that in his update.
13-07-2018 07:10:32 < MidJag!midjag@22-080-66-53.dhcp.mntv.al.charter.com: Night
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13-07-2018 07:11:16 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Seagull/Savannah?  I like savannahs.
13-07-2018 07:11:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Hmm, I wouldn't do a serval, because they don't really domesticate, but that might be more tractable.
13-07-2018 07:12:02 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: sparrow, couger
13-07-2018 07:12:15 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Sealpoint something would fit better for color matching with seagull, though.
13-07-2018 07:12:30 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Siamese I guess.  I don't like siamese.
13-07-2018 07:15:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: There are white cats that aren't siameses.
13-07-2018 07:15:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Sparrows are too flappy.  I think it might get in the way of the harness.
13-07-2018 07:15:43 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: It would probably be better at taking off, though.
13-07-2018 07:15:56 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yes, but siamese are known for it.
13-07-2018 07:16:03 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Napoleon / peacock.
13-07-2018 07:16:08 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: oh!
13-07-2018 07:16:22 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: https://youtu.be/ZerUbHmuY04
13-07-2018 07:16:38 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: gotta be some corvid eh
13-07-2018 07:16:55 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Oh, no, better!  Napoleon / frogmouth!
13-07-2018 07:17:32 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: what are both of those?
13-07-2018 07:17:37 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: do a starling
13-07-2018 07:18:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Nah, familiars are much smarter than normal animals, I don't need to pick a smart bird for it to be smart.
13-07-2018 07:18:22 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: although I can't buff the Int stat.
13-07-2018 07:18:40 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: sorry, Kno.
13-07-2018 07:19:54 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: raven griffon will start with loadsa int
13-07-2018 07:21:00 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Napoleons are persians breed to half half-length legs.
13-07-2018 07:21:12 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Frogmouths are bird which look really chibi.
13-07-2018 07:21:29 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: *have half-lengtj
13-07-2018 07:21:32 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: *length
13-07-2018 07:22:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: oh god.
13-07-2018 07:22:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: heh.
13-07-2018 07:23:13 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: That's more like the horror griffen.
13-07-2018 07:23:23 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Napoleon kittens are unspeakably adorable.
13-07-2018 07:23:38 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: The frogmouths do look horrible, though.
13-07-2018 07:23:49 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: ahh.
13-07-2018 07:24:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Well, that's an idea for the seagull thing.
13-07-2018 07:24:18 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: half giant eldricth terror raven, half bunnycat
13-07-2018 07:24:29 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I do like the hawk, though, they just seem perfectly suited.  And Cougar, because they're reasonably domesticatable, and they like to attack with their mouths.
13-07-2018 07:25:32 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Oh god, someone crossbred munchkins (half-length legs) with *sphinxes*, the skinless cats!
13-07-2018 07:25:38 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ...Hairless cats.
13-07-2018 07:25:53 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Skinless would look even more horrible, somehow.
13-07-2018 07:25:56 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: skinless, lol
13-07-2018 07:26:05 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: redtails are bae
13-07-2018 07:26:19 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: http://purrfectcatbreeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/minskin4.jpg
13-07-2018 07:26:25 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: oh god I can'r
13-07-2018 07:26:49 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: that's a cat?
13-07-2018 07:26:54 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: YES
13-07-2018 07:27:05 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I'm crying
13-07-2018 07:27:07 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: why
13-07-2018 07:27:55 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Wow.
13-07-2018 07:28:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I would never do that.
13-07-2018 07:28:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: and Saeko would never do that.
13-07-2018 07:28:21 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: ocelot redtail
13-07-2018 07:28:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I think that cat needs to murder someone for being brought into the world.
13-07-2018 07:28:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: cougar kittens are spotted..
13-07-2018 07:30:06 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: They call them "minskins"
13-07-2018 07:30:51 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/billingsgazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/df/1df6e291-49b6-58ce-8a7a-63fdf278c62f/53fbba2452b18.image.jpg
13-07-2018 07:30:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Can I murder them?
13-07-2018 07:32:36 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: http://www.localkittensforsale.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Bambino-Kitten-yawning.jpg
13-07-2018 07:32:45 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: They aren't persons so no
13-07-2018 07:33:12 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: that looks like something The Thing would make while in a particular hurry
13-07-2018 07:33:56 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Except it ACTUALLY EXISTS
13-07-2018 07:34:03 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: People own these AS PETS.
13-07-2018 07:34:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: horrible, horrible people.
13-07-2018 07:34:16 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: And probably think they're adorable.
13-07-2018 07:34:42 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: not people. disguised fleshhorrors
13-07-2018 07:35:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: lizard-people.
13-07-2018 07:35:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: closeted furries.
13-07-2018 07:36:22 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Hah, okay, okay, back to gryphons.  A manx cat would also be a good choice.  Excellent hunters, with jacked up back legs.  No tail, but they're very strong jumpers.
13-07-2018 07:36:47 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I think of all people furries would be disinterested in hairless cats, short legged or not.
13-07-2018 07:37:22 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: owl + preying mantis
13-07-2018 07:37:34 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ...I hope there's a subculture of furries who like hairless animals.  "Skinnies" or something.  That needs to exist.
13-07-2018 07:38:16 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Are praying mantises (?) cats now?
13-07-2018 07:38:28 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: probably
13-07-2018 07:38:28 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Falcon / jumping spider, if so.
13-07-2018 07:39:10 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Jumping spiders are more catlike than mantises, so they count.
13-07-2018 07:44:11 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: if there's a wolf spider, where's the tiger spider
13-07-2018 07:47:45 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scytodes_globula
13-07-2018 07:47:49 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Chile, apparently.
13-07-2018 07:48:16 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Heh.
13-07-2018 07:48:19 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: nito
13-07-2018 07:48:25 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Aren't there Tiger Crabs?
13-07-2018 07:48:33 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: throws nets, like a gladiator!
13-07-2018 07:49:40 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: There's also this: http://petslady.com/articles/meet_tiger_spider_natures_very_own_nightmare_fuel_64081
13-07-2018 07:51:23 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: obviously written by an arachnophobe, lol
13-07-2018 07:53:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I'm not sure an arachnophobe could look at the pictures long enough to write the article.
13-07-2018 07:55:50 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Somebody who doesn't appreciate spiders, then.
13-07-2018 08:00:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I'm not sure about that, too.
13-07-2018 08:01:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I think it's written by someone who appreciates spiders.
13-07-2018 08:03:01 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Pah.
13-07-2018 08:03:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: eh.
13-07-2018 08:03:15 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: BAH
13-07-2018 08:03:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Whatever the griffon ends up being, it should be satisfactory.
13-07-2018 08:03:33 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I know lizard furries are called scalies.
13-07-2018 08:07:29 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Googling it, apparently bird furries are "featheries", and "skinnies" actually *is* a term, referring to furry characters who in-universe are obsessed with humans.  Which reminds me of an xkcd strip.
13-07-2018 08:08:00 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: That's stupid.
13-07-2018 08:08:04 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: of course
13-07-2018 08:08:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Even so, that's stupid.
13-07-2018 08:08:13 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: VERY stupid
13-07-2018 08:08:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: In furry universes there's nothing of value in non-furry characters.  ;-p
13-07-2018 08:09:01 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I'm guessing it's played for humor?  Self parody...?
13-07-2018 08:09:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Who the fuck knows.
13-07-2018 08:10:00 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: https://xkcd.com/629/
13-07-2018 08:13:19 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Who the fuck knows.
13-07-2018 08:14:16 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: who the knows fuck
13-07-2018 08:14:35 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: fuck who knows.
13-07-2018 08:16:20 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Considering we're talking about furries, you may want to revise that statement.
13-07-2018 08:16:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Yeah, they's just read it as fuck fuck fuck already, so no reason to hold back.
13-07-2018 08:17:15 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ...
13-07-2018 08:17:27 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I still find it impressive how much you hate furries.
13-07-2018 08:17:30 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: fuck fuck fuck, fuck. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
13-07-2018 08:17:37 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Oh?
13-07-2018 08:17:49 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: no, you're doing it wrong
13-07-2018 08:17:58 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: it's supposed to be "fuck?"
13-07-2018 08:18:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I don't like people self-actualizing by saying they must be something else.
13-07-2018 08:19:09 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah, which is... kind've a weird and specific thing to hate.  I can understand finding it disgusting, but it's pretty innocuous?
13-07-2018 08:20:07 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: And you don't seem to hate other obsessive people who identify overmuch with things, like anime or MLP.  Both of those, least in my experience, are just as egregiously forced.
13-07-2018 08:20:09 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: dev you play roleplaying games on the internet
13-07-2018 08:20:14 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: The surest and quickest route to ineffectuality is to find something immaterial to blame for your problems.
13-07-2018 08:20:32 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: They just aren't--generally--about personal transformation, which seems an odd sticking point.
13-07-2018 08:20:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I didn't say I hate all furries, or all furry art, or etc.
13-07-2018 08:21:36 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: You didn't *say* that, but it really seems that way...?
13-07-2018 08:22:17 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I mean obviously you don't hate all furries.  By some definitions you've given, *I'm* a furry.  But the mere mention usually gets a vehement response, so.
13-07-2018 08:28:42 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: This didn't start from a discussion about furries.  It came from you finding short-legged hairless cats horrific.
13-07-2018 08:29:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I suggested that closet furries would own pets deliberately made furless, to show how much they aren't furries.
13-07-2018 08:29:34 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: That isn't that knee-jerk.
13-07-2018 08:30:50 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: As for other stuff, like obsessive Otaku, it's more that they've never come up in conversation, instead of me having no other hot buttons.
13-07-2018 08:31:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: They have, though.  I've complained about the PM3 fandom numerous times, off the top of my head.
13-07-2018 08:32:35 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Hell, I got you to *play a visual novel*--two, even--to less vehement of a response.
13-07-2018 08:32:44 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: ..my introduction to the PM3 fandom was from someone who knows very little about anime and was very much intending to hate it.
13-07-2018 08:32:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: You paid me money for that, syv.
13-07-2018 08:33:20 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Aaaand that means you wouldn't complain about it for some reason?
13-07-2018 08:33:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I'm sure there are disgusting parts of it, but with that introduction, I'm going to give the PM3 fandom a lot of leash.
13-07-2018 08:33:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: ..I'm willing to do things I don't like for money, syv.
13-07-2018 08:34:04 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: But like the entire point was to make you complain.
13-07-2018 08:34:07 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Plus that seemed fairly tame.  I don't think we even got to any of the sex scenes or such yet.
13-07-2018 08:34:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I think you gave up on that after about five minutes.
13-07-2018 08:34:32 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Which, I might add, you successfully did during the waifu bartending one... about bartending.
13-07-2018 08:34:40 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yeah, cause you barely complained.
13-07-2018 08:34:56 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: You basically just went "Yeah this is bad." and not much more.
13-07-2018 08:34:58 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I've worked too long with the public to enjoy that..
13-07-2018 08:35:04 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: sorry man.
13-07-2018 08:35:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I probably would have complained more when I got to a sex scene or something.
13-07-2018 08:35:50 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: complains more about being reminded of interacting with real people while playing a good game than about playing an actually terrible game
13-07-2018 08:36:17 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: It's a good game?
13-07-2018 08:36:18 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: There totally was a sex scene in the first one, too.  Which you definitely got past, though admittedly I tabbed away and muted it.
13-07-2018 08:36:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Didn't seem like it.
13-07-2018 08:36:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: oh.
13-07-2018 08:36:51 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Was rather annoyed that it actually annoyed ME more than you. >.<
13-07-2018 08:36:57 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: Valhalla is a good game, yes. And I'll stand by that. :P
13-07-2018 08:37:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Waifu bartending seemed entirely mundane.
13-07-2018 08:37:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Probably better than the zero-interaction VN, but it didn't have anything that appealed to me.
13-07-2018 08:37:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Other than pointing out character archetypes.
13-07-2018 08:37:49 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: IMO it still pretty well touched on the annoying aspects of anime fans, though not egregiously I'll concede/
13-07-2018 08:38:21 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Most people in real life are pretty boring.  There were some genuinely interesting customers I got to know, but those were few and far between.
13-07-2018 08:38:38 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Nobody there seemed the least bit interesting.
13-07-2018 08:38:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Oh, look, here's the whacky boss!
13-07-2018 08:39:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: What really would have gotten to me in the VN is the main character fucking the fleshhorror in a public toilet.
13-07-2018 08:40:11 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: 'Dammit, do you know how much it sucks when people do stuff like that?  It's not romantic, don't do it!'
13-07-2018 08:40:43 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: at some point I lose track of what you were talking about, but please do contenue
13-07-2018 08:40:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: but creepy murder house with underage fuck toy is too mundane for me to come up with interesting stuff about it.
13-07-2018 08:41:00 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: But see, here, bartending is a button of yours, for a logical reason.  We touch on it and you talk a lot about it.  Furries are the same, even slight mentions normallu get a fair number of words.  Anime stuff, which IMO is just as prevalent and annoying as furry stuff, barely gets mild complaint.  Despite your complaints about furries frequently matching up pretty well to anime fandoms and other obsessive groups.
13-07-2018 08:41:24 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: And there's more words of complaint than you gave while that stuff was actually going on. :(
13-07-2018 08:41:56 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: What, do you want me to mock otakus who make out with bodypillows while surrounded by figurines?
13-07-2018 08:42:05 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Yes?
13-07-2018 08:42:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I don't -have- to.  Other people do that for me.
13-07-2018 08:42:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: That's ever stopped you before...?
13-07-2018 08:42:41 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: It does, generally.
13-07-2018 08:42:54 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Nooooo?
13-07-2018 08:44:08 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Have I issued long rants about stuff other people have already done long rants about?  In that same place?
13-07-2018 08:44:48 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: No, but then there haven't been any long rants about otakus here, so.
13-07-2018 08:45:01 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Are there any otakus here?
13-07-2018 08:45:10 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Closest is me complaining about the PM3 fandom, which usually peters out.
13-07-2018 08:45:11 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: No?
13-07-2018 08:45:15 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Yeah.
13-07-2018 08:45:18 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: There are in the forum.
13-07-2018 08:45:26 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Are there furries here?
13-07-2018 08:45:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I'm sure.  Do they play forum games, while making it blatantly obvious they are otakus?
13-07-2018 08:45:33 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: I'm muting you
13-07-2018 08:45:35 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: You rant about Leng, though she's not here?
13-07-2018 08:45:44 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: YES.
13-07-2018 08:45:54 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Who?
13-07-2018 08:46:03 < * syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net blinks
13-07-2018 08:46:16 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: kj, off the top of my head?
13-07-2018 08:46:24 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Who is kj?
13-07-2018 08:46:25 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: The many many people with anime avatars?
13-07-2018 08:46:36 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: At least half of PS' players?
13-07-2018 08:46:46 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Yeah, those seem pretty otaku heavy.
13-07-2018 08:46:52 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I've complained about them before, though.
13-07-2018 08:47:02 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: to you personally.
13-07-2018 08:47:20 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: ..due to them being ineffectual..
13-07-2018 08:47:34 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: ...Which isn't really complaining about the otaku stuff.
13-07-2018 08:47:50 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: You complain about the same stuff you complain about with virtually all players in games.
13-07-2018 08:48:05 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I would have if I was aware of it.  I thought they were just being standard issue useless.
13-07-2018 08:48:12 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: I think there's a couple chars you've had issue with, but only the most egregious examples.
13-07-2018 08:48:23 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: There are three not-me characters.
13-07-2018 08:48:31 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: One in PS.
13-07-2018 08:48:53 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I'm also defending random to Oz, so random's out for now.
13-07-2018 08:48:58 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: And you don't have to share a game to complain about Leng.
13-07-2018 08:49:18 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: I think my last complaint about leng was when she blew up in a game I was playing.
13-07-2018 08:49:41 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Maybe, you have been better lately, and I haven't been keeping track.
13-07-2018 08:59:27 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net: Anyway, bath time.
13-07-2018 08:59:31 < Devastator!chatzilla@riyb-9c0hu2ht5yrd5cvbpv0snbhwm.ipv9.telus.net:  Then bed time.
13-07-2018 08:59:45 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: Night.
13-07-2018 10:01:41 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: oh yeah, I had you muted
13-07-2018 10:02:18 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: anyway, I was watching some dumb video and remembered your suggestion of a step ladder when we were playing hunt https://youtu.be/kHcx8bDloaI?t=9m37s
13-07-2018 10:12:47 < syv!syvarris@axfcll-132-148-656-251.mycingular.net: That is the specific thing which inspired my suggestion.
13-07-2018 10:13:02 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: neat
13-07-2018 11:29:32 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: hmm
13-07-2018 11:29:36 < ER!ER@33-305-828-39.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com: <3 <3 <#
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